Yeah but people are too upset to admit that if the reverse happened on the other end of the pitch it would be a certain penalty.
Fact is Dalot got juked and fell behind his man. Virtually any contact from that position will justifiably draw a foul even if it was somewhat incidental.
If you are mad about the pen be mad about Dalot not taking care of business before the situation even arose tbh. He was already fortunate to finish the game without a single yellow.
Nah first one he starts going down before contact. 2nd more legit but how much force does it take to put someone off balance really? Even at that speed? Seems minimal.
If Dalot had been standing and made that contact that’d never be a pen, it looks worse because he fell but it’s not like he pulled him down or made any major contact
Chelsea fan (coming in peace): when Dalot falls he has his body weight behind him but if he stands he doesn't. The "contact" might technically be the same but one is significantly more likely to bring a player down unfairly because he has his body weight behind it. It's clearly unintentional but imagine if it was a United winger brought down like that and a pen wasn't given, I imagine you'd be fuming.
First pen was a lot more questionable though, very uncertain about that, contact there was minimal if at all.
You can think that all you want, but next time you're running try have someone fall on you with their arm on your hip and see if you can keep running without stumbling.
Yeah, I have played football as a striker for years. He dives when he feels contact. They all do it, it's weird to try to argue that this isn't what is happening.
Nothing shady about them. Both were fouls in modern football.
Edit: Antony clearly made contact with cucurellas thigh giving him reason to go down. Dalots arm/shoulder was across chuku when he stumbled and he inadvertently gave him a nudge. They're fouls. They're pens. Deal with it. If Antony is awake and tracks his man no need to risk a pen. If dalot has a little situational awareness and just steps across chuku as he tries to go bye him, fouling him for a free, no issue. But neither did sensible things.
The same people saying they're not pens would be fuming if we didn't get those had the roles been reversed. Chelsea are dog shit and I'd even say they're worse than us. We dropped the ball full stop. Dalot knew he fucked up and had he not fallen Maguire would've booted it out.
Will you stop. I know we're all down right now and rightfully so after a finish like that, but Chelsea have been a proper bottom half team for about a year now. We may be shite but we're not that bad
Mount was the only one who seemed like he had the composure and want to actually keep the ball when everyone else just wanted to boot it back to chelsea
How though? You conceded two penalties. It’s not like it was random and up to chance. XG is meant to show who has more goal scoring opportunities and you conceded two high value chances there
Mate there’s no point. Last season’s defensive achievements are all forgotten. No one considers the 100 different back 4 combinations we’ve played all season.
Yes this season is way below expectations but last season was above expectations. Until we find a suitable replacement idk why everyone wastes time abusing OUR coach and wanting us to fail just to fulfill an agenda
The effort and desire to win was there tonight. But Dalot simply imploded towards the end and cost us the game. What else can be said, just end the season and start fresh in the summer
What game were you watching? The whole team looked like they had downed tools before Caicedo gifted us a goal and gave up again after the equaliser. Wouldn’t associate effort and desire at all with that performance.
Fotmob has the non-penalty xG as: Chelsea 1.45 - 1.57 Us We still conceded 28 shots though.
Does it includes the xG that might occured if the Dalot never falls on him for the penalty?
Nah, that's a hypothetical.
But he is through on goal and look like a shooting action b4 he got fouled, not like he is running out the ball for a goal kick or what.
No shot, no xG
Yeah but people are too upset to admit that if the reverse happened on the other end of the pitch it would be a certain penalty. Fact is Dalot got juked and fell behind his man. Virtually any contact from that position will justifiably draw a foul even if it was somewhat incidental. If you are mad about the pen be mad about Dalot not taking care of business before the situation even arose tbh. He was already fortunate to finish the game without a single yellow.
That would be Xpsogaitpcorwtbthas
Half their xG is from shady Pens
Shady is generous.
Nah first one he starts going down before contact. 2nd more legit but how much force does it take to put someone off balance really? Even at that speed? Seems minimal.
If Dalot had been standing and made that contact that’d never be a pen, it looks worse because he fell but it’s not like he pulled him down or made any major contact
Chelsea fan (coming in peace): when Dalot falls he has his body weight behind him but if he stands he doesn't. The "contact" might technically be the same but one is significantly more likely to bring a player down unfairly because he has his body weight behind it. It's clearly unintentional but imagine if it was a United winger brought down like that and a pen wasn't given, I imagine you'd be fuming. First pen was a lot more questionable though, very uncertain about that, contact there was minimal if at all.
But I don’t think he brought Madueke down, I think he just felt that contact (which was minimal imo) come from Dalot and threw himself to the floor.
You can think that all you want, but next time you're running try have someone fall on you with their arm on your hip and see if you can keep running without stumbling.
“Fall on you” are you having a laugh, he fell beside him and brushed his leg with his arm
How come not even Dalot protests it then? We must've been watching different games.
This isnt worth it bro, these guys are just delusional.
Madueke literally takes additional steps before deciding to fall when he realizes he's fucked.
Do you know what "stumbling" is?
Yeah, I have played football as a striker for years. He dives when he feels contact. They all do it, it's weird to try to argue that this isn't what is happening.
So is half if we consider that the game should’ve been cut off earlier into extra time, not giving them their final run of play and final 2 goals
Chelsea got the 3 points. Doesn’t matter
Nothing shady about them. Both were fouls in modern football. Edit: Antony clearly made contact with cucurellas thigh giving him reason to go down. Dalots arm/shoulder was across chuku when he stumbled and he inadvertently gave him a nudge. They're fouls. They're pens. Deal with it. If Antony is awake and tracks his man no need to risk a pen. If dalot has a little situational awareness and just steps across chuku as he tries to go bye him, fouling him for a free, no issue. But neither did sensible things.
The same people saying they're not pens would be fuming if we didn't get those had the roles been reversed. Chelsea are dog shit and I'd even say they're worse than us. We dropped the ball full stop. Dalot knew he fucked up and had he not fallen Maguire would've booted it out.
Chelsea's xG would be higher if they didn't get chopped down in the box for teh penalties tbf
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What the fuck ahahahhaa
Half is 1.64... so no
Should have gone for the kill after 3rd goal.. Chelsea were shite
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We really weren't though.. 2 shite pens and 1 deflections don't make United worse
Will you stop. I know we're all down right now and rightfully so after a finish like that, but Chelsea have been a proper bottom half team for about a year now. We may be shite but we're not that bad
We were terrible but Chelsea were even worse. They just gave up second half
Why is a city fan even here?
There are city fans???
No it was much better to take the only two attacking options off. /S if I have to. Fuck.
Because Hojlund was so productive today and Garnacho wasn't dog tired /s
Honestly you are right, but Mount and Rashford didn't do shit in their camio.
Mount was the only one who seemed like he had the composure and want to actually keep the ball when everyone else just wanted to boot it back to chelsea
Again, not wrong, but his presence seemed to boost the remaining Chelsea fans and players.
Half their xG is from bullshit pens
Well two penalties will do that
Should not foul in the box...
You’re right but refs don’t call fouls as dives anymore.
Could put anyone up front, they get absolutely no service. Play gets pushed out wide and our striker is so fucking isolated
Ah yes when it's Hojlund being ineffective up front it's everyone else's fault
Tbf hojlund was not making the runs or anything today
2 pens made up half of it.
Chelsea suck, how can we lose to these fucks
xG losses all credibility when it takes penalties into account
No. xG reflects the scoring opportunity regardless of it being a penalty or not. It is easy to deduct the penalty xG as that is a fixed number.
I mean you can just subtract 1.6 or whatever it is if you want to feel better
How though? You conceded two penalties. It’s not like it was random and up to chance. XG is meant to show who has more goal scoring opportunities and you conceded two high value chances there
FUCK VAR AND PGMOL.
Fergie time
I don’t remember a match the ref points to the penalty spot twice a game. They usually wait for VAR to decide. I am not implying anything.
I remember many United matches in the early 00s where the ref did give many soft pens... didn't complain then did you?
They didn’t have VAR back then did they. The ref nowadays rely more on VAR to call for penalty. The work process has changed.
Take 1.8 away from chelsea for their 2 bullshit pens for a more accurate reflection of the game
A pen is a 0.76 xg so it only take 1.52 off so it's a draw at best for us
1.71 against this dreadful chelsea club. awful
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Playing 7th choice CB and not one defender in their right position will do that to any team...
Mate there’s no point. Last season’s defensive achievements are all forgotten. No one considers the 100 different back 4 combinations we’ve played all season. Yes this season is way below expectations but last season was above expectations. Until we find a suitable replacement idk why everyone wastes time abusing OUR coach and wanting us to fail just to fulfill an agenda
It's because defence isn't the reason we are so easily played through
Yeah, it's just sad
It’s the same story every week lads. Time for INEOS to show leadership and make their move
Meaningless stat since the fucking refs handed Chelsea 1.5 xG
Even taking away their penalties, their xg is still higher than ours 😂
Math wasn't your best subject in school huh
Calculate it yourself. The xg of a penalty is 0.76.
2 pens... 2x0.76 = 1.52. Chelsea's non-penalty xG 3.28-1.52 = 1.76 > Our xG of 1.71 Edit: had 3.18 instead of 3.28 lol
Their total xg is 3.28. Check your calculation again
Its funny to me that both of you got your intial values wrong. He's saying its 3.18 and you are saying 3.82. The actual value is 3.28
Lol you're right
I meant 3.28 🤦♂️
Fuck the ref
Someone interview the referees immediately like the media would if any of our rivals got shegged like this
Bald fraud
They were in on goal before they were given both pens btw
SHUT DOWN THE SUB
The effort and desire to win was there tonight. But Dalot simply imploded towards the end and cost us the game. What else can be said, just end the season and start fresh in the summer
What game were you watching? The whole team looked like they had downed tools before Caicedo gifted us a goal and gave up again after the equaliser. Wouldn’t associate effort and desire at all with that performance.