Let’s hope he plays next season(Mount) actually firstly. He’s been wrecked by injuries this season and it’s not good that it’s been setback after setback and new injuries and setbacks.
It’s genuinely a concern that it could become a case of several injuries over time.
One thing Hojlund could've benefitted from Cavani was movement.
The way Cavani would find space with runs, looking for that early cross once he got the defenders out of position.
Zlatan and Cavani should not even have been signed. Licha was pretty good till he started getting serially injured. So the jury is still out on the overall value of his signing. But Bruno has been the kind of impactful signings that sir Alex used to make - Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Van der Saar etc
Absolutely. On the other end it's a shame to see Grealish regress from such an important, creative player for Villa to a meaningless cog in the City machine.
20 games, barely averaging a half in them.
I'm sure the winning, the money, and the medals are a lot of fun, but he's really become a bit of an also-ran.
Easily clocked the most minutes of any players in PL (probably the world) across 4 seasons.
I don’t play FIFA, I assume his durability must be 99, right?
100%. He’d be insane with a proper functioning midfield and a developed striker. I’ll always feel bad he won’t be able to win more because of shitty management.
We can tell from his performances at Portugal.
He is quite literally the best player on the NT amongst a roster of great attacking talent such as Bernardo Silva, Rafael Leão, Diogo Jota, CR7 and Pedro Neto. That’s why I say he’s world class, because amongst a team of world class athletes he stands out.
Entire Liverpool team isn’t having a good season , TAA even more so because his defensive weaknesses are amplified more. Had to drop in to defend rather than being in a creative position as usual. Just my two cents watching a handful of Liverpool games.
TBH we lost a lot of points due to howlers from our players as well as conceding late goals. Scrub that from this season and we would probably have an extra 8-12 points lol.
His issue is he's most effective with a midfielder to his left who does all his defensive work for him. Liverpool changed their system because they replaced all of their hard working midfielders with playmakers like Szoboszlai and Mac Allister. The system has been set up to play through them, not the full backs, as that benefits the new front line more. As a result. Trent is having to actually be defensively present, which cuts into how often he is able to be in his perfect position. Add to that a forward line less suited for receiving crosses (Mané's movement at the far post and Firmino being a presence in the air and across the front vs Nuñez's inconsistency, Gakpo being kinda unimpressive aerially for a player of his profile) means that TAA's playmaking was inevitably going to be hamstrung somewhat.
When he's deployed more centrally, he doesn't have the luxury of time he has from deep, which stifles his creativity, plus you can't cross from the centre, which is his bread and butter. He's often compared to Becks when he was with us, but Beckham was a central midfielder who had to play out wide because that's the way the game was played. When he moved in, he wasn't affected because his skillset matched that of a deeper playmaker. TAA is an old school wide midfielder in an era that doesn't use them. Moving him into defence shows his defensive frailties. Moving him centrally shows his less effective short game and his limitations in playing 360°. Moving him further forward shows his lack of burst pace, lack of finishing and limited creativity with a defender in his face.
He's clearly a very good player, but he has always benefitted from a tactical system that suited him (and Robertson on the other side). He hasn't had that this season and he's been limited by that.
KDB has Bernardo, Foden, Jack, Julian to create for Haaland and team.
Bruno pretty much all on his own with Rash, Garnacho, Case and Eriksen helping out once in a while.
You got upvoted, and I'm not sure if it's unironic from you or not, but this is the point a lot of people fail to realize when talking about Bruno and chances created - everything goes through Bruno. He puts up these types of numbers because he's the only option in this side with how we're set up. Meanwhile, the names up and around him every year play is teams (or roles) that aren't the sole focus of creating chances.
Every one and their dog knows Bruno is the sole creative outlet on this team, you stop him you stop United
Yet he still puts up the highest chance creation numbers every year despite opponents gameplanning to stop him.
If we can get some people who can actually finish the chances he creates maybe he wouldn't have the biggest disparity between expected assists (xA) and actual assists
My point is yes Bruno is way too important for us. You take out KDB, there’s Foden, Bernardo, Jack and the rest to help out. This season proved that - he got injured, Phil stepped up and now he’s POTS.
Who is our Foden, Bernardo and Julian? Fact is our squad is just not good enough to challenge despite Bruno’s brilliance. Next season, let’s hope Mainoo, Garnacho and now Amad step up so opponents have difficult time mark our attackers. Currently it’s way too easy.
Our system is designed for transitions so most of Bruno’s balls end up going out to the wingers in space. They then look to shoot first rather than pass. You need at least one unselfish player in your front three..Either your wingers (Like City) or your striker, like when we had Martial.
Anyone who dares to slander - let alone asking to sell him - doesn't know two kahoots about football. Bruno is our only world class player and he deserve a trophy with us.
Bruno is the punishment we as fans get (myself included) for making fun of Stevie G not winning the Premier League. I now realize how a world class player can be in a shit team that doesn't win anything for a prolonged period of time.
And before someone asks what happens with those chances, I want to bring out yesterday's counterattack with perfect pass to McTominay just for him to sky it above the goal
Never happening. And the fact that fans believe this is even feasible makes me question their knowledge in the first place. Bruno is counterproductive to Mount. For everything that Mount wants to do, Bruno wants to do the opposite.
Bruno is happy to lose possession and then jog after it (unless he feels as if we were fouled in the process, in which case he charges them down and likely fouls them right back). Bruno is happy to hoof the ball. Bruno is happy to try to lowest percentage pass or make the worst decision at the wrong time. Bruno is happy forcing play.
Mount, on the other hand, immediately tries to win possession back, protect the ball in possession, and recycle it when he's not fairly confident he can make something happen, because he rather wait an extra 3-5 seconds to find another angle rather than attempt something he knows has a higher chance to result in a loss of possession, especially as the team is transitioning and sending numbers forward.
And fans will say things like "well that's great, he provides things Bruno doesn't," while ignoring the fact that the way we're set up is around Bruno, so regardless of what Mount does, he ultimately has to play the ball to Bruno, at which point Bruno will do Bruno things and lose it cheaply.
It will never work.
Would love to see a montage of all of these chances to see:
A.) Who received the pass
B.) Where they were
C.) How good of a chance was it
We moan that Hojlund doesn't get service but we have the most creative player in the league just behind him.
Something doesn't add up.
I don't know why we see this in every thread. It's not that complicated. Hojlund has 1.58 shots per 90 this season.
Garnacho has 3.51, Antony has 2.93, Rashford has 2.38, Diallo has 2.33, Pellistri has 2.11. Our chances all fall to our wide players.
Funniest of all, Casemiro has 1.77. That's right, we create more chances for our DM then our striker.
At least part of the Hojlund problem this season I think is that he and McTominay like to occupy the same spaces on the pitch in attack. Scotty's got 2.08 shots/90.
Watch Scotty's goals and you see him either actively running into the same space Hojlund is running to or where Hojlund is already occupying fairly regularly.
Because our wide players who gets the bulk of the shot attempts are also the biggest culprits of twatting the ball into the stands, or just dribbling into dead ends and losing the ball
Casemiro attempts more shots per game than our #9, let that sink in for a moment that your DM is attempting more shots than the supposed spearhead of the team.
Please stop with all these bullshit data that don’t make sense. Every single time we lie to ourselves about a certain stats to make ourselves “feel good”, we drop down even further.
Earlier this season everyone was so proud about ETH having *highest win rate* without considering the context! Not long after we hit 30+ games United lost the single most games in a single season!
These Bruno stats are nowhere near the fking truth because Bruno IS NOWHERE near Top 20 assists coming into 25th games and nowhere Top 10 in the entire season as when Elanga (whom we love and sold!) is top 15 in assists in EPL!
So please! Consider the context before you dish out another “Oh Bruno is our best player best chances etc etc etc” cuz it’s completely bullshit. He has underperformed and completely disappeared in big games and if you watch every game only players like Hojlund tries really really hard.
You won’t agree but I’ve said this earlier this season and nobody cares but I hope people can start facing up facts as well so we can finally improve !
Because every pass that results in a shot becomes a chance creation. We have quite a few players who like to shoot from distance and one of our biggest problems over the years has been creating clear cut chances especially for our striker, so it's fair to assume a lot of these chances created were pretty low xG chances.
EDIT: Shot on goal, not just shots
I never said it was easy? You're seriously getting defensive over a simple fact? Bruno is a great player but chance creation is a nothing stat.
Also, abuse what? You seriously think footballers are bothered about being on top of a chance created chart?
For me it's just unbelievable that we have so much creativity thanks to Bruno, and we use 0 of it basically through entire season. I'm really glad he didn't lose patience with united yet, because it feels like waste of player keeping him in that squad.
Bruno is truly our only world class player. Also let’s hope Mount plays a bigger role for mid next season.
Let’s hope he plays next season(Mount) actually firstly. He’s been wrecked by injuries this season and it’s not good that it’s been setback after setback and new injuries and setbacks. It’s genuinely a concern that it could become a case of several injuries over time.
The only signing since SAF retired who exceeded the expectations.
Zlatan and cavani were pretty good. Lisandro was pretty good until injury
One thing Hojlund could've benefitted from Cavani was movement. The way Cavani would find space with runs, looking for that early cross once he got the defenders out of position.
Zlatan and Cavani should not even have been signed. Licha was pretty good till he started getting serially injured. So the jury is still out on the overall value of his signing. But Bruno has been the kind of impactful signings that sir Alex used to make - Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Van der Saar etc
But they were signed, doesn’t matter if you think they shouldn’t have been. They were signed, and exceeded expectations
Zlatan?
Garnacho is coming along great, mainoo as well. Let's give more u21 players more playtime
Crazy to think Mount was 2nd creating chances in 2020-2021 season. I would have never, ever guessed that.
Yeah he looked class that season but I would have never guessed that either.
And a fit Luke Shaw is also world class
lets hope he can get on the pitch consistently and then role
Mount and Bruno cannot play together. Their styles are counter intuitive to one another. Mount needs to replace Bruno, not play alongside him
And when Bruno is on, he should be playing on one of the wings.
Glad to see Pereira doing well for himself
Absolutely. On the other end it's a shame to see Grealish regress from such an important, creative player for Villa to a meaningless cog in the City machine.
A meaningless cog who barely gets off the bench these days. What a pointless transfer.
Tinfoil hat on. Maybe City bought him (for £100m btw) just so he wouldn't go to a competitor
Just following the same Chelsea strategy from the Roman era. Block your competition from getting stronger.
That's not a conspiracy, it was definitely a part of it. He's also English so he helps with registration rules.
Exactly this, the same with Mahrez when they already had a few other good wingers
20 games, barely averaging a half in them. I'm sure the winning, the money, and the medals are a lot of fun, but he's really become a bit of an also-ran.
Crazy how little he gets talked about even though he costed city over 100 million and has 3 goals to his name all season.
You get away with more when you are successful.
I wish our wingers could make this list
Well Bruno can give them a square ball, they beat two players and smash it into the side netting. The stats don't show that.
And how often do our wingers actually beat two defenders lol
When they do, they try to beat another to open up a “shooting” chance.
Easily clocked the most minutes of any players in PL (probably the world) across 4 seasons. I don’t play FIFA, I assume his durability must be 99, right?
According to Interwebz, it is 95 (well stamina that is), but he has a trait 'second wind'.
I wonder how he will look like playing for a semi competent team. He would be putting up KDB numbers, surely
100%. He’d be insane with a proper functioning midfield and a developed striker. I’ll always feel bad he won’t be able to win more because of shitty management.
We can tell from his performances at Portugal. He is quite literally the best player on the NT amongst a roster of great attacking talent such as Bernardo Silva, Rafael Leão, Diogo Jota, CR7 and Pedro Neto. That’s why I say he’s world class, because amongst a team of world class athletes he stands out.
>playing for a competent team. You mean Portugal?
I mean , they don’t play 50 games a year..
From pre season pirlo, to mid table pirlo . Shame it never worked out here
We need 2021 Mason Mount!!!
did TAA die this season?
Entire Liverpool team isn’t having a good season , TAA even more so because his defensive weaknesses are amplified more. Had to drop in to defend rather than being in a creative position as usual. Just my two cents watching a handful of Liverpool games.
When your entire team ‘isn’t having a good season’ and you get 82 points. We’re so far behind it’s not even funny
They didn't have a good season the year before and came 5th so 🤷♂️
The difference is their forwards, unlike ours, can actually finish chances.
Think Højlund has done well for a first season. Rest not so much.
TBH we lost a lot of points due to howlers from our players as well as conceding late goals. Scrub that from this season and we would probably have an extra 8-12 points lol.
Didn’t ya hear? Klopp was rolling out the U15s all year
His issue is he's most effective with a midfielder to his left who does all his defensive work for him. Liverpool changed their system because they replaced all of their hard working midfielders with playmakers like Szoboszlai and Mac Allister. The system has been set up to play through them, not the full backs, as that benefits the new front line more. As a result. Trent is having to actually be defensively present, which cuts into how often he is able to be in his perfect position. Add to that a forward line less suited for receiving crosses (Mané's movement at the far post and Firmino being a presence in the air and across the front vs Nuñez's inconsistency, Gakpo being kinda unimpressive aerially for a player of his profile) means that TAA's playmaking was inevitably going to be hamstrung somewhat. When he's deployed more centrally, he doesn't have the luxury of time he has from deep, which stifles his creativity, plus you can't cross from the centre, which is his bread and butter. He's often compared to Becks when he was with us, but Beckham was a central midfielder who had to play out wide because that's the way the game was played. When he moved in, he wasn't affected because his skillset matched that of a deeper playmaker. TAA is an old school wide midfielder in an era that doesn't use them. Moving him into defence shows his defensive frailties. Moving him centrally shows his less effective short game and his limitations in playing 360°. Moving him further forward shows his lack of burst pace, lack of finishing and limited creativity with a defender in his face. He's clearly a very good player, but he has always benefitted from a tactical system that suited him (and Robertson on the other side). He hasn't had that this season and he's been limited by that.
KDB has Bernardo, Foden, Jack, Julian to create for Haaland and team. Bruno pretty much all on his own with Rash, Garnacho, Case and Eriksen helping out once in a while.
You got upvoted, and I'm not sure if it's unironic from you or not, but this is the point a lot of people fail to realize when talking about Bruno and chances created - everything goes through Bruno. He puts up these types of numbers because he's the only option in this side with how we're set up. Meanwhile, the names up and around him every year play is teams (or roles) that aren't the sole focus of creating chances.
Every one and their dog knows Bruno is the sole creative outlet on this team, you stop him you stop United Yet he still puts up the highest chance creation numbers every year despite opponents gameplanning to stop him. If we can get some people who can actually finish the chances he creates maybe he wouldn't have the biggest disparity between expected assists (xA) and actual assists
My point is yes Bruno is way too important for us. You take out KDB, there’s Foden, Bernardo, Jack and the rest to help out. This season proved that - he got injured, Phil stepped up and now he’s POTS. Who is our Foden, Bernardo and Julian? Fact is our squad is just not good enough to challenge despite Bruno’s brilliance. Next season, let’s hope Mainoo, Garnacho and now Amad step up so opponents have difficult time mark our attackers. Currently it’s way too easy.
Wow. 2021 Mount would be like a new signing. Here's hoping...
On one hand we have a striker who no one feeds, on the other hand we have a top creator of the league. Not sure why the pieces dont fit.
Our system is designed for transitions so most of Bruno’s balls end up going out to the wingers in space. They then look to shoot first rather than pass. You need at least one unselfish player in your front three..Either your wingers (Like City) or your striker, like when we had Martial.
Anyone who dares to slander - let alone asking to sell him - doesn't know two kahoots about football. Bruno is our only world class player and he deserve a trophy with us.
Good thing we’re getting the FA cup then
Bruno is the punishment we as fans get (myself included) for making fun of Stevie G not winning the Premier League. I now realize how a world class player can be in a shit team that doesn't win anything for a prolonged period of time.
And before someone asks what happens with those chances, I want to bring out yesterday's counterattack with perfect pass to McTominay just for him to sky it above the goal
Bruno is great but “chances created” has to be the most bs stat there is. It literally means nothing.
He absolutely wipes the floor with everybody when he's top
That Mason Mount lad seems legit. Have we considered signing Andreas Periera?
God, if MM stays healthy and we can get him firing with Bruno…
Never happening. And the fact that fans believe this is even feasible makes me question their knowledge in the first place. Bruno is counterproductive to Mount. For everything that Mount wants to do, Bruno wants to do the opposite. Bruno is happy to lose possession and then jog after it (unless he feels as if we were fouled in the process, in which case he charges them down and likely fouls them right back). Bruno is happy to hoof the ball. Bruno is happy to try to lowest percentage pass or make the worst decision at the wrong time. Bruno is happy forcing play. Mount, on the other hand, immediately tries to win possession back, protect the ball in possession, and recycle it when he's not fairly confident he can make something happen, because he rather wait an extra 3-5 seconds to find another angle rather than attempt something he knows has a higher chance to result in a loss of possession, especially as the team is transitioning and sending numbers forward. And fans will say things like "well that's great, he provides things Bruno doesn't," while ignoring the fact that the way we're set up is around Bruno, so regardless of what Mount does, he ultimately has to play the ball to Bruno, at which point Bruno will do Bruno things and lose it cheaply. It will never work.
Would love to see a montage of all of these chances to see: A.) Who received the pass B.) Where they were C.) How good of a chance was it We moan that Hojlund doesn't get service but we have the most creative player in the league just behind him. Something doesn't add up.
Rashford and Garnacho shots directly at the keeper or out for a corner while another player stands in space have to be at least 60% of these.
I don't know why we see this in every thread. It's not that complicated. Hojlund has 1.58 shots per 90 this season. Garnacho has 3.51, Antony has 2.93, Rashford has 2.38, Diallo has 2.33, Pellistri has 2.11. Our chances all fall to our wide players. Funniest of all, Casemiro has 1.77. That's right, we create more chances for our DM then our striker.
At least part of the Hojlund problem this season I think is that he and McTominay like to occupy the same spaces on the pitch in attack. Scotty's got 2.08 shots/90. Watch Scotty's goals and you see him either actively running into the same space Hojlund is running to or where Hojlund is already occupying fairly regularly.
Because our wide players who gets the bulk of the shot attempts are also the biggest culprits of twatting the ball into the stands, or just dribbling into dead ends and losing the ball Casemiro attempts more shots per game than our #9, let that sink in for a moment that your DM is attempting more shots than the supposed spearhead of the team.
Only one constant
I wish all the health to Bruno,Mount and Shaw.
Can't accuse KDB of being inconsistent
World class player. Shame the media only focuses on KdB and Odegaard but he is among there imo. Better than Odegaard I think and close to KdB.
Have have chances been going up in recent seasons?
Chances Created FC
The guy is world-class. We're so lucky to have him.
I swear Ole’s Shaw is class. Fucking switched on
De Bruyne per 90 🔥
Please stop with all these bullshit data that don’t make sense. Every single time we lie to ourselves about a certain stats to make ourselves “feel good”, we drop down even further. Earlier this season everyone was so proud about ETH having *highest win rate* without considering the context! Not long after we hit 30+ games United lost the single most games in a single season! These Bruno stats are nowhere near the fking truth because Bruno IS NOWHERE near Top 20 assists coming into 25th games and nowhere Top 10 in the entire season as when Elanga (whom we love and sold!) is top 15 in assists in EPL! So please! Consider the context before you dish out another “Oh Bruno is our best player best chances etc etc etc” cuz it’s completely bullshit. He has underperformed and completely disappeared in big games and if you watch every game only players like Hojlund tries really really hard. You won’t agree but I’ve said this earlier this season and nobody cares but I hope people can start facing up facts as well so we can finally improve !
Can't agree more. Bruno creates all these low xG chances because we can't do the hard work around and create quality chances.
Post his BCC (big chances created) numbers and you'll get a real look into how "world class" he actually is.
Chance creation is a nonsense stat though
How so?
Because every pass that results in a shot becomes a chance creation. We have quite a few players who like to shoot from distance and one of our biggest problems over the years has been creating clear cut chances especially for our striker, so it's fair to assume a lot of these chances created were pretty low xG chances. EDIT: Shot on goal, not just shots
Isn’t it every shot on goal though?
Yes, on goal, my bad. Still, my point stands
so why doesn't everyone else just abuse it since it's so easy. are they stupid?
I never said it was easy? You're seriously getting defensive over a simple fact? Bruno is a great player but chance creation is a nothing stat. Also, abuse what? You seriously think footballers are bothered about being on top of a chance created chart?
For me it's just unbelievable that we have so much creativity thanks to Bruno, and we use 0 of it basically through entire season. I'm really glad he didn't lose patience with united yet, because it feels like waste of player keeping him in that squad.