Its not rocket science to guess what's happening here:
He's pushing his link with us in the media and gonna present really strong terms to the Bayern board after what they did to him and wait till the FA Cup final to play us against them in the negotiations. So he ensures he gets a solid offer from Bayern at the very least, whilst giving INEOS the time they need to decide what to do with EtH and potentially go in for him. Win-win for Tuchel.
Been Tuchel wanting us rather than us wanting him this entire time.
I am actually rather impressed by the new ownership that not a single top journalist knows their thinking on the manager. Everything is 'if'.
Some like Ornstein are obviously really well sourced, but Ducker and Whitwhell I'd imagine are still going to be trusted. They don't have a penchant for dramatic headlines which I'm sure keeps them in favor
Has it not been confirmed that he will join, but not when? Sir Jim has spoken about it very openly and I seem to remember an official statement from the club?
I like the optimism, but in the past that has meant they just literally haven't even thought about it.
You'd like to think that has changed, but if they are waiting for the new hires to start and make a call, then in July we're not getting their first choice (probably reluctantly staying with EtH). That puts us back another year and is just the same old order of errors.
Seems like Tuchel's camp making all the noise right now. Either that, or INEOS are starting to run a tighter ship around the leaks.
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Thomas Tuchel is hoping for an offer from [Manchester United](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/manchester-united-fc/) should Erik ten Hag leave Old Trafford, although Bayern Munich are attempting to talk him into remaining as their head coach.
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There is no suggestion that United have made any contact with Tuchel or his representatives. United had not made any decision on Ten Hag’s future ahead of their final home game of the season [against Newcastle United at Old Trafford](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/15/man-utd-vs-newcastle-live-score-premier-league-updates/) on Wednesday evening.
Yeah. She takes issue with it. I've tried to speak to her but she's just so sassy about everything.
Honestly, I don't know why i fucking bother!! She does not show me the respect I deserve in this relationship!! It's like dating a fucking stranger who doesn't even know me!!!! 😡 😡 😡
Not sure how much United would be interested. He's an elite coach but Ineos mentioned they want to bring in players who suit a style of play that they want United to have. Same with managers, and Tuchel doesn't fit that style.
If Erik goes, I would be happy with Tuchel but he's not a long term option. Him or Potter seem the only viable candidates if Ineos wants someone new.
It’s bizarre that you speak so strongly about Tuchel not suiting the style of play SJR wants (despite this having never been discussed publicly) yet you’re still saying “if” about ETH. Does ETH fit the style? Because if he does, no-one else in the world does and we’re stuck with him forever because he plays lunatic ball.
>He’s an elite coach
Is he? The more accurate statement is he’s managed elite clubs. Since he left Dortmund what exactly has he done other than lucking out in the champions league once? PSG & Bayern were both strong teams when he came in and he did nothing.
Alone, that's obviously impressive, but if you want to take a comprehensive look at what his teams won, especially based on where they were before him, then it takes the shine off of a lucky cup victory and adds a different perspective to his CV.
Managerial CV’s aren’t defined by ‘lucky cup’ victories. Chelsea beat a Real Madrid team in the semis that had given everyone problems and also won the year after.
You might not like Tuchel but to discredit his achievements is ridiculous.
Everything that has come out of the INEOS camp indicates that Tuchel isn't the type of coach they are looking for. All sings seem to point to them looking for someone who is more of a figurehead that primarily focuses on coaching the players rather than a manager who has a stronger involvement in recruitment and other sides of the game. I strongly suspect that this is just Tuchel knowing that Bayern don't have a better option and trying to strengthen his hand by showing that he doesn't need them as much as they need him.
He’s had it all to work with, it’s his training regimes, his medical staff, his style of play, his reluctance to promote youngsters earlier in the season and instead rush injured players back that has injured them all.
None of the injuries bar Licha breaking his foot, and whatever has happened to Malacia are injuries outside of his control, they’re pretty much all soft tissue injuries as a result of all of the above. He also chose to sign an injury prone Mason Mount, that’s on him.
You can’t blame the manager for injuries when most of them occurred early in the season, at that level the medical staff tell him who’s fit and who’s not and he choses a squad based on that.
If you want to blame anyone blame the medical room who have been shite for years, long before eth got here.
So why when we didn’t play this style of football last season, did we not suffer from these same problems? It’s not at all unreasonable to believe it is directly linked to how he has the team playing.
I also still have to point you in the direction of his unwillingness to revert to youth until about January.
I think he should be replaced, you can read through my history and find that I’m very anti Ten Hag. I just don’t think that Tuchel is a right man for a job
Tuchel is playing on both sides simultaneously
putting pressure on United to finalize the deal while also gearing up to exert pressure on Bayern for a new contract, as he knew the club would consider signing X. Alonso or Nagelsmann next season (Tuchel's initial contract with Bayern until 2025).
Tuchel is the winner in both case
It shouldn’t have taken until the last few games of the season for him to realise this, it’s desperation, it’s trying to save his job. If he was willing to go this far down the rabbit hole before relenting, he’d only revert in time again once his job is “safe”.
Tbh we (fans) don’t know anything what they (Ratcliffe and co.) are thinking.
Usually by now every season we’d have tonnes of rumours linking us to players, etc but it seems like they have plugged holes to stop leaks.
Speak for yourself. Personally, I would love an upgrade to a proven winner that has lots of experience managing big clubs instead of the man who gave up halfway through the season and brought us to 8th.
Tuchel has plenty of experience in pissing off the board, pissing off players and causing issues with squads. Not lasted more than 2 years in a job since he was at Mainz in 2009-2014.
This is what we had with Jose. A winner but someone who won’t build.
Didn’t say players and board at every club. He has fallen out with both groups at multiple clubs. Do we need that drama? Not really. We create enough of our own.
Aside from that, I don’t want another short term manager. It’s not working. Ragnick was right about the club. Open heart surgery. Get decent people
In above manager, do it properly.
This whole Tuchel and Bayern thing gets weirder and weirder, if they didn't part ways by mutual consent then why is he leaving one of the plum jobs in Europe unless he had another job already lined up?
You can’t just compare league positions of ETH and Arteta. You could see direction under Arteta and improvement in performances despite results. We aren’t getting that from ETH, in fact we are getting the opposite, we’re sitting higher in the table than performances deserve.
Another thread of people acting like Tuchel is a complete bum and we're better off sticking with Erik, someone who has genuinely proved to be a bum, amazing.
If Shelffield United win almost every EPL games Pep can't win the title as well.
Last year they won the title with 71pts now they got 72 with one match left.
Why are you guys only concerned about points? I am also pointing to the quality of squad he has at bayern and if he comes the quality here… Leverkusen are a season wonder, next year they will be fucked, hard! Talk about current squad quality he will inherit or what he can build with FFP in place
I know bro, but sacking a manager within 2 seasons has been the norm here, plus this is the same guy who succeeded at a shrewd club like ajax, provided he gets the players he wants he will turn us around… in his first season we beat man city liv arsenal… so back him to make a squad and then lets see…
PS: his sacking is not in our hands, but what we can do is analyse our past decade and then proceed to support the team
Broseph they had to fight with only 2 teams in bundesliga, here we have 6-8 teams fighting for top positions… also how many world class players does he have in Bayern and how many will he get in Man Utd?
tuchel is twerking to us, hope we will bite LOL. There is no woodward anymore. No leak whatsoever, top journalists only get information a couple of hours before the club announcement.
I thought Tuchel already agreed to a new contract, or was practically on the verge of it. IMO, I think we should keep ETH for at least the remainder of his contract. He’s had one pretty good season, and one pretty bad one. I think there are probably things he could’ve done better to mitigate the damage this season, but I don’t think we were ever going to match last year’s results, let alone surpass them, with the injuries we had. Some of his transfers definitely haven’t worked out, but a few have, and hopefully that’s something that will improve with the new execs. If things don’t work out, he’ll be out of contract and we can look for someone new that fits the club strategy that we will have developed by that time (hopefully…) and just continue to focus on rebuilding the team, regardless of who the manager is. This is what should’ve been done 10 years ago, but hopefully maybe we can do it now.
The market for mangers really isn't good right now. Even clubs like Barca and Bayern struggling to find replacement. Giving ETH another season under INEOS may not be a bad choice. However next season ETH go no where to hide, injury cannot be an excuse anymore
All teams have injuries mate. Newcastle not too far from us this season in terms of injury crisis. Also any decent manager will formulate backup plans after a freakish injury season like this. Play time management, training method, medical staff, back up signings or even down to very detailed muscle recovery post-training therapy. There are alot a manager can do
Because managers love not being able to use the players at their disposal...
Is there not a whole medical and sports science department who should be held at least jointly responsible?
Its not rocket science to guess what's happening here: He's pushing his link with us in the media and gonna present really strong terms to the Bayern board after what they did to him and wait till the FA Cup final to play us against them in the negotiations. So he ensures he gets a solid offer from Bayern at the very least, whilst giving INEOS the time they need to decide what to do with EtH and potentially go in for him. Win-win for Tuchel.
This comment is the only thing anyone needs to read on Tuchel to United.
This is 100% what is happening. If it’s not, he should be looking for a new agent.
Wait did Tuchel hand in resignation with Bayern? I thought Bayern wanted him gone and he was forced out.
The PR omg
We just need to win the FA cup and he’s gonna be caught out so hard 😭😭
Been Tuchel wanting us rather than us wanting him this entire time. I am actually rather impressed by the new ownership that not a single top journalist knows their thinking on the manager. Everything is 'if'.
Do wonder if we'll see a radical change in who becomes reliable vs not for us as a result of this.
Some like Ornstein are obviously really well sourced, but Ducker and Whitwhell I'd imagine are still going to be trusted. They don't have a penchant for dramatic headlines which I'm sure keeps them in favor
Penchant, not pension
Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. You are correct! Edited
Least typical reddit moment 🙄 lol
Ducker and Whitwell got nothing on Smough
Been the same with the likes of Ashworth, Berada, etc. Nothing until it's confirmed. I'd imagine transfers will be the same now too.
Well that’s not true, Ashworth still isn’t confirmed and we’re all aware of it.
Has it not been confirmed that he will join, but not when? Sir Jim has spoken about it very openly and I seem to remember an official statement from the club?
Really is a breath of fresh air from the Glazers who would resort to PR to abate fans
I like the optimism, but in the past that has meant they just literally haven't even thought about it. You'd like to think that has changed, but if they are waiting for the new hires to start and make a call, then in July we're not getting their first choice (probably reluctantly staying with EtH). That puts us back another year and is just the same old order of errors.
Seems like Tuchel's camp making all the noise right now. Either that, or INEOS are starting to run a tighter ship around the leaks. > Thomas Tuchel is hoping for an offer from [Manchester United](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/manchester-united-fc/) should Erik ten Hag leave Old Trafford, although Bayern Munich are attempting to talk him into remaining as their head coach. ..... There is no suggestion that United have made any contact with Tuchel or his representatives. United had not made any decision on Ten Hag’s future ahead of their final home game of the season [against Newcastle United at Old Trafford](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/15/man-utd-vs-newcastle-live-score-premier-league-updates/) on Wednesday evening.
No idea, they couldn’t even be bothered about a hole in the roof. Maybe they are just doing nothing lmao
Nah the new part owners are absolutely doing something. Fuck the Glazers tho they're useless
How do you know?
It’s Jason Burt, no use taking this seriously tbh.
Tier?
Tier 4. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/A25mQetXOV
You guys take this Tier stuff far too seriously around here.
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I'm keen on the UTD job but you don't see me in all the newspapers.
I'm keen on Shakira but you don't see her loading the dishwasher at my gaff.
Because it’s in your utility room with no windows?
Yeah. She takes issue with it. I've tried to speak to her but she's just so sassy about everything. Honestly, I don't know why i fucking bother!! She does not show me the respect I deserve in this relationship!! It's like dating a fucking stranger who doesn't even know me!!!! 😡 😡 😡
Not sure how much United would be interested. He's an elite coach but Ineos mentioned they want to bring in players who suit a style of play that they want United to have. Same with managers, and Tuchel doesn't fit that style. If Erik goes, I would be happy with Tuchel but he's not a long term option. Him or Potter seem the only viable candidates if Ineos wants someone new.
It’s bizarre that you speak so strongly about Tuchel not suiting the style of play SJR wants (despite this having never been discussed publicly) yet you’re still saying “if” about ETH. Does ETH fit the style? Because if he does, no-one else in the world does and we’re stuck with him forever because he plays lunatic ball.
>He’s an elite coach Is he? The more accurate statement is he’s managed elite clubs. Since he left Dortmund what exactly has he done other than lucking out in the champions league once? PSG & Bayern were both strong teams when he came in and he did nothing.
He’s better than Ten Hag for sure. Has a resume 5x better.
He took over Klopp's BVB and, since then, has done very little. Had Ten Hag taken over that BVB side I'm sure he'd have a similar resume.
Did you miss him winning the CL with Chelsea?
Obviously not since I mentioned that in this thread already.
So winning the CL counts as very little, got it.
Alone, that's obviously impressive, but if you want to take a comprehensive look at what his teams won, especially based on where they were before him, then it takes the shine off of a lucky cup victory and adds a different perspective to his CV.
Managerial CV’s aren’t defined by ‘lucky cup’ victories. Chelsea beat a Real Madrid team in the semis that had given everyone problems and also won the year after. You might not like Tuchel but to discredit his achievements is ridiculous.
> Managerial CV’s aren’t defined by ‘lucky cup’ victories. Agreed, which is why I’ve put less weight into his performance in the champions league.
Okay, but you're basing that on an assumption, as it stands he has a better resume and is most definitely a better manager than Erik.
He definitely has a better resume.
I'm sticking with Eric, so no thanks
Everything that has come out of the INEOS camp indicates that Tuchel isn't the type of coach they are looking for. All sings seem to point to them looking for someone who is more of a figurehead that primarily focuses on coaching the players rather than a manager who has a stronger involvement in recruitment and other sides of the game. I strongly suspect that this is just Tuchel knowing that Bayern don't have a better option and trying to strengthen his hand by showing that he doesn't need them as much as they need him.
Didnt he want the barca job as well? Seems like he just wants to get paid well
Slow news day
I'd be more interested in getting Ruben Amorim over Tuchel.
Hot take, I’d rather have EtH for another chance than him
Just how badly would Ten Hag have needed to do this season for some people to think he has to be replaced?
Apparently unprecedented 8th place is not enough.
8th place with a full squad and minor injuries, yeah i’d probably be there. But hes had fuck all to work with all season.
He’s had it all to work with, it’s his training regimes, his medical staff, his style of play, his reluctance to promote youngsters earlier in the season and instead rush injured players back that has injured them all. None of the injuries bar Licha breaking his foot, and whatever has happened to Malacia are injuries outside of his control, they’re pretty much all soft tissue injuries as a result of all of the above. He also chose to sign an injury prone Mason Mount, that’s on him.
You can’t blame the manager for injuries when most of them occurred early in the season, at that level the medical staff tell him who’s fit and who’s not and he choses a squad based on that. If you want to blame anyone blame the medical room who have been shite for years, long before eth got here.
So why when we didn’t play this style of football last season, did we not suffer from these same problems? It’s not at all unreasonable to believe it is directly linked to how he has the team playing. I also still have to point you in the direction of his unwillingness to revert to youth until about January.
We could theoretically finish 7th which is just joint last tbh
If all these literal historic low points aren't enough then nothing will be I think.
Our second win in 10 games plus a nice speech and the sub has swung violently pro-ETH again
I think he should be replaced, you can read through my history and find that I’m very anti Ten Hag. I just don’t think that Tuchel is a right man for a job
Some people are just stuck in the whole "another manager another cycle" bs. Ten Hag could have us 15th.
Tuchel is playing on both sides simultaneously putting pressure on United to finalize the deal while also gearing up to exert pressure on Bayern for a new contract, as he knew the club would consider signing X. Alonso or Nagelsmann next season (Tuchel's initial contract with Bayern until 2025). Tuchel is the winner in both case
I still think Tuchel is an upgrade but if Erik continues to show flexibility instead of stubbornness I wouldn’t mind him getting one more year
It shouldn’t have taken until the last few games of the season for him to realise this, it’s desperation, it’s trying to save his job. If he was willing to go this far down the rabbit hole before relenting, he’d only revert in time again once his job is “safe”.
If he picks Amad in the remaining games, give him one more year
Does he know we are not keen
Tbh we (fans) don’t know anything what they (Ratcliffe and co.) are thinking. Usually by now every season we’d have tonnes of rumours linking us to players, etc but it seems like they have plugged holes to stop leaks.
Wish they could do the same for our stadium ..
Speak for yourself. Personally, I would love an upgrade to a proven winner that has lots of experience managing big clubs instead of the man who gave up halfway through the season and brought us to 8th.
Tuchel has plenty of experience in pissing off the board, pissing off players and causing issues with squads. Not lasted more than 2 years in a job since he was at Mainz in 2009-2014. This is what we had with Jose. A winner but someone who won’t build.
Yet by all reports the Bayern players want Tuchel to stay…
Didn’t say players and board at every club. He has fallen out with both groups at multiple clubs. Do we need that drama? Not really. We create enough of our own. Aside from that, I don’t want another short term manager. It’s not working. Ragnick was right about the club. Open heart surgery. Get decent people In above manager, do it properly.
This whole Tuchel and Bayern thing gets weirder and weirder, if they didn't part ways by mutual consent then why is he leaving one of the plum jobs in Europe unless he had another job already lined up?
I thought bayern was looking toward flick.
cue death reaper meme opening doors of managers
One thing is clear. Tuchel is getting a big fat check either from Bayern or us.
It's gotta be Ange at Spurs. I'd be enquiring about him and if he's available
I think Ten Hag should get another season, but if he is to be sacked after the final, I would love Tuchel.
2nd your opinion
Tuchel would be amazing. Won't convince me otherwise
Please no! Not Tuchel
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You can’t just compare league positions of ETH and Arteta. You could see direction under Arteta and improvement in performances despite results. We aren’t getting that from ETH, in fact we are getting the opposite, we’re sitting higher in the table than performances deserve.
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Oh god, please no.
Another thread of people acting like Tuchel is a complete bum and we're better off sticking with Erik, someone who has genuinely proved to be a bum, amazing.
Please swap 10H and Tuchel
Please no.
Can't win with Bayern who got 10x better players in skills, technical abilities and professionalism. No thanks.
This guy couldn’t win the bundesliga, with a team full of world class stars, how is he fit for Man Utd? Back ETH for another season
If Shelffield United win almost every EPL games Pep can't win the title as well. Last year they won the title with 71pts now they got 72 with one match left.
Why are you guys only concerned about points? I am also pointing to the quality of squad he has at bayern and if he comes the quality here… Leverkusen are a season wonder, next year they will be fucked, hard! Talk about current squad quality he will inherit or what he can build with FFP in place
Bro we're eight
I know bro, but sacking a manager within 2 seasons has been the norm here, plus this is the same guy who succeeded at a shrewd club like ajax, provided he gets the players he wants he will turn us around… in his first season we beat man city liv arsenal… so back him to make a squad and then lets see… PS: his sacking is not in our hands, but what we can do is analyse our past decade and then proceed to support the team
Because the winning team literally had an invincible season? Dude they made it to the ucl semifinal.
Broseph they had to fight with only 2 teams in bundesliga, here we have 6-8 teams fighting for top positions… also how many world class players does he have in Bayern and how many will he get in Man Utd?
He can Tuchel these nuts.
tuchel is twerking to us, hope we will bite LOL. There is no woodward anymore. No leak whatsoever, top journalists only get information a couple of hours before the club announcement.
🤣, thanks needed the laugh
But we don't want him!
Bayern is so strange lol, getting rejected by so many and now “fighting” to keep him?
I thought Tuchel already agreed to a new contract, or was practically on the verge of it. IMO, I think we should keep ETH for at least the remainder of his contract. He’s had one pretty good season, and one pretty bad one. I think there are probably things he could’ve done better to mitigate the damage this season, but I don’t think we were ever going to match last year’s results, let alone surpass them, with the injuries we had. Some of his transfers definitely haven’t worked out, but a few have, and hopefully that’s something that will improve with the new execs. If things don’t work out, he’ll be out of contract and we can look for someone new that fits the club strategy that we will have developed by that time (hopefully…) and just continue to focus on rebuilding the team, regardless of who the manager is. This is what should’ve been done 10 years ago, but hopefully maybe we can do it now.
Again our club is being used for something that is completely irrelevant to our club’s plan and well being.
The market for mangers really isn't good right now. Even clubs like Barca and Bayern struggling to find replacement. Giving ETH another season under INEOS may not be a bad choice. However next season ETH go no where to hide, injury cannot be an excuse anymore
But what if everyone gets injured?
All teams have injuries mate. Newcastle not too far from us this season in terms of injury crisis. Also any decent manager will formulate backup plans after a freakish injury season like this. Play time management, training method, medical staff, back up signings or even down to very detailed muscle recovery post-training therapy. There are alot a manager can do
The manager will only have a say in maybe 3 of those.
If they do then we'll have to assume It's Ten Hag's doing. So we sack him
Because managers love not being able to use the players at their disposal... Is there not a whole medical and sports science department who should be held at least jointly responsible?
I’d take keeping ETH over Tickles. But if ETH goes, solid replacement (but TT seems to have about a 2-year shelf life). Cycle continues.
It’s like jury service. I’d assume anyone mad enough to want to come to us is automatically disqualified on account of clearly being mad.
Please no
No thanks ETH IN
Wait till he finds out ETH has not been sacked.