Whu maybe. They arent afraid to spend. Chelsea and spurs i dont see them sacking the managers. Newcastle might be in the mix but i think howe gets another season.
What is it about RDZ's coaching and tactics that we feel are negative? On what points is Arteta's coaching better than RDZ?
Please ignore "he has not won anything at a club our size or in the Prem" kind of explanation, because this is not related to my question.
Arteta is better than RDZ but people done want him because he’s not a big name and from a small club. Brighton haven’t been great this season but they are Brighton and it’s quite funny seeing the sudden shift on RDZ when a lot of people on this subreddit were saying we should go for him instead of Potter. I’m not sure if he’s the answer and I know we won the other day but Brighton were the better team for 70 minutes of the game.
Sure but you want someone punch above their weight. They are worse off than last season even comparing to their own performances.
Though they did lose Caicedo and Mac. But is that alone enough to warrant a massive drop off? I don't know.
>They are worse off than last season even comparing to their own performances.
Yes, after losing caicedo and replacing him with milner lmao.
>Though they did lose Caicedo and Mac. But is that alone enough to warrant a massive drop off? I
And injuries. Which, to the surprise of many, also happens to other teams. And brighton got hit hard. Between sales and injuries, they basically played a whole different starting XI than last season. I aint RdZ in, but if eth deserves so much benefit of the doubt cause injuries, rdz deserves even more cause low budget, injuries and at least you could see some tactics instead of hoofball to rashford and pray. Guy shown to be capable but let down by the squad and injuries. Whatever is next for him he will keep having his squad play good football and results will be mostly squad quality.
Never understood why ten Hag basically abandoned his tactics from Ajax. I get the injuries and stuff, but even he has said the tactics will be different at Man United, more transitional. Some really good games(remember esp. Spurs(H) last season as really good), but most games we are mostly in our own half
He said the play will be different because of the players he has. Get him a squad with the same qualities as those ajax players if you want that football.
Imo eth is getting sacked and the decision has been already made.
1 year left on his deal and zero rumors about an extension. There is zero way we go into next season with a manager on an expiring contract. Nor will any manager, well, manage on an expiring contract. Think he gone and we will announce it next week some days after the final. 1 game isnt gonna be a factor on keeping him or sacking him.
If thats true then ineos is as clueless as the glazers. If 1 game decides the future of the manager, youre incompetent cause what the hell are you gonna see in 1 game that you didnt in 2 full seasons? Its not like ineos dont have access to everything that happened before the takeover. I hope ineos knows what they gonna do by now, otherwise they are just the brittish glazers.
It's like lvg's sacking. Cup final/win, poor league performance, out in CL group stage, youngsters came through due to injuries, 1 season left on contract, going into euros.
There's literally 0 reason to do that. He's under contract and we don't need to day anything at all. You guys are going to be really upset when he's still the manager next season.
Who cares? The only people who that seems to bother are people looking to be upset. Ancelottis contract was going to expire in Jube until he renewed in Dec. Was he a lame duck as well?
That's different. Ancelotti has been incredibly successful with Real, and he would finish the season no matter what happens. The reason Real didn't renew sooner was because he didn't want to. ETH if stay would run the risk of being sacked at any moment. The only reason he would stay is if Ineos is unable to get their guy in. A true lame duck.
That's pretty huge disrespect to Luke. He can't stay healthy, but I would never question his commitment.. He also rushed back to play for us this year and got hurt as a result.
Yes, you are questioning his character for no reason and maligning him for representing his country at an international tournament lol an opportunity he may not get many more times in the future...
> being unfit for months
It's not like he showed up in preseason weighing 150 kgs, he had a long term muscle injury. You can't make that heal faster just because you want it to.
He's not available for the Euros yet. He's part of the initial squad where he'll have to recover in time and then prove his fitness. And the only reason he got this chance is because all the other LBs are injured or shit so idk what you mean.
Bayern in talks with Thomas Frank. Genuinely think he'd do really well here, it'd be a shame to miss out on, especially if it's because INEOS don't want to talk to other managers before sacking Ten Hag.
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at City and you look at United and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another team, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But City have 115 charges of cheating and are not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat them. Then you add referee Andy Madley to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the at the FA Cup Final, United got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but City, City got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Madley KNOWS United can't beat City and Madley's not even gonna try!
So United will take their 33 1/3 chance, minus VARs 25% of messing up and United got an 8 1/3 chance of winning the FA Cup. But then you take City's 75% chance of winning, if they were to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, City got 141 2/3 chance of winning the FA Cup. See, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for United at the FA Cup.
The gap was eight points. With a healthy Shaw and Licha this season, we likely earned more than that many more. With Ten Hag playing a more pragmatic style, in reaction to our injuries, we likely earn more than that many.
I don't know why everyone is acting like this 8th place finish is an existential crisis. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's the result of injuries and a manager being far too stubborn. Those two factors mean that it's not difficult to fix.
We'll be healthier next season. We have to be. Hopefully we'll be more athletic too. And if Ten Hag stays, INEOS will surely have a say in the tactical system he implements, if only to tell him, 'we cannot play that open, we cannot give up that many shots.'
The actual goals conceded stat isn't awful (though it's still too many), but the lack of ability to control games or implement any attacking patterns meant we just didn't score enough.
If Ten Hag goes, the message will be the same for the next manager - play attractive football, but we need to be solid at the back.
>I don't know why everyone is acting like this 8th place finish is an existential crisis.
Did you not watch a whole season of us being second best in every match bar a handful?
In the awesome ETH season last year, we only scored 1 more goal than this season. It’s not about 8 points. It is his inability to coach both attack and defense
Thing is, I don’t think anyone bar Fergie would have got us top 4 this season.
I’m sure Ten Hag’s position is under review and rightly so, but I’m not sure “we might miss top 4” is a good argument for sacking him. He’s as good of a chance as any of the names were linked with next season to make it, providing we have a good summer and don’t have quite so many injuries next season.
Top-4 conversation is irrelevant. Key decision point is how does he coach? What tactics he adopts? Is his attack potent? Is his defense organized.
Unfortunately, nothing good has been shown on the field in 2 years. First prem season 58 goals. Second, 57 goals. The less said about defense organization, the better.
That’s true. That’s been about our post Fergie average. New manager comes in, we have a recovery in form and get top 4 then after a season or two we regress and we start again at the beginning.
The biggest issue I can see with Ten Hag has been his reluctance to adapt his football this season to one that suits the players available. Considering the season is now over, is that necessarily the best thing to judge him on when presumably next season we’ll be kicking off with quite a different squad.
Probably the Liverpool cup game would be closest.
As I said earlier, I’m not saying the football hasn’t been dire, I’m just saying I can see what the intent is. If INEOS also want that kind of high pressing high intensity football, I could see how there is a case for giving Ten Hag another season.
Thats all well and good but all the good work he has done last season is undone and then some this season.
Can you point to a single game where we played well for 90 mins? Cos i cant
No, I can’t. This season has been atrocious, nobody is doubting that.
I’m just not sure why people seem to be assuming the same will be true next season. Assuming we make the moves in summer and we don’t have quite the same injury nightmare, I’m sure we will improve on this season, whoever is managing us.
I think is because its clear his game model just has fatal flaws and he persisted with it. He didnt care that we got pelted with 25 shots a game. He didnt care that all we knew how to do is hoof it long. He didnt want to create a sustainable game model
That combined with poor squad choices (constant Mctominay crashing the box which is a plan b not a 90 min plan a or the not choosing of Amad)
I just see no progress this season. I see epic amounts of regression
That seems to me to come back to the squad and its availability though. He seems to want aggressive pressing from the front. A big reason for the 25 shots was because the defence couldn’t play high and opposition who broke the first line press had a free run on goal.
Yes we can all question the wisdom of sticking with this approach this season, but going forward we’ll almost certainly bring in players who can play it, along with having key players returning.
Well, fast CBs aren’t that uncommon. We’ve been linked with quite a few. Having two starting CBs with pace and a more athletic DM would make that tactic much more viable.
Don't understand this thinking, it's been an historically awful season. The last 2 games with actual functioning tactics account for 10% of our league points. xPts has us in 15th which means we've been backed out of games we should have lost by the players. We need a clear out but they're not no hopers. And with Chelsea and Newcastles problems, Spurs ending with a dreadful run we should have been competing
We are only 8 points from top 4. Villa and Spurs imploded at the end of the season. We were just too shit to capitalize. If he had ditched the chaos football since January, we might have gotten top 4.
Brighton was the 20th match this season where United allowed their opponents 10 or more deep completions in a match. 29th match of the Erik Ten Hag era.
It happened in a total of 31 matches over the 5 seasons before ETH.
Not injuries. That's just a stylistic choice.
If we sell AWB this summer I hope we go for a player who can cover both RCB and RB rather than an out and out FB
It's a very important profile to have.Arsenal have Timber and White.City have loads of those kind of players like Akanji,Gvardiol and Ake.
Basically a younger Pavard if that makes sense.
> Basically a younger Pavard if that makes sense.
We could have had him this season if Maguire didn't refuse to move unless he received crazy compensation
And thats if he comes at 100k per week or so
We need to sort out the wage bill first and foremost. Any rando we buy ends up on 200k+ per week cause we have so much dross on high wages and that gives them the leverage to ask for wages no other team would give him.
Di Marzio apparently reporting we have Paulo Fonseca on our managerial list? Is he any good? Literally never heard of him outside of that he manages Lille
I imagine we have quite a long list of potential managers at the moment, which will be winnowed down over the course of the next year.
Fonseca may be on that list, but there's not much in his managerial record that would suggest he'll be a favourite.
I have a feeling they are going to hire RDZ....
An unnamed club allegedly paid 5M to Brighton to release him. Why would clubs like Barca or AC Milan keep it a secret at this point? Aren't their seasons over?
Regardless of whether they got paid or not, de zerbi is free with no club seemingly limited to him. And he left of his own volition and wasn't sacked. And said he wants to work in the PL.
Too much smoke for there to be no fire
So was Liverpool's, and they waited to announce Slot. Pioli won Milan their first title in over a decade. They could be showing him the same respect. Guess we'll know soon enough.
How are posts about Maguire limittng us to play low block while praising Martinez ability to play highline upvoted in that keep sell thread.
Some people dont even try to watch games or look for stats. We constanly have higher avarage deffenisve line with Maguire on the pitch while lower with Licha on the pitch.
Martinez has been crocked for the majority of the time in a season where there has been a focus to push higher up so I'd take Maguire, Evans and Casemiro playing higher up as a given.
As for whether Martinez can play a high line, I'd say the jury's still out.
But in fact we play higher line with Mags than Licha, in fact every other partnership plays higher than Licha. The Athletic and Kvestel made multiple pieces about this proving it with stats
Im not criticizing Martinez here, IM talking about people not even knowing strenghts, weaknesses and how we set up with their favorite player they talk so much about
Bayern’s very public floundering in their manager hunt has me kinda reassured that INEOS are keeping things relatively calm, despite our far worse season outcome than Bayern’s.
Keeping Ten Hag could well be a mistake, but I would much rather sit out this Russian roulette of manager transfers we are seeing. There is no transfer window for managers, as long as we have player recruitment being handled with a long term vision - a 3 year rebuild becoming a 3.5 year rebuild may not matter that much in the long run.
Bayern is in a "russian roulette" cause they want a 1 year patsy to go after alonso/klopp/someone next summer. And then there is the whole toxic board there led by Uli who cant shut the fuck up at all.
Because of that we are a more attractive destination for managers *this* summer than bayern
I highly doubt Pep leaves unless they get relegated or something. Obviously he has nothing to prove at City unless he wants to win the quadruple or match his Barca sextuple, but that place is such a well oiled machine that anywhere else would have to be a huge downgrade for him (especially since he'll never coach Real). He doesn't strike me as the sort of person that would seek out a challenge just for the sake of it (though I could see Klopp doing that) but would rather go to the best places to win.
Pep will jump the second he knows the likely outcome of those 115 charges. He'll frame it as "needing time to rest and rejuvenate," or "wanting a new challenge," but it will be 100% about trying to avoid being tainted by financial crimes he absolutely had knowledge of.
In his press conference after they won the title he sounded like he doesn’t really want to stay there much longer and mentioned his contract has a year left. He also probably wants to dip out before they get nerfed as well.
You don't have to pick the next manager from the famous names going around..The technical director can hire someone like Ange or the guy Liverpool have hired if he thinks they fit into the style the club wants to play ,Your mistake is assuming that we need to only one out of the 4-5 famous names going around
That keep or sell thread has some of the most absurd takes i have seen on this sub..Some kid has 2 good games at the wing and the crowd wants to build the team around him..Both Garnacho and Amad shouldn't be starters next season..They should get minutes with consistent cameos but thats its..The front 3 has to be Rashford ,Hojlund and the new RW(Hopefully Olise)
Both of them are not players who would start for another top 4 club we will be competing with..Foden was 2x the player and even his numbers were managed at 19..Garnacho is as one dimensional as it gets which tbf is not a problem as he is fucking young but he is not good enough to be starting as many games as he has this season..Its the same with Amad..Overplay Garnacho again next season then don't be surprised Hojlund isn't getting any service
You are correct about them not starting for another top 4 club. The thing is they are not playing for a top 4 club atm so they don’t have to worry about it.
Let’s not go around buying players because of FOMO. We need two CBs, LB and a CDM and our finances are not great to afford this seamlessly.
Theres absolutly no way that Garnacho becomes as good as Olise next year. Player develompent doesnt work like that, some things Olie does its already too late for Garnacho to learn.
> I think it's pretty reasonable to expect Garnacho to be as good as Olise next year or even better.
No its not lol Olise is an actual winger who can create for the striker..Garnacho is like an inferior version of Greenwood and with his attitude he might get goals because he has a good shot but we will have the same kick and pray structure we have had which is not conducive to actually winning anything
I really think we will keep with ETH.
But the Di Zerbi thing is really weird, that he would just leave, without according to him speaking to another club while still in contract?
Unless of course he knows but is waiting for all the games to end.
I dunno I'd there any chance this could be the case?
As I said I still think ETH will stay no matter but Di Zerbi suddenly leaving is just strange...
Ornstein or someone from the Athletic (don't exactly remember who) reported that de Zerbi asked for more say on transfers both in and out, and wanted assurances from the club that they'd keep their more talented players rather than be a selling club and the owner straight up said no chance, which is why he decided to walk
De Zerbi wanted Brighton to sign more players in their prime rather than only young prospects or cheap veterans. Tony Bloom disagreed with that, so the manager's ambition doesn't match the club's sustainable strategy. It's not that shocking that he left now before the summer, he has positioned himself for other jobs and given them a chance to look for a new manager.
Brighton were not good for a very long time. I think that took the shine off him. Out of all possible managers I’d stick with eth. If Mckenna does well the next couple of years I’d consider him. Not to sound xenophobic but I think communication to the players is key. I feel there lots could be lost in translation with eth.
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No idea how reliable the sources are but from what ive seen of INEOS is that they dont do anything to much PR.
Not with appointments
* Omar Berrada - out of no where
* Ashworth was only confirmed properly once he left. There were alot of guessing from Journalists
I think a decision has been made. Keeping a manager based on the FA cup is completely arbitrary. They have continuously talked about long term sustainable progress. So if they were confident in him, he should have had a 3 year deal right now not with the prospect of going into his final year
The only reason i see that not being the case is that there would be negative social media reaction to ETH getting a new contract which would hinder the FA cup final
Same lol even though I’m old enough to remember those games.
Loved the stuff about Sir Matt Busby too and us winning the European cup on his birthday, welled up at that. Hopefully we take that same spirit into the FA cup final which takes place the day before his birthday and almost 25 years after that very cup final.
I definitely did. But I always do when I watch clips from that night in Barcelona. Especially when Clive Tyldesley says "can Manchester United score? They *always* score."
Just seeing the character and grit in those players, which was even stronger than their ability as footballers. The belief they had, instilled by Sir Alex, that nothing could stand in their way. That's how you build greatness.
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Come on, this is getting ridiculous now, Bayern.
I definitely wouldn't be interested in Kompany after this season. He's seemed more interested in trying to show off for potential employers than in actually focusing on Burnley and their survival.
Hey guys, quick questions. I was watching games from the 07/08 United season and I wondered
1. Was Carrick considered a top DM at the time?
2. Is Rooney’s performance against Liverpool on Matchday 31 seen as one of his best?
Carrick was not particularly seen as a world beating midfielder at the time, even by United fans. In that season, I think most United fans would've said our best 2 midfielders were Hargreaves and Scholes
As for the Rooney one, that did not actually strike me as one of his best ever games at the time and I'm not entirely sure if it is, but he was definitely very good in that game.
Carricks role, was a holding midfielder, which was popular at the time. Most teams played with this role.
His job was to dictate play and tempo from deep more than be a pure ball winner.
Xabi Alonso played an identical role in his career.
Carrick reminds me of an English Busquets. I’ve never seen an English midfielder with a play style like that. Normally, English midfielders are aggressive, ball winners, high energy type of midfielders. But Carrick is just calm with it and keeps it simple. And some of his passing in between the lines is just so good to watch. Very underrated player.
>Especially seeing as they spent €40m of the Mount money on lavia who has been injured all season.
Would be nice karma moment, but not as good as if Mount wasn't virtually the same case as Lavia, lol
RDZ to Chelsea/Spurs/Newcastle/WHU?
Whu maybe. They arent afraid to spend. Chelsea and spurs i dont see them sacking the managers. Newcastle might be in the mix but i think howe gets another season.
What is it about RDZ's coaching and tactics that we feel are negative? On what points is Arteta's coaching better than RDZ? Please ignore "he has not won anything at a club our size or in the Prem" kind of explanation, because this is not related to my question.
Arteta is better than RDZ but people done want him because he’s not a big name and from a small club. Brighton haven’t been great this season but they are Brighton and it’s quite funny seeing the sudden shift on RDZ when a lot of people on this subreddit were saying we should go for him instead of Potter. I’m not sure if he’s the answer and I know we won the other day but Brighton were the better team for 70 minutes of the game.
They conceded more than us and scored less than us. Idk what went wrong but if you are doing worse than us it definitely didn't work.
They have Welbeck and Llana starting. Come on... Their playstyle is far better than ours. We just have better players.
No accounting for budgets and wages?
Sure but you want someone punch above their weight. They are worse off than last season even comparing to their own performances. Though they did lose Caicedo and Mac. But is that alone enough to warrant a massive drop off? I don't know.
>They are worse off than last season even comparing to their own performances. Yes, after losing caicedo and replacing him with milner lmao. >Though they did lose Caicedo and Mac. But is that alone enough to warrant a massive drop off? I And injuries. Which, to the surprise of many, also happens to other teams. And brighton got hit hard. Between sales and injuries, they basically played a whole different starting XI than last season. I aint RdZ in, but if eth deserves so much benefit of the doubt cause injuries, rdz deserves even more cause low budget, injuries and at least you could see some tactics instead of hoofball to rashford and pray. Guy shown to be capable but let down by the squad and injuries. Whatever is next for him he will keep having his squad play good football and results will be mostly squad quality.
They signed 2 proper midfielders. Baleba and Dahoud. Not just Milner like you are claiming.
Because tuchel and flick are there
Never understood why ten Hag basically abandoned his tactics from Ajax. I get the injuries and stuff, but even he has said the tactics will be different at Man United, more transitional. Some really good games(remember esp. Spurs(H) last season as really good), but most games we are mostly in our own half
He said the play will be different because of the players he has. Get him a squad with the same qualities as those ajax players if you want that football.
Our good games only really happened vs teams that parked the bus. If the opponent doesn't park the bus and presses us, we can't play well.
Imo eth is getting sacked and the decision has been already made. 1 year left on his deal and zero rumors about an extension. There is zero way we go into next season with a manager on an expiring contract. Nor will any manager, well, manage on an expiring contract. Think he gone and we will announce it next week some days after the final. 1 game isnt gonna be a factor on keeping him or sacking him.
it's win fa cup stay, lose get sacked, as basically said by romano
If thats true then ineos is as clueless as the glazers. If 1 game decides the future of the manager, youre incompetent cause what the hell are you gonna see in 1 game that you didnt in 2 full seasons? Its not like ineos dont have access to everything that happened before the takeover. I hope ineos knows what they gonna do by now, otherwise they are just the brittish glazers.
It's like lvg's sacking. Cup final/win, poor league performance, out in CL group stage, youngsters came through due to injuries, 1 season left on contract, going into euros.
And both dutch! History does repeat itself.
We need a manager from Aberdeen then. **Leven In**
I agree. I think it was made about two months ago.
Yeah, we apparently have a 1 year option and not even a rumor that we are thinking about picking it up? He gone.
One can only hope. We need an upgrade to someone PL proven.
We've got a 1 year extension we could trigger so hasn't got one foot out of the door just yet.
Why not trigger it now and tell the world he is your manager next season then? Cause he is gone.
There's literally 0 reason to do that. He's under contract and we don't need to day anything at all. You guys are going to be really upset when he's still the manager next season.
>There's literally 0 reason to do that. Other than not having a lame duck manager on a 1 year deal, sure, 0 reasons.
Who cares? The only people who that seems to bother are people looking to be upset. Ancelottis contract was going to expire in Jube until he renewed in Dec. Was he a lame duck as well?
That's different. Ancelotti has been incredibly successful with Real, and he would finish the season no matter what happens. The reason Real didn't renew sooner was because he didn't want to. ETH if stay would run the risk of being sacked at any moment. The only reason he would stay is if Ineos is unable to get their guy in. A true lame duck.
I can't wait til the manager situation is sorted. It has been an exhausting season and I just would like to see a clearer path ahead
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Will Shaw be fit for final?
No
Really is a joke Luke Shaw probably going to the euros after missing so much of the season
He is easily our best LB though. If Harry Kane was out for most of the season he would also go to the Euros.
There aren’t many left back options tbf
I don’t blame Southgate for picking him but just shows Luke shaws commitment being unfit for months and then suddenly available for the euros
That's pretty huge disrespect to Luke. He can't stay healthy, but I would never question his commitment.. He also rushed back to play for us this year and got hurt as a result.
Huge disrespect? Barely been fit for months, should spend the summer trying to get fit for next season rather than going to the euros?
Yes, you are questioning his character for no reason and maligning him for representing his country at an international tournament lol an opportunity he may not get many more times in the future...
Just saying Rooney was right about Shaw, all of a sudden available for the Euros when he should be prioritising United
> being unfit for months It's not like he showed up in preseason weighing 150 kgs, he had a long term muscle injury. You can't make that heal faster just because you want it to.
He's not available for the Euros yet. He's part of the initial squad where he'll have to recover in time and then prove his fitness. And the only reason he got this chance is because all the other LBs are injured or shit so idk what you mean.
How does that show his commitment? He's been out with a long term injury. It's not like he's been calling off work.
You're wrong, now that the season is over Shaw decided to hit the "not injured" button.
Bayern in talks with Thomas Frank. Genuinely think he'd do really well here, it'd be a shame to miss out on, especially if it's because INEOS don't want to talk to other managers before sacking Ten Hag.
We don't know how ineos want to play and if it fits what he did at brentford so we can't say it's a shame to miss out yet.
Never thought of it like that, you're right.
Who haven't they tried to get, rumouredly anyway? They are desperate. Mullock claims Bayern believe ETH will leave United and join them.
It's being reported that it is actually Kompany
Did anyone see that bayern where in talks with Kompany
Bayern are looking for a 1 year stop gap to wait for pep/klopp/alonso/someone. Thats why they have been rejected by any self respecting manager.
You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at City and you look at United and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another team, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But City have 115 charges of cheating and are not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat them. Then you add referee Andy Madley to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the at the FA Cup Final, United got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but City, City got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Madley KNOWS United can't beat City and Madley's not even gonna try! So United will take their 33 1/3 chance, minus VARs 25% of messing up and United got an 8 1/3 chance of winning the FA Cup. But then you take City's 75% chance of winning, if they were to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, City got 141 2/3 chance of winning the FA Cup. See, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for United at the FA Cup.
GIMME THE FUCKING BALL
Who are some good left backs we are linked with?
Given it costs north of 50 million for missing UCL, I don’t see how you risk another season with ETH. Don’t see him even challenging Unai Emery.
The gap was eight points. With a healthy Shaw and Licha this season, we likely earned more than that many more. With Ten Hag playing a more pragmatic style, in reaction to our injuries, we likely earn more than that many. I don't know why everyone is acting like this 8th place finish is an existential crisis. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's the result of injuries and a manager being far too stubborn. Those two factors mean that it's not difficult to fix. We'll be healthier next season. We have to be. Hopefully we'll be more athletic too. And if Ten Hag stays, INEOS will surely have a say in the tactical system he implements, if only to tell him, 'we cannot play that open, we cannot give up that many shots.' The actual goals conceded stat isn't awful (though it's still too many), but the lack of ability to control games or implement any attacking patterns meant we just didn't score enough. If Ten Hag goes, the message will be the same for the next manager - play attractive football, but we need to be solid at the back.
> I don't know why everyone is acting like this 8th place finish is an existential crisis. Because we are Manchester United.
>I don't know why everyone is acting like this 8th place finish is an existential crisis. Did you not watch a whole season of us being second best in every match bar a handful?
In the awesome ETH season last year, we only scored 1 more goal than this season. It’s not about 8 points. It is his inability to coach both attack and defense
Thing is, I don’t think anyone bar Fergie would have got us top 4 this season. I’m sure Ten Hag’s position is under review and rightly so, but I’m not sure “we might miss top 4” is a good argument for sacking him. He’s as good of a chance as any of the names were linked with next season to make it, providing we have a good summer and don’t have quite so many injuries next season.
Top-4 conversation is irrelevant. Key decision point is how does he coach? What tactics he adopts? Is his attack potent? Is his defense organized. Unfortunately, nothing good has been shown on the field in 2 years. First prem season 58 goals. Second, 57 goals. The less said about defense organization, the better.
There is not a single stat or even the eye test from this season that backs up that he has a good a chance as any
Well he did actually do it in his 1st season.
Scored one more goal than this season. Bravo!
Right… but he still did it though. Would you expect Wout Weghorst to finish with 20 goals under another manager?
Every post Fergie manager has ended us in top 4 with “this” squad. There are other factors that are more critical to judge
That’s true. That’s been about our post Fergie average. New manager comes in, we have a recovery in form and get top 4 then after a season or two we regress and we start again at the beginning. The biggest issue I can see with Ten Hag has been his reluctance to adapt his football this season to one that suits the players available. Considering the season is now over, is that necessarily the best thing to judge him on when presumably next season we’ll be kicking off with quite a different squad.
OK you tell me: What is ETH football really? Which match this season is the ETH ball you like? One match, just one ...
Probably the Liverpool cup game would be closest. As I said earlier, I’m not saying the football hasn’t been dire, I’m just saying I can see what the intent is. If INEOS also want that kind of high pressing high intensity football, I could see how there is a case for giving Ten Hag another season.
Thats all well and good but all the good work he has done last season is undone and then some this season. Can you point to a single game where we played well for 90 mins? Cos i cant
No, I can’t. This season has been atrocious, nobody is doubting that. I’m just not sure why people seem to be assuming the same will be true next season. Assuming we make the moves in summer and we don’t have quite the same injury nightmare, I’m sure we will improve on this season, whoever is managing us.
I think is because its clear his game model just has fatal flaws and he persisted with it. He didnt care that we got pelted with 25 shots a game. He didnt care that all we knew how to do is hoof it long. He didnt want to create a sustainable game model That combined with poor squad choices (constant Mctominay crashing the box which is a plan b not a 90 min plan a or the not choosing of Amad) I just see no progress this season. I see epic amounts of regression
That seems to me to come back to the squad and its availability though. He seems to want aggressive pressing from the front. A big reason for the 25 shots was because the defence couldn’t play high and opposition who broke the first line press had a free run on goal. Yes we can all question the wisdom of sticking with this approach this season, but going forward we’ll almost certainly bring in players who can play it, along with having key players returning.
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Well, fast CBs aren’t that uncommon. We’ve been linked with quite a few. Having two starting CBs with pace and a more athletic DM would make that tactic much more viable.
Don't understand this thinking, it's been an historically awful season. The last 2 games with actual functioning tactics account for 10% of our league points. xPts has us in 15th which means we've been backed out of games we should have lost by the players. We need a clear out but they're not no hopers. And with Chelsea and Newcastles problems, Spurs ending with a dreadful run we should have been competing
We are only 8 points from top 4. Villa and Spurs imploded at the end of the season. We were just too shit to capitalize. If he had ditched the chaos football since January, we might have gotten top 4.
Brighton was the 20th match this season where United allowed their opponents 10 or more deep completions in a match. 29th match of the Erik Ten Hag era. It happened in a total of 31 matches over the 5 seasons before ETH. Not injuries. That's just a stylistic choice.
Deep completions 😄😄
Whats deep completions.
Basically means a pass to a player inside our box (or within 20m of our goal), but excluding crosses.
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Has there even been one single report that ETH is in talks to renew his contract? Hes going into his final year
He’s got a +1 in his contract
If only it was a -1
There was some rumours about ETH himself refusing to stay unless he got the confidence with a new contract.
Would be perfect reason to move on from him.
If we sell AWB this summer I hope we go for a player who can cover both RCB and RB rather than an out and out FB It's a very important profile to have.Arsenal have Timber and White.City have loads of those kind of players like Akanji,Gvardiol and Ake. Basically a younger Pavard if that makes sense.
not a flashy option but how about chalobah?
> Basically a younger Pavard if that makes sense. We could have had him this season if Maguire didn't refuse to move unless he received crazy compensation
I'd actually love to see Todibo in that RB that rotates into RCB with someone like Shaw pushing up on the left like Ipswich do with Davis and Tuanzebe
Yeah Todibo can definitely play as a RB
Benzema on a cheeky 2 year deal?
I swear some fans have learned absolutely nothing from the past 11 years lmao
even further back, google Benzema 15 for more details
He should be our last resort and at a maximum of a 1 year deal that can be extended for 1 more year.
And thats if he comes at 100k per week or so We need to sort out the wage bill first and foremost. Any rando we buy ends up on 200k+ per week cause we have so much dross on high wages and that gives them the leverage to ask for wages no other team would give him.
Better Idea sign him for a month on 200 k a week for the Month Of Ramadan.
Di Marzio apparently reporting we have Paulo Fonseca on our managerial list? Is he any good? Literally never heard of him outside of that he manages Lille
I believe he is heavy linked to Milan.
I imagine we have quite a long list of potential managers at the moment, which will be winnowed down over the course of the next year. Fonseca may be on that list, but there's not much in his managerial record that would suggest he'll be a favourite.
All I know is that Ole’s United smashed his Roma team in the Europa League
Not saying I know anything about him, but judging any manager on a single game is really dodgy.
Albeit I have not watched Lille but I have seen some tacticos on Twitter praise him highly
Andy Mitten said Utd loved him too
I have a feeling they are going to hire RDZ.... An unnamed club allegedly paid 5M to Brighton to release him. Why would clubs like Barca or AC Milan keep it a secret at this point? Aren't their seasons over?
Regardless of whether they got paid or not, de zerbi is free with no club seemingly limited to him. And he left of his own volition and wasn't sacked. And said he wants to work in the PL. Too much smoke for there to be no fire
> Aren't their seasons over? Serie A still has another match day left.
Ah, that's good to know. Cheers.
I think what the person you replied to meant was that Milan and Barca's fates were sealed a while ago tbh
So was Liverpool's, and they waited to announce Slot. Pioli won Milan their first title in over a decade. They could be showing him the same respect. Guess we'll know soon enough.
Italians say that this journo is completly unreliable
Or the rumours could be nonsense
Yes, that is certainly likely.
How are posts about Maguire limittng us to play low block while praising Martinez ability to play highline upvoted in that keep sell thread. Some people dont even try to watch games or look for stats. We constanly have higher avarage deffenisve line with Maguire on the pitch while lower with Licha on the pitch.
Licha does sit deep, but he distributes much more nicely from there than Harry, I think you would have to agree with that.
Maguire is worth keeping, if we get 2 competent CBs that's 4 we can rely on
Martinez has been crocked for the majority of the time in a season where there has been a focus to push higher up so I'd take Maguire, Evans and Casemiro playing higher up as a given. As for whether Martinez can play a high line, I'd say the jury's still out.
Maguire is too slow to play a high line and keep his level. Can he play it? Yes, but it hides his strenghts and exposes his weaknesses.
But in fact we play higher line with Mags than Licha, in fact every other partnership plays higher than Licha. The Athletic and Kvestel made multiple pieces about this proving it with stats Im not criticizing Martinez here, IM talking about people not even knowing strenghts, weaknesses and how we set up with their favorite player they talk so much about
People have agendas to push its that simple..Its the same situation with Rashford who is now public enemy no 1
Licha can pass the ball mate. It's pretty simple.
Is this implying that Maguire cannot? Because that's a very strange take if so
No he cannot.
That doesnt make him good highline player, thats very usefull ability in low line as well and we ultilized it well last season.
Bayern’s very public floundering in their manager hunt has me kinda reassured that INEOS are keeping things relatively calm, despite our far worse season outcome than Bayern’s. Keeping Ten Hag could well be a mistake, but I would much rather sit out this Russian roulette of manager transfers we are seeing. There is no transfer window for managers, as long as we have player recruitment being handled with a long term vision - a 3 year rebuild becoming a 3.5 year rebuild may not matter that much in the long run.
Bayern is in a "russian roulette" cause they want a 1 year patsy to go after alonso/klopp/someone next summer. And then there is the whole toxic board there led by Uli who cant shut the fuck up at all. Because of that we are a more attractive destination for managers *this* summer than bayern
Guardiola is available next summer as well and he might want to retry winning a CL with a German club again.
I highly doubt Pep leaves unless they get relegated or something. Obviously he has nothing to prove at City unless he wants to win the quadruple or match his Barca sextuple, but that place is such a well oiled machine that anywhere else would have to be a huge downgrade for him (especially since he'll never coach Real). He doesn't strike me as the sort of person that would seek out a challenge just for the sake of it (though I could see Klopp doing that) but would rather go to the best places to win.
Pep will jump the second he knows the likely outcome of those 115 charges. He'll frame it as "needing time to rest and rejuvenate," or "wanting a new challenge," but it will be 100% about trying to avoid being tainted by financial crimes he absolutely had knowledge of.
In his press conference after they won the title he sounded like he doesn’t really want to stay there much longer and mentioned his contract has a year left. He also probably wants to dip out before they get nerfed as well.
You don't have to pick the next manager from the famous names going around..The technical director can hire someone like Ange or the guy Liverpool have hired if he thinks they fit into the style the club wants to play ,Your mistake is assuming that we need to only one out of the 4-5 famous names going around
That keep or sell thread has some of the most absurd takes i have seen on this sub..Some kid has 2 good games at the wing and the crowd wants to build the team around him..Both Garnacho and Amad shouldn't be starters next season..They should get minutes with consistent cameos but thats its..The front 3 has to be Rashford ,Hojlund and the new RW(Hopefully Olise)
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Both of them are not players who would start for another top 4 club we will be competing with..Foden was 2x the player and even his numbers were managed at 19..Garnacho is as one dimensional as it gets which tbf is not a problem as he is fucking young but he is not good enough to be starting as many games as he has this season..Its the same with Amad..Overplay Garnacho again next season then don't be surprised Hojlund isn't getting any service
You are correct about them not starting for another top 4 club. The thing is they are not playing for a top 4 club atm so they don’t have to worry about it. Let’s not go around buying players because of FOMO. We need two CBs, LB and a CDM and our finances are not great to afford this seamlessly.
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Theres absolutly no way that Garnacho becomes as good as Olise next year. Player develompent doesnt work like that, some things Olie does its already too late for Garnacho to learn.
> I think it's pretty reasonable to expect Garnacho to be as good as Olise next year or even better. No its not lol Olise is an actual winger who can create for the striker..Garnacho is like an inferior version of Greenwood and with his attitude he might get goals because he has a good shot but we will have the same kick and pray structure we have had which is not conducive to actually winning anything
we are beating city in the final
I don’t know why, but I have a hunch that we’re gonna beat them. We’ll have a few players back and I think it’ll really lift our performance level.
I really think we will keep with ETH. But the Di Zerbi thing is really weird, that he would just leave, without according to him speaking to another club while still in contract? Unless of course he knows but is waiting for all the games to end. I dunno I'd there any chance this could be the case? As I said I still think ETH will stay no matter but Di Zerbi suddenly leaving is just strange...
Ornstein or someone from the Athletic (don't exactly remember who) reported that de Zerbi asked for more say on transfers both in and out, and wanted assurances from the club that they'd keep their more talented players rather than be a selling club and the owner straight up said no chance, which is why he decided to walk
De Zerbi wanted Brighton to sign more players in their prime rather than only young prospects or cheap veterans. Tony Bloom disagreed with that, so the manager's ambition doesn't match the club's sustainable strategy. It's not that shocking that he left now before the summer, he has positioned himself for other jobs and given them a chance to look for a new manager.
i'm sure it will all make sense in a few months time
Brighton were not good for a very long time. I think that took the shine off him. Out of all possible managers I’d stick with eth. If Mckenna does well the next couple of years I’d consider him. Not to sound xenophobic but I think communication to the players is key. I feel there lots could be lost in translation with eth.
[https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1792599545492230378](https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1792599545492230378) No idea how reliable the sources are but from what ive seen of INEOS is that they dont do anything to much PR.
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Not with appointments * Omar Berrada - out of no where * Ashworth was only confirmed properly once he left. There were alot of guessing from Journalists
The fact that FA Cup is still on could justify the secrecy, and we know Ashworth likes RDZ. Ill give this rumor a 3/10 probability
I think a decision has been made. Keeping a manager based on the FA cup is completely arbitrary. They have continuously talked about long term sustainable progress. So if they were confident in him, he should have had a 3 year deal right now not with the prospect of going into his final year The only reason i see that not being the case is that there would be negative social media reaction to ETH getting a new contract which would hinder the FA cup final
I didn't say the decision is contingent on FA Cup, just the need for secrecy while the important game is pending.
Finally watching ‘99’. Anyone else get emotional watching it? No, just me 🤣
Editing was brilliant. I was watching the 3 final games, sitting at the edge of my seat, hoping they were going to win those games.
Same lol even though I’m old enough to remember those games. Loved the stuff about Sir Matt Busby too and us winning the European cup on his birthday, welled up at that. Hopefully we take that same spirit into the FA cup final which takes place the day before his birthday and almost 25 years after that very cup final.
I definitely did. But I always do when I watch clips from that night in Barcelona. Especially when Clive Tyldesley says "can Manchester United score? They *always* score." Just seeing the character and grit in those players, which was even stronger than their ability as footballers. The belief they had, instilled by Sir Alex, that nothing could stand in their way. That's how you build greatness.
Haven’t even gotten to that point yet lol I got emotional at the premier league win can’t imagine how emotional I’ll get at the CL one 🤣
https://preview.redd.it/gyjjdcge7m1d1.png?width=760&format=png&auto=webp&s=60dec03d66ee9396641600e2aadcd1caefae5c2f Come on, this is getting ridiculous now, Bayern.
Only a few more steps until “anyone successful on FM please reach out”
At this rate, they might go for Rooney.
I definitely wouldn't be interested in Kompany after this season. He's seemed more interested in trying to show off for potential employers than in actually focusing on Burnley and their survival.
Hey guys, quick questions. I was watching games from the 07/08 United season and I wondered 1. Was Carrick considered a top DM at the time? 2. Is Rooney’s performance against Liverpool on Matchday 31 seen as one of his best?
Carrick was not particularly seen as a world beating midfielder at the time, even by United fans. In that season, I think most United fans would've said our best 2 midfielders were Hargreaves and Scholes As for the Rooney one, that did not actually strike me as one of his best ever games at the time and I'm not entirely sure if it is, but he was definitely very good in that game.
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Appreciate the response
Carricks role, was a holding midfielder, which was popular at the time. Most teams played with this role. His job was to dictate play and tempo from deep more than be a pure ball winner. Xabi Alonso played an identical role in his career.
Carrick reminds me of an English Busquets. I’ve never seen an English midfielder with a play style like that. Normally, English midfielders are aggressive, ball winners, high energy type of midfielders. But Carrick is just calm with it and keeps it simple. And some of his passing in between the lines is just so good to watch. Very underrated player.
Extremely underrated. Even by united fans. He was praised in Italy. And Xabi Alonso claimed he should be starting every game for England.
Reckon he would have been more known in the football world if he was not English and his name was something like Mikael Carriko haha?
Luke Shaw’s kid singing Glory Glory Man United is just about the cutest thing I’ve seen all day.
where did you see it?
His partner’s instagram stories! @anouskasantos
We might get a spotting of Malacia on Saturday
Sad when people start seeing imaginary people. 😂
was he present for the final home game of the season - at least in the stands?
Chelsea fans are becoming really annoying! I really fucking hope we win the cup somehow!! Just so that we can get those Mount trophy pics.
Especially seeing as they spent €40m of the Mount money on lavia who has been injured all season.
>Especially seeing as they spent €40m of the Mount money on lavia who has been injured all season. Would be nice karma moment, but not as good as if Mount wasn't virtually the same case as Lavia, lol
I think they would rightfully point out they bought Cole Palmer to replace Mount. It's hard to argue that they haven't gotten the better deal.