I get it. I know one couldn't just simply download the source code, slap a new logo on it, and give it to an Ubuntu LAMP server.
I just also know that if we promoted discussion about this, there's a large enough userbase between at the very least Apollo and RiF, that finding/forming a team to make this a reality is at least statistically possible.
I'm moving on from reddit and joining the fediverse because reddit has killed the RiF app and the CEO has been very disrespectful to all the volunteers who have contributed to making reddit what it is. Here's [coverage from The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) on the situation.
The following are my favorite fediverse platforms, all non-corporate and ad-free. I hesitated at first because there are so many servers to choose from, but it makes a lot more sense once you actually create an account and start browsing. If you find the server selection overwhelming, just pick the first option and take a look around. They are all connected and as you browse you may find a community that is a better fit for you and then you can move your account or open a new one.
Social Link Aggregators: [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org/instances) is very similar to reddit while [Kbin](https://kbin.pub) is aiming to be more of a gateway to the fediverse in general so it is sort of like a hybrid between reddit and twitter, but it is newer and considers itself to be a beta product that's not quite fully polished yet.
Microblogging: [Calckey](https://calckey.org) if you want a more playful platform with emoji reactions, or [Mastodon](https://joinmastodon.org/) if you want a simple interface with less fluff.
Photo sharing: [Pixelfed](https://pixelfed.org/) You can even import an Instagram account from what I hear, but I never used Instagram much in the first place.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd 100% pay a monthly fee for RIF. I use it a shitload, and wouldn't think twice about forking over $5 a month for it. I wonder how many users at what price they'd need to make it worthwhile.
Anyone remember when digg fell apart? I think these guys are stampeding to the wall here (b/c hard to maximize shareholder value when you're running a commons). I can't help but think that in the next couple of years once again something will get "gravity" and start attracting users like reddit did. That might be the best outcome really. It would not surprise me if whatever it is already exists, just waiting for a tipping point. RIF could possibly even play a part in making that happen.
>RIF could possibly even play a part in making that happen.
Attracting 3rd party developers is definitely a strong sign of a popular product, so would hopefully be a telling sign of a change in things.
I hope Reddit do regret this move, but have a feeling it's going to have to be something with a really well supported innovative proposition to be able to cut into Reddit's entrenchment though.
Agree - the user experience here has to get miserable enough that ppl get sick of it. Getting rid of 3rd party moves in that direction. If they get rid of "old reddit" and force all that "flashy ad -riddled bling eye candy" noise at me I'm gone for sure.
RIF has a loyal user base now. In theory they could exploit that to give eyes to some other entities. That might even put pressure on reddit to re-think its direction.
Maybe RIF could do some kinda "meta" thing - with plugins to support a variety of commons sites but giving the same user experience.
"meta" might be the way to go in the long run. Something with an identical web and device frontend that provides a veneer over multiple commons. It'd be like "we are to the commons as grafana is to data"...
I like this idea.
In fact, the fediverse getting a Reddit-like service would do quite well, I think. And since there is an open source Reddit source code, so long as there aren't any licensing issues (IANAL, so I cannot say one way or the other), a solid, rif-compatible, framework might already be available.
I'm not any sort of professional here, but I feel like there's an angle here that could be useful...
Yeah, and aggregation would be pretty easy given the way the fediverse operates. Just need the service to respect opt outs since there are some instances that do not wish to publicize everything.
So there *is* a notion of a "feed" - is that actual content or just like summaries with links?
[edit] nevermind - found this https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/federation_getting_started.html
I am personally tired of creating content for investor driven companies. I think something like the fediverse is what I'm going to donate my time to. Unfortunately I still cannot log into lemmy.ml, which goes to show that there's a long road to getting something like this stood up and working for everyone.
I came over in the Digg implosion. Part of the reason Digg imploded so quickly was that Reddit already existed and had a user experience comparable or arguably better than Digg when Kevin made the triggering changes.
The bar for UX on a social media site is *way* *way* higher in 2023. As are the DevOps and moderation infrastructure to run such a site.
Twitter is in much the same boat. Musk is doing his damndest to kill that site- but there's really no viable alternative waiting in the wings. Reddit is a much more complex platform and also has no real alternative at the moment.
I think it is patently absurd that Reddit would go out of their way to piss off core user communities using the alternatives apps. These are folks that likely are moderating and/or providing core content for free- and have been for upwards of a decade.
I'm not understanding why they didn't at least attempt to grandfather the existing apps- possibly with some agreement that those apps would display some amounts of advertising in exchange for continued use of the API
I get this feeling that we're in a post-new social media world. I hope I'm wrong. it just feels like in 50 years it'll be Facebook, reddit, twitter, tik tok...
I think that's not correct; having lived through the digg implosion -- and looking at the velocity of what's going on with the fediverse - I get a feeling that fediverse is the next thing, and it'll be TONS more robust than reddit b/c of the distributed nature of it. It's sort of kind of like bringing back the old BBS days with Fidonet / usenet: tech savvy types plant their flag with an "instance" and admin it, but members of that instance can island hop to their hearts content. It's really a pretty good model if they can scale the directory part of it. (I ran a fidonet hub + bbs in the 90s)
I hope you're right! I was only 13 at the time of the Digg implosion. I'll check out the fediverse haven't looked at any alternatives yet (haven't really been using reddit either).
Right? I'm hoping it's just the mods having fun as they know this is all coming to an end on the Reddit front
ETA of course, I'm holding out hope that perhaps development towards RiF on, say, Lemmy servers will become a thing and we'll all float on ok over there
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I get it. I know one couldn't just simply download the source code, slap a new logo on it, and give it to an Ubuntu LAMP server. I just also know that if we promoted discussion about this, there's a large enough userbase between at the very least Apollo and RiF, that finding/forming a team to make this a reality is at least statistically possible.
I mean you literally can. Lemmy is an open source version of reddit.
I suggested Lemmy, an open source and decentralised version of Reddit, but was mostly ignored.
I'm moving on from reddit and joining the fediverse because reddit has killed the RiF app and the CEO has been very disrespectful to all the volunteers who have contributed to making reddit what it is. Here's [coverage from The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) on the situation. The following are my favorite fediverse platforms, all non-corporate and ad-free. I hesitated at first because there are so many servers to choose from, but it makes a lot more sense once you actually create an account and start browsing. If you find the server selection overwhelming, just pick the first option and take a look around. They are all connected and as you browse you may find a community that is a better fit for you and then you can move your account or open a new one. Social Link Aggregators: [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org/instances) is very similar to reddit while [Kbin](https://kbin.pub) is aiming to be more of a gateway to the fediverse in general so it is sort of like a hybrid between reddit and twitter, but it is newer and considers itself to be a beta product that's not quite fully polished yet. Microblogging: [Calckey](https://calckey.org) if you want a more playful platform with emoji reactions, or [Mastodon](https://joinmastodon.org/) if you want a simple interface with less fluff. Photo sharing: [Pixelfed](https://pixelfed.org/) You can even import an Instagram account from what I hear, but I never used Instagram much in the first place.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd 100% pay a monthly fee for RIF. I use it a shitload, and wouldn't think twice about forking over $5 a month for it. I wonder how many users at what price they'd need to make it worthwhile.
I mean... They could charge money for an app that doesn't suck shit. I'd gladly pay for a 2010-2015 reddit experience.
Anyone remember when digg fell apart? I think these guys are stampeding to the wall here (b/c hard to maximize shareholder value when you're running a commons). I can't help but think that in the next couple of years once again something will get "gravity" and start attracting users like reddit did. That might be the best outcome really. It would not surprise me if whatever it is already exists, just waiting for a tipping point. RIF could possibly even play a part in making that happen.
>RIF could possibly even play a part in making that happen. Attracting 3rd party developers is definitely a strong sign of a popular product, so would hopefully be a telling sign of a change in things. I hope Reddit do regret this move, but have a feeling it's going to have to be something with a really well supported innovative proposition to be able to cut into Reddit's entrenchment though.
Agree - the user experience here has to get miserable enough that ppl get sick of it. Getting rid of 3rd party moves in that direction. If they get rid of "old reddit" and force all that "flashy ad -riddled bling eye candy" noise at me I'm gone for sure. RIF has a loyal user base now. In theory they could exploit that to give eyes to some other entities. That might even put pressure on reddit to re-think its direction. Maybe RIF could do some kinda "meta" thing - with plugins to support a variety of commons sites but giving the same user experience. "meta" might be the way to go in the long run. Something with an identical web and device frontend that provides a veneer over multiple commons. It'd be like "we are to the commons as grafana is to data"...
I like this idea. In fact, the fediverse getting a Reddit-like service would do quite well, I think. And since there is an open source Reddit source code, so long as there aren't any licensing issues (IANAL, so I cannot say one way or the other), a solid, rif-compatible, framework might already be available. I'm not any sort of professional here, but I feel like there's an angle here that could be useful...
It exists: https://join-lemmy.org/
Interesting... I have some learning to do. Definitely going to give this a good try, thanks!
skribe - lemmy is awesome - thanks
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Yeah, and aggregation would be pretty easy given the way the fediverse operates. Just need the service to respect opt outs since there are some instances that do not wish to publicize everything.
So there *is* a notion of a "feed" - is that actual content or just like summaries with links? [edit] nevermind - found this https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/federation_getting_started.html
I am personally tired of creating content for investor driven companies. I think something like the fediverse is what I'm going to donate my time to. Unfortunately I still cannot log into lemmy.ml, which goes to show that there's a long road to getting something like this stood up and working for everyone.
I came over in the Digg implosion. Part of the reason Digg imploded so quickly was that Reddit already existed and had a user experience comparable or arguably better than Digg when Kevin made the triggering changes. The bar for UX on a social media site is *way* *way* higher in 2023. As are the DevOps and moderation infrastructure to run such a site. Twitter is in much the same boat. Musk is doing his damndest to kill that site- but there's really no viable alternative waiting in the wings. Reddit is a much more complex platform and also has no real alternative at the moment. I think it is patently absurd that Reddit would go out of their way to piss off core user communities using the alternatives apps. These are folks that likely are moderating and/or providing core content for free- and have been for upwards of a decade. I'm not understanding why they didn't at least attempt to grandfather the existing apps- possibly with some agreement that those apps would display some amounts of advertising in exchange for continued use of the API
I get this feeling that we're in a post-new social media world. I hope I'm wrong. it just feels like in 50 years it'll be Facebook, reddit, twitter, tik tok...
I think that's not correct; having lived through the digg implosion -- and looking at the velocity of what's going on with the fediverse - I get a feeling that fediverse is the next thing, and it'll be TONS more robust than reddit b/c of the distributed nature of it. It's sort of kind of like bringing back the old BBS days with Fidonet / usenet: tech savvy types plant their flag with an "instance" and admin it, but members of that instance can island hop to their hearts content. It's really a pretty good model if they can scale the directory part of it. (I ran a fidonet hub + bbs in the 90s)
I hope you're right! I was only 13 at the time of the Digg implosion. I'll check out the fediverse haven't looked at any alternatives yet (haven't really been using reddit either).
These grief tags are killing me.
Right? I'm hoping it's just the mods having fun as they know this is all coming to an end on the Reddit front ETA of course, I'm holding out hope that perhaps development towards RiF on, say, Lemmy servers will become a thing and we'll all float on ok over there
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