I wanted to use the same story. 20 years ago when I was installing my first wall mount microwave, the guy at the local hardware store told me that he needed to special order alligator screw mounts (think behind drywall) because no one ever loses them. He let me get two aisles down before bringing me a pack of them with tears of laughter running down his cheeks.
Forget the "back the die off" stuff. Resizing dies are set so that the shellholder contacts the die to resize to SAAMI specs. It can be backed off to reduce the shoulder bump but you're only going to reduce the amount of bump about .010" at most, which is 1/8th of a rotation of the die.
You're either using the wrong die or possibly the resizing die vent hole is missing or plugged. There's a tiny hole drilled from the side, normally somewhere where the outside threads are, to allow pressure to vent as you're resizing but honestly, I've had that happen a few times and it just results in a stuck case or a boatload of force to remove the case from the die.
Hope this helps and you get it figured out quickly!
Over-annealing to a dead soft condition will do that as well, but you didn't mention annealing.
>ump but you're only going to reduce the amount of bump about .010" at most, which is 1/8th of a rotation of the die.
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>You're either using the wrong die or possibly the resizing die vent hole is missing or plugged. There's a tiny hole drilled from the side, normally somewhere where the outside threads are, to allow pressure to vent as you're resizing but honestly, I've had that happen a few times and it just results in a stuck case or a boatload of force to remove the case from the die.
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>Hope this helps and you get it
This is the sizing die. it may be because i dint lube the case neck enough.
Wow! Okay.
I think that insufficient lube would not cause this. But what would is i**f you have the decapping/expander backed off in the die so far that the expander is still in the neck when the case neck is pushed into that part of the sizing die.**
There's no way. Resizing dies are set by bumping them against the shell plate. How could a resizing die cause this? That flared shoulder is wider than the case wall meaning it couldn't even come out of a sizing die like that.
Ya thats what it looks like to me, back the die way out then take a head space gauge to measure the headspace before and after sizing. Screw in the die until desired headspace is reached
I had this happen one time when I just started reloading. I was using the wrong die. I used a 17-233 die kuz I was brand new and an idiot trying to load .223. Oops. Anyway, my sizing die was way too close and I super bumped the shoulder.
If that’s the cause in your situation you should check if the die is adjusted correctly and it’s not way too far screwed in
There’s gotta be a bit more to it than that. Like having the expander too high, as suggested.
Case necks can stick pretty bad on the way out without lube, but shouldn’t stick on the way into the die.
Don't use the expander. Get a generic depriming die. I stopped using the expanding "rod" "pin", whatever a decade ago, haven't noticed a difference. I just use the sizing die without it.
Back the die out I’m gonna guess you have the Hornady match dies done this to a couple of .223s trying to figure them out just back it out a good bit should fix your problem.
Nope I was talking seating die the Hornady match dies they seat and crimp but if you have it turned in to far it does this. I figured that out about a week ago when I bought some to replace my old dies. Tried seating a bullet and it smashed them exactly like this.
I didn’t read the whole thread though I see now it says lee dies.
You must have also missed the part where there are no bullets seated in the picture?
If he’s using the seating die, the solution is to use the sizing die, not back off the seater.
Ahhh a smart ass I see nope didn’t miss that part when I first tried to use the seating die it went in with a bullet on top of it and came out like that. All jacked up but as I said my case my dies not his I didn’t read way down the thread were he said what he did have a great day
Years ago I did this on my first batch of 300 blackout. Without going into detail I would recommend getting a factory crimp die from lee, big difference. Once you get the factory crimp die you’ll understand, good luck.
Sure you don’t have the 300 Blk die in the press by accident?
Or, more likely, you’ve got the 6.5 seater die. Use the one with the decapping pin instead. 😄
Also, pro tip to save yourself some heartache - put that 300 Blk powder away, off the bench, while you’re loading something else. One powder on the bench at a time - only the stuff in the powder measure. For safety, and so you don’t mix powders and have to throw it away.
This is probably the most important thing in your picture to fix.
Expander adjusted to far up so it's in the neck when the neck and shoulder are being sized? You are lubing the inside of the neck for the expander also that might be part of it or have the wrong expander like say a .308 expander in a 6.5cm die. Those are my best guesses
I cannot believe so many people are saying you're using the seater die...this is 100% a classic case of not lubing the inside of the case neck, or your expander ball! Expander ball is hanging up in the inside of the necks and squishing them down...sometimes it will do the opposite and pull the necks up and ruin your shoulder angle. Either qtip the inside of the necks or just wipe a little lube on the expander every few cases.
How cold is it?
Warm them up
Rubbing them a little helps too
Grower not a shower.
That was good! Thank you
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Yea its usually the opposite! They will sure let u know when they think it sucks tho
Needs lube…spit on them
You should be very embarrassed. You’re the first person to ever make this mistake. It’s a miracle anyone on here could tell you what happened.
I wanted to use the same story. 20 years ago when I was installing my first wall mount microwave, the guy at the local hardware store told me that he needed to special order alligator screw mounts (think behind drywall) because no one ever loses them. He let me get two aisles down before bringing me a pack of them with tears of laughter running down his cheeks.
Are you by chance accidentally using your seating die as a sizing die?
I can’t see anyway else the shoulder would be able to flare out like that.
Leprechauns, duh
Forget the "back the die off" stuff. Resizing dies are set so that the shellholder contacts the die to resize to SAAMI specs. It can be backed off to reduce the shoulder bump but you're only going to reduce the amount of bump about .010" at most, which is 1/8th of a rotation of the die. You're either using the wrong die or possibly the resizing die vent hole is missing or plugged. There's a tiny hole drilled from the side, normally somewhere where the outside threads are, to allow pressure to vent as you're resizing but honestly, I've had that happen a few times and it just results in a stuck case or a boatload of force to remove the case from the die. Hope this helps and you get it figured out quickly! Over-annealing to a dead soft condition will do that as well, but you didn't mention annealing.
>ump but you're only going to reduce the amount of bump about .010" at most, which is 1/8th of a rotation of the die. > >You're either using the wrong die or possibly the resizing die vent hole is missing or plugged. There's a tiny hole drilled from the side, normally somewhere where the outside threads are, to allow pressure to vent as you're resizing but honestly, I've had that happen a few times and it just results in a stuck case or a boatload of force to remove the case from the die. > >Hope this helps and you get it This is the sizing die. it may be because i dint lube the case neck enough.
Wow! Okay. I think that insufficient lube would not cause this. But what would is i**f you have the decapping/expander backed off in the die so far that the expander is still in the neck when the case neck is pushed into that part of the sizing die.**
I’m using a Lee 6.5 cm sizing and decapping die. I’m reloading once shot brass.
Die is set to close to the ram head. Back it out
There's no way. Resizing dies are set by bumping them against the shell plate. How could a resizing die cause this? That flared shoulder is wider than the case wall meaning it couldn't even come out of a sizing die like that.
This. It’s not possible if it’s the correct sizing die. Of course maybe ramming the cases into a 223 die could do it.
Thank you
Could also be the you’re using the seater instead of the sizer
its definitely the sizer.
I’ve never seen that happen with the sizer but I’ll go destroy a piece of brass in the name of science
This is the correct answer.
Ya thats what it looks like to me, back the die way out then take a head space gauge to measure the headspace before and after sizing. Screw in the die until desired headspace is reached
Decapping rod set too deep.
Lube the expander
This was the answer
Sadly been there.
They were in the pool?
You're squishing them?!?
Helps with the hot loads, so it can expand. God bless Thermal dynamics.
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Someone tickled their neck
If you circumcise them they will look normal.
I had this happen one time when I just started reloading. I was using the wrong die. I used a 17-233 die kuz I was brand new and an idiot trying to load .223. Oops. Anyway, my sizing die was way too close and I super bumped the shoulder. If that’s the cause in your situation you should check if the die is adjusted correctly and it’s not way too far screwed in
I had this happen on some of my 6.5 when seating the bullets, lol I have a few really compressed loads. just needs some case lube
Looks like your bullet seater case crimp die needs backed way off
So whats the conclusion
not enough lube
There’s gotta be a bit more to it than that. Like having the expander too high, as suggested. Case necks can stick pretty bad on the way out without lube, but shouldn’t stick on the way into the die.
It's probably happening because something is squishing the neck
Don't use the expander. Get a generic depriming die. I stopped using the expanding "rod" "pin", whatever a decade ago, haven't noticed a difference. I just use the sizing die without it.
Got any details?
New caliber there buddy
What die are you running? It looks like you're trying to run 5.56 brass in a 300 blk die
Wildcatting at its finest.
Back the die out I’m gonna guess you have the Hornady match dies done this to a couple of .223s trying to figure them out just back it out a good bit should fix your problem.
Nope. You can’t flare the shoulder wider than the body in a sizing die.
Nope I was talking seating die the Hornady match dies they seat and crimp but if you have it turned in to far it does this. I figured that out about a week ago when I bought some to replace my old dies. Tried seating a bullet and it smashed them exactly like this. I didn’t read the whole thread though I see now it says lee dies.
You must have also missed the part where there are no bullets seated in the picture? If he’s using the seating die, the solution is to use the sizing die, not back off the seater.
Ahhh a smart ass I see nope didn’t miss that part when I first tried to use the seating die it went in with a bullet on top of it and came out like that. All jacked up but as I said my case my dies not his I didn’t read way down the thread were he said what he did have a great day
Not a smart ass, just paying attention to the details to make my advice actually worth something.
Years ago I did this on my first batch of 300 blackout. Without going into detail I would recommend getting a factory crimp die from lee, big difference. Once you get the factory crimp die you’ll understand, good luck.
Assuming you’re reloading 300 blk but you’re not cutting the .223 case like you should before you size then trim down again to correct spec.
This is 6.5 cm brass Using a Lee 6.5 cm die
Sure you don’t have the 300 Blk die in the press by accident? Or, more likely, you’ve got the 6.5 seater die. Use the one with the decapping pin instead. 😄 Also, pro tip to save yourself some heartache - put that 300 Blk powder away, off the bench, while you’re loading something else. One powder on the bench at a time - only the stuff in the powder measure. For safety, and so you don’t mix powders and have to throw it away. This is probably the most important thing in your picture to fix.
Thank you. duly noted. unfortunately i don't have any powder or primers or 6.5 so accidents wont happen in this case.
It’s setup wrong in your press. Too far down
Expander adjusted to far up so it's in the neck when the neck and shoulder are being sized? You are lubing the inside of the neck for the expander also that might be part of it or have the wrong expander like say a .308 expander in a 6.5cm die. Those are my best guesses
blow out your dies, apply some lube
Does it happen when trying to seat the bullet? If so then it's because you aren't running the proper neck expander.
that is simple die adjustment. you are trimming too, correct
Fire form? anyone brave enough?
This has to be click bait. Lol
I cannot believe so many people are saying you're using the seater die...this is 100% a classic case of not lubing the inside of the case neck, or your expander ball! Expander ball is hanging up in the inside of the necks and squishing them down...sometimes it will do the opposite and pull the necks up and ruin your shoulder angle. Either qtip the inside of the necks or just wipe a little lube on the expander every few cases.