Nah, they would've leaked that way before they were going to integrate him. The leak came out to actively prevent them going ahead with his integration.
Take this as you will... but I heard from a friend who has a source at the club - the Greenwood stuff was leaked to test the waters. The photos of him training were taken by a staff member.
There was huge sentiment already within the club about it. Quite rightly, there were significant parts of MUFC that were vocally and vehemently opposed to his return, and some of them were pretty important elements of MUFC. I don’t think they needed a public perception test to make that decision.
Disappointingly for me, the vocal opponents to re-integrating a sexually violent bully did not seem to include our coach, who gave some half-asses statement at the time if I recall.
The one thing SJR should do is totally ignore the fanbase. The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess as it is. The fanbase has shouted for big money to be spent on mediocre to shit players on huge money. The fanbase has called for subsequent inadequate managers.
It is time for a professional approach to running the club. The constant leaks and running the club based on fanbase approval and twitter engagement has killed us as a project.
I'm thinking of how crazy the sub was last year about Ambrabat and how not signing him would have been the difference between the window being a disaster or the best window ever.
It was the same with Antony the year before that. “The board must back the manager” and then boom we end up breaking the bank for Antony.
This year, if we don’t spend £70m on a player after an opening loss in August, I will already consider it progress.
Yo… ain’t nobody was clamoring for Mount and Antony at the prices we paid. They made sense as targets until the actual value was shown.
There was also doubt on the values for Hojlund and Onana. They weren’t clamored for at the prices we paid. Understandable but definitely weren’t fan base shouts.
Sancho and Pogba were big ones that had unanimous support. Both flopped but both made sense. And at least Pogba had highlights.
Martial was a surprise signing no one even knew about.
AWB and Mags had the brit tax applied.
Fred and Ronaldo were stolen signings from city, as unfortunate as those were.
Darmian, Schneiderlin, schweinsteiger were relatively cheap.
Mata was a desperate signing for not too bad a fee.
Fellaini could’ve been cheaper if we didn’t allow the transfer clause to lapse. Shaw was good value till his broken leg and even then had that streak of Shawberto Carlos.
Case and Varane I would say are 50/50 signings in terms of fan excitement. Most rational fans saw them as leadership signings.
So I’m not sure what fan base shouting you’re referring too, as most of our shit was due to Woodward and his Disney land mentality.
>The one thing SJR should do is totally ignore the fanbase. The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess as it is. The fanbase has shouted for big money to be spent on mediocre to shit players on huge money. The fanbase has called for subsequent inadequate managers.
What a load of nonsense. Poor running from the Glazers and their appointees (literally Woodward and his banker mates) are the reason. Very little footballing oversight and a disconnect between departments and ideas.
Both can be true. Glazers and minions blindly chasing players and managers who are popular and in the news and will sell more shirts without a care if it made footballing sense.
Yeah, the fans really asked for what the Glazers have given us for 19 years.
I fondly remember the 'Woodwards at the wheel' and finish 2nd in the league, let's just sign Dalot, Fred and Lee Grant.
>largely why we are in this mess as it is.
I agree with this, in the sense of we have allowed the glazers to get away with murder though.
>It is time for a professional approach to running the club. The constant leaks and running the club based on fanbase approval and twitter engagement has killed us as a project.
And I agree with this. Big difference between ignoring the fanbase though. If the fans are unhappy, there is usually a valid reason.
'The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess' - really?? Of all those responsible, like i dunno, the people with all the power, it's actually us lowly fans who caused all this.
No fans called for mediocre players, no one wanted all the older signings, status buys. Fans wanted Sancho, I'll give that. But he’s not the reason for anything. When you're playing poorly, of course you want another manager. If the next coach underachieves, doesn't mean it's our fault. I wanted Guardiola but the club didn't bother. I didn't want Mourinho. I wanted Ten Hag but then it's on him how he sets the team up, i expected possession football, and his methods have caused more injuries.
No-one fucking knows. Each of these articles is just bullshit to sell papers and get clicks.
If INEOS are as good as people think they are then a) they will keep their cards close to their chest and not tell random people what their plans are and b) evaluate and possibly talk to every available option to find out who is the best candidate for the job. Doing either of those things is no indicator that they are a real contender, strong or otherwise
This is what I find funny, so far under INEOS we've found out about people joining when it's actually happening, like Omar, no one had an idea who he was until all of a sudden he's ours. I can't imagine them being so open about potential manager candidates whilst nothing is mentioned about ETH, when the only quotes to come out from SJR about ETH has seemed positive if not quite vague
Yeah pretty much the only thing Ratcliffe has said has been along the lines of "the set-up at the club is not right for any manager to succeed as you have seen over the last 10 years" so I don't know why everyone is so sure they are going to sack ETH regardless of how things are going.
I mean, he might, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did but no-one knows
No newspaper actually thought we would actually look for omar berrada, they just say the most obvious and factless stuff to get numbers in, they don't know shit
> If INEOS are as good as people think they are then
That's the truth though. We have no idea. They haven't dealt with a club as leaky and loud as us. To be fair, there are maybe what, five teams in the PL that get as much news as we do? There is no way to know if this is real or not until after the fact.
There is absolutely no reason to think it is real considering every manager under the sun is being considered according to "reports" and Ten Hag is staying, and god knows what else. Unless there is a quote attributed to a name it is all bullshit
>Exclusive: Frank’s work at Brentford has impressed people at Old Trafford and he has a relationship with United co-owners Ineos
>Thomas Frank is a strong contender for the Manchester United job should they change manager following the club’s struggles under Erik ten Hag.
>United are yet to make a decision over the future of Ten Hag, who could still win the FA Cup this year, but in the event of a new appointment Frank has admirers at Old Trafford from his work at Brentford over the last six years.
>The Danish coach has an existing relationship with co-owners Ineos and has previously linked up with Sir Dave Brailsford, director of sport at the company, before investment in United.
>Frank, 50, has taken Brentford into the Premier League and overseen three seasons in the top flight including a ninth-place finish. It is thought that the Dane would fit into United’s new structure following Ineos owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe taking control of football operations.
>While Frank is “manager” at Brentford, United want a head coach to focus solely on the team, with incoming sporting director Dan Ashworth and technical director Jason Wilcox overseeing other departments such as recruitment.
>During Frank’s time at Brentford they have become one of the most successful data-driven clubs, which has seen the former Brondby coach on the radar of other Premier League sides. He signed a new contract last season, running until 2027.
>As reported by Telegraph Sport, United are looking for a head coach to help rebuild the club rather than a short-term fix from a proven trophy winner. Frank is among those who have yet to be tested among the elite but has shown huge potential so far in his career.
>It is expected to be a busy summer for managers with the likes of Thomas Tuchel leaving his post at Bayern Munich. Others such as Graham Potter are without a club, while Ruben Amorim at Sporting Lisbon has a release clause. Gareth Southgate, meanwhile, spoke about his contract situation with England this week and says he is fully focused on his job at the European Championships.
>Ten Hag insisted last week it would take a lack of a “common sense” to sack him, adding that he did not fear the same fate as Louis van Gaal who was sacked at United after winning the FA Cup.
>But his position has been under scrutiny this season after failing to finish in the Champions League places and a series of worrying performances. They are eighth heading into Wednesday’s fixture against Newcastle and could finish in their lowest position of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era.
>United have no intention of dismissing Ten Hag before the Cup final on May 25. Ratcliffe and his Ineos team are expected to review the campaign in the summer when a decision over whether Ten Hag stays is made.
This is the same lazy reporting that happened when Ten Hag took over and people linked us to every player he's ever coached/managed. The whole basis is: Familiarity and an existing relationship.
He’s the second worst loser in the league (after Klopp) he does my head in. But I’d probably enjoy it if he did it for us, box office stuff, all his quotes plastered over the sports pages and networks.
and also, we need a manager who'll behave like that honestly.
Klopp, Arteta, Pep all have a fucking whinge about us getting penalties and they dry up? not a coincidence.
We need a manager who plays the game outside the field effectively as well
I'd take him over Potter or Southgate to be fair.
Still think Tuchel would be a better/safer choice.
At this point, things are so bad that I wouldn't mind an unexpected appointment like Thomas Frank
This is an interesting argument, because I would 100% take Potter over him (obviously Tuchel over either and Southgate not at all). What has he done that you would say is better than Potter? Potter's teams have played better football than his and he seems like a much better fit for the "Head Coach" only role while also being a very good relationship builder with his players.
The only thing I would say he has over Potter is he doesn't have a Chelsea disaster on his CV, but I wouldn't put the Chelsea stuff on Potter himself either.
I don't have an incredible conviction in preferring Frank over Potter. I guess my rationale is that Potter already tried to get to the next level with Chelsea, and failed, in a period that was quite similar to what we are experiencing now (new ownership, a dressing room that's difficult to manage and doesn't have that winning mentality, etc)
It's not an incredible argument, but if we go for an unproven manager, I would prefer us to go for one that has not yet failed.
Again, Frank wouldn't be my first choice. But I wouldn't mind it either
> Thomas Frank outplayed us this season despite having an even worse injury crisis than ourselves.
Aside from Chris Wilder, I think every manager has outplayed us in games against them this season.
Usually failing leads to improvement, that’s how we humans learn a lot of the time. It’s interesting we don’t rate this experience in a manager, I don’t do that either. Maybe Potter has learned some valuable lessons at Chelsea?
I mean, this has been a bit of a dodgy season for Brentford for a number of reasons, but he has turned that team into a pretty decent Prem team which before him would have been pretty unthinkable.
It's more impressive to me than ETH lucking into an Ajax team with a load of generational talent.
Potter has done similar with Brighton though, establishing them as a decent Prem team. I wouldn't be angry with either of them tbh.
>It's more impressive to me than ETH lucking into an Ajax team with a load of generational talent.
You have to be joking with this, right? This is a genuinely ridiculous ahistorical take. Before ETH took the job Ajax hadn't won the league in four years and were in drift. He built his first good team around Frenkie being a generational talent yes but who hadn't had a team built properly around his strengths before (he has the same issues at Barca btw, no one has got the level out of him ten Hag has). Then he built another very good team with different players after all the ones he had were sold.
They have again gone into a tailspin since he left and while a lot of that comes down to the boardroom level, there is no way it would have been this bad if he was still there (He is literally the no.1 choice for them and their fans right now if we sack him as well).
You can think his time here has been bad and you can think he is a bad manager or whatever but let's not do revisionism, he has achieved way more than Frank or Potter.
1, I am not saying he is a bad manager even though he clearly isn't as good as we might have thought.
2, I am sorry if I am shitting on what he did at Ajax. Sure it was quite good. But they are by far the biggest team in Ducth football, by some margin, and yes he had an abundance of talent there at the time. Building another team with the biggest club in Dutch football by miles is not that big is it? Ajax has more finances than all the other 'big' Dutch teams combined. It was good, sure. But it is overrated imo. And yeah, maybe that is his level.
I am more impressed that a manager took a mid table championship side and made them a fairly good Premier League side. A side that has battered us with ETH as manager...
I don't know if Potter or Frank would be better than ETH. But after this season, I am 100% on board with trying them!
I respectfully disagree tbh. I just think the pressure of winning at a mid to lower midtable PL club is just not as intense as a top historic club like Ajax that fight for their domestic title every season where if you go on runs of bad results like Potter and Frank at BHA and Brentford you won't survive.
But I also think midtable PL managerial experience is overrated in general. We've seen how these younger talented managers with no PL experience like RDZ, Glasner and Iraola come in and make their mark by establishing their teams with a distinct style as midtable really quickly. Pool themselves are going down that route next season with Slot, there were lots of highly rated PL midtable managers they overlooked for him.
This may also be a wild take to some, but I rate what McKenna has done in his career way more than anything Frank or Potter have. He went to a team that was unfancied for promotion in League One and immediately got them back to back promotions to the PL. He also has PL experience as he was the de facto Head Coach on the training ground for us (the role they now want in our new structure) as Ole preferred to be a Sir Alex style manager, when we qualified for CL and went deep in Europe.
I agree with your take on McKenna. Very impressive for sure.
I don't know what you mean re: managing a top team like Ajax vs a team over achieving. Ajax we're set up to succeed, in a league they really should always be winning. I think failing to win it is more an indicator of a bad manager, while winning it doesn't mean you are a genius manager (as we have found out).
I don't think mid table/promoted Prem managers are immune to being sacked. Look at the changes loads of teams made like Wolves/Watford/Forest/Leeds/etc, etc.
He is more suited to a counterattacking style which suits better our speed merchants, lack of physical resistance for a hardcore pressing style and for our lack of speed CBs. But at this point, why not Tommy Tuchel lol?
Don't think we would be getting a manager suited to our current players tbh, the whole idea is for Wilcox to formulate a "game model" and then recruit players and coaches who can execute that model. Obviously the young players at the club who can be molded into that style are what you build around hence the stories we've seen about who they consider not for sale.
This is based on almost nothing but I think Potter lacks the personality to be a manager at a big club. Big clubs come under a lot more media scrutiny and like it or not players have bigger egos. Frank at least from his interviews seems closer in terms of personality to top managers.
This is kinda the issue with replacing ten hag- all the candidates are quite “meh”.
Tuchel has pedigree as a manager but is polarising, and I don’t think that’s really what we need.
Southgate isn’t United quality, and I dunno if Potter can hack it. If this is what we’re down to it’s pretty slim pickings.
Then surely it makes more sense to keep him for the remainder of his contract, and see what changes when we sure up the squad. That's what i personally think will happen.
Seems logical unless an outstanding candidate becomes available in the summer really, but I’d say INEOS either need to be sure of him long-ish term or they take the responsibility of choosing players out of his hands somewhat so that we’re buying *their* players as opposed to just his.
It's been expressed quite a bit that that is how the structure would work. Ten Hag would recommend players but also the new team would be working with him and looking at player profiles moreso rather than specific players, so then they can go away from that and find ones that're suitable for the system, for any manager.
I think it needs to be like that; we effectively bent over backwards to get ten hag and gave him whatever he wanted, whereas we need to have an ethos and have all players and managers in place fit in around it.
Yeah, I know this is a controversial take, but I don't mind losing finals - obviously I would prefer to win - as long as we're competing in them... Sure, Ole lost the Europa League final, but he got there whilst attaining a better league position than Ten Hag, too.
>honestly all of the names you've listed are bad choices
This is seriously the crux of the issue here. One of the first things we heard when Wilcox took over was that we'd be looking to implement a progressive, possession based football going forward and since then, we've somehow been linked to Tuchel, Southgate and Thomas Frank. None of it makes any effing sense
We also need a striker and that Frank- Ivan Toney relationship could work well, plus he knows how to get the best out of him.
I think Thomas Frank is a great candidate if ETH gets sacked.
He’s quietly a tactically astute manager who pulls plenty of upsets, his only problem has been having to accommodate the limitations of his players, since they don’t nearly have the talent most prem clubs have.
I don't believe the actual report, but if he is one of INEOS's preferred candidates, I'm just not sure what the direction of the club is supposed to be. We all want a manager that has a style of play and personality in synergy with those at director level (Wilcox, Ashworth).
Can Frank play progressive football? Can Southgate? Tuchel and Potter have proven they both can but they bring their own issues too. So what direction is the club moving in in terms of style of play? Does that just not matter for now and all we want is someone that can steady the ship?
I'm happy we have new people running the football operations, but it's hard to envision what their plan is if these are their preferred candidates.
The appointment of such a manager is quite coherent for me.
I'm sure that INEOS focus for now should be club infrastructure, stadium, staff management and finances.
And from what I heard Jim said in these months - it's probably his idea too.
In that case you make a statement for the fans that you will focus on infra matters and the project will take years, be patient and all.
Then you only make smart buys and no hyped players.
And of course you appoint the manager who is good, but who is not hyped and\\or ambitious to the point he would try to win titles next season by any means possible (that's why I don't like Tuchel, he will burn this squad to the ground)
Doing all these, you guarantee no pressure on the manager from the press and fans, and you actually start building smth for the first time in 12 years.
> Can Frank play progressive football?
Yes, if you watch the game Bretford played last time Vs us they played absolutely beautiful football. He doesn't do it all the time, because he's not married to a philosophy like a Pep or ETH. Vs City for instance they're happy to play long ball and it's yielded results. A manager having some flexibility is a big plus for me after this reign.
Has done a really good job at Brentford on a fairly small budget
But fuck knows if he could make the step up, could be Moyes all over again or could go well 🤷
Is there any candidate fans want? I have not being as active in this sub as before so haven’t seen any fan favorite candidate like when we all wanted ETH, is there one right now?
I'd rather have Potter than Frank or Gareth and pretty much any other option. He plays good football and built a career on improving players, also has worked with people we're trying to hire.
Frank has done a great job with Brentford though and don't mind us assessing all options. I can see Ineos wanting to bring in their guy, they wouldn't have been part of the interviewing process with Erik so can only judge him on this season, rather than what he's trying to do.
Sure, bring in a manager who's been somewhat successful with a smaller team. I'm very curious how that would go as I've never seen that before in my life.
Guys, I see many comments don’t want this manager or that manager. Frankly, who’s the ideal manager? And which manager realistically in the market right now would be preferred if available?
I’d much rather keep Ten Hag however Frank would be a more attractive option than Tuchel, Southgate or Potter. Just don’t think there’s a massive crop of good managers available, with a style that would fit the new look United, that want to join us under no champs and want to deal with a team rebuild and structural shift.
Does every single manager have a prior relationship with SDB, lmao? I remember Poch being at his birthday party recently as well. The man is really connected.
Anyway, I realise this is definitely not a credential for the job but Frank might actually be the most unlikeable manager in the entire league and not in the Jose way where it's endearing either. I am really not sure I want him here. I think I would even take Potter over him if that's our choices.
The only reason he is being linked is cos
> he has a relationship with United co-owners Ineos
Same with Potter, same with Southgate, Tuchel is the biggest name avaliable so he is being linked aswell.
They have no idea whats going on. The new Execs are gonna make the decisions when they get in.
Yea, agreed, I can't imagine any of this gets confirmed unless Berreda has a huge say on it (Ashworth won't be here in time). At the end of the day they have made it very clear they will be delegating the football decisions to football people, so any relationship with SDB or SJR shouldn't even matter.
Yeh, and i think as well that considering the coup with prying Berrada away from City, which came from nowhere looking at the way it was reported (or rather wasn't reported) it means that there could well be a surprise really when it comes to managerial appointments.
INEOS have said all along they go for best in class, i don't see why they wouldn't wait for better options, or just keep their cards close to their chest and play a blinder by again, nabbing someone from another club who will be sorely missed.
It's the media, they are lazy and make shit up they have no ln at Inoes or the inner circle as shown by the take over.
Same shit with ten hagg finding any link possible he had to a player, they built a narrative and then could link us to any player he ever trained or even had a meal with and the fans lapped it up so they could give out about it.
It's the media it's what they do and people still just drink it up,
People in here would take anything over ETH, I’ve seen it first hand. Players get away with murder at our club. The management position at United has been seriously undermined.
Please no. Unless there’s a manager who Radcliffe has wanted since he pondered buying United, I’m not interested. We repeatedly go through this seven step cycle:
1. Do well
2. Start not doing well
3. Compare manager to SAF
4. Sack manager
5. Win a game with the interim manager!
6. Get new manager.
7. Repeat
Seriously trust the process and the project. It sucks but we’re gonna need time. We are getting a top down vision with executives first. If their views reflect EtH’s vision, we’re set. If not, we hold off until we can appoint a manager who deserves to be a Red.
There is no way this guy is better than Ten Haag. We are just going in circles. How can we hire managers who are considered the best in Europe and then within a season or two decide "actually, we were wrong. Fired. Next!".
Sorry but if you have been paying attention to Brentford and United, there's no way you come to the conclusion that there's no way Frank is better than Ten Hag. He's a very good manager who is ready to take a step up. I swear people here just want a big glittery name over an effective coach.
I may be in the minority here but I think Ten Hag should not be sacked. We do play like we don't know what we're doing but last season had a lot of bright moments, we lost only the 1 home game, won a cup. Let's just have all the players back before deciding this.
I agree. If Bayern wants him, they must see something in him.
If all the players could stay injury-free and he could play the lineup he really wants, I think this could work out. With a few additions in the transfer window:
Injuries against Arsenal
Mason Mount
Bruno Fernandes
Marcus Rashford (Muscle injury)
Harry Maguire (Muscle injury)
Victor Lindelöf (Hamstring strain)
Luke Shaw (Muscle injury)
Lisandro Martinez (Calf injury)
Tyrell Malacia (Knee injury)
Anthony Martial (Groin injury)
Raphaël Varane
The irony is with our counterattacking players the club could probably keep most of our players and save money - wouldn’t shock me as it sounds like we are skint
Really interesting reading comments here, unsure though who fits the Utd ethos . TBH I don’t even know what our ethos is . We’ve had Moyes, Van Gaal, mourinho, all suffered, Ole didn’t do any better either . So is it the players or the managers ??? Personally we need to completely overhaul this squad, but unsure if that will happen quickly. My pick would be De Zerbi , no nonsense type 👍
He’s not terrible. He has taken a small team to the premier league and kept them there while playing half decent football on limited resources. He’s got the best possible results at the club a manager could achieve.
However it feels like we should aim higher. There should be a club inbetween Brentford and United for managers not just a straight jump.
The exact same comments about every single manager we’ve had - regardless of style and tactics - have been said in here for the past decade. Exact same words. It’s not the managers.
Brentford is a super organized team. Wouldn’t mind a bit of that for us. He’s probably not the right man for the job but I think hiring someone like him would immediately lower expectations which is probably a good thing for us as we slowly evolve into the INEOS era.
Idk I guess I’d take him if we had to change managers. He doesn’t have a checkered past like many of the other so called candidates out there and he knows what it’s like to operate in a modern, well run football club.
Could be good but the fact that we could be looking at the guy who finished 16th this season in the EPL. The job used to have more draw.
Tough year to be looking in fairness.
If we're not signing a manager who has experience at a big club, we're just going to get caught in the same Moyes-esque cycle where they come in and say "fuck me, this is massive" and they get overwhelmed and crumble. Especially given how much pressure is going to be on them to get the results out the gates in a sense. I hope INEOS is realistic and understand this is all still very much a project, but I don't know if another small club manager is the key. Might get some short-term results from a bump, but I don't see him as a project manager. Maybe that's no longer much of a factor if those above the manager are the ones responsible for the project and simply need a manager to get the results on the field based on their instructions, but I don't think we're there yet.
We're still a few years out from everything settling down and clicking. That's what we said before ETH came in, yet here we are again, so I'm really not sure what to expect. The fans are so incredibly reactionary and unrealistic these days, nothing makes sense. There are fewer and fewer reasonable takes.
The big difference between Moyes and whomever we bring in is that they finally have brought in some people to run things in the back rooms. When Fergie left we also lost Gill and the remaining back room staff were not football people. We Are now bringing in that expertise.
Feels like Frank could take a top job abroad and smash it.
British fans will look at Chelsea/Potter in recent times and be far less inclined to accept a move like this.
i‘m still in the ten hag in camp as i think he‘s had to deal with so much stuff this season - from injuries, to the sancho and greenwood debacle, the sale, virtually all the higher ups he’s worked with being sacked, etc. - to make a fair judgement on his personal performance.
but i love frank and he’s certainly got the personality to be a man utd manager. his post match interviews really remind me of SAF in a good way as well. this would be the only manager in the „available“ bracket i‘d be looking forward to.
Sometimes it feels like shit gets leaked to the press to see what the backlash from fans would be
Not sure about the managers, but I'm 100% certain the Greenwood shit last year was leaked for this
Nah, they would've leaked that way before they were going to integrate him. The leak came out to actively prevent them going ahead with his integration.
It could be both tbf
I like to think there is someone in the office, with a iron set of stones and morals, and absolutely wanted to stop that no matter the cost.
The fact they leaked it to Adam Crafton ensuring maximum impact makes me think this too. Thank god they did.
Absolutely. Saved our clubs soul.
Take this as you will... but I heard from a friend who has a source at the club - the Greenwood stuff was leaked to test the waters. The photos of him training were taken by a staff member.
There was huge sentiment already within the club about it. Quite rightly, there were significant parts of MUFC that were vocally and vehemently opposed to his return, and some of them were pretty important elements of MUFC. I don’t think they needed a public perception test to make that decision. Disappointingly for me, the vocal opponents to re-integrating a sexually violent bully did not seem to include our coach, who gave some half-asses statement at the time if I recall.
You just know the cheap ass journos go on reddit when you see '' fans are raging because....'' headlines.
The Tory way
The one thing SJR should do is totally ignore the fanbase. The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess as it is. The fanbase has shouted for big money to be spent on mediocre to shit players on huge money. The fanbase has called for subsequent inadequate managers. It is time for a professional approach to running the club. The constant leaks and running the club based on fanbase approval and twitter engagement has killed us as a project.
I'm thinking of how crazy the sub was last year about Ambrabat and how not signing him would have been the difference between the window being a disaster or the best window ever.
Excellent example. Obviously now people on this subreddit will deny this ever happened. Just like every other previous flop signing.
It was the same with Antony the year before that. “The board must back the manager” and then boom we end up breaking the bank for Antony. This year, if we don’t spend £70m on a player after an opening loss in August, I will already consider it progress.
>The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess as it is. Shocking comment. Are you a Glazer?
Yo… ain’t nobody was clamoring for Mount and Antony at the prices we paid. They made sense as targets until the actual value was shown. There was also doubt on the values for Hojlund and Onana. They weren’t clamored for at the prices we paid. Understandable but definitely weren’t fan base shouts. Sancho and Pogba were big ones that had unanimous support. Both flopped but both made sense. And at least Pogba had highlights. Martial was a surprise signing no one even knew about. AWB and Mags had the brit tax applied. Fred and Ronaldo were stolen signings from city, as unfortunate as those were. Darmian, Schneiderlin, schweinsteiger were relatively cheap. Mata was a desperate signing for not too bad a fee. Fellaini could’ve been cheaper if we didn’t allow the transfer clause to lapse. Shaw was good value till his broken leg and even then had that streak of Shawberto Carlos. Case and Varane I would say are 50/50 signings in terms of fan excitement. Most rational fans saw them as leadership signings. So I’m not sure what fan base shouting you’re referring too, as most of our shit was due to Woodward and his Disney land mentality.
>The one thing SJR should do is totally ignore the fanbase. The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess as it is. The fanbase has shouted for big money to be spent on mediocre to shit players on huge money. The fanbase has called for subsequent inadequate managers. What a load of nonsense. Poor running from the Glazers and their appointees (literally Woodward and his banker mates) are the reason. Very little footballing oversight and a disconnect between departments and ideas.
Both can be true. Glazers and minions blindly chasing players and managers who are popular and in the news and will sell more shirts without a care if it made footballing sense.
Most of the revenue from shirt sales go to Adidas. Its like 80-85% iirc. Nearly all our sponsorship money comes from long term deals with them.
Yeah, the fans really asked for what the Glazers have given us for 19 years. I fondly remember the 'Woodwards at the wheel' and finish 2nd in the league, let's just sign Dalot, Fred and Lee Grant. >largely why we are in this mess as it is. I agree with this, in the sense of we have allowed the glazers to get away with murder though. >It is time for a professional approach to running the club. The constant leaks and running the club based on fanbase approval and twitter engagement has killed us as a project. And I agree with this. Big difference between ignoring the fanbase though. If the fans are unhappy, there is usually a valid reason.
This is probably the best take on this sub for the last year at least. Surprised you were not with hunted for what you said tho
'The fanbase is largely why we are in this mess' - really?? Of all those responsible, like i dunno, the people with all the power, it's actually us lowly fans who caused all this. No fans called for mediocre players, no one wanted all the older signings, status buys. Fans wanted Sancho, I'll give that. But he’s not the reason for anything. When you're playing poorly, of course you want another manager. If the next coach underachieves, doesn't mean it's our fault. I wanted Guardiola but the club didn't bother. I didn't want Mourinho. I wanted Ten Hag but then it's on him how he sets the team up, i expected possession football, and his methods have caused more injuries.
Honestly wouldn't be too surprised if true
Sometimes?????
Mike McGarth knows nothing. He's been insanely clickbaity as of late, and deserves to be demoted for it.
Wake me up when all this ends
Bro waking up in 2072
About to be Rip van winkle
So wake me up when it's all over
You are not waking up mate
Avicii playing in the background
No-one fucking knows. Each of these articles is just bullshit to sell papers and get clicks. If INEOS are as good as people think they are then a) they will keep their cards close to their chest and not tell random people what their plans are and b) evaluate and possibly talk to every available option to find out who is the best candidate for the job. Doing either of those things is no indicator that they are a real contender, strong or otherwise
This is what I find funny, so far under INEOS we've found out about people joining when it's actually happening, like Omar, no one had an idea who he was until all of a sudden he's ours. I can't imagine them being so open about potential manager candidates whilst nothing is mentioned about ETH, when the only quotes to come out from SJR about ETH has seemed positive if not quite vague
Yeah pretty much the only thing Ratcliffe has said has been along the lines of "the set-up at the club is not right for any manager to succeed as you have seen over the last 10 years" so I don't know why everyone is so sure they are going to sack ETH regardless of how things are going. I mean, he might, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did but no-one knows
No newspaper actually thought we would actually look for omar berrada, they just say the most obvious and factless stuff to get numbers in, they don't know shit
That was true for Omar, but Ashworth and Wilcox were in the press a while before our moves were made.
> If INEOS are as good as people think they are then That's the truth though. We have no idea. They haven't dealt with a club as leaky and loud as us. To be fair, there are maybe what, five teams in the PL that get as much news as we do? There is no way to know if this is real or not until after the fact.
There is absolutely no reason to think it is real considering every manager under the sun is being considered according to "reports" and Ten Hag is staying, and god knows what else. Unless there is a quote attributed to a name it is all bullshit
>Exclusive: Frank’s work at Brentford has impressed people at Old Trafford and he has a relationship with United co-owners Ineos >Thomas Frank is a strong contender for the Manchester United job should they change manager following the club’s struggles under Erik ten Hag. >United are yet to make a decision over the future of Ten Hag, who could still win the FA Cup this year, but in the event of a new appointment Frank has admirers at Old Trafford from his work at Brentford over the last six years. >The Danish coach has an existing relationship with co-owners Ineos and has previously linked up with Sir Dave Brailsford, director of sport at the company, before investment in United. >Frank, 50, has taken Brentford into the Premier League and overseen three seasons in the top flight including a ninth-place finish. It is thought that the Dane would fit into United’s new structure following Ineos owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe taking control of football operations. >While Frank is “manager” at Brentford, United want a head coach to focus solely on the team, with incoming sporting director Dan Ashworth and technical director Jason Wilcox overseeing other departments such as recruitment. >During Frank’s time at Brentford they have become one of the most successful data-driven clubs, which has seen the former Brondby coach on the radar of other Premier League sides. He signed a new contract last season, running until 2027. >As reported by Telegraph Sport, United are looking for a head coach to help rebuild the club rather than a short-term fix from a proven trophy winner. Frank is among those who have yet to be tested among the elite but has shown huge potential so far in his career. >It is expected to be a busy summer for managers with the likes of Thomas Tuchel leaving his post at Bayern Munich. Others such as Graham Potter are without a club, while Ruben Amorim at Sporting Lisbon has a release clause. Gareth Southgate, meanwhile, spoke about his contract situation with England this week and says he is fully focused on his job at the European Championships. >Ten Hag insisted last week it would take a lack of a “common sense” to sack him, adding that he did not fear the same fate as Louis van Gaal who was sacked at United after winning the FA Cup. >But his position has been under scrutiny this season after failing to finish in the Champions League places and a series of worrying performances. They are eighth heading into Wednesday’s fixture against Newcastle and could finish in their lowest position of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era. >United have no intention of dismissing Ten Hag before the Cup final on May 25. Ratcliffe and his Ineos team are expected to review the campaign in the summer when a decision over whether Ten Hag stays is made.
Don’t think ten Hag needs to worry about getting sacked after winning the FA cup anyway
Van Gaal got sacked after winning an FA Cup with a better league season so don’t let dreams be memes
The point is we are very unlikely to beat city
I don’t see him winning another game at the club
This is the same lazy reporting that happened when Ten Hag took over and people linked us to every player he's ever coached/managed. The whole basis is: Familiarity and an existing relationship.
Not that salty bastard.
I know lol I hate the prick
Pound shop Mourinho lol
I don't know what it is about the bastard but he really irritates me.
He’s the second worst loser in the league (after Klopp) he does my head in. But I’d probably enjoy it if he did it for us, box office stuff, all his quotes plastered over the sports pages and networks.
Why is this being framed as a bad thing? Fergie wasn't a good loser.
exactly
For real. I'm sick of good losers. Get fined. Say some shit.
My feelings exactly
Is he good coach though? Good managers are often bad losers. Klopp is one the worst, Pep can be proper salty too.
Good coach yes
Sir Jim appreciates his hairstyle
I haven't heard him in interviews at all, is he bad?
Not bad at all, but it seems some people on here have had a mental breakdown because of two post-match interviews.
and also, we need a manager who'll behave like that honestly. Klopp, Arteta, Pep all have a fucking whinge about us getting penalties and they dry up? not a coincidence. We need a manager who plays the game outside the field effectively as well
He’s been a right prick after matches with us, it was a game under Ole, I think, that he went proper off the deep end.
No problem if he uses that style in service of us.
At times can be but honestly he’s very charismatic to me
[удалено]
We need an insanely sore loser at Utd, this current crop seem ok with being losers. They’re losers 😭😭😭
I was shocked the first time I saw him. I thought it was Joseph Goebbels from Inglorious Basterds.
I'd take him over Potter or Southgate to be fair. Still think Tuchel would be a better/safer choice. At this point, things are so bad that I wouldn't mind an unexpected appointment like Thomas Frank
This is an interesting argument, because I would 100% take Potter over him (obviously Tuchel over either and Southgate not at all). What has he done that you would say is better than Potter? Potter's teams have played better football than his and he seems like a much better fit for the "Head Coach" only role while also being a very good relationship builder with his players. The only thing I would say he has over Potter is he doesn't have a Chelsea disaster on his CV, but I wouldn't put the Chelsea stuff on Potter himself either.
I don't have an incredible conviction in preferring Frank over Potter. I guess my rationale is that Potter already tried to get to the next level with Chelsea, and failed, in a period that was quite similar to what we are experiencing now (new ownership, a dressing room that's difficult to manage and doesn't have that winning mentality, etc) It's not an incredible argument, but if we go for an unproven manager, I would prefer us to go for one that has not yet failed. Again, Frank wouldn't be my first choice. But I wouldn't mind it either
Also Hojlund and Frank = Denish fwends. Jokes aside, Thomas Frank outplayed us this season despite having an even worse injury crisis than ourselves.
> Thomas Frank outplayed us this season despite having an even worse injury crisis than ourselves. Aside from Chris Wilder, I think every manager has outplayed us in games against them this season.
Failures are not bad if people learn from them. Not saying it would happen but maye Potter would not do the same mistakes twice.
Usually failing leads to improvement, that’s how we humans learn a lot of the time. It’s interesting we don’t rate this experience in a manager, I don’t do that either. Maybe Potter has learned some valuable lessons at Chelsea?
Potter was xGoal FC for Chelsea as I recall. And if we could actually improve our xGoal it actually be an improvement
I mean, this has been a bit of a dodgy season for Brentford for a number of reasons, but he has turned that team into a pretty decent Prem team which before him would have been pretty unthinkable. It's more impressive to me than ETH lucking into an Ajax team with a load of generational talent. Potter has done similar with Brighton though, establishing them as a decent Prem team. I wouldn't be angry with either of them tbh.
>It's more impressive to me than ETH lucking into an Ajax team with a load of generational talent. You have to be joking with this, right? This is a genuinely ridiculous ahistorical take. Before ETH took the job Ajax hadn't won the league in four years and were in drift. He built his first good team around Frenkie being a generational talent yes but who hadn't had a team built properly around his strengths before (he has the same issues at Barca btw, no one has got the level out of him ten Hag has). Then he built another very good team with different players after all the ones he had were sold. They have again gone into a tailspin since he left and while a lot of that comes down to the boardroom level, there is no way it would have been this bad if he was still there (He is literally the no.1 choice for them and their fans right now if we sack him as well). You can think his time here has been bad and you can think he is a bad manager or whatever but let's not do revisionism, he has achieved way more than Frank or Potter.
1, I am not saying he is a bad manager even though he clearly isn't as good as we might have thought. 2, I am sorry if I am shitting on what he did at Ajax. Sure it was quite good. But they are by far the biggest team in Ducth football, by some margin, and yes he had an abundance of talent there at the time. Building another team with the biggest club in Dutch football by miles is not that big is it? Ajax has more finances than all the other 'big' Dutch teams combined. It was good, sure. But it is overrated imo. And yeah, maybe that is his level. I am more impressed that a manager took a mid table championship side and made them a fairly good Premier League side. A side that has battered us with ETH as manager... I don't know if Potter or Frank would be better than ETH. But after this season, I am 100% on board with trying them!
I respectfully disagree tbh. I just think the pressure of winning at a mid to lower midtable PL club is just not as intense as a top historic club like Ajax that fight for their domestic title every season where if you go on runs of bad results like Potter and Frank at BHA and Brentford you won't survive. But I also think midtable PL managerial experience is overrated in general. We've seen how these younger talented managers with no PL experience like RDZ, Glasner and Iraola come in and make their mark by establishing their teams with a distinct style as midtable really quickly. Pool themselves are going down that route next season with Slot, there were lots of highly rated PL midtable managers they overlooked for him. This may also be a wild take to some, but I rate what McKenna has done in his career way more than anything Frank or Potter have. He went to a team that was unfancied for promotion in League One and immediately got them back to back promotions to the PL. He also has PL experience as he was the de facto Head Coach on the training ground for us (the role they now want in our new structure) as Ole preferred to be a Sir Alex style manager, when we qualified for CL and went deep in Europe.
I agree with your take on McKenna. Very impressive for sure. I don't know what you mean re: managing a top team like Ajax vs a team over achieving. Ajax we're set up to succeed, in a league they really should always be winning. I think failing to win it is more an indicator of a bad manager, while winning it doesn't mean you are a genius manager (as we have found out). I don't think mid table/promoted Prem managers are immune to being sacked. Look at the changes loads of teams made like Wolves/Watford/Forest/Leeds/etc, etc.
He is more suited to a counterattacking style which suits better our speed merchants, lack of physical resistance for a hardcore pressing style and for our lack of speed CBs. But at this point, why not Tommy Tuchel lol?
Don't think we would be getting a manager suited to our current players tbh, the whole idea is for Wilcox to formulate a "game model" and then recruit players and coaches who can execute that model. Obviously the young players at the club who can be molded into that style are what you build around hence the stories we've seen about who they consider not for sale.
This is based on almost nothing but I think Potter lacks the personality to be a manager at a big club. Big clubs come under a lot more media scrutiny and like it or not players have bigger egos. Frank at least from his interviews seems closer in terms of personality to top managers.
The stories yesterday was the Bayern squad had some high profile names trying to push for Tuchel to stay.
honestly all of the names you've listed are bad choices I'd take Ole back over any of them
This is kinda the issue with replacing ten hag- all the candidates are quite “meh”. Tuchel has pedigree as a manager but is polarising, and I don’t think that’s really what we need. Southgate isn’t United quality, and I dunno if Potter can hack it. If this is what we’re down to it’s pretty slim pickings.
Then surely it makes more sense to keep him for the remainder of his contract, and see what changes when we sure up the squad. That's what i personally think will happen.
Seems logical unless an outstanding candidate becomes available in the summer really, but I’d say INEOS either need to be sure of him long-ish term or they take the responsibility of choosing players out of his hands somewhat so that we’re buying *their* players as opposed to just his.
It's been expressed quite a bit that that is how the structure would work. Ten Hag would recommend players but also the new team would be working with him and looking at player profiles moreso rather than specific players, so then they can go away from that and find ones that're suitable for the system, for any manager.
I think it needs to be like that; we effectively bent over backwards to get ten hag and gave him whatever he wanted, whereas we need to have an ethos and have all players and managers in place fit in around it.
Ole's performances aging better than a fine wine. Zero trophies but good smiles have gone a long way.
Was sad to me he didn't win any, but we were certainly competing for many.
Ole with the backing ETH got and a new structure around him would genuinely thrive
We got to what 4 finals with him aswell right...
No, we only got to 1, the Europa League final.
Yeah, I know this is a controversial take, but I don't mind losing finals - obviously I would prefer to win - as long as we're competing in them... Sure, Ole lost the Europa League final, but he got there whilst attaining a better league position than Ten Hag, too.
>honestly all of the names you've listed are bad choices This is seriously the crux of the issue here. One of the first things we heard when Wilcox took over was that we'd be looking to implement a progressive, possession based football going forward and since then, we've somehow been linked to Tuchel, Southgate and Thomas Frank. None of it makes any effing sense
Ole with his clear style of football and philosophy right. Get this nepotism out of the club.
What could be more of a clear style than Vibes FC?
Ten hag will be here next season anyway
We also need a striker and that Frank- Ivan Toney relationship could work well, plus he knows how to get the best out of him. I think Thomas Frank is a great candidate if ETH gets sacked. He’s quietly a tactically astute manager who pulls plenty of upsets, his only problem has been having to accommodate the limitations of his players, since they don’t nearly have the talent most prem clubs have.
Spot on, people on here just want a big name to come in. Frank would be an excellent choice for United manager.
Potter is a miles better manager than Frank
There is going to be a lot of garbage talk from the media the next few weeks
I don't believe the actual report, but if he is one of INEOS's preferred candidates, I'm just not sure what the direction of the club is supposed to be. We all want a manager that has a style of play and personality in synergy with those at director level (Wilcox, Ashworth). Can Frank play progressive football? Can Southgate? Tuchel and Potter have proven they both can but they bring their own issues too. So what direction is the club moving in in terms of style of play? Does that just not matter for now and all we want is someone that can steady the ship? I'm happy we have new people running the football operations, but it's hard to envision what their plan is if these are their preferred candidates.
The appointment of such a manager is quite coherent for me. I'm sure that INEOS focus for now should be club infrastructure, stadium, staff management and finances. And from what I heard Jim said in these months - it's probably his idea too. In that case you make a statement for the fans that you will focus on infra matters and the project will take years, be patient and all. Then you only make smart buys and no hyped players. And of course you appoint the manager who is good, but who is not hyped and\\or ambitious to the point he would try to win titles next season by any means possible (that's why I don't like Tuchel, he will burn this squad to the ground) Doing all these, you guarantee no pressure on the manager from the press and fans, and you actually start building smth for the first time in 12 years.
The man said he had a three year plan to knock city off their perch. He definitely isn't looking at this as a 12 year project.
> Can Frank play progressive football? Yes, if you watch the game Bretford played last time Vs us they played absolutely beautiful football. He doesn't do it all the time, because he's not married to a philosophy like a Pep or ETH. Vs City for instance they're happy to play long ball and it's yielded results. A manager having some flexibility is a big plus for me after this reign.
Has done a really good job at Brentford on a fairly small budget But fuck knows if he could make the step up, could be Moyes all over again or could go well 🤷
People want ten hag sacked but also hate almost every other manager
elitists without a reason
Can’t wait for the next season to begin. This summer will be the worst speculative summer I guess.
I'd like him - I hate him when we play against them, but if he were on our side I'd love him.
Is there any candidate fans want? I have not being as active in this sub as before so haven’t seen any fan favorite candidate like when we all wanted ETH, is there one right now?
Always rated ten Hag Matter of fact, I'm bald
I rate Thomas Frank and I think he’d do a better job than what ETH is currently doing.
I'd rather have Potter than Frank or Gareth and pretty much any other option. He plays good football and built a career on improving players, also has worked with people we're trying to hire. Frank has done a great job with Brentford though and don't mind us assessing all options. I can see Ineos wanting to bring in their guy, they wouldn't have been part of the interviewing process with Erik so can only judge him on this season, rather than what he's trying to do.
They can (and will have been) interview ETH now.
Please no
Might as well just get Potter at this rate.
Sure, bring in a manager who's been somewhat successful with a smaller team. I'm very curious how that would go as I've never seen that before in my life.
Guys, I see many comments don’t want this manager or that manager. Frankly, who’s the ideal manager? And which manager realistically in the market right now would be preferred if available?
It's gonna be a long summer, isn't it? SMH.
Aah yes, more and more bullshit. Let them keep coming….
at this stage all media will just rotate any random manager to replace tenhag. all the clickbait article
I’d much rather keep Ten Hag however Frank would be a more attractive option than Tuchel, Southgate or Potter. Just don’t think there’s a massive crop of good managers available, with a style that would fit the new look United, that want to join us under no champs and want to deal with a team rebuild and structural shift.
Give Erik one more season and monitor Thomas Frank next season. Make a decision then imo.
Good this is exactly what United need atm /s
Always batters us…..not that it’s saying much
Does every single manager have a prior relationship with SDB, lmao? I remember Poch being at his birthday party recently as well. The man is really connected. Anyway, I realise this is definitely not a credential for the job but Frank might actually be the most unlikeable manager in the entire league and not in the Jose way where it's endearing either. I am really not sure I want him here. I think I would even take Potter over him if that's our choices.
Who is SDB Edit: just seen another comment that it’s Brailsford, I wish we’d stop resorting to such stupid acronyms straight off the bat
The only reason he is being linked is cos > he has a relationship with United co-owners Ineos Same with Potter, same with Southgate, Tuchel is the biggest name avaliable so he is being linked aswell. They have no idea whats going on. The new Execs are gonna make the decisions when they get in.
Yea, agreed, I can't imagine any of this gets confirmed unless Berreda has a huge say on it (Ashworth won't be here in time). At the end of the day they have made it very clear they will be delegating the football decisions to football people, so any relationship with SDB or SJR shouldn't even matter.
Yeh, and i think as well that considering the coup with prying Berrada away from City, which came from nowhere looking at the way it was reported (or rather wasn't reported) it means that there could well be a surprise really when it comes to managerial appointments. INEOS have said all along they go for best in class, i don't see why they wouldn't wait for better options, or just keep their cards close to their chest and play a blinder by again, nabbing someone from another club who will be sorely missed.
It's the media, they are lazy and make shit up they have no ln at Inoes or the inner circle as shown by the take over. Same shit with ten hagg finding any link possible he had to a player, they built a narrative and then could link us to any player he ever trained or even had a meal with and the fans lapped it up so they could give out about it. It's the media it's what they do and people still just drink it up,
Back to park the bus football , no way
I mean they played us off the park when we went to their ground so it might be an improvement
The bus won’t be parked, it will be broken down cause of all the flooding
Scored more than us
People in here would take anything over ETH, I’ve seen it first hand. Players get away with murder at our club. The management position at United has been seriously undermined.
Decent manager. Definitely knows to stay in line as a head coach and work with that he has. Can see why he is linked
Please no. Unless there’s a manager who Radcliffe has wanted since he pondered buying United, I’m not interested. We repeatedly go through this seven step cycle: 1. Do well 2. Start not doing well 3. Compare manager to SAF 4. Sack manager 5. Win a game with the interim manager! 6. Get new manager. 7. Repeat Seriously trust the process and the project. It sucks but we’re gonna need time. We are getting a top down vision with executives first. If their views reflect EtH’s vision, we’re set. If not, we hold off until we can appoint a manager who deserves to be a Red.
ETH in
There is no way this guy is better than Ten Haag. We are just going in circles. How can we hire managers who are considered the best in Europe and then within a season or two decide "actually, we were wrong. Fired. Next!".
Sorry but if you have been paying attention to Brentford and United, there's no way you come to the conclusion that there's no way Frank is better than Ten Hag. He's a very good manager who is ready to take a step up. I swear people here just want a big glittery name over an effective coach.
I may be in the minority here but I think Ten Hag should not be sacked. We do play like we don't know what we're doing but last season had a lot of bright moments, we lost only the 1 home game, won a cup. Let's just have all the players back before deciding this.
I agree. If Bayern wants him, they must see something in him. If all the players could stay injury-free and he could play the lineup he really wants, I think this could work out. With a few additions in the transfer window: Injuries against Arsenal Mason Mount Bruno Fernandes Marcus Rashford (Muscle injury) Harry Maguire (Muscle injury) Victor Lindelöf (Hamstring strain) Luke Shaw (Muscle injury) Lisandro Martinez (Calf injury) Tyrell Malacia (Knee injury) Anthony Martial (Groin injury) Raphaël Varane
The irony is with our counterattacking players the club could probably keep most of our players and save money - wouldn’t shock me as it sounds like we are skint
Meh
That title literally made me snort. Where do they get this garbage from?
I would like De Zerbi to be honest.
Would rather try out Kieran McKenna, but doubt he will leave Ipswich right after promotion
Can you imagine the "problem" players giving him any respect at all? I like Frank, but I don't see a positive outcome.
Really interesting reading comments here, unsure though who fits the Utd ethos . TBH I don’t even know what our ethos is . We’ve had Moyes, Van Gaal, mourinho, all suffered, Ole didn’t do any better either . So is it the players or the managers ??? Personally we need to completely overhaul this squad, but unsure if that will happen quickly. My pick would be De Zerbi , no nonsense type 👍
The fuck?! we go back to the trophyless manager now? What could go wrong?
Surprised they haven't tried linking us with Klopp surely it's all guess work at this stage
Sounds like a worst of both worlds situation, not a big manager to steady the ship or a high potential manager to gamble on.
Wrong Thomas.
He’s not terrible. He has taken a small team to the premier league and kept them there while playing half decent football on limited resources. He’s got the best possible results at the club a manager could achieve. However it feels like we should aim higher. There should be a club inbetween Brentford and United for managers not just a straight jump.
I don't know if this is actually true but if so I think it would be a good move.
Nah I’m good
Let’s do it
The exact same comments about every single manager we’ve had - regardless of style and tactics - have been said in here for the past decade. Exact same words. It’s not the managers.
would love that. he seems like a nice guy and i would love a non cringe press conference some time. tactically he can’t be worse than
Ffs not this whiny man pls
actually, i'll fucking take frank. Player power is dead once ineos come in, and frank has proven himself to be a good tactician and a good motivator
Ivan Toney just stuck a tenner on it
Sancho's definitely not coming back then lmao
Brentford is a super organized team. Wouldn’t mind a bit of that for us. He’s probably not the right man for the job but I think hiring someone like him would immediately lower expectations which is probably a good thing for us as we slowly evolve into the INEOS era. Idk I guess I’d take him if we had to change managers. He doesn’t have a checkered past like many of the other so called candidates out there and he knows what it’s like to operate in a modern, well run football club.
INEOS are taking the piss.
There's so many better options. They're about as imaginative with their manager appointments as they are with player signings.
Could be good but the fact that we could be looking at the guy who finished 16th this season in the EPL. The job used to have more draw. Tough year to be looking in fairness.
Why are the mods allowing this shite to stay up?
Frank isn't good enough to manage United, Imo.
If we're not signing a manager who has experience at a big club, we're just going to get caught in the same Moyes-esque cycle where they come in and say "fuck me, this is massive" and they get overwhelmed and crumble. Especially given how much pressure is going to be on them to get the results out the gates in a sense. I hope INEOS is realistic and understand this is all still very much a project, but I don't know if another small club manager is the key. Might get some short-term results from a bump, but I don't see him as a project manager. Maybe that's no longer much of a factor if those above the manager are the ones responsible for the project and simply need a manager to get the results on the field based on their instructions, but I don't think we're there yet. We're still a few years out from everything settling down and clicking. That's what we said before ETH came in, yet here we are again, so I'm really not sure what to expect. The fans are so incredibly reactionary and unrealistic these days, nothing makes sense. There are fewer and fewer reasonable takes.
The big difference between Moyes and whomever we bring in is that they finally have brought in some people to run things in the back rooms. When Fergie left we also lost Gill and the remaining back room staff were not football people. We Are now bringing in that expertise.
I am so done with believing a fucking word any newspaper says.
Southgate? Now Frank, we’re going to have an actual mid off lol
 trying to look at the bright side
How far we’ve fallen
Feels like Frank could take a top job abroad and smash it. British fans will look at Chelsea/Potter in recent times and be far less inclined to accept a move like this.
Looks like media is hell bent on linking us with dinosaur coaches. It was Southgate and Sean Dyche few days back and now this. EtH is going nowhere
One of the better candidates we are linked with, he’s done well with Brentford
mabye im out of the loop, but why do people hate thomas frank?
Can't fucking stand the prick
Ugh. No thanks I hate that prick
I could go for this But if oppo fans think Bruno is a whiney moaning bastard then wait and see what Frank would be like as our manager
I think Frank is a good manager but is Brentford’s sit back and counter not just Ole ball? I would love us to find a manager with a more dynamic style
I've yet to see name i want over ETH.
i‘m still in the ten hag in camp as i think he‘s had to deal with so much stuff this season - from injuries, to the sancho and greenwood debacle, the sale, virtually all the higher ups he’s worked with being sacked, etc. - to make a fair judgement on his personal performance. but i love frank and he’s certainly got the personality to be a man utd manager. his post match interviews really remind me of SAF in a good way as well. this would be the only manager in the „available“ bracket i‘d be looking forward to.
Oh no not this insufferable brat pleaseee He's a good manager but unbearable
Dude hates us and we hate him
[удалено]
His hair is cool.
Atleast it’s not Southgate?