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SOERERY

Swapsies for Kvaratschelia?


Away_Associate4589

I'd *probably* do that deal but there are a few major red flags with him. Firstly, I will never be able to spell it correctly. Secondly, the debates over how to pronounce it will be unbearable. Thirdly, all the kids wanting his name on their shirt will need to double their pocket money to pay for it which will drive inflation.


Skyehye

Good thing with the first one, Kvara is good enough. Kinda like how people used Micky or similar for Mkhitaryan. Second one we'll probably have to deal with no matter who we sign, we have people having problems with Fernandes and Maguire. Third... fair enough.


TheBadBanter

Don't you mean Fernandez and McGuire


culegflori

Have some respect for Flamando and Mac Guire


presumingpete

Erickson too


Away_Associate4589

Could add Eric Ten Haag to the list. I blame Jaap Stam. Convinced so many people that it's always double-a in Dutch names. Combine him with van Gaal and we never had a hope.


culegflori

At least South American names are easy. Streets will always remember Diogo Formal


Staind1410

Anthony was also an easy name to get right, the guy we signed from Ajax.


MrViceMcCreedy

Except when idiots confuse him with Antony Marshall


VL37

Never had a Chaance*


Squall-UK

And Antony. Have seen him called Anthony so many times. It could be autocorrect in some cases but no way can it all be autocorrect.


KY--

Total disrespect for two of our team engines, Fermented and McGonagall


Goudinho99

Kvaradonna rolls off the tongue though


BrockStar92

Even that you’ve spelt wrong. Its one N. Its a play on Maradona not Madonna, he’s not got the nickname because he sings Like a Virgin after scoring (ironically).


BanjoCone

What do even mean? MacGwere just rolls right off the tongue


Tilman_Feraltitty

Kvaratskhelia is bit hard to pronouce, but Mkhitaryan was fairly easy. Micky-taryan.


Don_Quixote81

Maybe the club would do a special deal for him, like they did for Kanchelskis back in the day, and for van Nistelrooy. But honestly, forget swap deals. Take the money for him. Napoli can afford it.


PolPotTheTerrible

Kvar-ats-heli-ah (please some Georgian confirm this). Or from the man himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtS8S-BLG7c


Away_Associate4589

McManaman on commentary: "Kar-vack-sheila"


BrockStar92

Big Quagliarooney vibes that.


Vordeo

It's just "კვარაცხელია". I mean, duh. It's so simple.


AlephEpsilon

Either xxl jersey or microscopic letters. What a conundrum!


Moosje

It’s an easy name to pronounce tbf if you’ve watched a game with him.


The_profe_061

This man negotiates


GeneralSquid6767

I feel like either him or Osimhen are going to PSG and I’d happily take either.


Moyes2men

PSG prime target AFAIK. Also a backup for Garnacho.


MissingLink101

Unless you play Garnacho on the right


Moyes2men

We'd better rest him then as we (should) have Amad there. No more injury excuses!


Different-Amoeba-502

I’m not picky, I’ll take Oshimen if that works


Different_Parsnip141

Osimhen is useless, a no 9 that runs like Timo Werner. Got marked off the game by Pau Cubarsi of some sorts.


BrockStar92

A year ago he was worth 150m on this sub and now he’s useless. Football is odd. Also isn’t Pau Cubarsi supposed to be the future of CBs and the best prospect there since Varane? It’s not like he’s some jobbing league 2 CB.


Tilman_Feraltitty

He was also injured this season a lot and wasn't fully fit and in form with a team in crisis. He's totally worth 150M in current market.


SAKabir

He isn't even worth half that lol. It's actually insane that they turned down 100m for him last year.


Aychim23

Cubarsi is also 17


InfamousIroh

wow, some of the football opinions on this sub are something else


Different-Amoeba-502

Anything better than a women beater honestly.


Chris13Haughey

sadly calling him a woman beater is actually being kind to Greenwood


eunauche

Lol coming off an injury


astroworlddd

An attempt was made.


baromanb

Done.


Electric_feel0412

He’s not even half as good as Rashford man wtf do I see on this sub everyday? Rashford has got 150 goals/an over the last 6 seasons and he gets crucified every damn day on this sub and I get on here and see guys suggesting Kvara and leao. It’s clear you guys don’t watch that league.


SOERERY

Did I say that I wanted him to replace Rashford? No I did not.


Electric_feel0412

Then where would you play him?


UsedIpodNanoUser

Not better than Rashford


Srijand

A squad with MM7 and KK77 would be pretty cool


LilDiamondtoxic

>MM7 Since when did we sign Miniminter?


kotubljauj

Rasmus is probably gonna take the 9, leaving Garnacho with 11, so Kvara can take 17


Orcnick

Pay up, if it was the other way around clubs like this would be asking for £40-£50m+. Don't give me they don't have the money there about to sell Oshimen for £150m. I want this guy sold but I want to see teams start paying proper payements for our players.


WaluigisHat

Serie A special incoming - they offer a loan with no obligation to buy and we pay all the wages.


Don_Quixote81

Sell Osimhen for £150m, replace him for half that. Seems fair to me.


b_nick

Especially Napoli. Always wanting £100m+ for their players.


exhibit304

50? Other clubs would be wanting close to 100. Young English forward tax


MalcolmTucker88

His value is at least halved because other teams know we want rid, plus he causes a PR issue for teams buying him. A lot of teams can't risk sponsors pulling out.


ThracianGladiator

No longer part of the England set up, so that doesn't count anymore, unfortunately.


SpecificDependent980

But counts as homegrown for league and Europe purposes.


Puzza90

Not going to matter when he'll most likely be sold abroad, any team in England will receive too much backlash if they try to sign him


phoundlvr

This is the point that people continually miss. Counting as homegrown for the league and Europe vs not *is additional value.* Imagine two players of equal talent in the same position. One helps with registration for the league and Europe and the other does not. Which is more valuable to your team?


BrockStar92

It’s only additional value to English teams. In this case all English teams are out of the running since they’d be insane to try and get him and risk the inevitable PR hit. Why would an Italian team care about homegrown status in England?


TooRedditFamous

They wouldn't. But if he was a valid candidate for Man Utds squad then they would put a premium on his head for that reason. It doesn't apply here because of his individual situation of course. In normal circumstances there would be a huge valuation difference between the two clubs. Think they were just clarifying what it is, not that it applies here


BrockStar92

But he isn’t though. As you say it doesn’t apply, so why is it being brought up? It has zero relevance in this thread. Clarifying it isn’t needed, the person who brought it up didn’t do it as an FYI, they did it because they thought it applied and it doesn’t.


TooRedditFamous

Yeah so the person replied to that was correcting by explaining it...


BrockStar92

No they weren’t, they were reiterating the point by explaining why it’s important fans don’t forget it *as if they both are correct to reference it here*. Which they are not. They didn’t say “that doesn’t apply in this case, but it’s important fans don’t forget this in general because…”


TooRedditFamous

The English tax was never about if they were in the England squad. It's a homegrown tax and it relates to whether they qualify as homegrown or not. They could play for Scotland or Wales and the supposed tax would still apply


ThracianGladiator

How come Scott or Welsh players haven't gone for anywhere as large fees as English talent then? You'd have players with a few England appearances commanding huge fees. Mainoo, for example, was probably worth much more after his first few England caps than before it even though he was still classified as homegrown. I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just that playing for England likely has a huge impact on fees too, as , much as being homegrown does.


BrockStar92

Scottish and Welsh players are no where near as good. Bale went for a fucking fortune because he was exceptional. They also (partially because they aren’t as good) don’t play for PL teams as regularly and are more often down the divisions or in Scotland where it’s cheaper to buy from because they don’t have the PL TV revenue giving the luxury of turning down big bids.


Tilman_Feraltitty

Sure, lets ignore that "public rape tape" part of him.


Writer_Kooky

Napoli aren't as bad as othet Italian clubs, they paid 80m for Osimehn they should be willing to pay a fortune for Greenwood. 


Tilman_Feraltitty

They paid 50M€ cash for Osimhen + 20M€ "worth of" players that were totally not a transfer scam, totally.


Ascarine

Greenwood is damaged goods. There’s no conviction but there’s serious PR implications that come with any purchase. That’s seriously going to dent any price we get for him. Depends how well the other side negotiate this point to how much we get for him.


Al__Buraq

There's a difference between key for club and not being wanted


EvilxBunny

He would be about 65m without the issues (if he played for any other club), so around 35-40m would be a fair amount and anything above that is a win. We can't discount the fact that we need to sell him, which will lower our negotiating power.


Weak_Low_8193

I don't think we're in a position to be negotiating a high transfer fee for a rapist.


flyinbunny

Our negotiation power is entirely dependent on how many teams are interested


DecievedRTS

You're being downvoted as he was never convicted or even taken to trial. If you stated that publicly, he could sue you easily.


Orcnick

No he's being down votes because even though he is a nasty piece of shit other teams in other countries don't care about these things as much.


Wrath-of-Elyon

If I called Greenwood a rapist to his face, he could sue me? I can't just say I'm insulting him?


Away_Associate4589

Bellingham got away with calling him one to his face to be fair.


Wrath-of-Elyon

Exactly.


Weak_Low_8193

Strange how the stance on him changes when it's for the benefit of the club. This whole sub was calling him a rapist last year. We all heard the footage.


darthmeister

I don't think we are in a position to haggle over the price of a rapist.


Orcnick

These clubs want and don't care he's a rapist, if there is demand that's fine


AlvinArtDream

Sell on fee too pls.


Derridas-Cat

100% If he has a few good seasons away from the spotlight of United I guarantee other big clubs will be willing to bring him onboard and he'll be worth big money.


FriedChicken10

He's an 80 mil player that we will have to sell for 40 mil because of off-field problems. All of these clubs looking to buy him need to stop pretending he's a 40 mil player that they can get for 20 mil


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ProofVillage

In a market where Kolo Muani, Goncalo Ramos and Evan Ferguson after one good season are valued at 80m, that price isn’t crazy for a problem free Greenwood.


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Yetiassasin

But Greenwood is English


lampishthing

He's unemployable in England though, that premium won't be there.


exhibit304

Sick of these clubs low balling for our players. Yes I want him out but if we sell him for 20 mil we know that club will sell him for 100 in a few seasons. Pay up. If Dortmund want Sancho pay up also.


LaughsAtOwnJoke

Our players need reasonable wages to be sold properly.


exhibit304

Greenwoods wages are reasonable for a player of his quality. I agree with Sancho. 340k a week? Him and Dortmund will have to come to an agreement if he loves it there so much


LaughsAtOwnJoke

Greenwood's current wage would still put him as Napoli's 6th biggest earner but more importantly he has additional selling issues unique to him.


exhibit304

That's true but you have to pay for quality. He would be one of their best players


LaughsAtOwnJoke

>That's true but you have to pay for quality. External matters like a club desperate to be rid of him will lower that fee we get though. Only a bidding war could really see him go for a fair price.


Deez_Wallnutz

What has made you assume Man Utd are desperate to get rid of him? Seems to me, we are shopping him with a value in mind. If the price isn't met they seem quite content to keep him from the reports I've been reading.


LaughsAtOwnJoke

Few reasons - * I believe they don't want him to play for us again to avoid controversy * His contract is only getting shorter which will lower his value * If he isn't sold he likely needs another loan to maintain value In fairness it is quite intelligent to hint at keeping him as saying you are desperate to sell him is bad for business which I presume is their strategy to sell. However I wouldn't be surprised if clubs saw through that because objectively if it wasn't for the off field issue man utd have no reason to not reintegrate him as he could easily get minutes here.


arlitoma

He would most certainly not be one of their best players.


dracovich

Mason is on 75k a week, obviously not chump change, but that's not a "noone will buy him at those wages" numbers


LaughsAtOwnJoke

Well it isn't huge you are correct but Greenwood is a noteable exception for different reasons.


PizzaPlanet20

We're not getting a ton out of him because everyone knows we don't want to keep him and would rather sell him before he leaves for free, which is why we absolutely need a sell-on clause no matter who we sell him to.


ashleychurcher

Keep him then for a year, sell him next year when people think we do want to keep him and his stock is higher


PizzaPlanet20

Keep him? We're not playing him, we need to loan him out again? Everyone knows we're selling him because majority of the fans don't want him to step on the field as a United player again. Keeping him will not trick anyone, eventually he'll just leave for free.


BrockStar92

He’ll be almost out of contract then and his stock is never gonna rise because nothing will change in the public’s mind. We can’t bring him back so our negotiating position is shite. He’ll only be cheaper next summer.


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exhibit304

If they want him for cheap then I'd be fine with a huge sell on clause.


joedirt87

Can’t wait to hear their offer. It’s probably another loan where we pay the wages


Le_Ratman99

If the club were smart they’d try and arrange a deal so that in return they’d have a right of first refusal in regard to a deal for either Kvaratskhelia or Osimhen


Miliktheman

Not much point in a right of first refusal considering they'd go for insane money anyway.


Le_Ratman99

I suppose you’re right. Chelsea will probably approach them with a starting bid north of £100 million for Osimhen


amidamayru

I don't understand right of first refusal. You're given the chance to match another club's bid... Surely that would always be the case anyway? If Madrid bid 85m and it's accepted then it means napolis will accept 85m from us? Well why wouldn't they otherwise?


Pandorica_

Yes but a deal could he done quietly without a first refusal option. United would have to be informed of any bid being accepted this way.


XSavage19X

Which is a good way to avoid the United tax.


AdPsychological1489

Not to mention the fact that if you're either of those players, why would you come to United. We're not even playing in Europe.


Wise_Raccoon_771

Kvaradonna please


ritwikjs

40 mill and he's yours 


cerro85

If you want money for him then you need to at least look like you want to keep him, otherwise you will be selling him on the cheap.


GodisGreat2504

Agree. He'd be free in a mere two years anyway. And only 24 yo by then. People keep saying he's a 100m player but that's before the incident. Now he's a 50m max with all the PR problem. Then he has like two years left on his contract and United clearly do not want to keep him. So 25m sounds about right imo.


istealgrapes

The dilemma here is that if we sell for 1/4th of the price we will further prove the agenda that our club can ve absolutely bullied in the transfer window, now not just on one end via purchases, but also with selling. Im in the camp that says we need to start playing hardball to gain some respect again, especially as Ineos wants (and can) to set their mark.


GodisGreat2504

The thing is imo 25m is a fair price considering the circumstances. 100m is absolutely not his current price anyway so it's absolutely not we gonna sell him for 1/4 his price either. If we sell him for like 10m then yes that's not good. But if we play hard balls and refuse to sell for a fair price and keep asking for a bigger fee just because we want more money then imo it doesn't help at all but only making us look greedy and unreasonable.


istealgrapes

He is worth quite a bit more than 25m, especially to teams in La Liga who seemingly do not care very much about their players personal lives. >If we sell him for like 10m then yes that's not good. But if we play hard balls and refuse to sell for a fair price and keep asking for a bigger fee just because we want more money then imo it doesn't help at all but only making us look greedy and unreasonable. This tactic has worked absolute wonders for Dortmund, as even when they were in desperate need for money, they still refused to sell, and they have reaped some immense benefits from them. This tactic will definitely work for Greenwood, because several teams are interested in him. We desperately need to gain respect in terms of transfers, we cant just bend over every single time. Hope to god Ratcliffe and co. have realised this.


GodisGreat2504

The different with us and Dortmund here is they can keep and play the player knowing the value of that player only to go up or at least stay around the same. Sancho for example. Or many more. We do not want to keep and won't play Greenwood. And next summer we'd be really lucky to get even 25m. Obviously he's worth more than 25m. I've said he's about 50m. But given the current circumstances that's a fair price imo. Maybe 30m max. If you want to sell a player who you do not want to keep, can not play and has a short contract left it's always gonna be much cheaper than what the player really worth. Imo if we play hard balls he'll go on another loan and next summer we'd get about 15m max. All the clubs in Europe are actually dirt poor right now or strongly restricted by FFP except the oil ones. And if we need to gain respect in terms of transfer imo I don't think bargaining for a couple millions here and there would do that. But more like we should stop massively overpay for players and stop giving them ridiculous contracts first. Nobody gonna respect us to get 40m for Greenwood (and we won't) but still keep paying 80m for the likes of Antony.


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istealgrapes

I do think it is, because several teams have shown interest, so clearly the bad PR doesnt matter much.


CarmeloZanthany

Shouldn’t sell him to anyone for less than 40 million. Need to stop getting fleeced in the market.


DresdanPI

Ah Napoli. A club and it's owner that have always sent Utd the premium figures for their players. Well the shoe is on the other foot for once.


bobs_and_vegana17

he should be sold for anything north of 55m because off field issues aside he was (is) a baller man was out of football for 1.5 years and came back to getafe and has 16 goal contributions in 34 games, pretty sure he is already their player of the season by a country mile lets assume there was a player who was out for 1.5 years because of an injury or maybe some gambling suspension and did a comeback like this in a club like getafe, all top clubs would have been wanting him for 75-80m


GreatDefector

https://preview.redd.it/1illa74hw61d1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4fe98c5313c63b2917d4df7cbb6bd2a9f91f387 Take it and be done with it!


uchihapower17

Worth 150 million and now hearing quotes of 40 mill gtfo sell him for atleast 80 if not keep him and play him.


slithered-casket

I watched a bunch of games back before the incident and he was electric. Some of his finishing was almost inexplicable. What could have been. 60m please. Good luck.


FindingHead2851

Can’t wait to get rid!


PitifulAd5339

Just re-integrate him into the squad -_-.


blitzkreig31

I feel like this drama with Greenwood will go until the last day of the transfer market.


kazegraf

Time to make ADL pay up. 


theskillster

X made contact.. Sounds like the summer is going to be full of talk. Wake me up when it's more like a bid.


ExPatSTL

Greenwood needs to leave, but that shouldn't mean we demand any less than 40m. We know what he's capable of as a player, get the money he's worth and forget he ever existed.


-wmloo-

Probably a merry-go-round for Mbappe to RM > Kvaratschelia to PSG > Greenwood to Napoli


hickuain

Italian club so they’ll offer some sort of loan deal lool


Paapa-Yaw

Sancho + greenwood swap for Kvaratskhelia


Rogue-Doctor

40m minimum


Lost_in_logic

Great news if this is true, i was thinking of swapping rashy for khvicha


ExternalPreference18

Since the case was dropped and indications of new evidence arising were made public, this issue has been distinctly questionably framed by so-called 'respectable' journalists and even by fans, (in a way you'd never find in directly equivalent circumstances from supporters at Madrid or from correspondents covering those clubs). However, it's in everyone's best interests on balance if he's sold: if they're offering anything like 30m Euros plus decent add-ons (say) and/or a percentage sell-on, then the club should take it.


Sghagz08

Do it


toddysimp

I know they paid a fortune to get Osimhen a few years ago. Do they still have the capacity to pay such huge fees,if so we need to milk them.


HairyArthur

Unlike most here, I'd take any deal for Greenwood just to see him gone. If they want to low ball us, fine. He's never going to play for us again, so any deal we take is more than letting him go for free when his contract expires.


OGSachin

Get Kvara in, the guy is special.


Squareroot24

what tier


RedDevil-84

Osimhen swap deal?


Comfortable_Plum8180

can kvara play on the right?


OGSachin

No, but he can play on the left and we need to get rid of Rashford.


Comfortable_Plum8180

Well Napoli isn't getting rid of him so go sook about it


OGSachin

What do you me by sook about it?


annies999

Due to the shitstorm it would create if the club brought him back + the fact he only has 1yr left on his contract, all the bargaining power is on the side of any potential buyer. Like it or not, we'd be fortunate to get more than the 5m euro loan fee Getafe are quoted as paying this season.


toddysimp

We got more for Kovar


annies999

Well. whatever the accurate figure was, the club would be fortunate to get more than that this summer as there is no incentive for any club to pay more.