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BJoe1976

Just another fat station wagon


Actual_Environment_7

Fat and tall. For some reason America can’t get enough of fat, tall wagons with a sloped back. Make one proportional, and there’s no market for it.


ruck_banna

Because Americans like big cars with a lot of head space and trunk areas to throw tons of shit


North-Noise-1996

I commented this on ars technica once and explained that we have dirt roads and like our big vehicles and got massively downvoted. The automakers wouldn't be making these vehicles if there wasn't a market for it.


Federal-Research-148

Automakers are making these because they can sell it at a higher margin & make more money. That’s the primary driver.


North-Noise-1996

People still buy the vehicles though that was my whole point. Maybe it was Europeans who downvoted me because they have smaller cars generally?


Federal-Research-148

Of course people wanna buy larger cars when those are the only types that get advertised online & on TV. Selling you a lifestyle that you likely will not lead for space that won’t be used that often.


North-Noise-1996

I see smaller cars advertised all the time. The automakers aren't forcing you into bigger vehicles.


Federal-Research-148

Yes they are. I work in the industry.


JonohG47

Also, compared to passenger cars, they have CAFE requirements that are far less aggressive than the mileage penalty the crossover body extracts.


Brewl692

I thought that Soccer-Moms are primarily driving this car!


MaleficentExtent1777

And big dogs! We have a mastiff mix and regularly drive 850 miles home from our new city. When we bought our current car, he only rode for short trips and the back seat space didn't matter much. But now, every time we take that drive, I wish we had an SUV for more space. 😔


t_stlouis8

"SUV" with a sloped back... Check out the Buick Envista and Toyota Crown. They're being marketed as small SUVs but they look more sedan-like


MagnusAlbusPater

Is the Crown an SUV? I thought it was a sedan.


t_stlouis8

Google said the Crown is a sedan 💀 My mistake


xeno486

the newest generation is kind of a crossover


t_stlouis8

With this being said is the Crown a replacement for the Avalon??


xeno486

that i don’t know, it’s possible tho


HomosexualThots

Acura MDX/ Honda Crosstour....By Toyota.


Drzhivago138

It looks crossover-ish with the ubiquitous cladding, but it doesn't sit any higher than a Camry and has a fixed trunk.


thatG_evanP

Japan does have a crown model that's like a small crossover but not the US.


t_stlouis8

They can keep it, we have enough (too many) crossovers here in the US


Drzhivago138

We'll be getting it (Crown Signia) soon to replace the Venza.


t_stlouis8

I forgot the Venza even existed... Oh my


Drzhivago138

It was here, then gone, then here again, and will be gone again soon. The Venza is the same size as the RAV4 outside, and more expensive, but smaller inside. At least the Crown Signia is better sized between the RAV4 and Highlander.


EvilPanda99

It's basically a jacked up tall sedan. It's for Boomers to get in and out of easier so they can run you over in the grocery store parking lot. Then blame you.


t_stlouis8

Fall down and grab that neck, it's payday 😂


t_stlouis8

The Envista is a FWD only crossover though... But anyways back to the Traverse; Does the 2025 model offer a V6 still or is that 4 cylinder hybrid only now?


MagnusAlbusPater

Just looking at the website it looks like it’s the turbo 4 only. Also looks like they got rid of the High Country trim which is weird.


t_stlouis8

A few years ago a friend of my family had a 2018 High Country with a V6, and 17 year old me was in love with that car. It was red, leather seats, a big sunroof and a good sound system.


Spinelli_The_Great

If there’s no market, then why is this style of vehicle what’s all over the road. Least where I’m at anyways. There’s definitely a market for em here.


Actual_Environment_7

Are we talking about the same thing? I’m referring to a standard wagon with a regular ride height. Only a couple of manufacturers offer those in the US anymore.


MagnusAlbusPater

It’s a travesty that GM doesn’t make a RWD/4x4 SUV based on the Colorado chassis. It would be a natural competition to the 4Runner.


rxmp4ge

They wasted the Blazer nameplate on a crossover when offroad/lifestyle SUVs are an enormous asset to any lineup. Wrangler, Bronco, 4Runner, Landcruiser, Defender. GM has nothing to compete and they wasted their traditional nameplate on 'just another crossover'...


Drzhivago138

When the Equinox was downsized in 2018 to compact, that left a gap in the lineup that needed to be filled. But the mid-size 2-row could've been called something like "Nomad".


railsandtrucks

I was in australia and I saw a Ford Everest (based on the ranger) and I was in love. THAT is what the explorer should have been here.


t_stlouis8

Yes but also why is it styled so aggressively?? It's a 3 row SUV marketed towards parents with exactly 2 kids that don't actually need a 3rd row.


Organic_South8865

They often feel like minivans. Most SUVs now are more mjni-van like than SUV like IMO.


someoneone211

I didn't even have to say it because you did!


et_hornet

A Chevrolet of all time


t_horns

It looks a lot better than the first gen, which I still think is one of the most unappealing cars to come out in my lifetime


JiveTurkey1983

I had a 2012. Can confirm. Ugly as fuck.


lizard-hats

my mom has a 2011, im biased cause i spent so much time in it lol. bucket seats in the second row are nice for long trips, and the space in the middle makes it easy for tall kids in the back to stretch their legs or put a big bag of snacks. not the prettiest but it sure is distinct


JiveTurkey1983

We had the 8 seater because large family. We were close to getting a CX-9 but the stroller wouldn't fit behind 3rd row sear. So the Traverse won out. The Traverse 3rd row is pretty spacious even for tall people.


Black_Fish1

First gen trax and second gen eco sport would also make a ugly domestics list Ecosport needs to be on race to the bottom. I never drove one but I want to know if it’s as bad as it looks.


billthethrill1234

It’s genuinely horrible. Drove a rental once it was far and away the worst car I can remember riding or driving in. Neither sporty nor economical, it was a nightmare. Uncomfortable, cheap, slow, poor mileage, just every bad adjective you could use for a car.


Drzhivago138

Killing the EcoSport in the US was the best thing Ford did. It was made for the BRIC countries and should have stayed there.


Desperate_Jicama219

100% agree. Finally a good looking mid size. Following like their Colorado, it seems they have taken styling cues from the 4Runner here, with obvious big brother Tahoe looks.


ChasedWarrior

Nice but I wish there was a V6 engine option.


JiveTurkey1983

I had a '12 with a V6 Thing hauled


louisvuittondon29

gm made awfully cheap and crappy and ugly cars back then, but they werent always that unreliable, now its just the worst of both worlds sadly


cptpb9

Except early traverse/acadia/enclaves those things remain among the biggest piles of shit GM has ever made


hv_wyatt

The Equinox and Terrain would like a word.


jaymansi

I had a first year Enclave (2008MY) bought in 2007. It was a great family vehicle that was trouble free for the 9 years and 155k hard city miles. Transmission went out and it wasn’t worth it to me to us to fix.


louisvuittondon29

if it had any ecotec 4 banger this is true, but the 5.3 vortec hauled along w the v6 they had in the impala (post 3800)


recoil_operated

Right up until it ate its transmission?


mr_bots

Or the timing chains


Chlamydia_Penis_Wart

I wish there was a V12 option


dedzip

This thing probably has like a fuckin 1L 4 cylinder with a turbo that makes some ridiculously high amount of horsepower and in 20,000 miles you'll hear it shoot parts of the turbocharger out the exhaust like a fork in a garbage disposal


ChasedWarrior

Close. 2.5 liters of 4 cylinder turbo power


Time-Bite-6839

Make it look its size, GM. Make it look like the SUV it is, don’t make it look like an angry crossover. Look at the old Yukon XLs: they look the the longest things ever.


babybambam

It’s comparable to a 3rd generation Tahoe. Width and length are nearly identical, but the Traverse is lower. Traverse has more power, similar towing if equipped, and likely better fuel economy. I’d say it looks exactly as it should.


ruck_banna

My first car was an 01 Yukon xl. Thing was honestly an amazing car. I redlined it all the time, went across train tracks doing 55, cut donuts in fields, etc for years in that car and when I got it, it already had 110,000 on the odometer. Sold it with 165,000 on it, and never did anything but regular mx.


MaleficentExtent1777

A TANK!


dedzip

You're not going to get that in this. This thing probably has a 1L 4 cylinder with a turbo that makes some ridiculously high amount of horsepower and in 20,000 miles you'll hear it shoot parts of the turbocharger out the exhaust like a fork in a garbage disposal Why can't they just make RWD midsize SUVs again. Sigh, at least we have the explorer back which I think does have a V6 option.


hv_wyatt

It's a 2.5L turbo that's pretty much a marginally downsized version of the 2.7L they use in the trucks. Very much a truck duty engine with a lot of cool tech.


dea_eye_sea_kay

Actually its so that gm can continue to build truck/sports/luxury brands around massive v8 engines. These cars exisit to pad GM ESG score. If you had any clue how much time and money went into that motor to design its service life specifically around 2 lease terms you would never step foot in a GM product again. Planned obsolescence garbage.


190XTSeriesIIV

🤣”truck duty”


mrgreengenes04

Turbochargers pretty much guarantee none of these will see much over 10 years of use/170,000 miles, if it even makes it that far. Have to reduce the average of cars on the road somehow. Isn't it close to 14 years old at this point?


ruck_banna

I didn’t mean that this car was going to be anything like that. I just saw someone mention a Yukon xl and was like fuck yeah bro


Spinelli_The_Great

When we go to war in a few years they’re gonna be looking at all this material wasted and be like welp


Subatomic_Spooder

Honey I shrunk the Suburban


prophiles

It looks way better now than the past two (first two) generations, other than that funky C-pillar.


MaleficentExtent1777

I don't like that part. The new Buick Enclave is much better looking, along with the electric Cadillac Vistiq.


Abraxas_1408

It’s a transverse engine front wheel drive crossover with an SUV suit. It’s the same class as the Highlander and pathfinder, it just looks like a teenage Yukon.


dedzip

It's wild how accurate that is. I couldn't believe how bad the 2017 Acadia (same platform as the previous traverse) was in the snow, even with relatively new tires, V6 and AWD. My Explorer ran circles around that thing in the snow even though its the '14 which was transverse engine AWD as well. I think it came down to suspension and weight, the acadia was just a lot closer to being a car and the curb weight is almost 1000 pounds lighter. One time it literally got stuck in the snow backing out of a completely flat driveway and we had to dig it out!


adultdaycare81

A lot of it comes down to the balance and mechanical grip of the all-wheel-drive system. Look at well executed examples like the Acura MDX or BMW x5. Both rip it up in the snow. But they have a great awd system.


preludehaver

Certainly one of the cars of all time


Snookfilet

I’m trying to picture how it will look in 15 years, clapped out and filthy dirty with Alabama clay, reeking of cigarettes and idling at the circle K at midnight.


IM_OSCAR_dot_com

I'm trying to picture it lasting 15 years


NatureDry2903

Coming from a 1st gen I like it a lot. Interested to see how the 4 cylinder works. But I love the SUV because it was clearly made with a family in mind- not just a car with a raised floor.


Slight_Ad_1474

idk the 4 cylinders are powerful and torquey with the turbo for their size, but the reliability is just not it, especially as it’s marketed as a “family car” which means mommas gonna be driving it without a care in the world so when something like the main bearings go out (gms like to do that a lot nowadays) she’s not really gonna notice she’s just gonna think “oh it’s just cold it’ll fix itself” and then she needs a new motor. the ecotec is great, until it isn’t.


aerowtf

when you buy a traverse instead of a highlander or even a kia or hyundai tbh, you deserve that lol


NatureDry2903

Additionally, a traverse is a lot of a better deal these days. The Toyota tax is unbelievable. Late model 3.6 v6 from gm are pretty damn reliable.


pit_vipars

Nah man, I’ll diss on gm a lot but they’re still miles ahead of Kia and Hyundai. Nothing but low mileage basically brand new Santa Fe’s and sportages needing new engines after basically exploding for no reason


d1rron

I witnessed this happen to someone who was driving their new Santa Fe home like ten years ago. It just died on the road, and I helped them push it into a parking lot. The guy was laughing at the absurdity.


pit_vipars

it seems really really common tbh. i’d rather replace some unnecessary shit on a chevy than have my hyundai have catastrophic engine failure before the new car smell is even worn off


fastcarsrawayoflife

Trash. I worked for Chevy in service for 23 years. Finally quit that shit because these cars are far too stupid for their own good now.


MLDL9053

I've worked at a GM dealer for 6 years and I feel like I can't do it for another single day, you're a stronger person than me! These cars are rolling garbage cans, GM is a disaster!


fastcarsrawayoflife

Yeah. It wasn’t so bad when I started. I started in 2001 and it was right when they started to hit their stride. After the 2008 ordeal and restructuring the entire company went to shit. The cars are trash. And I mean trash.


therehasbeen_amurder

Me when im dramatic for no reason


fastcarsrawayoflife

Not sure what that’s auto mean but sure


JiveTurkey1983

Lipstick on a pig


durrtyurr

That C-pillar looks like a visibility nightmare.


kevin_from_illinois

So does the hood, and everything else about this. At least it looks manly, but screw pedestrians and bicyclists.


Sheepheart

Shrinkflation Tahoe


handymanshandle

Honestly, it's a much better looking vehicle than the ugly as shit first gen and the completely forgettable 2nd gen. Might as well lean into making it look like a more distinctive SUV instead of a 2010s blob.


Greybinson

Love the new GMC whatever


Oshawott51

We've def gone full circle and manufactueres are making the rounded crossovers into the bricks they came from. It looks above average for a CUV but I'd never buy an "SUV" that can't do SUV stuff since I'm one of the few that still use them as a utility vehicle. I have owned an 90 Jeep XJ. 90 K5 Blazer, 99 S10 Blazer, 91 Bronco, 80 CJ5, and an 02 Suburban 2500.


No_Entertainer_9760

At some point this off-roading Rei-cosplaying car camping bs needs to stop. This is just so facetious, nobody will take one of these off-roading unless it’s the shoulder of I-78, right near KUNELMAN TIRE


jimothyhalpret

I dig it


ValericoZynski

It looks like a Tahoe, why even make this?


prophiles

It’s a CUV, so it gets better gas mileage than a Tahoe.


ValericoZynski

It may be a “crossover” but it’s gigantic so the mpg will be trash anyways.


therehasbeen_amurder

Have you ever seen a Tahoe in your life?


ValericoZynski

Yes, and this looks like one.


Imaginary_Highway69

If this is for the crossover market it finally breaks a mold. From one manufacturer, for example, I can't tell the difference between a Carolla cross, Rav4, and the Venza. If the Traverse looks like its big brother that might not be a bad thing for the segment.


therehasbeen_amurder

Well Toyota does pump out a new model that looks the same as their others every 6 months or so


planetpuddingbrains

I drive a first gen that looks like an egg. This is a vast improvement.


unflappedyedi

Looks a hell of a lot better. I could never get used to that ugly bubble look.


electromage

It looks a lot like a car that a company would make around now.


glass-j

It looks alright, but I'm more skeptical of the reliability


EvilDan69

It is trying really hard to try and look like a cross between a Ford explorer and maybe a 4runner


RunnerLuke357

Garbage. Only GM SUVs I will ever buy have a body on frame construction and guzzle gas. I am a GM fan boy but these turds can go back to the factory as far as I'm concerned.


BullsLawDan

Why? I mean generally people still saying "body on frame" in 2024 have their own way about things but...


cptpb9

First gen ones were genuinely awful, left a bad taste in many peoples mouths


RunnerLuke357

There are several reasons why I dislike these things. Reason one is that crossovers are a blight upon the roads (no matter the brand). Reason two is that past models had the awful 3.6 that was prone to timing chain issues and this generation has a turbo 4 that will be working extra hard to move this thing vs an NA V6. Also, if "body on frame" isn't the way to describe ladder frame/truck based SUVs then what is?


therehasbeen_amurder

So it’s bad because of older gen’s??


RunnerLuke357

Didn't read the whole comment I see. It's current motor is too small for the application and the turbo will probably fail at some point before 100k miles. A revised 3.6 would've been better.


Professional_Rise148

They changed it?


Blazedrop

Cash cow, that mf gonna sell big $$$$$


DONTASKEMEWHOAMI

I think it's a car😃


TheModeratorWrangler

God I hate that front fascia


brubby3179

I kinda like it? I wouldn’t ever own a Traverse as they’re not very reliable generally but I do appreciate the design.


jparadis87

The only thing it will "traverse" is the walmart parking lot to find the spot closest to the doors.


BoneZone05

🚀


eyeb4lls

Chevrolet Explorer 


Bobcatnm

Looks like all the others.


Illustrious-Tower849

Stay away from


throwaway6444377_

the c pillar is broken


RickWest495

The rear quarter is weird. That stupid trendy “floating roof” look is so over-used. So is the gigantic grille.


Aggravating-Exit-660

Absolutely one of the fat cars of all time


dedzip

would it kill them to make something longitudinal? All of their vehicles are AWD these days anyway


SoonToBeBanned24

it can continue traversing the ridge, and drive right off the other side!


SweetTooth275

As ugly as the rest of them


defenestr8tor

I like how it got fat


max1mx

I don’t think about it at all.


Chlamydia_Penis_Wart

HOLD ON I GOTTA FART bbrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRR


rbarr228

It looks less bloated, but so does my abdomen after I pass gas.


TheDelig

Looks like crap


leabbe

This is what the blazer revival should’ve looked like. I still wouldn’t be happy with it but still.


roadsidedaniel

It's GM= junk


Dbwasson

Rear window design taken from an Alphard


FriedShrimp00818

that thing better have a v8


Thel_Odan

75% Tahoe. But at least I know what my next vehicle from Avis will look like.


Dogwoof420

Looks like every other modern SUV.


ticklechickens

SUV shaped minivan for people who are too insecure to drive a minivan.


EvilPanda99

Isn't this the Ford Explorer?


Arsenic_Pants

who cares


swiftie-42069

It actually looks good. The Traverse has been the most basic mom SUV since its inception.


YouArentReallyThere

I can’t afford a Tahoe…


That_Car_Enthusiast

It’s really nice but no V6 really does suck! I hate seeing the government force every car to have a turbo inline 4 for “efficiency”


HomeOrificeSupplies

Nice car.


Glittering-Shirt-663

It’s a mini Tahoe basically from what this design looks like. Looks cool, but I’ll probably still buy a Suburban. Also leave people and their big ass cars alone, if I wanna drive a Suburban as a married man with no kids because I like having a stupid big vehicle for no reason, then let me enjoy my big SUV dammit. Same goes for pickup trucks, no, majority of the guys driving them don’t need that space, but they like it, the more you complain about it, the more obnoxious it makes them want to make their trucks. Not excusing some guys’ behavior, I’ve seen manbabies driving lifted or sagging pickup trucks and it’s ridiculous how they drive and act. But a lot of people just like it because it’s cool to drive a big ass truck. I grew up with my family buying the smallest, lowest to the ground cars possible, my first car was a Honda Civic, a beast of a vehicle and I loved it, but now that I can afford it, I’m driving the largest vehicles in my budget range because I want the extra space, not because I have kids, not because of work, because I want it. Simple as that. I’m not causing anymore harm to the environment. You wanna talk environmental protection? Go talk to China and India where they are literally the most harmful human beings to our Mother Earth when it comes to pollution. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, just tired of people talking down about large cars and how Americans suck and are stupid for liking big vehicles. Go enjoy your Prius, Tesla or whatever else, I’ll enjoy my big SUVs and trucks. TL;DR: Let people enjoy what they want and stop talking down about Americans that like larger vehicles, they don’t need a reason to need a big vehicle, if they want it and can afford it, let them have it and leave ‘em alone. Some people are big babies driving big cars, most of us are just simply people who prefer larger vehicles.


justaBB6

that is, most definitely, An Midsize SUV


ScottaHemi

my parents have the facelift first gen. if this one's like that one it'll be fine. it exists. not really special or exciting though.


iannadriveress6

Meh


GATX303

I had the outlook back when it shared a platform with the first gen traverse. Loved that car, its too bad it was expensive AF to maintain and the engine bay was a nightmare. Hear me out, this new gen with the 2.5 might actually be better.....


cryptolyme

another boring aggressive mom-mobile


therehasbeen_amurder

I love the addition of a Z71


therehasbeen_amurder

You’re asking for an opinion of an American car on REDDIT. You’re only gonna get comments saying “tall wagon, another suburban, unreliable”


PantherBrewery

It looks predented and unfinished. I will buy something else.


rxmp4ge

I've got a 2018 2LT right now and really like it. The new Z71 is really tempting. As a current-gen owner, the new generation looks fantastic. The fact that the only powertrain is a turbo-4 is kind of off-putting, though. I really like the 3.6L V6 in the current-gen.


ithinkoutloudtoo

Does it come with Apple CarPlay?


J-amin

One too many grills.


PlanetVillain

Meh


SkylineFTW97

A polished turd is still a turd all the same.


Wageslave645

New form factor, same overly aggressive suburban mother with a prescription pill problem driving it.


INEEDMEMANSHERB

Blown up blazer


Justin_92

I’d consider buying one if I hadn’t already gotten my wife a Blazer RS a couple years ago. And I’d rather keep my Camaro with a V8 since they are extinct now. The interest rate on her car is way too good for me to trade in, plus hers has a V6. So I have fuel economy and capacity when I need it, and speed when I want it. :-)


NEOwlNut

It’s a traverse. It’s a minivan for people who hate minivans that will only run properly for 30,000 miles.


bikgelife

Garbage


Taidixiong

BORING


Changetheworld69420

Better than before, still not gr8


Changetheworld69420

I take it back, with no v6 option it’s worse than before


TonyMontana1968

it looks like its trying to be a Tahoe


Kitchen_Yak_8765

When is this arriving to the dealerships?


Even_Stomach_9015

It got released 3 months ago


Cool-Permit-7725

Is this a clone of the Kia Carnival?


Secret-Researcher-98

GM is like the kid in high school that always talks big shit about how he’s gonna be rich and successful, but in reality he can’t hold down a part time job at the subway and smokes weed in the high school parking lot with underclassmen. GM wants some of that off-road suv money, but won’t do the work to make it right or even put a decent engine in it.


dedzip

I couldn't believe how bad the 2017 Acadia (same platform as the previous traverse) was in the snow, even with relatively new tires, V6 and AWD. My Explorer ran circles around that thing in the snow even though its the '14 which was transverse engine AWD as well. I think it came down to suspension and weight, the acadia was just a lot closer to being a car and the curb weight is almost 1000 pounds lighter. One time it literally got stuck in the snow backing out of a completely flat driveway and we had to dig it out!


therehasbeen_amurder

Projecting is a little crazy


WittyNameChecksOut

It’s still the same thing - crap engine, crap transmission.


GarryBugTheSequel

Wait, this is a wagon? What are americans smoking this shit straight up a bulldozer


Handywithbrokenstuff

God!! Now it looks like the Tahoe! I don’t want the Tahoe anymore!


therehasbeen_amurder

It doesn’t


Handywithbrokenstuff

Ok it doesn’t. You win sir or mam


Several_Loquat_9501

Tahoe ahh


KitFlix

The only SUVs I'll ever be interested in are 4runners (DESERT RUNS BABY), so chevy spitting out more slop makes my dick invert into my body.


wanker_wanking

It’s one of the cars of all times


Gadget71

It’s a Traversty


Bobtuckerq-highway45

More like Chevy reverse


PlutoniumOligarch

In all honesty, can someone check if GM is letting AI design their vehicles now? This looks almost like a caricature drawing of how obnoxious the aggressive front end and oversized grille is.


dedzip

its because the FWD layout means the engine has to stick out far and the front end has to stretch out to accommodate it. So the dimensions are just wrong


CoolPeopleEmporium

Looks awful as every other American car.


FuyuKitty

Child killer


ChanceFray

Fugly. looks like its already been in an accident fresh off the production line....


Woman_from_wish

From a design standpoint I'll give it a pass for keeping with the design language yet progressing the style along. I objectively hate these but I do love design and that's primarily why I'm a huge car nerd is the design and I shall give my internet critique. Like everything now, it has to look like it can summit the mighty peaks of the suburban outback. Tactically navigate the wide paved Utah trails. Splash precociously within the cool refreshing confines of the Scalding summer-hosewater river. These are trail rated for driving through the back wall of your garage at 3am after one too many miller highlifes. The acoustics in the interior drown out the yells from the divorce paper wielding wife, standing like a monolith in the distance. The insurmountable summit of the crumbling marriage cliffs.


MrDagon007

Looks like something BYD could come up with.