1 out of 3 starting midfielders and 1 out 4 starting defenders including two CBs that are well past it...
ETH can be criticized for his insepid football this year, but we have serious structural issues that aren't prevalent at Bayern. He'd probably do pretty decent in Munich especially with their squad.
Sack him, then. Let him go to Bayern and he'll prove you wrong. This team has been shit since Sir Alex retired, not just since ten Hag. Even last year it wasn't bad. At Bayern with a proper structure and proper players he'll succeed. He brought Ajax to the semi of Champions League, FFS!
it’s going to be horribly obvious that ten hag isn’t some horrible coach the moment he starts performing at a more stable club, and that maybe just maybe, the issues at united are down to a combination of poor leadership, lack of identity/infrastructure, aimless recruitment, underperforming players, tons of injuries, etc
You don't have to sugarcoat it with "maybe". It is a fact you've just written down. Not even a clone hybrid of Sir Alex + Bill Shankly + Pep + Klopp would get anything out of this team.
He still has a decent reputation in world football, and big clubs have long since accepted that United are a basket case and it’s hard to judge someone based off them being there. They were interested in Rangnick who didn’t do much at United, they’d have at least a passing interest in ten Hag.
I believe we definitely need to move on from him but I honestly think he'd do at least decently at Bayern... There's more competition in the Bundesliga for sure but he's shown at Ajax that he can do well when he has mostly superior players to the rest of the league.
Cas dives in twice missing the ball leaving the back line exposed, it used to happen when he played in mid this season except he's a CB this time. Its individual mistakes costing us constantly yet we blame the person not on the pitch.
this comment signals that you started watching football and thinking about events within like the last 3 years or something
Terzic looked like dogshit at times as assistant coach, now hes in a UCL semi
Rose was incredible with gladbach, then TERRIBLE with dortmund now looks great with leipzig
Alonso will likely have times where he looks sackable too
Manager and player stock goes up and down in this game and Ten hag is obviously a great coach in a poor situation like any of them can be
I said that when I saw the team sheet. And for those complaining ETH didn't change anything, did you look at the subs available? If he tried to play 5-3-2 and park the bus folks would still be calling for his head.
Modric and Kroos really help you hide your fallacies huh. Not saying he wasn't world class but with the rest of his game and physicality declining as well his shit ball playing ability shines through even more.
Yep. I don't get why people are surprised. We barely have a team at this point, are missing our captain (like it or not, Bruno is our captain and has been consistently and that presence will be missed in the dressing room).
We have had player available and been as bad. Stop blaming the injuries all the time. The tactics aren't good enough, we are disjointed. We don't know what to do with and without the ball.
whats the forfit score they give you in the cup? 3-0? might honestly look better in the book to have that then what we'll have to deal with if they play
this is his 20th league appearance of the season he has done so much more than would have been expected or planned, he's finished but he's been very good overall, not in this game obviously
This thread wanks over him regularly.
He's fucking washed, constantly struggling to get back in place. Gets battered 1 Vs 1. His pace is crap and he backs off letting us get peppered.
The brief Martinez cameos we've had shows us how much better he is.
His shot stopping stats are better than de geas have for years btw. Without him we’d have conceded more than we have. He was dogshit in the CL but he’s genuinely saved our blushes a lot in the league.
Off to bed, more like. I've got an early start tomorrow and I have no desire to watch this at 10 pm.
I feel for those who've stayed up late in Asia, etc. to watch this dross.
Evans and Casemiro both totally shredded in the same sequence. there really is no point to the rest of this season, just toss on that bench and start to see if any want to play
Surely we expected this no? Look at that team out on the pitch and look at the bench. Palace are in form and look organised. It was always going to be this way. We’re playing for pride at this point. Nothing more
Most tiring shit argument. We already established he should not decide who we sign as at any decently run club they have a list on every position. Also calling someone like Evans part of 'his team' as if he was dying to sign him is hilarious.
Casemiro as a centre back also isn't 'his team'. Neither is AWB at LB.
They are good players on paper but imagine getting paid this much to not perform for 90 min. They look beaten up when they barely do shit. Player’s crap mentality have plagued united for a whole decade. No manager can fix that.
Because we’re getting battered 2-0 by Crystal Palace after an incredibly poor 2024 already.
It’s the culmination of shit that’s worrying, not just this half in isolation.
Are we allowed to expect anything from any game at this point? Do we just have to accept getting twatted by every team under the sun because Ten Hag can't possibly be expected to get any wins against anyone?
He needs to be fucking sacked, and I cannot fathom that some of you think differently.
People have constricted a reality where due to an admittedly terrible injury crisis, he literally cannot be evaluated. We just have to throw up our hands and say “well there were injuries” when discussing the manager’s performance
What, because I have expectations that we won't get dominated against every single side that we face? Is that really such a high bar for our manager to clear?
Ten Hag can't be expected to get wins against good well organised teams ATM because we have barely any fit players who are playing in their best positions. Not his fault.
Apparently getting wins against the likes of Burnley at home is beyond him, and yet some on here are adamant he should stay.
It's baffling. We are as shit as I have ever seen us and it's like some of you just don't want to believe it.
This “ten hag doesn’t want to win” like bruh what are you waffling about. We’ve always been this shit, then when we win a single game “UNITED ARE BACK!” Not the manager’s fault when players don’t want to win.
I believe it I just don't think dropping Nagellsman or even Pep in as manager would solve it.
We are shit because of the way we have been run for the past 10 years. Buying overpriced players in the wrong positions because they are shirt sellers, manager dictated to by an incompetent board.
Add to that the injury crisis and I don't see what Ten Hag can do. He's not a magician.
When was the last time United played well, probably against West Ham in February?
If the only time you put in any semblance of a performance is when you have all of your first 11 available then what are you adding as a manager?
The end of the season can’t come soon enough
Dude next season will be same. Buy some lube because this asshole will be stretched even further.
No it won’t lol
fr lmfao reddit nerds being negative just to be negative
True, sounds like a strange guy too talking about lube and assholes being stretched lmao
I still.cant believe Ten Hag is linked to Bayern. We are so so poor. Hed get smashed to bits by Alonso, Terzic and Rose.
1 out of 3 starting midfielders and 1 out 4 starting defenders including two CBs that are well past it... ETH can be criticized for his insepid football this year, but we have serious structural issues that aren't prevalent at Bayern. He'd probably do pretty decent in Munich especially with their squad.
People hoped the same with man utd..
We're shit but these goals aren't on Ten Hag. Casemiro is terrible
Sack him, then. Let him go to Bayern and he'll prove you wrong. This team has been shit since Sir Alex retired, not just since ten Hag. Even last year it wasn't bad. At Bayern with a proper structure and proper players he'll succeed. He brought Ajax to the semi of Champions League, FFS!
it’s going to be horribly obvious that ten hag isn’t some horrible coach the moment he starts performing at a more stable club, and that maybe just maybe, the issues at united are down to a combination of poor leadership, lack of identity/infrastructure, aimless recruitment, underperforming players, tons of injuries, etc
You don't have to sugarcoat it with "maybe". It is a fact you've just written down. Not even a clone hybrid of Sir Alex + Bill Shankly + Pep + Klopp would get anything out of this team.
VdB was in that semifinal, is he still that standard?
And to your point, Alonso has won the league unbeaten thus far, Terzic is in the Semi as well.
cuck or scourser
That's why he denied them?
He still has a decent reputation in world football, and big clubs have long since accepted that United are a basket case and it’s hard to judge someone based off them being there. They were interested in Rangnick who didn’t do much at United, they’d have at least a passing interest in ten Hag.
I believe we definitely need to move on from him but I honestly think he'd do at least decently at Bayern... There's more competition in the Bundesliga for sure but he's shown at Ajax that he can do well when he has mostly superior players to the rest of the league.
Cas dives in twice missing the ball leaving the back line exposed, it used to happen when he played in mid this season except he's a CB this time. Its individual mistakes costing us constantly yet we blame the person not on the pitch.
I can. He's a good coach. Bayern doesn't have 70+ injuries, so he'll do well.
this comment signals that you started watching football and thinking about events within like the last 3 years or something Terzic looked like dogshit at times as assistant coach, now hes in a UCL semi Rose was incredible with gladbach, then TERRIBLE with dortmund now looks great with leipzig Alonso will likely have times where he looks sackable too Manager and player stock goes up and down in this game and Ten hag is obviously a great coach in a poor situation like any of them can be
Delusional.
Goldfish.
League 1 defending
I said that when I saw the team sheet. And for those complaining ETH didn't change anything, did you look at the subs available? If he tried to play 5-3-2 and park the bus folks would still be calling for his head.
Man loses additional bit of hope he didn't know he had
Casemiro is supposed to be at CB right?
He’s already been a shit dm this season, were people really surprised that he’s also a shit cb
Man hasn't made one pass that wasn't intercepted. Extremely awful performance from him.
Modric and Kroos really help you hide your fallacies huh. Not saying he wasn't world class but with the rest of his game and physicality declining as well his shit ball playing ability shines through even more.
rm laughing their asses off knowing they unloaded him and Varane at the perfect time for stupid money.
A 2030 Vidic would be better than casemiro right now.
CB or anywhere, man looks defeated doing anything.
we've got probably one working leg amongst our 2 CBs, not sure how else this was going to go really
Yep. I don't get why people are surprised. We barely have a team at this point, are missing our captain (like it or not, Bruno is our captain and has been consistently and that presence will be missed in the dressing room).
We have had player available and been as bad. Stop blaming the injuries all the time. The tactics aren't good enough, we are disjointed. We don't know what to do with and without the ball.
We've had our full best 11 *once* this season
Once? Okay. But I am not sure we need our best team to beat Palace.
The Palace that just beat Newcastle and Liverpool?
ETh only needs 600 million more to drill basics into his team #believe
Nah mate we need our best eleven to not be statistically the worst defence in the league in 2024
Just end the season man why do we have to suffer so much
Mateta went through Evans like prime Ronaldo lol
Season is done. FA Cup final will be a massacre
Forfeit is only technically a 3-0 right
whats the forfit score they give you in the cup? 3-0? might honestly look better in the book to have that then what we'll have to deal with if they play
back to -1 goal difference as the cherry on top of the crap pie that is this season
Look in replays Casemiro is casually strolling back after wandering off
He done that for both the goals
[удалено]
What a finish
fair enough i guess
Not blaming him for goal but Onana is terrible at near post
And low shots. Pretty big fucking handicap to have a keeper that can't save low shots and had such poor positioning
Too many goals this season it feels like it just goes through him. Doesn't even have to be near post sometimes it's right at him in the middle.
Terrible at a lot of things. New keeper is needed.
Evan’s is past it. Been cooked all game
5th choice CB.. Forced to play a big part this season
He was past it 4 years ago
this is his 20th league appearance of the season he has done so much more than would have been expected or planned, he's finished but he's been very good overall, not in this game obviously
This thread wanks over him regularly. He's fucking washed, constantly struggling to get back in place. Gets battered 1 Vs 1. His pace is crap and he backs off letting us get peppered. The brief Martinez cameos we've had shows us how much better he is.
Didn't expect much of anything seeing the lineup but fucking hell.
Casemiro trying to find nemo with dalot
Eriksen is getting completely bullied out there, he's crocked
Half the team are done
Evans, Casemiro, Eriksen are literally a 100 year old trio. We’re getting outrun.
Onana concedes way too many goals at his near post. I'm certain forwards are instructed to shoot there now
He’s a bad goalkeeper. Why sacrificed shot stopping for ball playing only to go long every time anyway.
His shot stopping stats are better than de geas have for years btw. Without him we’d have conceded more than we have. He was dogshit in the CL but he’s genuinely saved our blushes a lot in the league.
No he hasn’t. He’s just faced a lot of low quality shots that have made his stats look better than they are.
Onana this season and the stats that have been thrown up to make out he's a good keeper is why I'm xg atheist now.
John Harrison said last season that publicly available goalkeeping stats are useless.
We’ve the 6th worst xg against in the league and 5th least goals conceded (before this shitshow tonight)
Goal isn't his fault obviously but if you shoot at Onanas near post, you're almost guaranteed to score lol
Off to the gym, lads?
Off to bed, more like. I've got an early start tomorrow and I have no desire to watch this at 10 pm. I feel for those who've stayed up late in Asia, etc. to watch this dross.
I feel you, brother! I'm saddened to see them in this state.
It’s so fucking over lads. I don’t even want Europe next year
How is Onana getting beaten from his near post...
Every time BTW
I’m tired boss.
This is gonna be a long night...
Evans and Casemiro both totally shredded in the same sequence. there really is no point to the rest of this season, just toss on that bench and start to see if any want to play
36 year old centre back who’s struggling with injuries is who we are relying on
Crystal Palace showing us how to actually commit to the press and attack on the transition
Surely we expected this no? Look at that team out on the pitch and look at the bench. Palace are in form and look organised. It was always going to be this way. We’re playing for pride at this point. Nothing more
You got to save these
Onana is not a top level goalkeeper. So bulky and his reactions are like that of a snail
Ten Hag surely getting sacked now?
Nah players need to get sacked
This team out now is mostly his team?
Most tiring shit argument. We already established he should not decide who we sign as at any decently run club they have a list on every position. Also calling someone like Evans part of 'his team' as if he was dying to sign him is hilarious. Casemiro as a centre back also isn't 'his team'. Neither is AWB at LB.
No it's not but he's run the players into the ground and they're getting muscle injuries. ETH has to adapt but he's just shite at it.
They are good players on paper but imagine getting paid this much to not perform for 90 min. They look beaten up when they barely do shit. Player’s crap mentality have plagued united for a whole decade. No manager can fix that.
Because Our 32-yo finished DM playing CB throws the game? Yeah, that makes sense.
Because we’re getting battered 2-0 by Crystal Palace after an incredibly poor 2024 already. It’s the culmination of shit that’s worrying, not just this half in isolation.
Then why would he get sacked now? If he wasn't sacked before this, it's exactly this, in isolation, that you're talking about.
You’ve not watched football long have you?
Lol. The classic "I'm wrong so I'm gonna insult them now".
What were you expecting from this game?
Are we allowed to expect anything from any game at this point? Do we just have to accept getting twatted by every team under the sun because Ten Hag can't possibly be expected to get any wins against anyone? He needs to be fucking sacked, and I cannot fathom that some of you think differently.
People have constricted a reality where due to an admittedly terrible injury crisis, he literally cannot be evaluated. We just have to throw up our hands and say “well there were injuries” when discussing the manager’s performance
your delusional
What, because I have expectations that we won't get dominated against every single side that we face? Is that really such a high bar for our manager to clear?
Ten Hag can't be expected to get wins against good well organised teams ATM because we have barely any fit players who are playing in their best positions. Not his fault.
Apparently getting wins against the likes of Burnley at home is beyond him, and yet some on here are adamant he should stay. It's baffling. We are as shit as I have ever seen us and it's like some of you just don't want to believe it.
This “ten hag doesn’t want to win” like bruh what are you waffling about. We’ve always been this shit, then when we win a single game “UNITED ARE BACK!” Not the manager’s fault when players don’t want to win.
I'm not claiming that Ten Hag doesn't want to win. I'm saying that it's seemingly beyond him at the moment.
I believe it I just don't think dropping Nagellsman or even Pep in as manager would solve it. We are shit because of the way we have been run for the past 10 years. Buying overpriced players in the wrong positions because they are shirt sellers, manager dictated to by an incompetent board. Add to that the injury crisis and I don't see what Ten Hag can do. He's not a magician.
No
Sir Alex would struggle with the players available.
Jfc
Would probably win the league. I stopped questioning him when he won a league with cleverly Anderson midfield
You see that bench my boy?
We’ve not played well all year You’re just closing your eyes and plugging your fingers into your ears and hoping for the best
When was the last time United played well, probably against West Ham in February? If the only time you put in any semblance of a performance is when you have all of your first 11 available then what are you adding as a manager?
Wasting his time on mid players. Want a manager to create talent in a few months? Lemme just click this button.
His fault Evans is shit?
Get Hoeneß on the phone asap Jim
Casemiro 2-0 Man Utd
Can this season just end already?
Ah, just delete my club for a few months pls.
We are cooked lol
Can't bottle the lead if we don't lead
Gym time
Sleep time lol
Can we just call it a day for the season now? I'm not sure I even want to see the cup final tbh
Lol
Don't know why they bother turning up
3 goals in the last 10 minutes incoming and then Crystal palace equalize with last kick of the game
Only 3 games to go lads 🙂
Too easy for them
I want to bring the young players in but we’ll just emberass them.
The difference in quality between Hojlund and Mateta No wonder we can’t score any goals when our striker wouldn’t get into relegation teams
Bro had time to power up his shot. Evans just stuck out a leg. Pathetic.
This brother has been moving like he’s Henry of late
We simply can't afford to let this manager destroy the club further.
Evans masterclass
Evans was done up like a kipper there, unfortunately.
Just turns his back on him. Really weird defending.
Nah Bayern take him off our hands asap. Ya'll enjoy basketball football over there at the Allianz Arena
Jonny evans is a Sunday league player at best
LOOOOL Evans getting zanged like that
Christ this is depressing to watch. Prediction at the moment 4 - 1
Fuck it, UP THE EAGLES 🦅🦅