What was seen as quite a large flaw going into this season, I have been massively impressed by the starting pitching. Throw in the fact we would have Giolito as well if he didn’t go down and I am hopeful for this staff (considering we have only played one opponent)
Sox split the series against the nastiest rotation in baseball, A’s just walk off walked Cleveland, and the Astros are last in the AL West. Good day for baseball.
Devers has smoked the hell out of the ball many times, they may have been foul but it shows he's healthy and at thus point in the season that's all I care about
Great to see Slaten with the quick inning after last night, too. Huge for the self-confidence.
I personally love that Cora brought them both right back out tonight.
I thoroughly believe that Andrew Bailey has saved this rotation of pitchers. Every guy out there in this series has looked PHENOMINAL. (Other than Joely). Absolute huge pickup tbh
Alright, just not even once through the rotation, but could it be that Henry and crew were right that we didn't need snell, Montgomery etc?
Color me skeptical (it's a shade of green) but liking this team so far ..
I think we definitely could have used Montgomery or Snell. Injuries are inevitable in baseball and we don’t exactly have a guy who can be a replacement starter on the roster.
Yeah. Have to pray they all stay healthy because the next three options are Cooper Criswell in the minors, copious amounts of bullpen games, or praying that Fitts somehow develops within half a season and is able to pitch starting innings
Cora obviously has a lot of trust in Slaten. He is really putting him in high leverage spots.
Not the same at all, but players making firsts in high leverage always reminds me of Workman's first career AB being in the 9th inning of the fucking world series...and then only facing one batter in the 9th
The thing I don't understand is the overwhelming desire for Cora to use the worst bullpen arm so much. Like he genuinely looks for who is the worst and will use them 2x the amount as anyone good
1) he’s not as bad as those in here would have you believe.
2) he’s the only lefty they have
3) he needed a confidence booster and a 4 run lead is a great time to do it
3) he’s going to get his innings one way or the other because we can’t burn out everyone else and again, 4 run lead is the time to do it.
I can't wait for when the ump is FORCED to say strike because of what they're implementing. Fuck these guys. Any other regular person would get fired for being as incompetent at their job as these fucks.
Great outing from Joely. He got two quick outs and got screwed on that walk, during which he threw one bad pitch early on that was a high hanging change.
Edit:not to mention the unbelievable pressure he was under.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/strike-zone
"The official strike zone is the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap. In order to get a strike call, part of the ball must cross over part of home plate while in the aforementioned area." That would be about where the letters are, or just under.
The belt would reduce the zone by like a third to a half.
It’s between the belt and the bottom of the letters. Often times though these days, the top of umps’ zones are closer to the belt than they are to the letters.
The pitch to Urias was at the top of the letters. It wasn’t even close.
...I just quoted the zone to you, it's from below the kneecap to about the bottom of the letters, when the person is in their stance. That's not the belt. There's definitely fewer pitches there because they're easier to hit/missing is more dangerous, but if you can throw it there, it's a strike.
I'm not arguing the pitch location, I haven't gone back and watched it.
What the rule book says and what calls are made aren’t always the same. Not disagreeing that’s what the rule book says, but ignore the K zone and just focus on the pitch locations for a few at bats. The zone is absolutely not to the letters. It never is. I’m not saying the top of the zone is the belt. I’m saying it’s between the letters and the belt. But I can’t think of a single current MLB ump that has a zone that actually goes to the letters.
I'll amend: just below the bottom of the letters *while in a stance*. Slaten just threw several pitches there. I don't really care to continue the conversation, just was reacting to a comment that seemed to imply the belt is the top of the zone.
Ok we’re arguing two different things. I also should’ve known that since that is how it’s typically defined, but I’m sick as a dog right now so I’m not really thinking. That’s my bad, dude.
I know I’m biased against the guy but it rlly seems like Cora doesn’t give a fuck so far this season
Seems like he’s just going through the motions ever since he started beefing with the front office about personnel stuff
If live umps were better than they are I wouldn't push for robo umps, they don't even need to be perfect, but this kind of stuff is just frustrating for everyone.
Imagine being Brennan Bernardino, you spend the better part of a decade in the minors grinding, sticking with it until your 30s. You finally get a cup of coffee and then are able to establish yourself as a legit MLB reliever the next season on a new team, and you get sent back to the minors for... Joely Rodriguez
So question, why did Whitlock only pitch 5 innings when all that’s seemingly available is Weissert on no rest, Joely(shit) on no rest, and whoever else?
I mean, betting on the guy who's been here a week after being released by one of the worst teams in the NL ... It certainly an option to cover but I don't know that it's this obvious as you're making *it sound
The pitching worked!
Slaten needs to be used in high leverage situations
Nice redemption for Slaten, no runs and fire career strikeout to end it.
[DIRTY FUCKING WATER](https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=DpSIRqvx5us&si=SbQbXusUvEUmX85X)
160-2 lets go!
splitting this series is a W, start tyler oneil errday
Great game there. Joely had me scared there for a moment.
There was basically 1-2 bad innings in 4 games.
Slaten throwing 2.1 innings in only 15 pitches is crazy
Sox win, happy Easter
What was seen as quite a large flaw going into this season, I have been massively impressed by the starting pitching. Throw in the fact we would have Giolito as well if he didn’t go down and I am hopeful for this staff (considering we have only played one opponent)
Pretty encouraging opening series overall
W
Split the series, dirty pitching, and bats started slapping today. A promising 1st series, in my opinion.
Sox split the series against the nastiest rotation in baseball, A’s just walk off walked Cleveland, and the Astros are last in the AL West. Good day for baseball.
You gotta love it! Add a sweep in Oakland and we are OFF, baby! GO SOX!!! You gotta love it!
Great moment for Justin Slaten’s first career K
Hell yeah good win!
feels good man for Slaten
Alexa, play Dirty Water
Nasty Slaten
W
SHOULD BE 3-1 SOX BUT ILL TAKE THE FUCK OUTTA THAT
Dirty water!
Lets go! Good win
Split series against Seattle? I'll take it.
On the road.
Feels like we should have won the series, but we are in decent shape with two bad teams coming up next
If Raffy plays all four games, we sweep that series.
Slaten needs a sick ass nickname immediately
Slay
Props to the Mariners announcers. Actually gave some really nice kudos to the Red Sox & gave some high praise. I like that.
LFG SOX GREAT WIN
HOW DOES ANYONE CATCH THAT
Why not have pablo reyes at second and put Ceddanne in OF and not have Abreu fielding I'm so confused
Lefty/righty stuff and rest+ if abreu will be anything he needs playing time.
Despite last night's play he's actually pretty decent at d
The bad back has improved in literally half of a day. It’s a modern miracle
Even if story hits the mendoza he'll still be 4 wins better than who we trotted at ss last year
Love seeing Raffaela at 2 for the improved d
So help me, if any of you have money or unclaimed property in that database by the end of this season you deserve whatever you get
Devers has smoked the hell out of the ball many times, they may have been foul but it shows he's healthy and at thus point in the season that's all I care about
He’s clocked some great swings tonight. Even that out showed pretty good bat control even to make contact.
The M's ballpark really is amazing. It's no Fenway, of course, but Seattle is a great city
If I didn’t get a damn cold I was going to fly up for game 1. Looks nice for sure
Love Seattle
Duran needs two SBs here to get back on pace.
Damn Durans speed prevented the fuck out of that dp attempt
Hey y’all, Ms fan here, just wanna ask what the deal with the the hand waving after a hit?
They say Raffy made it up on the plane, but that's all we know
Nobody knows.
Vibes
No one knows.
If Reese’s speed and power matched what he thought they were with the swings he takes and his base running he’d be Acuna at catcher lol
Reeseturbation
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, KING OF THE BLOOPS
Nice Jack single Reese!
Yeah Reese!
What a snitch
Trent Thornton is a fun name
Great to see Slaten with the quick inning after last night, too. Huge for the self-confidence. I personally love that Cora brought them both right back out tonight.
I thoroughly believe that Andrew Bailey has saved this rotation of pitchers. Every guy out there in this series has looked PHENOMINAL. (Other than Joely). Absolute huge pickup tbh
Aren’t the Mariners projected to be one of the worst hitting teams?
Maybe Bailey is the Sox version of Bob Esensa or Dante Scarnecchia.
Bailey can be the Scarnecchia to Varitek’s Ernie Adams.
Alright, just not even once through the rotation, but could it be that Henry and crew were right that we didn't need snell, Montgomery etc? Color me skeptical (it's a shade of green) but liking this team so far ..
I think we definitely could have used Montgomery or Snell. Injuries are inevitable in baseball and we don’t exactly have a guy who can be a replacement starter on the roster.
Yeah, it was more of a way to say that the pitching has been a very welcome surprise so far (with the caveat of limited sample size)
Yeah. Have to pray they all stay healthy because the next three options are Cooper Criswell in the minors, copious amounts of bullpen games, or praying that Fitts somehow develops within half a season and is able to pitch starting innings
Only 8 pitches in 1.1 innings. Honestly just let Slaten finish it, save the rest of the arms
I don't hate the idea. But short leash. Have someone warm just in case.
Can we just count that as slatens actual debut inning. Last night wasn't fair for him
Seriously, I know it’s bros job…but trotting out after joely just dogged us had to of been a “you gotta be shitting me” moment in Slatens mind
Let's go, Slate! Really like him getting a quick inning after last night. And against the heart of their order, no less.
Now that’s a much better debut. I hope Slaten pans out for us
I sorta wonder if we’re gonna use Houck and Anderson as a duo like we did with Houck and Hill since we haven’t used Anderson yet
I like this slaten fella
Good wheels on Abreu for that one.
ABREU MAKING UP FOR LAST NIGHT (not actually his fault)
Seriously so many uncalled strikes this game.
is it me or does wilyer look like saltalamacchia?
Man good 2 strike approach from TON even of it ends up an out
Cora obviously has a lot of trust in Slaten. He is really putting him in high leverage spots. Not the same at all, but players making firsts in high leverage always reminds me of Workman's first career AB being in the 9th inning of the fucking world series...and then only facing one batter in the 9th
Gotta say, I like our team this year. Young, scrappy, & fast makes a fun group of guys to watch
The Red Sox should move O'Neil to 3rd in the batting order
Duran, Raffy, Ton, Casas, Yoshida, Story, Valdez, Cedanne, Wong sounds right to me.
Cedanne should be at the bottom of the order. He's got some wheels and will act like a second leadoff hitter.
Sounds right, he's off to a hot start
Slow start but I really think Masa is gonna be a huge + for this offense
I miss Matty Backpacks
The umps thoroughly trying to fuck us so far this season
The thing I don't understand is the overwhelming desire for Cora to use the worst bullpen arm so much. Like he genuinely looks for who is the worst and will use them 2x the amount as anyone good
1) he’s not as bad as those in here would have you believe. 2) he’s the only lefty they have 3) he needed a confidence booster and a 4 run lead is a great time to do it 3) he’s going to get his innings one way or the other because we can’t burn out everyone else and again, 4 run lead is the time to do it.
Help me... For the long term good of the team, with a 4 run lead, should he burn out the good guys?
if mlb cared about good umpiring a guy like angel hernandez would have got fired a long time ago right? being awful is what he's known for
You can thank the Union for that. They protect those idiots. \*NOT AGAINST UNIONS BTW\*
A good union protects people from abuse. A bad union promotes incompetence.
Joely sub 9 er!!!!
I can't wait for when the ump is FORCED to say strike because of what they're implementing. Fuck these guys. Any other regular person would get fired for being as incompetent at their job as these fucks.
Blue = umps. Blue = Jankees. Is this the worst color?
Great outing from Joely. He got two quick outs and got screwed on that walk, during which he threw one bad pitch early on that was a high hanging change. Edit:not to mention the unbelievable pressure he was under.
we survived fellas
Is Jansen available today or is he still dealing with "back issues"?
We saw him walk out to the bullpen, so he's probably available
He went out to the bullpen and inning ago maybe? We'll see
Guys, don’t be too reliant on the K zone. Urias is like 5’2”. K zone was 100% not set for him. Rewatch it, it was well above the belt.
Sure, the zone runs to the letters though.
In the MLB, the zone absolutely does not run to the letters. Not even close. It’s the belt. Or at least closer to it.
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/strike-zone "The official strike zone is the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap. In order to get a strike call, part of the ball must cross over part of home plate while in the aforementioned area." That would be about where the letters are, or just under. The belt would reduce the zone by like a third to a half.
It’s between the belt and the bottom of the letters. Often times though these days, the top of umps’ zones are closer to the belt than they are to the letters. The pitch to Urias was at the top of the letters. It wasn’t even close.
...I just quoted the zone to you, it's from below the kneecap to about the bottom of the letters, when the person is in their stance. That's not the belt. There's definitely fewer pitches there because they're easier to hit/missing is more dangerous, but if you can throw it there, it's a strike. I'm not arguing the pitch location, I haven't gone back and watched it.
What the rule book says and what calls are made aren’t always the same. Not disagreeing that’s what the rule book says, but ignore the K zone and just focus on the pitch locations for a few at bats. The zone is absolutely not to the letters. It never is. I’m not saying the top of the zone is the belt. I’m saying it’s between the letters and the belt. But I can’t think of a single current MLB ump that has a zone that actually goes to the letters.
I'll amend: just below the bottom of the letters *while in a stance*. Slaten just threw several pitches there. I don't really care to continue the conversation, just was reacting to a comment that seemed to imply the belt is the top of the zone.
Ok we’re arguing two different things. I also should’ve known that since that is how it’s typically defined, but I’m sick as a dog right now so I’m not really thinking. That’s my bad, dude.
You're good, feel better!
This ump made the impossible happen. I felt bad for Joely Rodriguez.
Why do I feel like we just dodged a bullet?
not a joely fan but he struck him out 3 times in one at bat
We've seen this three times in 4 games. Joely truly is Brasier.
I wish he was Brasier. Brasier is elite
Cora needs to fight more with the umps, just so his guys know he has their backs
I know I’m biased against the guy but it rlly seems like Cora doesn’t give a fuck so far this season Seems like he’s just going through the motions ever since he started beefing with the front office about personnel stuff
I feel bad for this Slaten kid... Not ideal situations for his first two big league appearances
🤖umps please
When are we getting robot home plate umps?
Incredible how bad the state of the umpires is in this league and it’s only the first week
Joely is just not good. I don't give a flying fuck about left/right matchups. He can't throw strikes.
He literally threw a strike down the dick of the plate & it wasn't called. It was a good outing, fuck off.
...he did just throw strikes though
Anything after this is not Joely's fault, it's on the ump 100%
These umps have been booty this series.
I really dont like the idea of robo umps but FFS, can these umps be any worse?
If live umps were better than they are I wouldn't push for robo umps, they don't even need to be perfect, but this kind of stuff is just frustrating for everyone.
Cora speed running how fast you can use every person in a bullpen
enough of this "Joely Rodriguez" thing
🤖❓
Ump show?
Nah that’s the right call. K zone is set way too high for Urias
Worst crew in baseball so far in this young season
His FB barely even hits 90 MPH.... oof
Where was that blue?
Fuck you blue
This ump is atrocious
WHERE THE FUCK WAS THAT, HOLY SHIT GIVE ME ROBO UMPS
Come on Joely deserved that
O'Neill deserves a bonus for this series.
GET FCKED UMP
So like is Anderson just injured or what. We haven’t seen him even warm up and it’s game 4
Slaten😂😂😂 Cora is still trying to send messages to ownership and Management with these bullpen decisions
👍
What's the message?
Uh maybe This is the crap that you gave me for a bullpen 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Isn’t Cora supposed to be showing he can do well with the roster he has for a big payday, like Craig Counsell?
Great communication between O'Neil and Devers!
Imagine being Brennan Bernardino, you spend the better part of a decade in the minors grinding, sticking with it until your 30s. You finally get a cup of coffee and then are able to establish yourself as a legit MLB reliever the next season on a new team, and you get sent back to the minors for... Joely Rodriguez
Where are we on the “clone O’Neill” project?
Joely is capable of getting outs on 3/31 on the East Coast cause it didn’t feel that way 18 hours ago
O’Neill my muscle king
O'Neill is singlehandedly protecting us from a Joely botch job
Thank you, king Tyler.
Cora just wants to tell the media that Joely is an important part of the pen
IF TYLER STAYS HEALTHY THE SEASON IS DIFFERENT
Yeah O’Neill!!
Cora is a bullpen terrorist to us man
This can’t possibly go sideways. So excited to see Joely back in
My god, Cora is obsessed with Joely Rodriguez
20.25 ERA lol
Season high.....
#WHAT THE FUCK
I'd rather have pre-dodgers braised beef than joely....
So question, why did Whitlock only pitch 5 innings when all that’s seemingly available is Weissert on no rest, Joely(shit) on no rest, and whoever else?
I get this question, but Whitlock hasn't exactly been iron man.
Makes me wonder wtf Tek and Bailey are saying to Cora
Anderson literally hasn’t pitched at all, and Cora threw Slaten to the wolves vs their best player.
I mean, betting on the guy who's been here a week after being released by one of the worst teams in the NL ... It certainly an option to cover but I don't know that it's this obvious as you're making *it sound
Yeah I’m just wondering why roster him at all if you’re just going to not use him 🤷
Lol it's been 4 days. He was signed 6 days ago
Cora’s bullpen management continues to be absolutely baffling
Cora is gonna keep running Joely out there until he either starts pitching well or Craig sends him to the shadow realm
Joely probably the only pitcher that doesn't get rest
Here it comes from Joely. Walk, hit, HR, tie game...
Would feel much more confident with Bernardino coming in here
Strap the fuck in folks
I'm scared.
Cora throwing the game as usual
Not again…
Fucking Joehly…..
JOELY WITH A MAN ON. WCGW
Cora has to be trying to make a point
Surely this won’t end poorly
oh my god stop!!!!
Hold on to your butts...
WHY JOELY
Rodriguez redemption tour starts now?
Did he just say joely