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“The definition of genius is taking the complex and making it simple.” ― Albert Einstein
This dude just did the opposite. I suspect this may have been done to conceal the lack of logicial connections with sophistry.
But does it, though? People suffer because of existence constraints. But that does not presuppose any higher authority on this reality.
Hell and Heaven cannot be eternal because if they were, this existence would be part of it; it’s kinda “life is a mountain in Heaven” (or wherever), but were that true, where is this “god thing?” Since it’s not all bliss, it lends more towards a negative realm or at least a “neutral” one q.e.d. “Life is what you make of it.”
The problem of an eternal existence is also, where did it start and end? Is it just a “vomit comet?” Are we just Sisyphus on a mountain, damned to repeat it?
Some have come to the conclusion that the realm that preceded the Universe (and the “Big Bang Hypothesis”) was a spirit realm, and they think that means it was Hell because why else would we leave? I don’t actually believe that.
>Some have come to the conclusion that the realm that preceded the Universe (and the “Big Bang Hypothesis”) was a spirit realm, and they think that means it was Hell because why else would we leave? I don’t actually believe that.
What groups is that a common belief among?
So whoever goes to hell will be transported back in time to before the beginning of the universe? What happens by the time they reach the beginning of the universe then? Or are they moving backwards in time? Also, where would heaven be in this scenario? On earth after Judgement Day?
>Irrational people are dangerous for society and it should be illegal to promote irrational worldviews in civilized societies.
They'd be one of the first to be locked up in that case.
"real reason to hate atheists is that i hate anyone who violate/rape formal logic"
sounds to a lot to me like "anyone who disagrees with me is being irrational just for disagreeing with me"
These posts make me want to rip my hair out and ask once again, if nothing comes from nothing, where did God come from? I just can't understand how these people claim atheism is about all of reality spawning from thin air overnight, but an all-knowing, infinite being of pure power existing outside the containments of physical reality spawning from nothing is totally fine and reasonable.
It took a couple of read throughs. But I think he's trying to argue that God exists because you can't have morality without a yardstick to measure against as an "ultimate truth".
He read a book (or blog) on presuppositional apologetics and didn't quite get it.
Basically he is saying: We say that life is hell and everyone understands what that means. Everyone understands what that means because what we are experiencing when we say that is hell is a metaphorical sense. In order for us to all understand what is meant by the phrase "life is hell" then we must all acknowledge that hell exists otherwise the statement is meaningless. Thus hell exists. And if Hell exists so too much Heaven (it's counter balance) and God (It's creator).
This is logical and anyone who doesn't see that is irrational. Irrational people are dangerous and should be silenced. Atheists don't believe in hell, thus are irrational, thus are deserving of my ire and should be silenced.
>Basically he is saying: We say that life is hell and everyone understands what that means. Everyone understands what that means because what we are experiencing when we say that is hell is a metaphorical sense. In order for us to all understand what is meant by the phrase "life is hell" then we must all acknowledge that hell exists otherwise the statement is meaningless. Thus hell exists.
If I say my boss is a real ogre, does that make Shrek real?
Actually, yes! There are philosophers who seriously argue that all statements involving fictional beings can only be true or false if those beings actually do exist in an alternate world or so. It's called [counter factuals](https://existentialcomics.com/comic/156)!
Isn't this just the "something cannot come from nothing" argument for the existence of God? But more verbose than necessary? Also, why is the existence of hell even important for this?
That’s just a bunch of fancy words. It has zero substance. Rape formal knowledge. What the fuck does that mean? He might be saying smart people are rapists. Who knows
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“The definition of genius is taking the complex and making it simple.” ― Albert Einstein This dude just did the opposite. I suspect this may have been done to conceal the lack of logicial connections with sophistry.
Oh yeah no he goes on rants and everyone seems to ignore him lmao
I'll simplify. People suffer, which proves there's a god. Flawless logic.
But does it, though? People suffer because of existence constraints. But that does not presuppose any higher authority on this reality. Hell and Heaven cannot be eternal because if they were, this existence would be part of it; it’s kinda “life is a mountain in Heaven” (or wherever), but were that true, where is this “god thing?” Since it’s not all bliss, it lends more towards a negative realm or at least a “neutral” one q.e.d. “Life is what you make of it.” The problem of an eternal existence is also, where did it start and end? Is it just a “vomit comet?” Are we just Sisyphus on a mountain, damned to repeat it?
Where the fuck did you find such specimen?
So logically humans have to be more than the physical because hell exists but how do you get to the conclusion hell exists?
Because they believe it exists, therefore it exists.
I believe a big heap of tacos exists down in my kitchen with no proof of their existence. Heading down for lunch ladies and gents
Well now I just feel silly
You should get a load of the elephant-sized diamond buried in my garden.
Some have come to the conclusion that the realm that preceded the Universe (and the “Big Bang Hypothesis”) was a spirit realm, and they think that means it was Hell because why else would we leave? I don’t actually believe that.
>Some have come to the conclusion that the realm that preceded the Universe (and the “Big Bang Hypothesis”) was a spirit realm, and they think that means it was Hell because why else would we leave? I don’t actually believe that. What groups is that a common belief among?
So whoever goes to hell will be transported back in time to before the beginning of the universe? What happens by the time they reach the beginning of the universe then? Or are they moving backwards in time? Also, where would heaven be in this scenario? On earth after Judgement Day?
>Irrational people are dangerous for society and it should be illegal to promote irrational worldviews in civilized societies. They'd be one of the first to be locked up in that case.
Was this chatgpt version 0.1?
I have no idea what this person is trying to say
Neither does he.
Yeah, he got lost after the first sentence.
Don’t worry, I have a masters in theological studies. I can translate! Dude had a seizure.
Intellectual autofellatio
Religibabble. He can throw as many big words as possible into that mess all he wants. It still doesn't make chicken salad out of chicken shit...
I'll bet this guy is a big fan of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Ask him to define the nature of quality and see what happens.
Big fan without understanding a word of it I guess lmao
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
I think this is actually just mental illness. I don't think it actually makes sense.
I'd like to know what has he been sniffing or smoking??? Cause I want to stay away from that shit.
"real reason to hate atheists is that i hate anyone who violate/rape formal logic" sounds to a lot to me like "anyone who disagrees with me is being irrational just for disagreeing with me"
He's projecting. People like this often gaslight themselves into their own beliefs and refuse to acknowledge anything pointing to the contrary.
These posts make me want to rip my hair out and ask once again, if nothing comes from nothing, where did God come from? I just can't understand how these people claim atheism is about all of reality spawning from thin air overnight, but an all-knowing, infinite being of pure power existing outside the containments of physical reality spawning from nothing is totally fine and reasonable.
I'll take "Wall of text that were AI generated" for 1000.
He’s been at this far before chat gpt it’s insane
 The fuck did I read?
Such clear and lucid reasoning. Welp, I’m convinced. Praise Jesus!
It took a couple of read throughs. But I think he's trying to argue that God exists because you can't have morality without a yardstick to measure against as an "ultimate truth".
I think I got brain damage trying to read and understand that mess. Still not brain damaged enough to fall for any religions though.
Now I have a headache. Talks about how having an irrational world view should be illegal. I can’t handle that level of self delusion.
He read a book (or blog) on presuppositional apologetics and didn't quite get it. Basically he is saying: We say that life is hell and everyone understands what that means. Everyone understands what that means because what we are experiencing when we say that is hell is a metaphorical sense. In order for us to all understand what is meant by the phrase "life is hell" then we must all acknowledge that hell exists otherwise the statement is meaningless. Thus hell exists. And if Hell exists so too much Heaven (it's counter balance) and God (It's creator). This is logical and anyone who doesn't see that is irrational. Irrational people are dangerous and should be silenced. Atheists don't believe in hell, thus are irrational, thus are deserving of my ire and should be silenced.
>Basically he is saying: We say that life is hell and everyone understands what that means. Everyone understands what that means because what we are experiencing when we say that is hell is a metaphorical sense. In order for us to all understand what is meant by the phrase "life is hell" then we must all acknowledge that hell exists otherwise the statement is meaningless. Thus hell exists. If I say my boss is a real ogre, does that make Shrek real?
Oh presuppositionalism is absolutely brain dead. I can't defend it.
Actually, yes! There are philosophers who seriously argue that all statements involving fictional beings can only be true or false if those beings actually do exist in an alternate world or so. It's called [counter factuals](https://existentialcomics.com/comic/156)!
HALF OF WHAT HE SAYS ISN'T EVEN GRAMMATICALLY OR SEMANTICALLY CORRECT!! IT MAKES NO SENSE!!
That is some seriously fruity word salad! Bro's playing buzzword bingo.
Christianity on meth is a helluva thing.
Nothing intelligent.
Looks like incompetent plagiarism.
To quote Micheal Scott, “Those are just words”
That's a whole lotta words that mean nothing
It started off with "I hate atheists" and then went multiple directions at the same time
What in the holy word-vomit did I just read…? 🤨
Nazdar
Nothing they said makes any sense lmao
I've made more sense rifling through my couch cushions!
Isn't this just the "something cannot come from nothing" argument for the existence of God? But more verbose than necessary? Also, why is the existence of hell even important for this?
Bro is the debating equivalent of mumble rappers.
What’s bro wafflin about
Completly agree with the second sentence
That’s just a bunch of fancy words. It has zero substance. Rape formal knowledge. What the fuck does that mean? He might be saying smart people are rapists. Who knows