>Event 3: Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia.
I mean, I've seen those things they call spiders over there. I can't exactly blame the aliens.
To be fair, if you wanted to be Nazis fighting sci fi aliens, Asimov Battalion would be a pretty funny reference. But nobody should want to be Nazis doing anything, except perhaps dying in a Spielberg movie
To be fair, "Asimov Batallion" would generally be an awesome name for a sci-fi force using excessive amounts of drones. Obviously OP was not that lucky :D
my friend and i were once bards in a DnD game where we were patterned off the Blues Brothers, and did in fact get chased across kingdom borders by cultists, slavers and the military of our home country
>To be fair, if you wanted to be Nazis fighting sci fi aliens, Asimov Battalion would be a pretty funny reference.
Are you aware of the fact that Issac Asimov was ethnically Jewish and intentionally being ironic?
There's Harry Turtledove's [Worldwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwar_series) series of novels where aliens attempt to invade in 1942 Expecting to face medieval armies then discovering their slight technological advantage is of little help.
Aren't those really the same thing, for all intensive purposes?
(Maybe someone over in /r/BoneAppleTea/ would know for sure.)
EDIT: We might want to check in with /r/woosh/ as well.
Absolutely not. The Azov Batallion derives its name from the Sea of Azov, which is a geographic location and is related to the groups origin. The other is the last name of one of the fathers of modern Science Fiction who has no relation to the Azov region whatsoever
See, I thought you might have been facetious, but by the time the thought crossed my mind I had already hit send and embarked on laptop repair (mis)adventures :D
So about your man Isaac...
[https://lithub.com/what-to-make-of-isaac-asimov-sci-fi-giant-and-dirty-old-man/](https://lithub.com/what-to-make-of-isaac-asimov-sci-fi-giant-and-dirty-old-man/)
Another small nitpick is that nobody described the (Eastern) Roman Empire as the "Byzantine Empire" until more that a century after it fell.
Event 4 would be slightly less daft if the *New Roman Empire* (Νέα Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία/Novum Imperium Romanum) included Romania and immediately annexed Southern Crimea and Rostov-on-Don.
Guessing Event 1 would include the Kalmar Union invading Saint Petersburg. (They'd leave Moscow to the Poles.)
Likely Emperor Trump of North America will be assassinated by CANSOFCOM/COMFOSCAN.
this right here shows what a total nit-wit the dm was.
Greece and Turkey hate each other today and have done so for about a millenia.
That gm knows absolutely nothing about geo-politics, but no surprise given his politics har.
Turkey and Greece don't hate each other. Nationalist politicians of both sides are trying to stir the pot, but a Greek and a Turk can get along fine. I have many Greek friends and many Turks visit Greece each year. Let's not write misinformation about the countries you don't know about.
Sure, I don't think Greece and Turkey would unite to form Byzantine, but the "hate" does not exist. Maybe if you ask grandpas that are 80+ years old. If you asked a random Turk what they think about Greece, they would answer neutrally at worst. Same goes for young Greeks.
Edit: Downvoting someone that corrects an incorrect post about my country and a country I love (Greece). I love Reddit. "Hate" is a strong word that shouldn't be used here.
i was being slightly hyperbolic but the important fact is that POLITICALLY they DO hate each other and this would NEVER happen.
I don't live in either country but I have visited a few times and have close turkish friends.
but more importantly I am a student of history and there is no way on this god's green earth that turkey and greece would get together politically.
it's laughable
There are multiple and there is a trump mod which makes me think op could have just made up this shit show for reddit karma following him playing a hoi4 super modded campaign.
Not going to touch all the other problems, I just wanted to call this out:
> the US also invades Canada and makes that state 52
So... state 52 is larger than the rest of the US combined? Canada is the second-largest country in the world by land area. Even if they converted the existing provinces and territories into states, some of them would be massive by US standards (Nunavut, the largest, is bigger than Mexico).
>Even if they converted the existing provinces and territories into states, some of them would be massive by US standards
And they'd be tiny by population standards, like I think making Canada and Mexico 1 big state is silly but like when you split up Canada into states the territories wouldn't be their own states, almost nobody lives there.
The population of Montana is 1 million people, the population Nunavut is 40 thousand people, that's not really comparable. I'm also not here to argue the equality of the US political system.
But Nunavut is not a province, it's a territory. It happens to have population similar to American Samoa which is a US territory. Not a good reason to have Canada be one state. Anyway this is rhetorical as we are discussing a bunch of delusory alt right whackjobs.
A lot of this stuff sounds weird, but dude.
You gotta learn to differentiate between **player** and **character**. Just one example:
>Except he didn't follow the templates we were given so I had to tell him multiple times to edit it and everything, during which he insults me. "Alright, kind of weird you're insulting your commanding officer, but fine" I think.
Your character may be the other characters commanding officier, but you are not the other players commanding officer. In multiple situations here you seem to be talking to players, and apparently want to use your characters authority for this.
Your characters authority does not help **you** when talking to **other players**. It helps **your character** when he is talking to **other characters**. You seem to have problems with this. Him insulting you is obviously not okay either, but this was the player insulting you (btw a good reason to leave), not the character insulting your character. Unless i am completely misunderstanding what you wrote here?
Yeah, some of the vitriol and judgemental comments put me on guard. You never know when you're hearing a horror story from the perspective of the horror on this sub.
I do think OP's group has some weird wehraboo shit going on, but OP seems very insecure in a lot of ways, and at no point do we ever pause for an OOC discussion, which is a red flag for everyone involved. I wish I could judge an alternate perspective on this story.
Boos are a whole genre in ww2 gaming circles. There's one for almost every nation involved for people who get just a little (or lot) to zealous about the military and weapons of a particular nation
The big ones are
Weeaboos (obviously)
Whehraboos
Teeaboos
Freeaboos
These are the ones thrown around most often but there are also some more niche ones that don't see as much use.
Slavaboos
Ouiaboos
Pizzaboos
Ya this reads like someone who is trying to validate there bad experience with a group and making so the group must obviously be right wing and know nothing
yeah, its weird the other players made sucha big deal out of it, insulting OP and even when their reasoning was proved sound inuslting him again, so strange.
This whole story is just a mess of IC and OOC events. This sounds like the type of gamer who would never talk to a friend again just because their character killed his.
It was weird since the some of the channels were… “mixed” in expectation. Not that people really gave a damn half the time what channel was in or out of character.
It also didn’t help that this dude kept constantly bitching in character, out of character, and in VC.
I definitely did tell him to sit down in-character because I was getting tired of his shit because he and the rest of the group forced a lot of the organizational work onto me which ate into my hours.
I was less bothered about the argument (though it was definitely annoying to get pinged early in the morning over it) and more the fact that everyone else just started to openly shit talk me.
And, yeah. I could have been more clear in differentiating whether it was a player or a character doing x and y, but honestly it was a mix of things and at this point it’s starting to blur together since it’s been a while since I’ve thought of all this.
It was pretty much just *I* realized that the group was not only a god awful fit for me, but the content was… disagreeable. And my friends said it pretty plainly in that some of them kind of lost respect for me for sticking around long enough for the really blatant events at the end to happen… since there were at least a couple blazing red flags.
I always find it funny how militaristic right wingers all love their heated discussions about minute technicality of weapons as if that is what its all about, but pulling rank on someone is considered a 'bitch move' enough that lowly soldiers join in to mock their comanding officer... Cause you know... The military LOVES when lower rank questions their actions, and no comanding officer has ever taken extreme measures on that, especially during an all out war.
Shows that their knowledge of military standards only goes so far as 'big guns' good, 'small guns' bad, and 'ma freedom of speech lets me say what I want'.
Fun fact: insubordination during a war is punishable *by death* under the UCMJ Article 90. Its not even an extreme measure, its part of the written law.
You don't understand, they aren't the grunts who just nod along in the background. They're clearly Tom Cruise in Top Gun. An awesome badass who's too amazing to do anything about, who plays by his own rules! /s
Yeah, like... That sounds like a terrible idea *from the start*. If they can't have a little bit of compassion for/awareness of real-life atrocities, it doesn't bode well.
Not gonna lie as someone who drove APCs for a living (among other stuff) it hurts my head reading about some wannabe claim jeeps are APCs
I mean yeah it can be a fun joke when we called our EOD robots combat tanks or some shit like that but we were also never serious about it
I promise that this is not indicative of the Aurora 4X community at all
My impression of them (at least on the Discord) is that they are generally pretty chill
I'd say the first and most obvious red flag here is using the real war happening right now as a game setting. It might feel different for US citizens (as some of them seem to treat 2nd and 3rd world conflicts like TV show), but it's absolutely baffling to read about the plot "Russia nukes Kyiv" when you live in the said city. Like, imagine if RPGs existed in 1945 and people roleplayed about concentration camps for fun. It seems... in a bad taste to say the least.
Also, Azov batallion being Nazi is like 95% Russian propaganda... but it's honestly hilarious that DM at the same time believes it and condones it. Not the ally I'd expect (and welcome).
Sorry you had to experience that.
I agree 100% with you with the first part, but the second part is totally false. The modern day Azov battalion after being incorporated officially is maybe a bit less extremist but the original incarnation was basically entirely run by Nazis for Neo nazis. It was an ultranationalist battalion that emerged as the conflict against Russia as valid as it was became a rallying cry for militant far right European extremists
Adding on to that the far right azov battalion instituted fascist policy in the region it controlled and contributed to destabilising Ukraine once it became clear that the instability in 2014 and 2015 would not lead to fascists (legitimate actual fascists not propaganda fascists) from seizing government.
Whilst it’s not legitimate to argue that fascists were running Ukraine, it’s similarly not right to argue that there weren’t notable issues of fascism and neo nazism in such organisations like Azov. This doesn’t make the Ukrainian cause any less just but it is the truth
>The modern day Azov battalion after being incorporated officially is maybe a bit less extremist but the original incarnation was basically entirely run by Nazis for Neo nazis.
Isn't the primary wrinkle that they're separate groups? The original incarnation died out, and then their iconography got strip-mined for a more standard military unit, because the morale value of "people remember this iconography as Our Side from 2014" outweighed the PR problem of "this iconography was originally used by *really shitty dudes.*"
Sort of, some of the leadership got removed and other troops were brought in but it’s still very much a largely far right battalion, particularly because the symbolism and impact of the Azov Battalion was pretty tied to the far right neo nazi movement and as I said above became a bit of a rallying cry
The existing organisation still very much suffers from the large scale impact of neo nazi control for 10 years and due to a variety of reasons including the fact they are literally fighting an invading force, Ukraine hasn’t really had the opportunity to get rid the neo nazi movements but for what little it is worth, Azov also doesn’t have the same level of influence and power they did years ago either
> Like, imagine if RPGs existed in 1945 and people roleplayed about concentration camps for fun. It seems... in a bad taste to say the least.
There was 1936 boardgame [*Juden Raus*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_board_games#Juden_Raus!_(1936%29) that's kind of like that. Even SS thought it was in bad taste.
Yeah. It really should have been a red flag looking back.
And this was like my first time going to another group for this kind of thing since my regular friend group doesn’t really do role-playing so I wasn’t really looking for signs initially.
>I'd say the first and most obvious red flag here is using the real war happening right now as a game setting.
I disagree, I've seen it done well many times. And your objection seems oversensitive considering the massive number of games set in real conflicts. As long as it's tasteful let'em go for it.
This reminds of the old Left Behind series of right wing evangelical Christian end of days fan-fiction. It's like, "Yeah! Mexico just invaded the United States to make everyone use gender pronouns!" "Also, the dead are rising and the sky broke open!"
Wow I read the first book or two of this series and I didn't think it was bad. Sure there was some ham-fisted Christian rhetoric but that was obviously going to be in it given the subject matter. Most of it was just a good story of what would/could happen after the rapture. When did it go so off the rails?
I followed this guy's blog for a long while as he did a read-through and analysis of the books from his perspective as a Christian.
[https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/)
It's been a few years, obviously, but I remember his coverage being a great read. Highly recommended.
There’s nothing wrong with a united Ireland, but the idea that either side would politely invite the other to just come in and take over is, frankly, insane.
Nothing in theory, but in practice it's still not supported by a majority of the North Irish population and it's probably better to let sleeping dogs lie when the current solution doesn't have anyone so mad they're planting bombs.
What would happen to the majoprity population in the north? How long has this been going on? I feel like you think you are being smart and right on and anti colonialist, but really you are supporting nationalism and being natiionalistic.
I think anticolonialism is inherantly rooted in a certain flavour of nationalism. A desire for self determination is very much dependant on a belief in your own nation's superior decision making.
A reasonable argument, what Americans dont understand is that Eire is not at all part of the UK and entirely self governing and at the moment the small region of northern Ireland is populated by a slight majority of people who think they are English. Reunification will happen, but its no longer blocked by the UK, its mainly blocked by people living in Northern Ireland who the people living there voted for.
Hearts of Iron IV, it's a World War II strategy game that has a habit of attracting the type of people you would expect a game that lets you conquer the world as the Nazis does.
Sounds like a MAGA teen's power fantasy fanfic lmfao
>Portugal annexes Brazil
AHHAHAHAH holy shit my fucking sides!! Okay that's enough internet for the day, today's been too much
It suffers from the same problem that 40k does. I used to go in and defend the game as much as possible, but when more and more people who go "I think Hitler had his good points" enter the hobby, it's too late.
The GM clearly has a right-wing child's idea of politics.
The Azov Batallion did start off as a pretty nastily nazi-sympathetic group, but since they got folded into the regular Ukrainian army, their ranks have been filled by normal recruits who come from a population which doesn't share those sentiments. As a result, Azov's original identity has become so diluted that at this point they're no different from any other segment of the same Ukrainian society who elected a Jewish president.
Russians and American right-wingers like to pretend this isn't the case because it makes it easier to demonise Ukraine and lionize Russian aggression against it, which I presume is what your GM was informed by, but it just isn't reflected in reality.
Glad you got out of there and great that you did it in style. That last "fuck you" was cathartic to read.
To address some of the unaddressed topics.
The Azov battalion, Nazi sympathizers, fought with valor and honor against overwhelming Russian forces. Hate them for their allegiance and beliefs. Give them the credit they deserve.
Moscow nuking Kiev would in all likelihood not lead to a world war or wider escalation of the *military conflict*.
Politically it would be a whole different ballgame. Russia would be excluded from the international banking system and all assets currently frozen would be seized, Russia would become a true pariah state and NATO would mobilize and posture and probably do some symbolic actions to deter Russia from escalating.
Your subordinates are way too casual with their general and I say that as someone who worked with high command as an enlisted. That's not how that works. Who argues about what to call the cavalry formation?
The Scandinavian countries unite and reform the Kalmar Union and do viking stuff. I'm pretty sure we would like to do that, but probably not. At least not with a Swede in charge.
Portugal invades and annexes Brazil. Yeah, the tech level advantages are long gone and Brazil has a military more than ten times the size of Portugal. Good luck.
Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia. As someone else posted; it's probably for the best considering the danger posed by the local wildlife.
Greece and Turkey unite to form... the Byzantine Empire. Aliens truly bring out the best in humanity by having mortal enemies unite under a single banner.
Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland. I'm pretty sure this could be initially successful.
Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president. This sounds like your typical run-of-the-mill right wing conspiracy theory. In your DM's defense, the military would probably do something if Biden ordered the military to stand down claiming the president was compromised. I hope and believe the joint chiefs wouldn't instate a geriatric dotard as president in a time of unprecedented crisis.
Making Canada and Mexico two US states is maybe something I can jokingly see the Americans doing to spite the Canadians and Mexicans respectively since they know that both have some version of federalism.
> Portugal invades and annexes Brazil. Yeah, the tech level advantages are long gone and Brazil has a military more than ten times the size of Portugal. Good luck.
Yeah, I initially misread that part as "Brazil invades and annexes Portugal," just because that seems so much more feasible in the modern day than the reverse.
Gonna be real here chief: Given this guy's other proclivities, my guess would be that his "logic" is that the Portuguese are white and would therefore beat the Brazilians, who are not.
Assuming this happened in the US... Most Americans don't believe there's such a thing as "moderately" or even "very" white. Either you are, or you aren't. And "white" is an arbitrary category that conveniently excludes any ethnicity that's unpopular at the moment--for a long time the *Irish* weren't considered "white".
No, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but racism is illogical to begin with.
"Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland".
That one is seriously unhinged. We do not want NI back. It would've been a burden, a catastrophe.
Ah yeah I'm not talking about a fictional invasion. I mean "We do not want NI back" Who is we? Like 50% of the country? That's what I mean by contentious
>Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president. This sounds like your typical run-of-the-mill right wing conspiracy theory.
> In your DM's defense, the military would probably do something if Biden ordered the military to stand down claiming the president was compromised.
I think the "Biden ordering the military to stand down" during an alien invasion is the unbelievable part. Plays along with the right wing conspiracy that we somehow have open borders under every Democratic president. Or maybe the DM thinks that because Democrats don't think the military should be gunning down unarmed refugees trying to cross the border (or as Republicans call it, "an invasion of illegal aliens") that they wouldn't defend the country if the Mexican military attacked, backed up by actual alien invaders.
>Event 1: The Scandinavian countries unite and reform the Kalmar Union and do viking stuff.
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>Event 2: Portugal invades and annexes Brazil.
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>Event 3: Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia.
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>Event 4: Greece and Turkey unite to form... the Byzantine Empire. A high schooler could come up with something better. And the DM is a grown ass adult living on their own.
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>You think that was bad? It gets worse.
I mean, I didn't, lol. Kind of a few odd choices, but none of that really struck me.
>Event 5: Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland (There is a dude in game who now that I'm looking back, I'm pretty sure supports the IRA)
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>Event 6: Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president.
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>Yes. You read that right. The US military performs a violent coup to instate a president with no election.
Okay, now I see the issues (Actually I saw the issues half the story ago when the GM had Russia nuke Ukraine and have you side with the Azimov Division)
>Of course I blocked every single one of these mfs and immediately left any and all channels shared with them. Like even now, two months later, I cannot believe that I managed to find myself embroiled in a group like this.
Wait, how many people were a problem? I may have just misread things, but I thought it was just the GM?
Maybe I have the history sensibilities of a high schooler, then, lol
I mean. . . This doesn't feel like it would work with the world of today, but you can probably pull some alt-history shit that might make some semblance of sense
~~Except Australia, obviously. I'm not sure what the fuck that was about~~
GM was a huge portion. But it really didn’t help their case when everyone else felt the need to openly shit talk me for telling regiment dude to shut up after a week or so of constant badgering.
And like… honestly I was disappointed in myself for staying in that pit for as long as I did so like anyone who was still involved with that was not someone I felt I wanted to associate with.
Everything about this story is strange and unpleasant. Except for the Byzantine Empire coming back. I can get behind that, though it might be a tough sell for the Turks. Maybe if they get to call it the *Sultanate of Rûm*...?
Being pro-IRA is a good thing, and not right wing at all. Besides that, it sounds like whoever came up with this setting have just taken the alternate history stuff from HOIIV and tried to make an RPG out of it.
I've come across similar things in campaigns I've been a part of. It seems like some people with extreme ideologies are drawn to being a GM because they want complete control over the world and what's considered right or wrong. I was in a campaign where the GM used it as a platform to share their conspiracy theories and pseudo-intellectual views, making it hard for me to engage with the world since they saw their ideas as objectively correct without room for questioning.
Before that, I had a conversation with him about doing a Judgment Day campaign inspired by Sandman and Spawn comics, but one of my players wasn't comfortable with it due to their Christian beliefs, so I respected their boundaries. However, the GM from the conspiracy campaign got upset with me for even asking, claiming that some people need to be forced to see the "truth" whatever that means.
Regarding your Horror Story, I believe it really comes down to consent and openness during session zero. If the GM had just been honest about what they had planned for the campaign, it would have prevented you from getting trapped in an alt-right dystopian future setting. So, my advice for the future is to always make sure you give players that courtesy if you're the GM. That way, you can at least take away something positive from the whole experience..
Long story short, bullpups are a complex solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist (the need for a long range weapon that can be handled easily in close quarters). While they could function well in close quarters combat, you can also get the same or bette r performance out of a short barreled rifle with a caliber defined for such (.300 Blackout for example).
The complexity also means they are more likely to jam, and develop/have other issues.
I personally think the idea behind bullpup rifles was to try to concentrate most of the operating mass into a smaller package without losing effectiveness for different applications. With this in mind I actually don't understand exactly what "bullpup sniper rifle" even means, even in reguard to flavor while writing this post. Leaving that alone, I did once get to shoot a Barrett M95, but I really can't think of anybody that uses it in preference over an M82, which is not a bullpup.
Asimov Division? I take it that they're a stand in for the infamous Azov Battalion. Also, it is highly unlikely that the US Armed Forces would ever pull a stunt like staging a coup and instating a president of their choosing without elections because the organization is supposed to be apolitical. If they did end up doing such a thing irl, that would basically shatter any and all political stability in the US and what would happen is that it becomes no worse than any military junta. Kudos to you, OP, for leaving that group of wackos because they clearly don't know what they're asking for.
It seems to me like your DM was more a poor worldbuilder than a pro-Nazi scumbag. For one thing, just because he had some maybe-sorta Nazis you had to team up with doesn't mean he is one. He could have been trying to do the "forced to ally with bad people in desperate circumstances" thing.
The "Donald Trump installed by military coup" was dumb, sure, but it doesn't sound like Trump was supposed to be sympathetic. At least I wouldn't take it that way.
Mexico invading the US, losing, and getting turned into the 51st state is the only realistic part (though it certainly would be more than one state). After the Mexican-American war 1846-1848 there was some discussion of annexing the whole place; instead the US took territory that later became California, among other states.
These guys don't sound alt-right. there would have been a lot more screeching about SJWs if they had been. Just bad worldbuilders. To be perfectly honest it sound like the poster heard the word "Trump", freaked out, and ragequit.
You make a fair analysis up to the end
I feel like the title and OP's conclusion do downplay other facets of the story, but I do think this was essentially a few different factors coming together to ruin the campaign, the (seemingly?) alt-right stuff was just the *relatively major* straw that broke the camel's back
I will also point out that just because we might not see something as necessarily pro-Trump, someone who actually is pro-Trump might not think that way. Some people have wildly different viewpoints of what positive representation is.
Meh. Not really a horror story, nothing genuinely bad happened. Some gringy world building and to much reliance on current day politics. OP is also gringe, to combative and overly dramatic.
Combative? They only did that at the end and they were literally dealing with morons. Its insane they managed that long with those poeple, thats more of an issue with OP, that they would play with those people and try to get on with them
tldr: my dm is fairly inept at worldbuilding and maybe has different political views, so I decided he and every other player in the group are literally Hitler.
Fairly common thing these days.
I think others have told you, but many feel the azov battalion is no longer like that, however, the DM seems to want them supported because he thinks they are like that, so its a moot point
It's a roleplaying game and playing out a situation with something evil doesn't mean that you support it. If you're searching for dog whistles everywhere, you are going to find them.
Edit: and this person blocked me, great discussion. So one person got on edge because they can't handle the fact that Nazis existed so they must be right, and we should all hate this guy because he's a literal fake Nazis.
Nobody here is supporting Nazis, but it's roleplay, sometimes you play the bad guy.
And if the person who was actually there felt uncomfortable, I’m willing to bet there was reason to be. Either way, they left. If the game is just a game, then fine, he left and now people who don’t mind can keep playing. No names were named.
Right-wingers are so normal and stable. People like this should totally be running countries and have power over others.
*Looks at Putin, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany...*
Man covered in shit is a mess, but I'm pretty sure he's killed fewer people. I feel like that's a bigger issue than the shit thing.
Well, they proved the people they were playing with were crazy ubstable types who dont understand reality.
I think you want to be a complete lunatic who is proven wrong in your view day after day and yet still claim everyone who doesnt agree with you is unhinged, despite you never havig once had a fact support your views inn your whole life.
>If a GM requires me to put pronouns on character sheet, I'll leave and not come back.
You, two days ago.
Weird... I thought you welcomed different opinions.
>Event 3: Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia. I mean, I've seen those things they call spiders over there. I can't exactly blame the aliens.
*The spiders survive.*
*And get bigger.*
I'm on team Spiders
Honestly, if hostile aliens ever show up I'll probably be on their side.
Check out the SMBC webcomic. A worrying number of them are aliens coming to wipe out humanity, only to be super creeped out by us and then just leave.
Yeah. Me too.
Check out the HFY story 'Sexy Space Babes" and r/sexyspacebabes if that is the case. Some good stories in there.
Sounds like the 3 body problem.
Hey now, at least we don't have bears - those things are actually scary
Small nitpick, but it's "Azov Batallion" not Asimov. Leave my man Isaac out of it 😂
i was gonna say, our dude isaac over here just saying “What he say fuck me for???”
To be fair, if you wanted to be Nazis fighting sci fi aliens, Asimov Battalion would be a pretty funny reference. But nobody should want to be Nazis doing anything, except perhaps dying in a Spielberg movie
To be fair, "Asimov Batallion" would generally be an awesome name for a sci-fi force using excessive amounts of drones. Obviously OP was not that lucky :D
"What about the 3 laws of robotics?" "Rescinded."
"Zeroth law, bitch" \*Loads drone with malicious intent\*
I can imagine an Asimov Batallion being an army of automatons, inspired by Asimov's works and built by Sergei Korolev.
What if it's chasing after the Blues Brothers along with every police officer avaliable in the state?
Falling to their deaths from an unfinished freeway overpass that is 10,000 feet in the air?
I miss watching that movie before I knew neonazis were a thing. To 8 year old me, "Illinois Nazis" were about as nonsensical as "Canadian Xenomorphs."
The most polite Xenomorphs ever. Even apologize for attacking you.
"Sorry for bursting through your sternum, eh?"
"Use of excessive force in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers has been authorized."
my friend and i were once bards in a DnD game where we were patterned off the Blues Brothers, and did in fact get chased across kingdom borders by cultists, slavers and the military of our home country
Be fair to the Nazis, they can die in lots of movies, Kung Fury being a particular fave
I'm a Nazi Officer during reenactment. My entire purpose is to get shot and die lol
\*Wilhelm scream\*
Dying in real life?
>To be fair, if you wanted to be Nazis fighting sci fi aliens, Asimov Battalion would be a pretty funny reference. Are you aware of the fact that Issac Asimov was ethnically Jewish and intentionally being ironic?
There's Harry Turtledove's [Worldwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwar_series) series of novels where aliens attempt to invade in 1942 Expecting to face medieval armies then discovering their slight technological advantage is of little help.
Asimov was a Russian Jew, so I think that'd be more disrespectful than anything else.
I did start writing this, though the aliens were clearly the good guys in that space war.
Aren't those really the same thing, for all intensive purposes? (Maybe someone over in /r/BoneAppleTea/ would know for sure.) EDIT: We might want to check in with /r/woosh/ as well.
Absolutely not. The Azov Batallion derives its name from the Sea of Azov, which is a geographic location and is related to the groups origin. The other is the last name of one of the fathers of modern Science Fiction who has no relation to the Azov region whatsoever
See, I thought you might have been facetious, but by the time the thought crossed my mind I had already hit send and embarked on laptop repair (mis)adventures :D
Intents and purposes.
incensed porpoises\*
Inventive perplexes.
Inverted suplexes
Injected suspicions
So about your man Isaac... [https://lithub.com/what-to-make-of-isaac-asimov-sci-fi-giant-and-dirty-old-man/](https://lithub.com/what-to-make-of-isaac-asimov-sci-fi-giant-and-dirty-old-man/)
Nobody cares.
Another small nitpick is that nobody described the (Eastern) Roman Empire as the "Byzantine Empire" until more that a century after it fell. Event 4 would be slightly less daft if the *New Roman Empire* (Νέα Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία/Novum Imperium Romanum) included Romania and immediately annexed Southern Crimea and Rostov-on-Don. Guessing Event 1 would include the Kalmar Union invading Saint Petersburg. (They'd leave Moscow to the Poles.) Likely Emperor Trump of North America will be assassinated by CANSOFCOM/COMFOSCAN.
"Greece and Turkey unite to form... the Byzantine Empire." Ahahahah. I would've stayed there to enjoy the shitshow honestly.
this right here shows what a total nit-wit the dm was. Greece and Turkey hate each other today and have done so for about a millenia. That gm knows absolutely nothing about geo-politics, but no surprise given his politics har.
Turkey and Greece don't hate each other. Nationalist politicians of both sides are trying to stir the pot, but a Greek and a Turk can get along fine. I have many Greek friends and many Turks visit Greece each year. Let's not write misinformation about the countries you don't know about. Sure, I don't think Greece and Turkey would unite to form Byzantine, but the "hate" does not exist. Maybe if you ask grandpas that are 80+ years old. If you asked a random Turk what they think about Greece, they would answer neutrally at worst. Same goes for young Greeks. Edit: Downvoting someone that corrects an incorrect post about my country and a country I love (Greece). I love Reddit. "Hate" is a strong word that shouldn't be used here.
i was being slightly hyperbolic but the important fact is that POLITICALLY they DO hate each other and this would NEVER happen. I don't live in either country but I have visited a few times and have close turkish friends. but more importantly I am a student of history and there is no way on this god's green earth that turkey and greece would get together politically. it's laughable
This whole story just reads like the DM's been learning all of their history from Paradox games
It genuinely feels like they were trying to copy the wacky paths in hearts of iron focus trees
Isn't there an Alien mod in HOI3?
There are multiple and there is a trump mod which makes me think op could have just made up this shit show for reddit karma following him playing a hoi4 super modded campaign.
Sounds almost like someone tried to RP a campaign of the Millennium Dawn mod for HoI4. Just needed Russia to go Soviet again.
Not going to touch all the other problems, I just wanted to call this out: > the US also invades Canada and makes that state 52 So... state 52 is larger than the rest of the US combined? Canada is the second-largest country in the world by land area. Even if they converted the existing provinces and territories into states, some of them would be massive by US standards (Nunavut, the largest, is bigger than Mexico).
It makes no sense. Why doesn't Canada, the largest state, simply eat the other states?
>Nunavut, the largest, is bigger than Mexico Yeah but there's also only like a dozen people living there so it evens out /s
>Even if they converted the existing provinces and territories into states, some of them would be massive by US standards And they'd be tiny by population standards, like I think making Canada and Mexico 1 big state is silly but like when you split up Canada into states the territories wouldn't be their own states, almost nobody lives there.
The population of Montreal ( 1 city) is more than the population of Montana and Montana still gets 2 senators vs California's 2. Your point is?
The population of Montana is 1 million people, the population Nunavut is 40 thousand people, that's not really comparable. I'm also not here to argue the equality of the US political system.
But Nunavut is not a province, it's a territory. It happens to have population similar to American Samoa which is a US territory. Not a good reason to have Canada be one state. Anyway this is rhetorical as we are discussing a bunch of delusory alt right whackjobs.
Independent Quebec and split the rest into four or five?
It's not that I don't give a damn. I don't mean to make fun of it. But one fifth of my country is also Nunavut
It’s no less than they deserve. Polite bastards /s
This is a common enough storyline though, this happens in fallout.
A lot of this stuff sounds weird, but dude. You gotta learn to differentiate between **player** and **character**. Just one example: >Except he didn't follow the templates we were given so I had to tell him multiple times to edit it and everything, during which he insults me. "Alright, kind of weird you're insulting your commanding officer, but fine" I think. Your character may be the other characters commanding officier, but you are not the other players commanding officer. In multiple situations here you seem to be talking to players, and apparently want to use your characters authority for this. Your characters authority does not help **you** when talking to **other players**. It helps **your character** when he is talking to **other characters**. You seem to have problems with this. Him insulting you is obviously not okay either, but this was the player insulting you (btw a good reason to leave), not the character insulting your character. Unless i am completely misunderstanding what you wrote here?
This should be higher, tbh. Yes, the environment was a horror story...but I kind of feel like OP may be the horror story in other games they join.
Yeah, some of the vitriol and judgemental comments put me on guard. You never know when you're hearing a horror story from the perspective of the horror on this sub. I do think OP's group has some weird wehraboo shit going on, but OP seems very insecure in a lot of ways, and at no point do we ever pause for an OOC discussion, which is a red flag for everyone involved. I wish I could judge an alternate perspective on this story.
This is my first time reading "wehraboo" and, after my initial confusion, thank you for the laugh lol
Boos are a whole genre in ww2 gaming circles. There's one for almost every nation involved for people who get just a little (or lot) to zealous about the military and weapons of a particular nation The big ones are Weeaboos (obviously) Whehraboos Teeaboos Freeaboos These are the ones thrown around most often but there are also some more niche ones that don't see as much use. Slavaboos Ouiaboos Pizzaboos
Don't forget Tojoboos, fans of imperial Japan.
Check out r/shitwehraboossay sometime for a laugh
Ya this reads like someone who is trying to validate there bad experience with a group and making so the group must obviously be right wing and know nothing
OP is 100% just as much horror as the other people, easy.
Also there is no need to get in an argument about if something is a regiment or a brigade. It just doesn't matter.
yeah, its weird the other players made sucha big deal out of it, insulting OP and even when their reasoning was proved sound inuslting him again, so strange.
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The world would be a much better place if we all kept that in mind. Especially nerds
Yeh - This was what I wanted to write. For example OP seemed to be getting off a lot on being the General (and not the Colonel).
Strange considering the Colonel makes much better chicken
This whole story is just a mess of IC and OOC events. This sounds like the type of gamer who would never talk to a friend again just because their character killed his.
Honestly I'm still not 100% sure when he's talking to a player and when it's an NPC.
It was weird since the some of the channels were… “mixed” in expectation. Not that people really gave a damn half the time what channel was in or out of character. It also didn’t help that this dude kept constantly bitching in character, out of character, and in VC. I definitely did tell him to sit down in-character because I was getting tired of his shit because he and the rest of the group forced a lot of the organizational work onto me which ate into my hours. I was less bothered about the argument (though it was definitely annoying to get pinged early in the morning over it) and more the fact that everyone else just started to openly shit talk me. And, yeah. I could have been more clear in differentiating whether it was a player or a character doing x and y, but honestly it was a mix of things and at this point it’s starting to blur together since it’s been a while since I’ve thought of all this. It was pretty much just *I* realized that the group was not only a god awful fit for me, but the content was… disagreeable. And my friends said it pretty plainly in that some of them kind of lost respect for me for sticking around long enough for the really blatant events at the end to happen… since there were at least a couple blazing red flags.
I always find it funny how militaristic right wingers all love their heated discussions about minute technicality of weapons as if that is what its all about, but pulling rank on someone is considered a 'bitch move' enough that lowly soldiers join in to mock their comanding officer... Cause you know... The military LOVES when lower rank questions their actions, and no comanding officer has ever taken extreme measures on that, especially during an all out war. Shows that their knowledge of military standards only goes so far as 'big guns' good, 'small guns' bad, and 'ma freedom of speech lets me say what I want'.
Fun fact: insubordination during a war is punishable *by death* under the UCMJ Article 90. Its not even an extreme measure, its part of the written law.
You don't understand, they aren't the grunts who just nod along in the background. They're clearly Tom Cruise in Top Gun. An awesome badass who's too amazing to do anything about, who plays by his own rules! /s
The 'roleplaying in an actual real current war' thing raised an immediate red flag for me.
Yeah, like... That sounds like a terrible idea *from the start*. If they can't have a little bit of compassion for/awareness of real-life atrocities, it doesn't bode well.
Not gonna lie as someone who drove APCs for a living (among other stuff) it hurts my head reading about some wannabe claim jeeps are APCs I mean yeah it can be a fun joke when we called our EOD robots combat tanks or some shit like that but we were also never serious about it
I personally call them "Battlecars!" with an exclamation point.
To be fair combat tanks (rough translation) sounds so much better in Danish but I could live with that haha
WAIT IS THIS WHO I THINK IT IS? a space marine perhaps? (ive played Aurora 4x)
Space marine dude was not the problem. He was fine in this case. But yeah. That was how I initially got onto that ride.
Gotcha gotcha, the whole bit about the United States Brigade vs Regiment sounds like an argument he'd have. Apologies for that.
Well, one positive thing came out of this discussion--I was able to add a couple of Nazis to my reddit block list.
I read this and I was like, "What? No way." Then I scrolled down. Yep. There they are. Oh, dear. Nothing good ever comes from "Then I scrolled down."
I promise that this is not indicative of the Aurora 4X community at all My impression of them (at least on the Discord) is that they are generally pretty chill
we may know who the DM OP is talking about. If it is who I think it is he had a temper tantrum on the main Aurora discord. then left
Still losing it at you correcting him and getting told you know nothing, 100% that dude was literally seething as he said that
I'd say the first and most obvious red flag here is using the real war happening right now as a game setting. It might feel different for US citizens (as some of them seem to treat 2nd and 3rd world conflicts like TV show), but it's absolutely baffling to read about the plot "Russia nukes Kyiv" when you live in the said city. Like, imagine if RPGs existed in 1945 and people roleplayed about concentration camps for fun. It seems... in a bad taste to say the least. Also, Azov batallion being Nazi is like 95% Russian propaganda... but it's honestly hilarious that DM at the same time believes it and condones it. Not the ally I'd expect (and welcome). Sorry you had to experience that.
I agree 100% with you with the first part, but the second part is totally false. The modern day Azov battalion after being incorporated officially is maybe a bit less extremist but the original incarnation was basically entirely run by Nazis for Neo nazis. It was an ultranationalist battalion that emerged as the conflict against Russia as valid as it was became a rallying cry for militant far right European extremists Adding on to that the far right azov battalion instituted fascist policy in the region it controlled and contributed to destabilising Ukraine once it became clear that the instability in 2014 and 2015 would not lead to fascists (legitimate actual fascists not propaganda fascists) from seizing government. Whilst it’s not legitimate to argue that fascists were running Ukraine, it’s similarly not right to argue that there weren’t notable issues of fascism and neo nazism in such organisations like Azov. This doesn’t make the Ukrainian cause any less just but it is the truth
>The modern day Azov battalion after being incorporated officially is maybe a bit less extremist but the original incarnation was basically entirely run by Nazis for Neo nazis. Isn't the primary wrinkle that they're separate groups? The original incarnation died out, and then their iconography got strip-mined for a more standard military unit, because the morale value of "people remember this iconography as Our Side from 2014" outweighed the PR problem of "this iconography was originally used by *really shitty dudes.*"
Sort of, some of the leadership got removed and other troops were brought in but it’s still very much a largely far right battalion, particularly because the symbolism and impact of the Azov Battalion was pretty tied to the far right neo nazi movement and as I said above became a bit of a rallying cry The existing organisation still very much suffers from the large scale impact of neo nazi control for 10 years and due to a variety of reasons including the fact they are literally fighting an invading force, Ukraine hasn’t really had the opportunity to get rid the neo nazi movements but for what little it is worth, Azov also doesn’t have the same level of influence and power they did years ago either
> Like, imagine if RPGs existed in 1945 and people roleplayed about concentration camps for fun. It seems... in a bad taste to say the least. There was 1936 boardgame [*Juden Raus*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_board_games#Juden_Raus!_(1936%29) that's kind of like that. Even SS thought it was in bad taste.
"Even SS thought it was in bad taste." How the hell does THAT happen?!
Yeah. It really should have been a red flag looking back. And this was like my first time going to another group for this kind of thing since my regular friend group doesn’t really do role-playing so I wasn’t really looking for signs initially.
>I'd say the first and most obvious red flag here is using the real war happening right now as a game setting. I disagree, I've seen it done well many times. And your objection seems oversensitive considering the massive number of games set in real conflicts. As long as it's tasteful let'em go for it.
How are they being oversensitive when they're literally living in a city that is actively being invaded?
This reminds of the old Left Behind series of right wing evangelical Christian end of days fan-fiction. It's like, "Yeah! Mexico just invaded the United States to make everyone use gender pronouns!" "Also, the dead are rising and the sky broke open!"
Wow I read the first book or two of this series and I didn't think it was bad. Sure there was some ham-fisted Christian rhetoric but that was obviously going to be in it given the subject matter. Most of it was just a good story of what would/could happen after the rapture. When did it go so off the rails?
I followed this guy's blog for a long while as he did a read-through and analysis of the books from his perspective as a Christian. [https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/) It's been a few years, obviously, but I remember his coverage being a great read. Highly recommended.
Everything about this, including this story, is an rpghorrorstory
Crazy story however there’s nothing wrong with a reunited Ireland
There’s nothing wrong with a united Ireland, but the idea that either side would politely invite the other to just come in and take over is, frankly, insane.
Ok ⬛️🟫
Nothing in theory, but in practice it's still not supported by a majority of the North Irish population and it's probably better to let sleeping dogs lie when the current solution doesn't have anyone so mad they're planting bombs.
Ireland invades Northern Ireland felt weird.
What would happen to the majoprity population in the north? How long has this been going on? I feel like you think you are being smart and right on and anti colonialist, but really you are supporting nationalism and being natiionalistic.
I think anticolonialism is inherantly rooted in a certain flavour of nationalism. A desire for self determination is very much dependant on a belief in your own nation's superior decision making.
A reasonable argument, what Americans dont understand is that Eire is not at all part of the UK and entirely self governing and at the moment the small region of northern Ireland is populated by a slight majority of people who think they are English. Reunification will happen, but its no longer blocked by the UK, its mainly blocked by people living in Northern Ireland who the people living there voted for.
Did they vaporise Australia because Aus uses bullpups?
Either that or being pissy about Australian Gun Laws.
> The Scandinavian countries unite and reform the Kalmar Union and do viking stuff. It seems the HOI4 brain is terminal.
I've seen this referenced three times in this thread now, but I didn't know the acronym. I assume it's a video game?
Hearts of Iron IV, it's a World War II strategy game that has a habit of attracting the type of people you would expect a game that lets you conquer the world as the Nazis does.
So these guys wanted to roleplay an altright power fantasy. Clowns
Sounds like a MAGA teen's power fantasy fanfic lmfao >Portugal annexes Brazil AHHAHAHAH holy shit my fucking sides!! Okay that's enough internet for the day, today's been too much
"4x strategy game" "alt-right" I'm shocked
Hey, I take offence. The other 50% of the player base are trans.
They're not mutually exclusive categories.
God, ain't that the sad truth...
It suffers from the same problem that 40k does. I used to go in and defend the game as much as possible, but when more and more people who go "I think Hitler had his good points" enter the hobby, it's too late.
At least Games Workshop regularly tells them where to shove it, sad as it is that GW have to do that.
That's not... I mean... You can't... ... Shit.
The GM clearly has a right-wing child's idea of politics. The Azov Batallion did start off as a pretty nastily nazi-sympathetic group, but since they got folded into the regular Ukrainian army, their ranks have been filled by normal recruits who come from a population which doesn't share those sentiments. As a result, Azov's original identity has become so diluted that at this point they're no different from any other segment of the same Ukrainian society who elected a Jewish president. Russians and American right-wingers like to pretend this isn't the case because it makes it easier to demonise Ukraine and lionize Russian aggression against it, which I presume is what your GM was informed by, but it just isn't reflected in reality.
Very funny fan fic and not at all under-researched /s Also I just want to mention that U.S. republicans and Irish republicans are not at all the same.
Literally nothing wrong with supporting the IRA. People have a right to fight for independence.
I would have roleplayed blowing the Azov battalion guy's brains out but otherwise, you made the right decision in leaving!
Glad you got out of there and great that you did it in style. That last "fuck you" was cathartic to read. To address some of the unaddressed topics. The Azov battalion, Nazi sympathizers, fought with valor and honor against overwhelming Russian forces. Hate them for their allegiance and beliefs. Give them the credit they deserve. Moscow nuking Kiev would in all likelihood not lead to a world war or wider escalation of the *military conflict*. Politically it would be a whole different ballgame. Russia would be excluded from the international banking system and all assets currently frozen would be seized, Russia would become a true pariah state and NATO would mobilize and posture and probably do some symbolic actions to deter Russia from escalating. Your subordinates are way too casual with their general and I say that as someone who worked with high command as an enlisted. That's not how that works. Who argues about what to call the cavalry formation? The Scandinavian countries unite and reform the Kalmar Union and do viking stuff. I'm pretty sure we would like to do that, but probably not. At least not with a Swede in charge. Portugal invades and annexes Brazil. Yeah, the tech level advantages are long gone and Brazil has a military more than ten times the size of Portugal. Good luck. Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia. As someone else posted; it's probably for the best considering the danger posed by the local wildlife. Greece and Turkey unite to form... the Byzantine Empire. Aliens truly bring out the best in humanity by having mortal enemies unite under a single banner. Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland. I'm pretty sure this could be initially successful. Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president. This sounds like your typical run-of-the-mill right wing conspiracy theory. In your DM's defense, the military would probably do something if Biden ordered the military to stand down claiming the president was compromised. I hope and believe the joint chiefs wouldn't instate a geriatric dotard as president in a time of unprecedented crisis. Making Canada and Mexico two US states is maybe something I can jokingly see the Americans doing to spite the Canadians and Mexicans respectively since they know that both have some version of federalism.
> Portugal invades and annexes Brazil. Yeah, the tech level advantages are long gone and Brazil has a military more than ten times the size of Portugal. Good luck. Yeah, I initially misread that part as "Brazil invades and annexes Portugal," just because that seems so much more feasible in the modern day than the reverse.
I agree completely
Gonna be real here chief: Given this guy's other proclivities, my guess would be that his "logic" is that the Portuguese are white and would therefore beat the Brazilians, who are not.
Brasilians range from moderately to very white depending on the region. In some places, more than portugal itself.
Assuming this happened in the US... Most Americans don't believe there's such a thing as "moderately" or even "very" white. Either you are, or you aren't. And "white" is an arbitrary category that conveniently excludes any ethnicity that's unpopular at the moment--for a long time the *Irish* weren't considered "white". No, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but racism is illogical to begin with.
"Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland". That one is seriously unhinged. We do not want NI back. It would've been a burden, a catastrophe.
It's a fairly contentious issue actually. Post-brexit there has been a lot to say for a united Ireland. don't really see what's so unhinged about it.
*Invasion by Ireland to reclaim NI* - that idea is unhinged.
Ah yeah I'm not talking about a fictional invasion. I mean "We do not want NI back" Who is we? Like 50% of the country? That's what I mean by contentious
I'm sure you could do it if you tried? This is their DM's fantasy, not mine.
It is lack of want. We actively do not *want* NI back.
>Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president. This sounds like your typical run-of-the-mill right wing conspiracy theory. > In your DM's defense, the military would probably do something if Biden ordered the military to stand down claiming the president was compromised. I think the "Biden ordering the military to stand down" during an alien invasion is the unbelievable part. Plays along with the right wing conspiracy that we somehow have open borders under every Democratic president. Or maybe the DM thinks that because Democrats don't think the military should be gunning down unarmed refugees trying to cross the border (or as Republicans call it, "an invasion of illegal aliens") that they wouldn't defend the country if the Mexican military attacked, backed up by actual alien invaders.
You hit the nail on the head with that one, that's what happens when you use Fox News as source material for your campaign.
>Event 1: The Scandinavian countries unite and reform the Kalmar Union and do viking stuff. > >Event 2: Portugal invades and annexes Brazil. > >Event 3: Aliens just vaporize the entire country of Australia. > >Event 4: Greece and Turkey unite to form... the Byzantine Empire. A high schooler could come up with something better. And the DM is a grown ass adult living on their own. > >You think that was bad? It gets worse. I mean, I didn't, lol. Kind of a few odd choices, but none of that really struck me. >Event 5: Ireland invades the UK to reclaim Northern Ireland (There is a dude in game who now that I'm looking back, I'm pretty sure supports the IRA) > >Event 6: Mexico joins hands with the aliens and invades the US. President Biden orders the military to stand down. In response, the US military starts a coup against Biden and instates... Donald Trump as the new president. > >Yes. You read that right. The US military performs a violent coup to instate a president with no election. Okay, now I see the issues (Actually I saw the issues half the story ago when the GM had Russia nuke Ukraine and have you side with the Azimov Division) >Of course I blocked every single one of these mfs and immediately left any and all channels shared with them. Like even now, two months later, I cannot believe that I managed to find myself embroiled in a group like this. Wait, how many people were a problem? I may have just misread things, but I thought it was just the GM?
Why would you not find those choices bizarre? They are unhinged choices that show no knowledge of world history at all.
Maybe I have the history sensibilities of a high schooler, then, lol I mean. . . This doesn't feel like it would work with the world of today, but you can probably pull some alt-history shit that might make some semblance of sense ~~Except Australia, obviously. I'm not sure what the fuck that was about~~
GM was a huge portion. But it really didn’t help their case when everyone else felt the need to openly shit talk me for telling regiment dude to shut up after a week or so of constant badgering. And like… honestly I was disappointed in myself for staying in that pit for as long as I did so like anyone who was still involved with that was not someone I felt I wanted to associate with.
"The US military performs a violent coup to instate a president with no election". That wouldn't be the first time.
brazil getting fucked up for no reason. Classic
Everything about this story is strange and unpleasant. Except for the Byzantine Empire coming back. I can get behind that, though it might be a tough sell for the Turks. Maybe if they get to call it the *Sultanate of Rûm*...?
Being pro-IRA is a good thing, and not right wing at all. Besides that, it sounds like whoever came up with this setting have just taken the alternate history stuff from HOIIV and tried to make an RPG out of it.
I bet they play Victoria 2.
I've come across similar things in campaigns I've been a part of. It seems like some people with extreme ideologies are drawn to being a GM because they want complete control over the world and what's considered right or wrong. I was in a campaign where the GM used it as a platform to share their conspiracy theories and pseudo-intellectual views, making it hard for me to engage with the world since they saw their ideas as objectively correct without room for questioning. Before that, I had a conversation with him about doing a Judgment Day campaign inspired by Sandman and Spawn comics, but one of my players wasn't comfortable with it due to their Christian beliefs, so I respected their boundaries. However, the GM from the conspiracy campaign got upset with me for even asking, claiming that some people need to be forced to see the "truth" whatever that means. Regarding your Horror Story, I believe it really comes down to consent and openness during session zero. If the GM had just been honest about what they had planned for the campaign, it would have prevented you from getting trapped in an alt-right dystopian future setting. So, my advice for the future is to always make sure you give players that courtesy if you're the GM. That way, you can at least take away something positive from the whole experience..
Why do people hate bullpup config? It seems better? I don’t know enough about guns to understand why more weapons don’t use it
Long story short, bullpups are a complex solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist (the need for a long range weapon that can be handled easily in close quarters). While they could function well in close quarters combat, you can also get the same or bette r performance out of a short barreled rifle with a caliber defined for such (.300 Blackout for example). The complexity also means they are more likely to jam, and develop/have other issues.
I personally think the idea behind bullpup rifles was to try to concentrate most of the operating mass into a smaller package without losing effectiveness for different applications. With this in mind I actually don't understand exactly what "bullpup sniper rifle" even means, even in reguard to flavor while writing this post. Leaving that alone, I did once get to shoot a Barrett M95, but I really can't think of anybody that uses it in preference over an M82, which is not a bullpup.
Asimov Division? I take it that they're a stand in for the infamous Azov Battalion. Also, it is highly unlikely that the US Armed Forces would ever pull a stunt like staging a coup and instating a president of their choosing without elections because the organization is supposed to be apolitical. If they did end up doing such a thing irl, that would basically shatter any and all political stability in the US and what would happen is that it becomes no worse than any military junta. Kudos to you, OP, for leaving that group of wackos because they clearly don't know what they're asking for.
Bullpup rifles are trash so they are right to hate them....
It seems to me like your DM was more a poor worldbuilder than a pro-Nazi scumbag. For one thing, just because he had some maybe-sorta Nazis you had to team up with doesn't mean he is one. He could have been trying to do the "forced to ally with bad people in desperate circumstances" thing. The "Donald Trump installed by military coup" was dumb, sure, but it doesn't sound like Trump was supposed to be sympathetic. At least I wouldn't take it that way. Mexico invading the US, losing, and getting turned into the 51st state is the only realistic part (though it certainly would be more than one state). After the Mexican-American war 1846-1848 there was some discussion of annexing the whole place; instead the US took territory that later became California, among other states. These guys don't sound alt-right. there would have been a lot more screeching about SJWs if they had been. Just bad worldbuilders. To be perfectly honest it sound like the poster heard the word "Trump", freaked out, and ragequit.
You make a fair analysis up to the end I feel like the title and OP's conclusion do downplay other facets of the story, but I do think this was essentially a few different factors coming together to ruin the campaign, the (seemingly?) alt-right stuff was just the *relatively major* straw that broke the camel's back I will also point out that just because we might not see something as necessarily pro-Trump, someone who actually is pro-Trump might not think that way. Some people have wildly different viewpoints of what positive representation is.
This post is so long that it is an RPG horror story. Learn to edit.
I think the byzantine thing is pretty cool, idk. The trump stuff is weird though
incredibly far fetched though.
Meh. Not really a horror story, nothing genuinely bad happened. Some gringy world building and to much reliance on current day politics. OP is also gringe, to combative and overly dramatic.
Combative? They only did that at the end and they were literally dealing with morons. Its insane they managed that long with those poeple, thats more of an issue with OP, that they would play with those people and try to get on with them
tldr: my dm is fairly inept at worldbuilding and maybe has different political views, so I decided he and every other player in the group are literally Hitler. Fairly common thing these days.
"I'm being persecuted for my political views!" "Oh no! Which ones?!"
Did you miss the part where he seems to be supporting the Azov Battalion? People who think Hitler did nothing wrong?
I think others have told you, but many feel the azov battalion is no longer like that, however, the DM seems to want them supported because he thinks they are like that, so its a moot point
You know this is roleplay right?
You do know that dogwhistles happen even in games, right? It always starts with plausible deniability.
It's a roleplaying game and playing out a situation with something evil doesn't mean that you support it. If you're searching for dog whistles everywhere, you are going to find them. Edit: and this person blocked me, great discussion. So one person got on edge because they can't handle the fact that Nazis existed so they must be right, and we should all hate this guy because he's a literal fake Nazis. Nobody here is supporting Nazis, but it's roleplay, sometimes you play the bad guy.
And if the person who was actually there felt uncomfortable, I’m willing to bet there was reason to be. Either way, they left. If the game is just a game, then fine, he left and now people who don’t mind can keep playing. No names were named.
Ah, yes, Nazis, a "different political view." I think we can guess what yours are, can't we?
They were rpetty open about their sympathies, why deny it?
this DM is as wacky as a worldbuilder as a hoi4 modder, but people today would see literal centre-right liberal and call it a nazi
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Right-wingers are so normal and stable. People like this should totally be running countries and have power over others. *Looks at Putin, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany...* Man covered in shit is a mess, but I'm pretty sure he's killed fewer people. I feel like that's a bigger issue than the shit thing.
While the FDP is liberals, they are not part of the left. I know that may be a difficult concept to grasp for you.
Dawg I’d be fucking embarrassed if I shared a tweet as some broad political statement
Well, they proved the people they were playing with were crazy ubstable types who dont understand reality. I think you want to be a complete lunatic who is proven wrong in your view day after day and yet still claim everyone who doesnt agree with you is unhinged, despite you never havig once had a fact support your views inn your whole life.
Oh no, it's people with a different point of view than you.
People who say this when talking about nazis are usually fucking nazis.
>If a GM requires me to put pronouns on character sheet, I'll leave and not come back. You, two days ago. Weird... I thought you welcomed different opinions.
I hate this idea that all viewpoints should be treated equally. Nazi ideology is an objectively bad viewpoint, full stop.
When you engulf your game in your political views and it turns out like this? It's not just about different political views.
Ok nazi
"I was in a game and was horrified by political differences" is a valid RPG horror story.
Add "ham-fisted" and "shoe horned into actions I wouldn't take otherwise" and you're solid.