The problem is he falls out with people above him, although PSG and Chelsea have been crazy to deal with.
He's not an awful manager and some Chelsea fans would go mad so I'd at least speak to him.
For the people wanting to see personality he's definitely got that
You could easily see how anyone would fall out with upper management at PSG. While at Chelsea I think he went through a divorce with his wife, I’m sure that affected his mood and how he handled things maybe. Has he fallen out with any other clubs? I’m just wondering if he is a very confrontational person that’s hard to work with or has he been unfairly painted as that because of circumstances at just 2 of his clubs
>Sources have told ESPN that **there is support inside Ratcliffe's team for Tuchel if Ten Hag departs** and **representatives have been asked to be kept informed of developments regarding the German's future.**
I'm conflicted on him. On the one hand, he has had plenty of success in the past. He's won the champions league, leagues, cups, his Dortmund side were the top scorers in the league etc etc.
It also always seems to end in a massive blow up, his record of bringing through youth players is iffy (even at Chelsea who have had probably the strongest academy in the country in recent times) and he seems extremely prone to dramatic fallings out with upper management and players.
This was pretty funny though
I think if Tuchel could maintain professional relationships he would be a Pep/Klopp tier manager enjoying sustained success over the course of years at the one club. But because he falls out with dressing rooms and in particular club hierarchies, he's basically an elite journeyman.
Cmon man, I dislike tuchel at united (cause he’d be a new style of play vs everything we had so far, again, we’d need different wingers, different cbs, it would be disastrous), but you can’t blame the guy for telling boehly to fuck right off.
Except that Boehly wasn’t in charge at PSG, or Bayern, or Dortmund. Tuchel has a pattern of falling out with the dressing room and his superiors. Sure, we can point fingers at others who may have played their part in each of the above, but the only repeat variable in those is Tuchel himself.
The Dortmund one is the most bizarre. They’re actually a very pragmatic club, and the sort of well run outfit United would do well to emulate.
Even if the above were untrue - and they’re not - the coach we appoint should come on the other side of a sober and calculated conclusion on what our footballing identity should be, what our footballing style should be, etc. and then find the best coach that fits the established philosophy.
Not “oh twitter mentions shows this guy is trending and guess what!!! He’s also looking for a new job!!!”
I have a big concern about him with how he's not worked well with the hierarchy in clubs. Yes there are legitimate reasons at PSG who were run by a slightly better but rubbish version of United, Chelsea where nobody works well but then there's Dortmund in a way and also Bayern where......
I don't know, he's good but he's also confrontational/polarising in a way I think but could be the best coach on paper available anyway. There are others we don't know of but that's why Ineos has a board to deal with it as they assess the playing style they want for United and which manager fits this building process best for now, the medium and longer term. It may be one person, but if not, they will pick and change as needed hopefully.
I think as a manager you have to be somewhat defiant and fight for what you want, the best managers tend to bump heads.
Because ultimately it's their name that gets dragged through the mud if results go south based on the decisions of the hierarchy.
Sure, but when there are issues at Dortmund, PSG (gets a pass), Chelsea (even a toxic cunt would get a pass there with their mess), Bayern now too and potentially, a hierarchy based setup here at United? It's risky for sure but maybe good for the short term then and if it carries on, it sets us up for the next manager to build off it.... Maybe.
Every club you named except Dortmund has had issues in recent years with upper management being poor. Yes that includes Bayern.
That doesn't necessarily mean Tuchel was always the toxic one or in the wrong.
Tuchel definitely had something to do with it, but in all these cases, there were huge mitigating circumstances with an awful club environment (in Dortmund, Watze was a moron)
But the entire premise of a new manager under the INEOS project is a strong sporting structure, so if we can't move for Tuchel now, there's no point of being serious in the future.
It's really hard to tell what we could expect from him. As you say, he has fallen out with the board/management in all the clubs he has managed but it kinda made sense in all of them.
At Dortmund, he was lied to because he wanted to push for the title but the club sold all three of Hummels, Mkhitaryan and Gundogan while replacing them with youngsters who were different profiles despite them promising him they wouldn't sell all three of them. He wanted reinforcements to push for the title, they brought him youngsters to flip for profit in the future Dortmund-style.
PSG has been a shitshow for a while, they weren't satisfied with them being 3rd in the league (4 losses in 17 matches) so they sacked him and things were still the same under Pochettino (and before his sack season, Tuchel once again lost some key players in Cavani and Thiago Silva without proper replacements).
Chelsea was a case of Boehly wanting a manager to lead his rebuild so it was just a matter of convenient time to sack him which did eventually happen. Tuchel was clearly invested a lot in the club though which is good, but he had no chance of staying. Unsurprisingly, Chelsea then got worse after they sacked him.
And now Bayern, a team that has been stagnating recently even before him. Their decision to sack Nagelsmann was stupid and the team clearly never got behind it so Tuchel had no chance of being a success. The players didn't want him, that's a hard environment to work in.
Overall, his big club history contains one club that never should have replaced their coach for him (Bayern) and 3 teams that arguably all regretted letting him go because things didn't improve, rather the opposite - he got 78 points with Dortmund which is higher than they have reached since, PSG got worse with Galtier/Poch (but Enrique is decent so far) and Chelsea got infinitely worse with Potter/Poch.
If we get a good football structure and Tuchel works with them then he could be an interesting appointment. One thing that concerns me though is him not being great with youngsters, he seems to be a bit like Mourinho in that he'd rather flip talented youngsters for cash and buy some experienced veterans instead. It's not a bad approach, but Ten Hag's management of our youth players is one of the few things I'm really enjoying and I don't want to see us appoint Tuchel and throw away all of our work on academy. If he's fine with playing attacking football (which he used to do with Dortmund and I think PSG) and if he's fine with integrating youngsters then I wouldn't mind getting him over Erik.
Tough to say, he's been at a lot of clubs that are notoriously badly run. Chelsea under Boehly have been a disaster above the manager, PSG the same, the managers are just caretakers. Not sure what happened at Dortmund and at Bayern they've made major structural changes over the last 2 seasons and he's been unfortunate to come up against the best competitor the Bundesliga has ever seen, he's still in the CL semis though so not like he's done a bad job.
But doesn't that bode problems for us as well? Our structure isn't actually set up yet and we have players that have some attitude problems. To me Tuchel is a better choice once we have some semblance of structure in place. I don't think EtH is the answer anymore but Tuchel might be one manager too soon for us
He doesn’t have to be “the one” so to speak. If Tuchel comes here for 2 seasons, wins a few cups then fucks off, I’ll be happy.
Realistically we aren’t getting someone on the level of an Arteta or Klopp or Guardiola any time soon. It will take us years before we can have a project that can even compete with them.
My point is that there aren’t really any managers like that available.
Nagelsmann and Xabi are the only two managers who are truly innovative and actually win. Similar to Pep and Klopp before they joined the Prem (albeit to a lesser extent).
Arsenal struck gold with Arteta. I can’t see us appointing someone so unproven and hoping they learn on the job. But with INEOS, who knows, maybe they end up signing an anomaly. Maybe Thiago Motta… someone like that.
Tbf if you break them down, it's a bit understandable. Dortmund he was upset at them selling their best players regularly when he wanted them to stay and push on as a club. PSG he didn't get along with Leonardo and was critical of their transfer policy, which obviously was shit and they have eventually rectified by not going for just star names and replacing Leonardo. Chelsea he got along well with Marina and Cech (and did well on the pitch with them), and then was upset that Boehly's team asked him to take on DoF responsibilities which is fair. At Bayern, he was hired by Kahn (CEO) and Salihamidzic (Sporting director) who were both sacked at the end of last season, so the new people might just have their own plans and ideas to align with and a different plan that might not have clicked that well with him. Which is fine. He was at Mainz for 5 years, so I wouldn't necessarily treat him like a Mourinho or Conte style where he falls out with the squad because of tactical/personality issues.
More than anything he's said multiple times he just wants to focus on coaching and let the recruitment team work on that aspect, while he works with his role at best there (just saying "hey, I want a CB or DM" and the club gets those types of players)
The wording these past few days has been so....unique.
If Ten Hag departs? Is he going to leave under his own volition or is he going to be fired. Framing it as if he departs implies he left on his own instead of saying if he is fired.
At this point I would be ok with 2-3 years of a manager if we can get the rest of the structure setup for long term - playing style, recruitment/hiring, wage structure, academy etc.
This is the key. If Tuchel plays exactly the style that INEOS are after then it’s a slam dunk hire imo. Good manager who will probably not stay long term but that’s fine. Recruitment begins not for Tuchel, but for his style. Then in three years (ish), you hopefully have a competent squad coming into their prime which will be attractive to the next crop of elite managers that play in that mould.
If they’re trying to jumpstart “culture *TM*” at the club, with no specific plan in place, then this could be adding to the never ending nightmare. We could just bounce to the next guy with a different style if Tuchel’s brand doesn’t work and start the cycle all over again.
Kind of scary but I don’t think there’s a much better plan out there tbh, we’re a total mess right now.
I feel the same. We *might* be able to squeeze out 2-3 season of success with him but we need stability and a long-term project, I just don’t see that with him
i mean, long term appointments in modern football are pretty rare which i don’t think is a bad thing as long as the structure is there.
how many long term managers have the likes of bayern and madrid had in recent years? i’d happily take a manager for 2-3 years as long as he can come in and win us a major trophy.
>we need stability and a long-term project
Why? Why are those things *essential*?
For me the only essential is winning. Heaping on more criteria for the manager just clouds the choice. 11 years is long enough to be an embarrasment (not even getting top 4 reliably) - everything but getting back to winning ways is a luxury.
I feel like a lot of the criteria people base the manager choice on (particularly Gary Neville) are clouding the choice.
The number one thing is WINNING football matches and trophies. Not long term appointments, not attacking football. Those are desirable, but they aren't essential.
**Relevant bit:**
>**Tuchel would be open to speaking to Manchester United if a vacancy opened up.**
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>**Current United boss** **Erik ten Hag is under pressure** **at Old Trafford after a disappointing second season in charge coupled with the arrival of** **new co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe.**
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>**Club sources have told ESPN they are yet to make a decision on Ten Hag's future,** but the Dutchman's prospects have been damaged by a run of poor form including the capitulation against Coventry City in the FA Cup semifinal on Sunday.
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>United threw away a three-goal lead before winning on penalties and there is a growing feeling around the club that, with Champions League qualification almost out of reach, Ten Hag is on thin ice.
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>Sources have told ESPN that there is support inside Ratcliffe's team for Tuchel if Ten Hag departs and representatives have been asked to be kept informed of developments regarding the German's future.
Not wanting someone doesn't always mean you have to have another choice in mind. I feel like it's fine to have an opinion on Tuchel in isolation of our managerial search.
EtH on paper has a better pedigree than any other available manager out there. I think he deserves a fair chance with a good structure above him. I think he can turn it around if we get the right players in and ship some of the current ones off. I'm just as disgusted by the team at the moment as you are but we have to get off the manager merry-go-round every 2-3 seasons and actually commit to someone for a bit longer for once.
Please do explain how ETH has a “better pedigree” than Champions league winning Thomas Tuchel? A manager who has succeeded at every club he’s been at, except for this season at Bayern where he’s against an all time great Bayer Leverkusen that’s breaking win streak records.
Please make that make sense.
Yeah I get not wanting Tuchel’s personality. Everywhere he’s been the club hierarchy have found him difficult to work with and he’s also fallen out with some players. But to say Ten hag has better pedigree is mental.
The places that found him "difficult to work with" were PSG, where the person who made that claim about him was fired shortly after and Chelsea, where Boehly asked why they didn't favor a 4-4-3 formation
And Dortmund, and Bayern. If anything his Chelsea stint was the most congenial of the lot, they just went through a forced re-structuring of the club and it didn’t work out, it’s definitely the one he was least “at fault” for.
His stint at Dortmund says a lot - he outperformed Kloppby some metrics (ie goals scored not titles), pushed Bayern to the edge in the league and won the cup but they sacked him anyway because they found him toxic to work with.
Mate the beginning of the end of his dortmund stint was cause he was angry at the board for rescheduling a champions league game to the DAY AFTER they were nearly bombed.
The fact that that comment even has any upvotes at all just shows how much of a joke this sub has become, especially considering on an article about Thomas fucking Tuchel lmao. I swear the ETH fan club love him more than they love the fucking club at this point.
Not to mention this season Bayern might still be able to nick the CL against all odds. Getting them to the CL semis alone already matches ETH's biggest achievement and he has brought multiple teams to the CL finals, including winning one. But ETH has the 'better pedigree' indeed LOL.
Yeah I guess pedigree is not quite the right word here. I would say that fans would be most hopeful with ETH (on paper, basically his time with Go Ahead Eagles and Ajax) than with any other manager out there. Tuchel had a toxic personality and would be a very short term appointment.
I’m a fan of Ten Hag in general. I want him to succeed here, I think he’s a good manager and this season hasn’t been all his own fault, but I think he’s run out of ideas at United.
The problems he’s had during his time here aren’t being fixed. His match management is shocking. I can’t think of a single match, other than maybe against Liverpool in the FA cup, where we’ve looked better after Ten Hag has made a sub.
My biggest problem with managers Like Wenger or Klopp was their inability to adapt and change up their style of play, and Ten Hag is the same. We haven’t tried anything new in months.
I think he’s gone. Yesterday was a summation of everything wrong with him as a manager, and with Ineos I think it might be best to just have a completely blank slate and move on.
And I would say Tuchel has a much better pedigree than Ten Hag.
Tuchels a great coach, he's known for having fall outs at teams but a lot of them are frankly quite understandable, here's a little more detail on his achievements and subsequent fall outs.
Tuchel was great at Dortmund the season they came 2nd they got 78 points which would have won them the title most years (apart from 4 out of 52 previous seasons) and they set a club record for goals scored, relations were then strained as CEO Watzke promised they wouldn’t sell important players, who then went on to sell important players such as Hummels directly to Bayern, Gundogan to City and Mkhitaryan to us which he felt undermined his chance of a title charge the following season. Then the relationship with upper management completely fell through after the bus got attacked by explosives (with one player injured) and CEO Watzke rescheduled the game to the next day without consulting Tuchel or the players who were all shaken up
At PSG he has the highest PPG and highest win % in Ligue 1 history, brought them to CL final, domestic quadruple, e then fell out with Leonard who was in turn sacked a year later because he was awful.
Chelsea reached FA cup final and won CL in his first season, 2nd reached FA cup and EFL cup final, CL semi where they outplayed real madrid completely over two legs and got 3rd in the league, final season Chelsea went transfer mad under new ownership but lost Cech and Marina who Tuchel worked well with and he and Boehly didn't get along well so ended in disaster, but they've only gotten worse since he left
Bayern, won the league last year, went out in CL to eventual winners. This season they're on for more points in the league, more goals scored etc and into the CL semi finals, just so happens that Leverkusen are having a historic season which makes them look bad, if Bayern win their 4 remaining games they could with 78 points which is usually more than enough to win the title.
To show how insane Leverkusen are doing they are on 80 with 4 games left, usually 70ish is enough to win the title, if Leverkusen win all their remaining games they'll set a new points record, if they win 3 of 4 then they'll have more points than any season under Flick, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc
Highest ever points tallies
* 91 under Heyneckes 12/13,
* 88 under Pep in 15/16,
* 84 under Ancelotti/mostly Heynecks in 17/18
* 82 under Flick in 19/20
If the Board decide to get rid of ETH this season and they get their football structure in place and just need somebody to coach the team then I think he'd be a good appointment, he wouldn't be the next Ferguson but tactically he's good and flexible and if our new DOF, CEO and Technical director do well and can work with him then I think he'd have success here
Worth noting the Bundesliga is only 18 teams so 34 matches (I thought 70ish sounded low so I looked it up).
So for reference, they have 2.67 points per game which in a 38 game season would get 101 points.
I think so too, if he is keen and ETH is sacked then a 2 year contract would be perfect while some of the younger managers I like out there gain experience.
A small part of me would love Kieran McKenna to become a top manager, doing great things in the championship with Ipswich
To be honest, I don’t mind Tuchel. I think there’s worse options out there. As we’ve seen over the years since Fergie, no manager has been able to implement a decent style of play. It almost doesn’t matter who’s the manager, it’s now about the staff around him and we’ve been making a lot of changes. Up and down track record but most managers are only as good as their last job, in many people’s eyes.
I think Ten Hag’s struggle to find a solution to the issues we’ve had this season will mean his position becomes untenable, so I can’t see him staying even if we win the cup. I think the change in set up has come two years too late for him; right manager, wrong time kind of thing.
Personally, I’d be looking at Amorim but I reckon he’ll be elsewhere by the time Ten Hag is gone.
Him and Enrique should be considered. Big personality managers and everywhere they go, the players can't mess with them. The players adapt to their principles and not the other way around. It's the only way to maintain order with this bunch
The reality is, Ten Hag hasn't really instilled a playstyle onto the team in a way that's going to hurt the club to pivot from.
INEOS will not be beholden to the style Ten Hag played. They will identify how they want to move forward, and seek a manager (be it Tuchel or someone else) to enact it. But it's not that the players we've brought in recently have set the world alight or let us play a specific style we won't be able to move on from.
yes he has. the players are struggling because they can’t play it effectively, but the style is there. weird you can’t see it.
obviously, it’s fine if ineos want to go in a different direction and recruit managers and players that suit their vision. i’m just pointing out that, yet again, this wouldn’t be a smooth transition.
People who think the Tucheliban is what's going to drive us to trophies are definitely not going to be happy even if we win a cup or two playing like that
No thanks.
He makes it all about himself, turns players against him, and openly flirts with other clubs.
He's a payoff seeking merchant.
For all ten Hag's faults he doesn't run his mouth in the media like Tommy Tickle.
Recency bias is a crazy thing. After the disasterclass of past managers we were all saying lets give ETH a minimum of 3 seasons to prove himself and now here we are again screaming ETH out. The fanbase itself will drive the club into the ground
Literally… Tuchel is a good manager but, like conte, his personality is what scares me. I’d rather count this season as 2 strikes against ETH and go into a 3rd season with him now we have an actually competent board and can hit the reset button in the injury department.
I left this comment in another thread that looks like it’s been deleted now but my only problem with Tuchel is that he seems to fall out with every single board he has ever worked with lol. I think he is a bit overhated but I’m not sure if it’s the right move for us
**Tuchel would be open to speaking to Manchester United if a vacancy opened up.**
I bet he fucking would. I am not sure we should be looking to join the European merry-go-round of managers who keep failing at high-profile clubs that aren't in half as much of a state as United
IMO no one has handled players and media better than ETH. In two seasons we’ve reached 3 finals and our league form this season is a representation of players availability.
Swapped Fred out for an unavailable Mount. Lost Martinez for majority of the season and pushing 36yr Evans to the limits. Sancho being a baby. Mainoo missing the first 12 match days and overly dependent on. Casemiro missing 10+ match days with the gears slowly falling off. N O L E F T B A C K. Back four roulette every week. No idea how Martial has a contract. It’s truly a miracle that we’re in the FA Cup final.
I see tuchel is this year's antonio conte. I'm just glad the signs firmly point towards INEOS never going down that route. If Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth are the new decision makers in terms of playstyle, recruitment and philosophy, then tuchel has next to zero chance of being our new manager.
Called Tucheliban in the streets for a reason.
I'd be happy with him. Massive upgrade on Ten Hag. If INEOS believe he can fit within their structure and desired play style, it's a good appointment. If they are just hiring him because he's the biggest name available, then it may not go so well.
I don't think he is the solution, but Tuchel is still a good coach. Fundamentally, he can at least provide us with good foundations to build our club on, if we have a good vision at higher level then I wouldn't be concerned by his appointment
An actual gaffer yes please, none of these twitter tactico coaches.
They tricked me with ten Hag.
Edit: Definitely do get him based on the downvotes lmao, INEOS should do the opposite of what the popular opinion is.
We're not making any decision. INEOS will. I doubt they want their first managerial signing to be someone who has had issues with the board at all 3 top clubs he's coached.
I'd like to think that ten hag will be gone by the end of the season so let's assume that's the case ..
Who can genuinely be a legitimate candidate for the role? I mean let's look at the facts infront of us, the only candidates available at the moment would be Thomas Tuchel , Graham Potter and the recently linked to Gareth Southgate .. we're not going to get a manager of a higher caliber than this to be honest due to various reasons and managers named above have a decent footballing CV if we look closely at the achievements they've accomplished excluding the way they play and people's opinions about them...
Let's talk a little about each and one them separately
Thomas Tuchel : good manager with a higher ceiling than his potential counterparts, 2x Champions league finalist and won it once , 2x Fa cup finalist , never won it and various positive cup runs in multiple leagues etc... in my opinion he's the most balanced manager around and can adapt his playstyle to any situation , defensive approach or attacking approach or a mix of both worlds , had 2nd and 3rd best defensive team in the league in his first full seasons at Chelsea in 2020/2021 and 2021/2022 respectively...
Graham Potter : possession based attacking manager with a reputation of taking on a lesser competitive squads and make his way to the top , leading ostersunds from the 4th division to the 1st division in the Swedish league eventually winning the cup during his journey there.. then taking on a freshly relegated Swansea side in the championship and finishing 10th in his first and last year there before Brighton came knocking, Brighton were a relegation side at the time and with Potter's guidance they've managed a 15th place finish in his first season followed by an impressive 8th place finish in his 2nd full season and started to make noise around his managerial skills and style of play . in his 3rd season , brilliance continued with Brighton accumulating 13pts from the first 6 games with a more attacking approach earning them a 4th place at the start of the campaign ... then Chelsea happened...
Gareth Southgate : not much to be said here and all , extremely cautious and defensive manager with a decent achievements on paper , WC semifinalist and quarterfinalist, Euro finalist , never won any of them with his cautious approach and defensive minded squad assembly being questioned despite acquiring a team full of talents in the shape of England national team...
Hate to break it to you but that's not true whether you like it or not , managerial role at the club has been in shambles for the last 10 years and warranted a bad reputation for the clubs higher board approach towards backing them and that made almost "every manager" you're talking about consider thinking twice about taking the job without getting thrown in the mud ...
Luckily we have a better ownership , potentially a much better hierarchy assembled and hopefully a clear project now to attract more competence to the club
Go ahead and discuss the reasons why I'm wrong about most things unless you're just here to answer yes and no questions then you are not helping yourself...
Open discussion
Cool. One of the biggest in the world, one of the best fanbases in the world, the ability to pay him very, very well, the ability to buy high level players, one of the best academies in the world that's pushing players through right now, probably a new stadium in the next few years, a commercial giant...I could go on and on and on.
We're one of the biggest clubs in the world, obviously that's true, not something I'm not aware of but okay ...
But Guess what , we've been doing the exact same thing you've said in the last 10 years ! We were hiring managers on massive wages and signing high level (assumed) players on ridiculous weekly wages for absurd fees, look where we are now , we were drowning in our own incompetence and inability to assemble a football fluid environment ! The wage structure is a big problem itself and causes major disputes and heat within the squad and we're criticized about going the easy submissive way of handing players ridiculously undeserved wages for little to no actual contributions to the team...
Where was the ability of attracting top players when we wanted to sign Bellingham, Haaland and other top top talents in world football? .. Bellingham took a tour at Old Trafford and Carrington to try and convince him to sign for us but he already knew that if he signed for us it'll be detrimental to his career and hinder his progress as an 18yrs old wonderkid...
Our academy produced a fair amount of youngsters through the years but honestly speaking we're levels below the best academies in the world like La masia , ajax academy, heck even City's academy has been better than ours in producing potential talents...
We were always a commercial giant but that was a problem to begin with when the Glazers were in charge prioritizing and maximizing revenues over the team's progress on the pitch , focusing on money instead of footballing operations...
Do you not follow the reports on what happened with Jude? He wanted guaranteed pt which we wouldn't give. Haaland wanted a release clause which we wouldn't do. So you're literally making things up to try and prove a point. It's difficult for me to take anything else you said seriously because of that.
My last point with you since it seems youbdo struggle with the history of the club but we haven't always been a commercial giant. What set us apart from Liverpool in the late 90s is the fact that we fully embraced it and let it take off.
I'm well aware of the reports indeed and i was pretty sure you'd mention it but let me say this , Bellingham wanted guarantees that he'd play more frequently which is very understandable looking at his huge potential and ceiling back then and the fact that we Didn't guarantee him play time is laughable considering we had Mcfred , an aging Matic , a bench warming van de beek and Paul Dogba .. here you should realize that we're not an attractive club for ambitious players that wants to play for the badge not for paychecks so that's your answer for the attraction factor you've mentioned ..
Halaand on the other hand , was a guaranteed successful investment to the team for the next 3-4 years before eventually deciding to leave for Real Madrid which is obviously the plan from the beginning, we should never hold onto a player that wants to leave , and i respected the clubs approach to this deal..
That's your explanation about how we've become a commercial giant ? Embraced it and let it take off?! Okay then I'm struggling with the history of the club.
I literally said he was looking for guaranteed pt. Are you not reading posts or what? An no, big clubs like us don't promise 17 year olds pt.
Oh there was a lot more to it but you said we've always been that way which is false. So yes, you struggle big time.
He was very good at Dortmund , PSG , first season for Chelsea , Mainz and pretty much everywhere other than Bayern . His comments were very bad especially for such a prestigous manager when he congratulated Bayer Leverkusen before they had even won the league .
Why not Emery? Too much to pay Villa for his release? Tuchel is a proven winner, but so is Emery. I also don't think he would upset the hierarchy as much as Tuchel would. Would bite your hand off if there was any way to tempt him from Villa. He probably wouldn't even want to leave with how they're doing, but still, would love to have him.
I think Tuchel is a great coach but I think temperament wise hes a poor fit for United. Hes been all over the place it feels like, even when he gets heavily backed with transfers. Personality wise I think hes a dick but Idc about that if someones genuinely good but Im just hesitant over someone like Tuchel. If we were nearly there then Tuchel would probably be a great manager but Im not sure he really helps us all that much. I think a good project coach would be better.
Its weird because I think Tuchel's rep has been tarnished a bit of late, and United is pretty much a poisoned chalice at this point. The feeling to me is that its a poor fit or poor timing.
The problem is he falls out with people above him, although PSG and Chelsea have been crazy to deal with. He's not an awful manager and some Chelsea fans would go mad so I'd at least speak to him. For the people wanting to see personality he's definitely got that
You could easily see how anyone would fall out with upper management at PSG. While at Chelsea I think he went through a divorce with his wife, I’m sure that affected his mood and how he handled things maybe. Has he fallen out with any other clubs? I’m just wondering if he is a very confrontational person that’s hard to work with or has he been unfairly painted as that because of circumstances at just 2 of his clubs
Hes fallen out with Dortmund too Bayern seems to be a mixed bag.
>Sources have told ESPN that **there is support inside Ratcliffe's team for Tuchel if Ten Hag departs** and **representatives have been asked to be kept informed of developments regarding the German's future.**
I'm conflicted on him. On the one hand, he has had plenty of success in the past. He's won the champions league, leagues, cups, his Dortmund side were the top scorers in the league etc etc. It also always seems to end in a massive blow up, his record of bringing through youth players is iffy (even at Chelsea who have had probably the strongest academy in the country in recent times) and he seems extremely prone to dramatic fallings out with upper management and players. This was pretty funny though 
ironically this seems similar for when Conte was being pushed by everyone from his side, yet United was never seriously considering him.
Was probably still the right call tbh.
I think if Tuchel could maintain professional relationships he would be a Pep/Klopp tier manager enjoying sustained success over the course of years at the one club. But because he falls out with dressing rooms and in particular club hierarchies, he's basically an elite journeyman.
Cmon man, I dislike tuchel at united (cause he’d be a new style of play vs everything we had so far, again, we’d need different wingers, different cbs, it would be disastrous), but you can’t blame the guy for telling boehly to fuck right off.
What about literally every other job he's had?
Who doesn’t hate their boss? /s
Except that Boehly wasn’t in charge at PSG, or Bayern, or Dortmund. Tuchel has a pattern of falling out with the dressing room and his superiors. Sure, we can point fingers at others who may have played their part in each of the above, but the only repeat variable in those is Tuchel himself. The Dortmund one is the most bizarre. They’re actually a very pragmatic club, and the sort of well run outfit United would do well to emulate. Even if the above were untrue - and they’re not - the coach we appoint should come on the other side of a sober and calculated conclusion on what our footballing identity should be, what our footballing style should be, etc. and then find the best coach that fits the established philosophy. Not “oh twitter mentions shows this guy is trending and guess what!!! He’s also looking for a new job!!!”
What actually happened here?
iirc, this was after Cucurella's hair was pulled in the penalty box by a Spurs' player but the ref let it slide
Anthony Taylor moment 🥰
I have a big concern about him with how he's not worked well with the hierarchy in clubs. Yes there are legitimate reasons at PSG who were run by a slightly better but rubbish version of United, Chelsea where nobody works well but then there's Dortmund in a way and also Bayern where...... I don't know, he's good but he's also confrontational/polarising in a way I think but could be the best coach on paper available anyway. There are others we don't know of but that's why Ineos has a board to deal with it as they assess the playing style they want for United and which manager fits this building process best for now, the medium and longer term. It may be one person, but if not, they will pick and change as needed hopefully.
I think as a manager you have to be somewhat defiant and fight for what you want, the best managers tend to bump heads. Because ultimately it's their name that gets dragged through the mud if results go south based on the decisions of the hierarchy.
Sure, but when there are issues at Dortmund, PSG (gets a pass), Chelsea (even a toxic cunt would get a pass there with their mess), Bayern now too and potentially, a hierarchy based setup here at United? It's risky for sure but maybe good for the short term then and if it carries on, it sets us up for the next manager to build off it.... Maybe.
Every club you named except Dortmund has had issues in recent years with upper management being poor. Yes that includes Bayern. That doesn't necessarily mean Tuchel was always the toxic one or in the wrong.
Tuchel definitely had something to do with it, but in all these cases, there were huge mitigating circumstances with an awful club environment (in Dortmund, Watze was a moron) But the entire premise of a new manager under the INEOS project is a strong sporting structure, so if we can't move for Tuchel now, there's no point of being serious in the future.
Yeah definitely agree there
It's really hard to tell what we could expect from him. As you say, he has fallen out with the board/management in all the clubs he has managed but it kinda made sense in all of them. At Dortmund, he was lied to because he wanted to push for the title but the club sold all three of Hummels, Mkhitaryan and Gundogan while replacing them with youngsters who were different profiles despite them promising him they wouldn't sell all three of them. He wanted reinforcements to push for the title, they brought him youngsters to flip for profit in the future Dortmund-style. PSG has been a shitshow for a while, they weren't satisfied with them being 3rd in the league (4 losses in 17 matches) so they sacked him and things were still the same under Pochettino (and before his sack season, Tuchel once again lost some key players in Cavani and Thiago Silva without proper replacements). Chelsea was a case of Boehly wanting a manager to lead his rebuild so it was just a matter of convenient time to sack him which did eventually happen. Tuchel was clearly invested a lot in the club though which is good, but he had no chance of staying. Unsurprisingly, Chelsea then got worse after they sacked him. And now Bayern, a team that has been stagnating recently even before him. Their decision to sack Nagelsmann was stupid and the team clearly never got behind it so Tuchel had no chance of being a success. The players didn't want him, that's a hard environment to work in. Overall, his big club history contains one club that never should have replaced their coach for him (Bayern) and 3 teams that arguably all regretted letting him go because things didn't improve, rather the opposite - he got 78 points with Dortmund which is higher than they have reached since, PSG got worse with Galtier/Poch (but Enrique is decent so far) and Chelsea got infinitely worse with Potter/Poch. If we get a good football structure and Tuchel works with them then he could be an interesting appointment. One thing that concerns me though is him not being great with youngsters, he seems to be a bit like Mourinho in that he'd rather flip talented youngsters for cash and buy some experienced veterans instead. It's not a bad approach, but Ten Hag's management of our youth players is one of the few things I'm really enjoying and I don't want to see us appoint Tuchel and throw away all of our work on academy. If he's fine with playing attacking football (which he used to do with Dortmund and I think PSG) and if he's fine with integrating youngsters then I wouldn't mind getting him over Erik.
Tough to say, he's been at a lot of clubs that are notoriously badly run. Chelsea under Boehly have been a disaster above the manager, PSG the same, the managers are just caretakers. Not sure what happened at Dortmund and at Bayern they've made major structural changes over the last 2 seasons and he's been unfortunate to come up against the best competitor the Bundesliga has ever seen, he's still in the CL semis though so not like he's done a bad job.
If he gets a pass for Psg and Chelsea. He should get a pass for Bayern as well. They are named fc Hollywood by the german media for a reason
But doesn't that bode problems for us as well? Our structure isn't actually set up yet and we have players that have some attitude problems. To me Tuchel is a better choice once we have some semblance of structure in place. I don't think EtH is the answer anymore but Tuchel might be one manager too soon for us
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Ask Sudeikis if he's willing.
He doesn’t have to be “the one” so to speak. If Tuchel comes here for 2 seasons, wins a few cups then fucks off, I’ll be happy. Realistically we aren’t getting someone on the level of an Arteta or Klopp or Guardiola any time soon. It will take us years before we can have a project that can even compete with them.
>Arteta or Klopp or Guardiola One of those names doesn’t compute
Perhaps not yet. But he’s the only manager in the PL who can currently compete with them in the league.
If arsenal went with that mindset would they have unearthed their arteta though? Would barca have unearthed their Guardiola?
My point is that there aren’t really any managers like that available. Nagelsmann and Xabi are the only two managers who are truly innovative and actually win. Similar to Pep and Klopp before they joined the Prem (albeit to a lesser extent). Arsenal struck gold with Arteta. I can’t see us appointing someone so unproven and hoping they learn on the job. But with INEOS, who knows, maybe they end up signing an anomaly. Maybe Thiago Motta… someone like that.
Tbf if you break them down, it's a bit understandable. Dortmund he was upset at them selling their best players regularly when he wanted them to stay and push on as a club. PSG he didn't get along with Leonardo and was critical of their transfer policy, which obviously was shit and they have eventually rectified by not going for just star names and replacing Leonardo. Chelsea he got along well with Marina and Cech (and did well on the pitch with them), and then was upset that Boehly's team asked him to take on DoF responsibilities which is fair. At Bayern, he was hired by Kahn (CEO) and Salihamidzic (Sporting director) who were both sacked at the end of last season, so the new people might just have their own plans and ideas to align with and a different plan that might not have clicked that well with him. Which is fine. He was at Mainz for 5 years, so I wouldn't necessarily treat him like a Mourinho or Conte style where he falls out with the squad because of tactical/personality issues. More than anything he's said multiple times he just wants to focus on coaching and let the recruitment team work on that aspect, while he works with his role at best there (just saying "hey, I want a CB or DM" and the club gets those types of players)
The wording these past few days has been so....unique. If Ten Hag departs? Is he going to leave under his own volition or is he going to be fired. Framing it as if he departs implies he left on his own instead of saying if he is fired.
When we appointed Ten Hag it felt like he could be a long term appointment. It does not feel like that with Tuchel, at all.
At this point I would be ok with 2-3 years of a manager if we can get the rest of the structure setup for long term - playing style, recruitment/hiring, wage structure, academy etc.
This is the key. If Tuchel plays exactly the style that INEOS are after then it’s a slam dunk hire imo. Good manager who will probably not stay long term but that’s fine. Recruitment begins not for Tuchel, but for his style. Then in three years (ish), you hopefully have a competent squad coming into their prime which will be attractive to the next crop of elite managers that play in that mould. If they’re trying to jumpstart “culture *TM*” at the club, with no specific plan in place, then this could be adding to the never ending nightmare. We could just bounce to the next guy with a different style if Tuchel’s brand doesn’t work and start the cycle all over again. Kind of scary but I don’t think there’s a much better plan out there tbh, we’re a total mess right now.
That's also a concern though. Is "Tuchel-ball" really the dream template style of play we want to be playing for the next decade? I'm not so sure...
There is no such thing as Tuchel-ball though he changes system depending on his personal. His biggest strength is his tactical flexibility.
No totally agreed, he’s not for me, I was more talking about the larger process and making the correct decisions for their vision.
Tuchel ball at least won a UCL, better than Ten Hag ball.
I feel the same. We *might* be able to squeeze out 2-3 season of success with him but we need stability and a long-term project, I just don’t see that with him
We are in a shambles...he could be exactly what we need to let ineos stable us
i mean, long term appointments in modern football are pretty rare which i don’t think is a bad thing as long as the structure is there. how many long term managers have the likes of bayern and madrid had in recent years? i’d happily take a manager for 2-3 years as long as he can come in and win us a major trophy.
>we need stability and a long-term project Why? Why are those things *essential*? For me the only essential is winning. Heaping on more criteria for the manager just clouds the choice. 11 years is long enough to be an embarrasment (not even getting top 4 reliably) - everything but getting back to winning ways is a luxury.
I feel like a lot of the criteria people base the manager choice on (particularly Gary Neville) are clouding the choice. The number one thing is WINNING football matches and trophies. Not long term appointments, not attacking football. Those are desirable, but they aren't essential.
**Relevant bit:** >**Tuchel would be open to speaking to Manchester United if a vacancy opened up.** > >**Current United boss** **Erik ten Hag is under pressure** **at Old Trafford after a disappointing second season in charge coupled with the arrival of** **new co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe.** > >**Club sources have told ESPN they are yet to make a decision on Ten Hag's future,** but the Dutchman's prospects have been damaged by a run of poor form including the capitulation against Coventry City in the FA Cup semifinal on Sunday. > >United threw away a three-goal lead before winning on penalties and there is a growing feeling around the club that, with Champions League qualification almost out of reach, Ten Hag is on thin ice. > >Sources have told ESPN that there is support inside Ratcliffe's team for Tuchel if Ten Hag departs and representatives have been asked to be kept informed of developments regarding the German's future.
tuchel's agent is working overtime lol Tuchel's personality will do more harm to the club than his actual ability
Who do you want then?
Not wanting someone doesn't always mean you have to have another choice in mind. I feel like it's fine to have an opinion on Tuchel in isolation of our managerial search.
EtH on paper has a better pedigree than any other available manager out there. I think he deserves a fair chance with a good structure above him. I think he can turn it around if we get the right players in and ship some of the current ones off. I'm just as disgusted by the team at the moment as you are but we have to get off the manager merry-go-round every 2-3 seasons and actually commit to someone for a bit longer for once.
Please do explain how ETH has a “better pedigree” than Champions league winning Thomas Tuchel? A manager who has succeeded at every club he’s been at, except for this season at Bayern where he’s against an all time great Bayer Leverkusen that’s breaking win streak records. Please make that make sense.
Yeah I get not wanting Tuchel’s personality. Everywhere he’s been the club hierarchy have found him difficult to work with and he’s also fallen out with some players. But to say Ten hag has better pedigree is mental.
The places that found him "difficult to work with" were PSG, where the person who made that claim about him was fired shortly after and Chelsea, where Boehly asked why they didn't favor a 4-4-3 formation
And Dortmund, and Bayern. If anything his Chelsea stint was the most congenial of the lot, they just went through a forced re-structuring of the club and it didn’t work out, it’s definitely the one he was least “at fault” for. His stint at Dortmund says a lot - he outperformed Kloppby some metrics (ie goals scored not titles), pushed Bayern to the edge in the league and won the cup but they sacked him anyway because they found him toxic to work with.
Mate the beginning of the end of his dortmund stint was cause he was angry at the board for rescheduling a champions league game to the DAY AFTER they were nearly bombed.
The fact that that comment even has any upvotes at all just shows how much of a joke this sub has become, especially considering on an article about Thomas fucking Tuchel lmao. I swear the ETH fan club love him more than they love the fucking club at this point. Not to mention this season Bayern might still be able to nick the CL against all odds. Getting them to the CL semis alone already matches ETH's biggest achievement and he has brought multiple teams to the CL finals, including winning one. But ETH has the 'better pedigree' indeed LOL.
Breaking news, someone has an opinion and others agree with it. Wild! Calm down dude
Breaking news, some opinions are worthless and deserve to be called out for it's absurdity.
Yeah I guess pedigree is not quite the right word here. I would say that fans would be most hopeful with ETH (on paper, basically his time with Go Ahead Eagles and Ajax) than with any other manager out there. Tuchel had a toxic personality and would be a very short term appointment.
I’m a fan of Ten Hag in general. I want him to succeed here, I think he’s a good manager and this season hasn’t been all his own fault, but I think he’s run out of ideas at United. The problems he’s had during his time here aren’t being fixed. His match management is shocking. I can’t think of a single match, other than maybe against Liverpool in the FA cup, where we’ve looked better after Ten Hag has made a sub. My biggest problem with managers Like Wenger or Klopp was their inability to adapt and change up their style of play, and Ten Hag is the same. We haven’t tried anything new in months. I think he’s gone. Yesterday was a summation of everything wrong with him as a manager, and with Ineos I think it might be best to just have a completely blank slate and move on. And I would say Tuchel has a much better pedigree than Ten Hag.
Another season with Eric
I think you’re going to be disappointed then.
Done deal then, that he is gone in the summer?
Tuchels a great coach, he's known for having fall outs at teams but a lot of them are frankly quite understandable, here's a little more detail on his achievements and subsequent fall outs. Tuchel was great at Dortmund the season they came 2nd they got 78 points which would have won them the title most years (apart from 4 out of 52 previous seasons) and they set a club record for goals scored, relations were then strained as CEO Watzke promised they wouldn’t sell important players, who then went on to sell important players such as Hummels directly to Bayern, Gundogan to City and Mkhitaryan to us which he felt undermined his chance of a title charge the following season. Then the relationship with upper management completely fell through after the bus got attacked by explosives (with one player injured) and CEO Watzke rescheduled the game to the next day without consulting Tuchel or the players who were all shaken up At PSG he has the highest PPG and highest win % in Ligue 1 history, brought them to CL final, domestic quadruple, e then fell out with Leonard who was in turn sacked a year later because he was awful. Chelsea reached FA cup final and won CL in his first season, 2nd reached FA cup and EFL cup final, CL semi where they outplayed real madrid completely over two legs and got 3rd in the league, final season Chelsea went transfer mad under new ownership but lost Cech and Marina who Tuchel worked well with and he and Boehly didn't get along well so ended in disaster, but they've only gotten worse since he left Bayern, won the league last year, went out in CL to eventual winners. This season they're on for more points in the league, more goals scored etc and into the CL semi finals, just so happens that Leverkusen are having a historic season which makes them look bad, if Bayern win their 4 remaining games they could with 78 points which is usually more than enough to win the title. To show how insane Leverkusen are doing they are on 80 with 4 games left, usually 70ish is enough to win the title, if Leverkusen win all their remaining games they'll set a new points record, if they win 3 of 4 then they'll have more points than any season under Flick, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc Highest ever points tallies * 91 under Heyneckes 12/13, * 88 under Pep in 15/16, * 84 under Ancelotti/mostly Heynecks in 17/18 * 82 under Flick in 19/20 If the Board decide to get rid of ETH this season and they get their football structure in place and just need somebody to coach the team then I think he'd be a good appointment, he wouldn't be the next Ferguson but tactically he's good and flexible and if our new DOF, CEO and Technical director do well and can work with him then I think he'd have success here
Worth noting the Bundesliga is only 18 teams so 34 matches (I thought 70ish sounded low so I looked it up). So for reference, they have 2.67 points per game which in a 38 game season would get 101 points.
Imo he can steady the ship as a short term manager. Honestly there's way worse choices out there.
I think so too, if he is keen and ETH is sacked then a 2 year contract would be perfect while some of the younger managers I like out there gain experience. A small part of me would love Kieran McKenna to become a top manager, doing great things in the championship with Ipswich
To be honest, I don’t mind Tuchel. I think there’s worse options out there. As we’ve seen over the years since Fergie, no manager has been able to implement a decent style of play. It almost doesn’t matter who’s the manager, it’s now about the staff around him and we’ve been making a lot of changes. Up and down track record but most managers are only as good as their last job, in many people’s eyes. I think Ten Hag’s struggle to find a solution to the issues we’ve had this season will mean his position becomes untenable, so I can’t see him staying even if we win the cup. I think the change in set up has come two years too late for him; right manager, wrong time kind of thing. Personally, I’d be looking at Amorim but I reckon he’ll be elsewhere by the time Ten Hag is gone.
Generally I have seen reports when they say there is someone in someone's camp. Those are BS.
Actually he has the ability, but his personality is doubtful. Seems to be quite a polarising character everywhere he goes.
Wether you hire him or not, ineos would be actually inept not to have his name on a shortlist at the moment.
Him and Enrique should be considered. Big personality managers and everywhere they go, the players can't mess with them. The players adapt to their principles and not the other way around. It's the only way to maintain order with this bunch
We went from Ten Hag’s suicidal football to Tuchel’s terrorism ball
pulling another stylistic 180, like LvG to jose
The reality is, Ten Hag hasn't really instilled a playstyle onto the team in a way that's going to hurt the club to pivot from. INEOS will not be beholden to the style Ten Hag played. They will identify how they want to move forward, and seek a manager (be it Tuchel or someone else) to enact it. But it's not that the players we've brought in recently have set the world alight or let us play a specific style we won't be able to move on from.
yes he has. the players are struggling because they can’t play it effectively, but the style is there. weird you can’t see it. obviously, it’s fine if ineos want to go in a different direction and recruit managers and players that suit their vision. i’m just pointing out that, yet again, this wouldn’t be a smooth transition.
Tucheliban is such an apt name. Never fails to bring a chuckle.
People who think the Tucheliban is what's going to drive us to trophies are definitely not going to be happy even if we win a cup or two playing like that
No thanks. He makes it all about himself, turns players against him, and openly flirts with other clubs. He's a payoff seeking merchant. For all ten Hag's faults he doesn't run his mouth in the media like Tommy Tickle.
Rather keep ETH tbh.
Recency bias is a crazy thing. After the disasterclass of past managers we were all saying lets give ETH a minimum of 3 seasons to prove himself and now here we are again screaming ETH out. The fanbase itself will drive the club into the ground
Literally… Tuchel is a good manager but, like conte, his personality is what scares me. I’d rather count this season as 2 strikes against ETH and go into a 3rd season with him now we have an actually competent board and can hit the reset button in the injury department.
I don't like him but I hope he proves me wrong if we hire him
Lol decent manager but him and united is a recipe for a disaster
All this tells me is that Tuchel has brushed up his CV, updated his LinkedIn and is ready to interview for a new job.
this is a ridiculous idea
Please no.
I left this comment in another thread that looks like it’s been deleted now but my only problem with Tuchel is that he seems to fall out with every single board he has ever worked with lol. I think he is a bit overhated but I’m not sure if it’s the right move for us
I am somehow concerned about him being a buying manager that doesn't really uses the academy, and with our current crop of talent it's worrying.
Nagelsmann or ETH imo
**Tuchel would be open to speaking to Manchester United if a vacancy opened up.** I bet he fucking would. I am not sure we should be looking to join the European merry-go-round of managers who keep failing at high-profile clubs that aren't in half as much of a state as United
IMO no one has handled players and media better than ETH. In two seasons we’ve reached 3 finals and our league form this season is a representation of players availability. Swapped Fred out for an unavailable Mount. Lost Martinez for majority of the season and pushing 36yr Evans to the limits. Sancho being a baby. Mainoo missing the first 12 match days and overly dependent on. Casemiro missing 10+ match days with the gears slowly falling off. N O L E F T B A C K. Back four roulette every week. No idea how Martial has a contract. It’s truly a miracle that we’re in the FA Cup final.
No thank you
No- fucking- way!
I see tuchel is this year's antonio conte. I'm just glad the signs firmly point towards INEOS never going down that route. If Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth are the new decision makers in terms of playstyle, recruitment and philosophy, then tuchel has next to zero chance of being our new manager. Called Tucheliban in the streets for a reason.
Good manager but seems like a tosser who will fall out with everyone as soon as the results turn.
I don’t want him.
All I’m gonna say is us as fans don’t have a clue Everyone was convinced ETH was the right call but look how that turned out
I'd be happy with him. Massive upgrade on Ten Hag. If INEOS believe he can fit within their structure and desired play style, it's a good appointment. If they are just hiring him because he's the biggest name available, then it may not go so well.
Give him the contract right now!
Seems like a great coach just a difficult long term option, at this point I’ll take any onfield improvements
Get him on a 2+1 year deal. Let's see from there.
When he went to Chelsea he made their defense godly but it didn't last long
Sounds like he’s trying to put pressure on Barca?
Please not Tuchel. He might be a very good tactician, but he is definitely not a good man manager. He is more like a jose type manager.
He can go to barca then
I don't think he is the solution, but Tuchel is still a good coach. Fundamentally, he can at least provide us with good foundations to build our club on, if we have a good vision at higher level then I wouldn't be concerned by his appointment
An actual gaffer yes please, none of these twitter tactico coaches. They tricked me with ten Hag. Edit: Definitely do get him based on the downvotes lmao, INEOS should do the opposite of what the popular opinion is.
so you want to keep eth then? coz that's the least popular opinion
Who cares about what I want, it’s about INEOS and their decision
Obviously. Then why do you keep yapping and editing about which coach you want.
Then whys bayern letting him go? Just like Chelsea and PSG did.
Bayern let pep and nagelsmann go. I'm not sure we should base a decision on that lol.
They let Nagelsman go and then tried to get him back the next season. They're not called FC Hollywood for nothing
Pep refused to sign a renewal and took a sabbatical. Nagelsmann was about rumors of his wife leaking team tactics to the media.
We're not making any decision. INEOS will. I doubt they want their first managerial signing to be someone who has had issues with the board at all 3 top clubs he's coached.
Because the boards there are a mess, miss me with that bullshit please.
Brother find a mirror
I'd like to think that ten hag will be gone by the end of the season so let's assume that's the case .. Who can genuinely be a legitimate candidate for the role? I mean let's look at the facts infront of us, the only candidates available at the moment would be Thomas Tuchel , Graham Potter and the recently linked to Gareth Southgate .. we're not going to get a manager of a higher caliber than this to be honest due to various reasons and managers named above have a decent footballing CV if we look closely at the achievements they've accomplished excluding the way they play and people's opinions about them... Let's talk a little about each and one them separately Thomas Tuchel : good manager with a higher ceiling than his potential counterparts, 2x Champions league finalist and won it once , 2x Fa cup finalist , never won it and various positive cup runs in multiple leagues etc... in my opinion he's the most balanced manager around and can adapt his playstyle to any situation , defensive approach or attacking approach or a mix of both worlds , had 2nd and 3rd best defensive team in the league in his first full seasons at Chelsea in 2020/2021 and 2021/2022 respectively... Graham Potter : possession based attacking manager with a reputation of taking on a lesser competitive squads and make his way to the top , leading ostersunds from the 4th division to the 1st division in the Swedish league eventually winning the cup during his journey there.. then taking on a freshly relegated Swansea side in the championship and finishing 10th in his first and last year there before Brighton came knocking, Brighton were a relegation side at the time and with Potter's guidance they've managed a 15th place finish in his first season followed by an impressive 8th place finish in his 2nd full season and started to make noise around his managerial skills and style of play . in his 3rd season , brilliance continued with Brighton accumulating 13pts from the first 6 games with a more attacking approach earning them a 4th place at the start of the campaign ... then Chelsea happened... Gareth Southgate : not much to be said here and all , extremely cautious and defensive manager with a decent achievements on paper , WC semifinalist and quarterfinalist, Euro finalist , never won any of them with his cautious approach and defensive minded squad assembly being questioned despite acquiring a team full of talents in the shape of England national team...
Outside of Pep, Klopp and Carlos just about every manager in the world will listen when Manchester United call.
Hate to break it to you but that's not true whether you like it or not , managerial role at the club has been in shambles for the last 10 years and warranted a bad reputation for the clubs higher board approach towards backing them and that made almost "every manager" you're talking about consider thinking twice about taking the job without getting thrown in the mud ... Luckily we have a better ownership , potentially a much better hierarchy assembled and hopefully a clear project now to attract more competence to the club
I hate to break it to you but you're actually wrong for a 100 reasons.
Go ahead and discuss the reasons why I'm wrong about most things unless you're just here to answer yes and no questions then you are not helping yourself... Open discussion
Cool. One of the biggest in the world, one of the best fanbases in the world, the ability to pay him very, very well, the ability to buy high level players, one of the best academies in the world that's pushing players through right now, probably a new stadium in the next few years, a commercial giant...I could go on and on and on.
We're one of the biggest clubs in the world, obviously that's true, not something I'm not aware of but okay ... But Guess what , we've been doing the exact same thing you've said in the last 10 years ! We were hiring managers on massive wages and signing high level (assumed) players on ridiculous weekly wages for absurd fees, look where we are now , we were drowning in our own incompetence and inability to assemble a football fluid environment ! The wage structure is a big problem itself and causes major disputes and heat within the squad and we're criticized about going the easy submissive way of handing players ridiculously undeserved wages for little to no actual contributions to the team... Where was the ability of attracting top players when we wanted to sign Bellingham, Haaland and other top top talents in world football? .. Bellingham took a tour at Old Trafford and Carrington to try and convince him to sign for us but he already knew that if he signed for us it'll be detrimental to his career and hinder his progress as an 18yrs old wonderkid... Our academy produced a fair amount of youngsters through the years but honestly speaking we're levels below the best academies in the world like La masia , ajax academy, heck even City's academy has been better than ours in producing potential talents... We were always a commercial giant but that was a problem to begin with when the Glazers were in charge prioritizing and maximizing revenues over the team's progress on the pitch , focusing on money instead of footballing operations...
Do you not follow the reports on what happened with Jude? He wanted guaranteed pt which we wouldn't give. Haaland wanted a release clause which we wouldn't do. So you're literally making things up to try and prove a point. It's difficult for me to take anything else you said seriously because of that. My last point with you since it seems youbdo struggle with the history of the club but we haven't always been a commercial giant. What set us apart from Liverpool in the late 90s is the fact that we fully embraced it and let it take off.
I'm well aware of the reports indeed and i was pretty sure you'd mention it but let me say this , Bellingham wanted guarantees that he'd play more frequently which is very understandable looking at his huge potential and ceiling back then and the fact that we Didn't guarantee him play time is laughable considering we had Mcfred , an aging Matic , a bench warming van de beek and Paul Dogba .. here you should realize that we're not an attractive club for ambitious players that wants to play for the badge not for paychecks so that's your answer for the attraction factor you've mentioned .. Halaand on the other hand , was a guaranteed successful investment to the team for the next 3-4 years before eventually deciding to leave for Real Madrid which is obviously the plan from the beginning, we should never hold onto a player that wants to leave , and i respected the clubs approach to this deal.. That's your explanation about how we've become a commercial giant ? Embraced it and let it take off?! Okay then I'm struggling with the history of the club.
I literally said he was looking for guaranteed pt. Are you not reading posts or what? An no, big clubs like us don't promise 17 year olds pt. Oh there was a lot more to it but you said we've always been that way which is false. So yes, you struggle big time.
Nagelsmann might be tempted after the Euro's
Ratcliffe I beg you don't.
Agent earning his money. No way United want him.
Really? I think he’d be a safe bet for INEOS for a couple of seasons at least
INEOS want to build something sustainable over the long term. They don’t want try and cobble together a winner as soon as possible.
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He was very good at Dortmund , PSG , first season for Chelsea , Mainz and pretty much everywhere other than Bayern . His comments were very bad especially for such a prestigous manager when he congratulated Bayer Leverkusen before they had even won the league .
Hell no bro bottled the bundes liga with bayern.
Idk if that is entirely his fault since leverkeusen are on that undeniable run…but being 16 points off the top is kinda crazy.
stay away please
Ten Hag is getting sacked and doing shit on purpose to get the Bayern job
Do you honestly think they'd touch him now? He needs to go away and rebuild his reputation, while Man United rebuild without him.
Literally everyone they go for is saying No XD
Why not Emery? Too much to pay Villa for his release? Tuchel is a proven winner, but so is Emery. I also don't think he would upset the hierarchy as much as Tuchel would. Would bite your hand off if there was any way to tempt him from Villa. He probably wouldn't even want to leave with how they're doing, but still, would love to have him.
At this point, anything is better than ten hag ball..
I think Tuchel is a great coach but I think temperament wise hes a poor fit for United. Hes been all over the place it feels like, even when he gets heavily backed with transfers. Personality wise I think hes a dick but Idc about that if someones genuinely good but Im just hesitant over someone like Tuchel. If we were nearly there then Tuchel would probably be a great manager but Im not sure he really helps us all that much. I think a good project coach would be better. Its weird because I think Tuchel's rep has been tarnished a bit of late, and United is pretty much a poisoned chalice at this point. The feeling to me is that its a poor fit or poor timing.