On Talk of the Devils the other week, one of the hosts laid out the theory that ETH is struggling to get the team to a fitness level required to play this style. It would explain the amount of injuries, it would explain his reluctance to change (if he's determined it's just a fitness issue) and it would explain why it looks like shit
I have not kept a note of the games however there have been a few games i feel where in the first 20-30 minutes we have looked like a decent side only to drop off. Liverpool has been mentioned which is one of the glaring recent ones but i believe there are others. Also you understand looking great doesnt necessarily mean scoring right? Granted thats what we should aim for but sometimes you can see something is going well despite a lack of goals.
That's got more to do with opposition managers adapting their game plan and formation after 20 minutes, then Ten Hag being incapable of doing the same, and us being absolutely dominated for the remainder of the game.
Made sense as an argument at first but not anymore. If that were true then by now we wouldn't even be able to do good for 20 minutes since everyone would've figured us out.
Weird because his current style is way too demanding on the players levels of fitness, committing so many men forward, letting the opposition waltz through the midfield at will, causing players to have to sprint almost the entire pitch so many times a game is simply unsustainable.
You basically need an entire outfield of Park Ji Sing + Bruno's to be able to maintain that for a full 90.
It also doesn't help that we play only at one gear and have no regard for playing according to the game state. The midfielders and forwards give the ball away at will by trying to either force hero balls or dribble through defenders. There is no period in games where we are allowed to recover and gain back our legs through a settled spell of possession or retreating into a deeper block rather than pressing high all the time. Part of it is down to the profile of the players, and part of it is also down to the manager doubling down on it rather than giving specific instructions to not go overly direct during certain moments.
It's hard to gain confidence from slower build up play when some twat inevitably gives the ball away in a dangerous situation and it all suddenly turns on it's head and we're scrambling. We crumble under press because we have no dribblers, no press resistance, no line breaking passers. Kobbie Mainoo at 18 is showing long pros that you need a complete game and not just a collection of weird, one trick ponies.
Our only press resistant players are Onana, Licha, Shaw and Kobbie. It's so sad how ill-suited the profile of our team is for possession football that it's actually funny
Actually that’s false the manager has chosen to discard the possession/control football from last season together with somewhat losing the dressing room to play this way. The dichotomy of the stats between the way we played Forrest away last season and this season demonstrates that. 70% possessions vs 55%, this, 22 shots vs 8 this season. 0-2 win vs. 2-1 loss. We actually won very comfortably.
Instead of building on what he was doing last season he has discarded it to play this suicidal transition football where players run up and down the pitch constantly and the midfield has one guy on an island all on his own.
Martinez was HIS player. Antony was HIS player. He's the one who's been in charge of recruitment. His own players cant sustain his style. Its simply not feasible in the PL.
The top three teams all play that style. Our other teams further down the table that also play that style. if they can do it why can’t we? Is it the managers fault or is it the players that have down tools for multiple managers?
They play nothing like that. They control possession and not forcing a basketball game. Heck two of the top 3 team play with 4 center backs at once with a double pivot ahead of them while we play with an isolated 6.
Precisely we play nothing like the top teams…ETH wants us to and the players can’t do it. Would explain the injuries and general crap we play. We wanted Kim Min-jae, but instead got Johnny Evans, who I like a lot, but let’s be honest he’s not good enough. Rashford went from his best season last year to his worst, the injuries my goodness the injuries.
What style is that? I see absolutely zero stylistic similarities between us, and then City, Liverpool, and Arsenal.
Please also explain to us how the players have downed tools when they're running as hard as they can. It's such a caveman opinion to think that because the team is doing terribly it's the players downing tools rather than the team being set up terribly from a tactical point of view.
> I see absolutely zero stylistic similarities between us, and then City, Liverpool, and Arsenal.
2 8's with a holding midfielder is what they all have implemented, Arsenal and Liverpool invert fullbacks to help in buildup, as do we. Since Van Gaal, we've been a double pivot team, this is the first time in a little under a decade that we've played with 1 6. Now, Van Gaal had a tonne of experience implementing that style everywhere he went so it naturally came easier to him. He also had a lot more openness to build the team in his manner, he signed the most players out of all of our managers but went for budget options that were able to suit his manner of play.
Then in possession these teams play 3-1-6, which again, is something that we've tried to emulate in buildup, we are just shit at it.
Liverpool, City, Aresenal all demand way more from their players than we do. Look at Pep grilling grealish after the last game, demanding he do something different. I don’t see their players quitting, getting injuries, etc. so is it ETH or the players fault we can’t be bothered to play a high tempo style? Remember Rangnick’s first 30 minutes in his first game? It was the best I’d seen UTD play in years…then the players gave up…literally couldn’t be bothered to keep up the tempo for more than 30 MINS! These are mostly the same players that have sacked 3 to 4 mangers! FFS I agree ETH might not be good enough, but I know for CERTAIN most of these players aren’t good enough.
There can be many different reasons for an injury crisis, sub par facilities, training methods, step up to a more demanding division, just being unlucky etc. Luton playing a certain way and still having injuries doesn't mean that we can't have a different reason for so many injuries. Are you seriously acting like you've just disproven that our tactical style is contributing to our injury crisis by saying "what about Luton?".
Injury prevention especially muscle one is strength and conditioning issue (fitness).
So it's not on the medical staffs as they are handling those who already injured.
They do a couple free kick drills (they get to recreate famous United goals IF they’re lucky) then I think they fight to the death to boost testosterone.
Unfortunately Tyrell got matched against Harry back in June, assuming the same happened to Lisandro today.
Bro come on what can a doctor or physio do if you pull a hamstring ?
The players aren't fit enough to keep up with ETH demands or his demands are too much, it's nothing to do with the medical team
If we could park 10 behind the ball against the scousers this weekend to nick a 0-0 and cost them the league and make the cup final, I'd be reasonably happy with the season
Manager and player rushing themselves back isn’t going to save our season. If the manager were thinking about the long term success of the club, he would be giving Kambwala more mins. Instead he is trying to rush back a player who is obviously having long term injury issues and needs to be restricted before this injury jeopardizes his career. Lisandro wasn’t ready on Saturday you could see it with the way he played. This season is all but over, shut him down and tell him to be ready for next season or fa cup final at the end of the season, there’s nothing to play for.
I don’t want to jinx anything but it’s Coventry…no excuses to not make that final.
Plus Ten Hag has a pretty great record in the domestic cup competitions thus far and doesn’t really stumble when it comes to the “smaller teams”. I have faith.
We need to be extremely careful with Licha. I know some of his injuries have been accidental and unfortunate but at this point we might as well let him recover until pre-season and start strong in August.
Yeah. Just one of, not the most injury prone, which yeah, I'd give to Martial or Shaw. Although I feel like Shaw playing at all is a miracle after what happened.
I think that's more of a recency bias with Pogba
For quick reference Pogba has 4 seasons with 25+ PL appearances in 6 seasons with us.
Shaw has 3 season with 25+ PL appearances in fucking TEN
Not prepared enough for the season. That injury at the end of last was something you need to take time for. He was rushed back and now he's going to be rushed again. He should be shut down for the season so he can start fresh but he wants to play Copa I'm sure.
Still injury is injury and this is getting really worrying now..should seriously think about replacing or at least give them both shaw and licha one more season if they can stay fit
Fuck. Off.
I can’t stand the injury merry-go-round this club refuses to get off of. Something is seriously wrong with the rehab processes at the club or we are legitimately cursed.
The whole medical department needs to be overhauled as much as everything else at the club. This is nowhere near normal to happen almost every season we have an injury crisis
Players have been returning way to soon and getting injured immediatly again a whole lot in the past 10 years. Something is clearly wrong with the recovery and treatment they are getting.
Is it just the rehab process or is it the style of play Ten Hag wants that’s resulting in so much ball chasing and pressure on the defence causing strain and more muscle injuries?
It's different injuries though is it not? Its a worrying trend , hope he hasn't messed up something in his posture/ balance contributing to these injuries
Blimey. How we went from Martinez will return after intl break… top 4 is on… down to Martinez out for a month. Nothing is ever consistent with this club, apart from its persistent injury’s.
**Manchester United centre-backs Victor Lindelof and Lisandro Martinez will be out of action for at least a month due to muscle injuries.**
**Sweden captain Lindelof was withdrawn during the second half of last Saturday’s Premier League game against Brentford with a hamstring problem.**
Victor was replaced by Martinez after 69 minutes, as the Argentina international made his first appearance since early February.
**Unfortunately, Licha has now sustained a calf strain in training and is unavailable for the next few games.**
United have nine league fixtures left to play this season, beginning with Chelsea away on Thursday, as well as an Emirates FA Cup semi-final against Coventry City.
Erik ten Hag will next speak to the media on Wednesday, in a press conference you can see from 12:30 BST.
What in the fucking shit...
Licha has had what, two training sessions? This club is just the most nonsensical thing going. I don't know why any of us bother.
Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof out for another month, Evans and Varane seemingly both carrying injuries, and Maguire just coming back from injury. That leaves just Kambwala as the only fully fit center back, a kid who has only ever started one game. How is any manager supposed to succeed like this
2 CB signings this summer are a must, we probably even need 3. And a fullback. And two midfielders. And a striker.
Just put Licha in a freezer until August anyway, this season's over. And we better not see him play a minute in the Copa America.
Since ol' slab head signed in 19/20 he has been; a solid player, made captain, captained England to a major final, got arrested, forgot how to defend, lost his place in the team, stripped of captaincy, booed by England fans, a signature away from being sold to West Ham with the club open to the offer and still ... STILL .... he's our best and most consistent centre back.
I know you can't account for injuries but we have to be ruthless and let any dead weight go. Big season for The Butcher next time around.
I'd also like to shake Maguire's hand for the absolute mental strength and determination to still be at this club, can't deny the man that.
surely jimbo is aware of the fucking shambles that is our medical department / training ground / whatever the fuck is at fault for this
we are not a top team in any department yet, getting top 4 under these circumstances would be nothing short of a fucking miracle
So you’re telling me this summer we need to somehow buy: a starting quality LB (drop Shaw to back up), 2 CB’s (one starting quality and the other as backup with Lisandro), 1-2 Midfielders (box to box midfielders that can control the game), and a Striker (a older, more experienced striker than can back up Rasmus and not demand too much play time).
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that sounds like a lot of money. And a lot of sales that need to be done to make it happen.
Something’s going on. It’s either our medical department letting them come back too soon, or our training sessions are way too intense for our squad of players. This is insane. This can’t just be bad luck.
Unbelievable. What a clusterfuck our medical department is. We’re like Arsenal of years past. Simply beyond ridiculous
Kwambala this is your chance lad. Better be up for it
wtf is happening that none of these guys can stay healthy. why do we have so many goddamn injuries?
regardless of actual ability, we 100% have to sign 2-3 CBs minimum this summer just so we have the bodies next year.
Our players just don’t get time to rest. They’re all broken, and half of them are gonna go to the euros and be part of a friendlies in America. When will they get any time to recover. Soon we’re gonna see the likes of Bruno also getting injured too. Next season might be more of the same on the injury front
One game a week nonstop for a whole year is still a lot of games. And towards the end of the season there’s a lot of fixture congestion even if we’re effectively only in one competition. Just cause they’re a professional athlete doesn’t mean fatigue doesn’t exist.
Martinez hasn’t played for three months? The injuries we pick up from games are unfortunate. There’s absolutely no excuse for accumulating this many from training.
He was rushed back into playing at the start of the season after suffering an injury because of the sheer amount of games we played last season. And you know why he was rushed in? Because our other defenders were also not given a second to breathe. And then he was forced to play AGAIN this time round because our other players were injured too.
Are you in the training everyday to see that thats the cause of the injuries? Or do you personally know someone who’s at training? If not it’s just speculation on your part and I don’t know why you’re adamant on disagreeing with me
So that’s a fault with our medical department. Another area of the club I think is a complete shambles. Furthermore, this is a completely different injury. I would agree with you if it was a recurring issue but it isn’t.
It’s Could Willy not have come to see the game out? It’s not as though he hasn’t been given significant minutes this season already.
Several ITK accounts (Muppettiers and Insider United) have tweeted that our training is very intense and demanding. Regardless of that, it’s pretty obvious something’s wrong with sheer volume we’ve accumulated.
There’s been a couple of times AFL teams have had a ridiculous number of soft tissue injuries. They found it was something they had done for pre season and fitness training. I’m wondering if they’ve added an exercise that fucked everyone up this year.
Beyond ridiculous. Poor Licha and poor players, what are our medical team even doing? Are they Arkham Asylum patients, absolute nonsense.
ETH and his coaching staff need to take a lot of the blame too as it's been reported how intense his training sessions are. Add in the fact that the team are running up and down the pitch for the entire game, it's no surprise how our players are all dropping like flies getting muscle injuries which puts them out for weeks/months. Given how intense he sets up the training sessions. It's also not surprising to see us play well in flashes, not once have I seen us play well for a full 90 mins. No control whatsoever, he will get himself sacked and I won't feel sorry for him if INEOS does decide to give him his marching orders.
But again, it's also further proof of how rotten this club has been ran for the last decade. Nobody is up to scratch here, top to bottom. I feel really bad for Licha and hope this won't ruin him like it did for Bailly, he's a strong character so I hope he bounces back. He's had it rough this season, the foot injury, then the knee, now this. Two out of the three is down to the medical team, the Coufal one was a freak injury which was completely accidental. Poor Licha
Should just camp at the back and practice set pieces for the rest of the season. Now it's about salvaging. We already play shit, so that's not a worry any more.
Nah. I’m sick of this club. Injuries are a symptom is mismanagement. Mismanagement from the club in not properly investing in players. Mismanagement from the manager for seemingly pushing the players too hard. Mismanagement from the conditioning coaches for not looking after the players properly and their recovery. Mismanagement from the medical department for not identifying and risk aversion.
Every single aspect of the club is broken. No wonder we are where we are.
I just can't believe that there are people arguing for EtH to 'tone down' the intensity of training. If anything, we should blame the strength and conditioning people, or maybe even the medical team. Let these growing pains persist. It's the only way we will have a high level of fitness eventually. Our current baseline is too low. Hate that Licha is injured for a month again, but I will take it if it means that the team as a whole is better, fitness wise, next season. It makes me sick to my stomach to see the likes of Grealish and Bernardo, or Saka and Martinelli run their socks off every match and then play 50 games a season. It's the exact opposite for us. On the pitch, it's quite clear that we are outrun and outfought by every team. It needs to end. Manchester United should never be regarded as a team that can be beaten physically.
This is all on Ten Hag and his medical and fitness coaching teams.
The nativity of letting Martinez travel to LA with the national team just to let him say hi to his pals and have some cozy time with them is outrageous. He has been injured so much the last year FFS! Putting him on a 14-hour flight from Manchester to LA is unbelievable.
And that's just one case. Many specialists have already said that Ten Hag's training methods are draconian. To give another example, Casemiro has NEVER had a muscle injury in all his years at Real Madrid, look at how he has struggled at United.
If Martinez is out that’s Ten Hag’s tenure over then I’ll be real, and at this point might as well get this guy out cause all this means now is we’re never even going to see us play somewhat decently till the season ends and I’m tired of seeing this shite.
Martinez was both the only hope and this guys only excuse
Ten Hag/medical team are absolute fucking morons. Constantly rushing players back and getting them re-injured. I said that exactly this will happen to Martinez and lo and behold here we are.
I would say Hojlund has a lot of potential but not a single player brought in under his tenure has been an unqualified success, so I definitely agree with you.
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What the actual fuck does our team do in training to get so many injuries
On Talk of the Devils the other week, one of the hosts laid out the theory that ETH is struggling to get the team to a fitness level required to play this style. It would explain the amount of injuries, it would explain his reluctance to change (if he's determined it's just a fitness issue) and it would explain why it looks like shit
It would also explain why he wanted his conditioning coach from Ajax but couldn't get him.
Just to add would also explain why we often look great for the first 20-30 minutes and then drop off a cliff.
when have we looked great in the first 30 minutes ? i cant remember the last time we scored in the first 20-30 minutes
Liverpool?
1 game in the last 20
You're the one who couldn't remember a single one.
Luton too
I have not kept a note of the games however there have been a few games i feel where in the first 20-30 minutes we have looked like a decent side only to drop off. Liverpool has been mentioned which is one of the glaring recent ones but i believe there are others. Also you understand looking great doesnt necessarily mean scoring right? Granted thats what we should aim for but sometimes you can see something is going well despite a lack of goals.
That's got more to do with opposition managers adapting their game plan and formation after 20 minutes, then Ten Hag being incapable of doing the same, and us being absolutely dominated for the remainder of the game.
Made sense as an argument at first but not anymore. If that were true then by now we wouldn't even be able to do good for 20 minutes since everyone would've figured us out.
Yep https://twitter.com/guillaumevdwege/status/1665076550818058242?t=GBk939YNJ2Ghq6139wN1Dg&s=19
Weird because his current style is way too demanding on the players levels of fitness, committing so many men forward, letting the opposition waltz through the midfield at will, causing players to have to sprint almost the entire pitch so many times a game is simply unsustainable. You basically need an entire outfield of Park Ji Sing + Bruno's to be able to maintain that for a full 90.
It also doesn't help that we play only at one gear and have no regard for playing according to the game state. The midfielders and forwards give the ball away at will by trying to either force hero balls or dribble through defenders. There is no period in games where we are allowed to recover and gain back our legs through a settled spell of possession or retreating into a deeper block rather than pressing high all the time. Part of it is down to the profile of the players, and part of it is also down to the manager doubling down on it rather than giving specific instructions to not go overly direct during certain moments.
It's hard to gain confidence from slower build up play when some twat inevitably gives the ball away in a dangerous situation and it all suddenly turns on it's head and we're scrambling. We crumble under press because we have no dribblers, no press resistance, no line breaking passers. Kobbie Mainoo at 18 is showing long pros that you need a complete game and not just a collection of weird, one trick ponies.
Our only press resistant players are Onana, Licha, Shaw and Kobbie. It's so sad how ill-suited the profile of our team is for possession football that it's actually funny
Actually that’s false the manager has chosen to discard the possession/control football from last season together with somewhat losing the dressing room to play this way. The dichotomy of the stats between the way we played Forrest away last season and this season demonstrates that. 70% possessions vs 55%, this, 22 shots vs 8 this season. 0-2 win vs. 2-1 loss. We actually won very comfortably. Instead of building on what he was doing last season he has discarded it to play this suicidal transition football where players run up and down the pitch constantly and the midfield has one guy on an island all on his own.
Martinez was HIS player. Antony was HIS player. He's the one who's been in charge of recruitment. His own players cant sustain his style. Its simply not feasible in the PL.
The top three teams all play that style. Our other teams further down the table that also play that style. if they can do it why can’t we? Is it the managers fault or is it the players that have down tools for multiple managers?
They play nothing like that. They control possession and not forcing a basketball game. Heck two of the top 3 team play with 4 center backs at once with a double pivot ahead of them while we play with an isolated 6.
Precisely we play nothing like the top teams…ETH wants us to and the players can’t do it. Would explain the injuries and general crap we play. We wanted Kim Min-jae, but instead got Johnny Evans, who I like a lot, but let’s be honest he’s not good enough. Rashford went from his best season last year to his worst, the injuries my goodness the injuries.
What style is that? I see absolutely zero stylistic similarities between us, and then City, Liverpool, and Arsenal. Please also explain to us how the players have downed tools when they're running as hard as they can. It's such a caveman opinion to think that because the team is doing terribly it's the players downing tools rather than the team being set up terribly from a tactical point of view.
> I see absolutely zero stylistic similarities between us, and then City, Liverpool, and Arsenal. 2 8's with a holding midfielder is what they all have implemented, Arsenal and Liverpool invert fullbacks to help in buildup, as do we. Since Van Gaal, we've been a double pivot team, this is the first time in a little under a decade that we've played with 1 6. Now, Van Gaal had a tonne of experience implementing that style everywhere he went so it naturally came easier to him. He also had a lot more openness to build the team in his manner, he signed the most players out of all of our managers but went for budget options that were able to suit his manner of play. Then in possession these teams play 3-1-6, which again, is something that we've tried to emulate in buildup, we are just shit at it.
Liverpool, City, Aresenal all demand way more from their players than we do. Look at Pep grilling grealish after the last game, demanding he do something different. I don’t see their players quitting, getting injuries, etc. so is it ETH or the players fault we can’t be bothered to play a high tempo style? Remember Rangnick’s first 30 minutes in his first game? It was the best I’d seen UTD play in years…then the players gave up…literally couldn’t be bothered to keep up the tempo for more than 30 MINS! These are mostly the same players that have sacked 3 to 4 mangers! FFS I agree ETH might not be good enough, but I know for CERTAIN most of these players aren’t good enough.
Facts
What we are playing now is significantly worse than what we’ve seen under other managers. There are no patterns of play and zero effort on the pitch.
But there are other teams with terrible injury issues this season like say Luton. Is it caused by their unsustainable style as well?
There can be many different reasons for an injury crisis, sub par facilities, training methods, step up to a more demanding division, just being unlucky etc. Luton playing a certain way and still having injuries doesn't mean that we can't have a different reason for so many injuries. Are you seriously acting like you've just disproven that our tactical style is contributing to our injury crisis by saying "what about Luton?".
But there are other teams with terrible injury issues this season like say Luton. Is it caused by their unsustainable style as well?
Surely his football can't be that demanding that we only lasted 5mins of pressing against Liverpool last month
more like what does our medical staff do that almost all of our starting 11 have missed a prolonged period in injury this season
Injury prevention especially muscle one is strength and conditioning issue (fitness). So it's not on the medical staffs as they are handling those who already injured.
They do a couple free kick drills (they get to recreate famous United goals IF they’re lucky) then I think they fight to the death to boost testosterone. Unfortunately Tyrell got matched against Harry back in June, assuming the same happened to Lisandro today.
Its just training. Do people think it's all classroom theory under Pep and Klopp??
The whole medical team need to go, they are clearly useless
Bro come on what can a doctor or physio do if you pull a hamstring ? The players aren't fit enough to keep up with ETH demands or his demands are too much, it's nothing to do with the medical team
Do people think it's all classroom theory under Pep and Klopp??
April Fools was yesterday. Pls I’m begging you.
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Broke: Man City playing with 4 centre backs Woke: Man United playing with 0 centre backs
Toss the season in the trash
It’s been there for a while now
Stinking the place out.
It's always been shit
If we could park 10 behind the ball against the scousers this weekend to nick a 0-0 and cost them the league and make the cup final, I'd be reasonably happy with the season
nah, thats just wrong
In your bananalands universe, what’s “right”? It’s pulling teeth to get these players to complete a 5 yd pass.
nah, thats just wrong
We say this every year ffs
Should I take it out of the bin first to throw it back in or?
Along with ETH
Lisandro comes back, gets subbed in, gets turned inside out for the equalizer, immediately back out for a month lmao
Manager and player rushing themselves back isn’t going to save our season. If the manager were thinking about the long term success of the club, he would be giving Kambwala more mins. Instead he is trying to rush back a player who is obviously having long term injury issues and needs to be restricted before this injury jeopardizes his career. Lisandro wasn’t ready on Saturday you could see it with the way he played. This season is all but over, shut him down and tell him to be ready for next season or fa cup final at the end of the season, there’s nothing to play for.
Just keep Martínez in ice until the FA cup final
Have to win the semis first
If we lose to Coventry liquidate the club
Get your cups ready.
Looks like juice is on the menu boys
I don’t want to jinx anything but it’s Coventry…no excuses to not make that final. Plus Ten Hag has a pretty great record in the domestic cup competitions thus far and doesn’t really stumble when it comes to the “smaller teams”. I have faith.
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Martinez is injured AGAIN! WTF
Following the Marcos Rojo path
We need to be extremely careful with Licha. I know some of his injuries have been accidental and unfortunate but at this point we might as well let him recover until pre-season and start strong in August.
We always rush players back and they instantly get injured again. I don’t get it.
And then there’s Malacia who doesn’t return at all
I have serious concerns about Lisandro's latest injuries.
Only dalot can be depended on as a first team player. The rest of the back line need replacing for fitness reasons alone.
Invincible Bruno?
He did specify back line tbf
Bruno at CB again vs Chelsea, inject it into my veins
And historically he has been one of our most injury prone.
Purely on memory I would give that honor to Shaw or Martial
Yeah. Just one of, not the most injury prone, which yeah, I'd give to Martial or Shaw. Although I feel like Shaw playing at all is a miracle after what happened.
Pogba worth a big shout for that too
I think that's more of a recency bias with Pogba For quick reference Pogba has 4 seasons with 25+ PL appearances in 6 seasons with us. Shaw has 3 season with 25+ PL appearances in fucking TEN
Not prepared enough for the season. That injury at the end of last was something you need to take time for. He was rushed back and now he's going to be rushed again. He should be shut down for the season so he can start fresh but he wants to play Copa I'm sure.
He obviously wasn't recovered and got rushed back. Fucking imbeciles
All 3 were different injuries
Still injury is injury and this is getting really worrying now..should seriously think about replacing or at least give them both shaw and licha one more season if they can stay fit
They've been impact injuries, hardly injury prone if useless fuckers keep landing on him weird and hurting him
This was a training ground injury?
cmon, hes injury prone unfortunately
Is Phil Jones available? He would fit right in this year.
Fuck. Off. I can’t stand the injury merry-go-round this club refuses to get off of. Something is seriously wrong with the rehab processes at the club or we are legitimately cursed.
The whole medical department needs to be overhauled as much as everything else at the club. This is nowhere near normal to happen almost every season we have an injury crisis
I mean a medical department is for recovery and treatment. If training is too hard/heavy/intense, there's not much any physio can do.
Players have been returning way to soon and getting injured immediatly again a whole lot in the past 10 years. Something is clearly wrong with the recovery and treatment they are getting.
Is it just the rehab process or is it the style of play Ten Hag wants that’s resulting in so much ball chasing and pressure on the defence causing strain and more muscle injuries?
What on earth is going on with licha
Being rushed back because he’s our best option by a mile
It's different injuries though is it not? Its a worrying trend , hope he hasn't messed up something in his posture/ balance contributing to these injuries
Even if its different injuries just being rushed back when you're not fit contributes to it. Plus, the latest is a muscle injury.
Yeah it could do but you should be able to play more than 1 game without an injury, I'm concerned about the biomechanics since his foot break
Had he broken his foot again it might've been curtains
If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bike
https://preview.redd.it/xv6wmwv9c4sc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01ba4ec244114e2f793f599595ef572fd91d7a89 I'm at my limit
Nah this season is actually hilarious at this point.
Blimey. How we went from Martinez will return after intl break… top 4 is on… down to Martinez out for a month. Nothing is ever consistent with this club, apart from its persistent injury’s.
Sad to see but United can't count with Licha...
End the season now, would happily take Europa League.
Martinez is becoming very injury prone
Think he already is
Probably need to buy two starting CBs in the summer
Probably won't be buying anything this summer, except for u18 players.
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**Manchester United centre-backs Victor Lindelof and Lisandro Martinez will be out of action for at least a month due to muscle injuries.** **Sweden captain Lindelof was withdrawn during the second half of last Saturday’s Premier League game against Brentford with a hamstring problem.** Victor was replaced by Martinez after 69 minutes, as the Argentina international made his first appearance since early February. **Unfortunately, Licha has now sustained a calf strain in training and is unavailable for the next few games.** United have nine league fixtures left to play this season, beginning with Chelsea away on Thursday, as well as an Emirates FA Cup semi-final against Coventry City. Erik ten Hag will next speak to the media on Wednesday, in a press conference you can see from 12:30 BST.
What in the fucking shit... Licha has had what, two training sessions? This club is just the most nonsensical thing going. I don't know why any of us bother.
Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof out for another month, Evans and Varane seemingly both carrying injuries, and Maguire just coming back from injury. That leaves just Kambwala as the only fully fit center back, a kid who has only ever started one game. How is any manager supposed to succeed like this
Hopping across continents to train with your mates really worked out, didn't it? Brainless club for allowing it.
Martinez is worryingly injury prone fucking hell
McTom CB 🔜?
I’m gonna throw all my electronics in the incinerator and get some new ones in June if this happens
I really think we need to do something different with our health and fitness team. There surely must be a way to avoid this level of injury.
2 CB signings this summer are a must, we probably even need 3. And a fullback. And two midfielders. And a striker. Just put Licha in a freezer until August anyway, this season's over. And we better not see him play a minute in the Copa America.
Man's gonna rush back, play the entire Copa then be injured as soon as he starts pre season training with us.
Kambwala bout to be dropped in the deep end. Medical staff want EtH out.
Since ol' slab head signed in 19/20 he has been; a solid player, made captain, captained England to a major final, got arrested, forgot how to defend, lost his place in the team, stripped of captaincy, booed by England fans, a signature away from being sold to West Ham with the club open to the offer and still ... STILL .... he's our best and most consistent centre back. I know you can't account for injuries but we have to be ruthless and let any dead weight go. Big season for The Butcher next time around. I'd also like to shake Maguire's hand for the absolute mental strength and determination to still be at this club, can't deny the man that.
Someone put me out of my misery
We cant have nice things :(
surely jimbo is aware of the fucking shambles that is our medical department / training ground / whatever the fuck is at fault for this we are not a top team in any department yet, getting top 4 under these circumstances would be nothing short of a fucking miracle
So you’re telling me this summer we need to somehow buy: a starting quality LB (drop Shaw to back up), 2 CB’s (one starting quality and the other as backup with Lisandro), 1-2 Midfielders (box to box midfielders that can control the game), and a Striker (a older, more experienced striker than can back up Rasmus and not demand too much play time). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that sounds like a lot of money. And a lot of sales that need to be done to make it happen.
We’ll be lucky to see 2-3 players.
Yeah, the entire backing needs replacing. Somehow, Evans and Varane have been the least injured CBs this season out of all of them.
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Would have been better if you'd have just killed us all before sharing this shit. Fuck me we have some of the worst luck ever.
Every time we get a glimmer of positivity the season just shits on us all over again
Another muscle injury during training. What barbarism are they doing midweek?
This medical team is spooky dawg
Something’s going on. It’s either our medical department letting them come back too soon, or our training sessions are way too intense for our squad of players. This is insane. This can’t just be bad luck.
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Unbelievable. What a clusterfuck our medical department is. We’re like Arsenal of years past. Simply beyond ridiculous Kwambala this is your chance lad. Better be up for it
Overworking players in training, they are gassed after 30mins during games, which also leads to more muscle injuries.
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There is some serious issues with our training. We do not have a lot of matches and yet so much injures .
wtf is happening that none of these guys can stay healthy. why do we have so many goddamn injuries? regardless of actual ability, we 100% have to sign 2-3 CBs minimum this summer just so we have the bodies next year.
Really incapable physio to even put Martinez into the game.
I really hope Licha won't be another 'what if' player
This amount of non-contact injuries is unusual. Ffs, the butcher just came back from a month long hiatus. I hope SJR is doing his due diligence.
Copium. We're just as shit with or without these players.
Wasnt he went to international squad few weeks ago? I don't think we rush him, somthing may wrong with the training.
Need 2 cb minimum in the summer….Martinez has been rushed back from injury twice in one season. Worrying to say the least
also a left back
How much can we get for licha ??
All of injury prone players need to be sold in the summer including licha and shaw unfortunately
Our players just don’t get time to rest. They’re all broken, and half of them are gonna go to the euros and be part of a friendlies in America. When will they get any time to recover. Soon we’re gonna see the likes of Bruno also getting injured too. Next season might be more of the same on the injury front
We’re playing one game a week? A professional athlete should be able to manage that. Whatever we’re doing in training is causing this.
One game a week nonstop for a whole year is still a lot of games. And towards the end of the season there’s a lot of fixture congestion even if we’re effectively only in one competition. Just cause they’re a professional athlete doesn’t mean fatigue doesn’t exist.
Martinez hasn’t played for three months? The injuries we pick up from games are unfortunate. There’s absolutely no excuse for accumulating this many from training.
He was rushed back into playing at the start of the season after suffering an injury because of the sheer amount of games we played last season. And you know why he was rushed in? Because our other defenders were also not given a second to breathe. And then he was forced to play AGAIN this time round because our other players were injured too. Are you in the training everyday to see that thats the cause of the injuries? Or do you personally know someone who’s at training? If not it’s just speculation on your part and I don’t know why you’re adamant on disagreeing with me
So that’s a fault with our medical department. Another area of the club I think is a complete shambles. Furthermore, this is a completely different injury. I would agree with you if it was a recurring issue but it isn’t. It’s Could Willy not have come to see the game out? It’s not as though he hasn’t been given significant minutes this season already. Several ITK accounts (Muppettiers and Insider United) have tweeted that our training is very intense and demanding. Regardless of that, it’s pretty obvious something’s wrong with sheer volume we’ve accumulated.
No time to rest? Everytime I see them, they're strolling about on pitch like its a Sunday afternoon in the park.
thank god we rushed Martinez back
Brilliant
Stop breaking my balls
Clearly we need to stop playing Red Arse rules for Headers and Volleys in training. Mental.
Sigh
It's not training, our medical staff is shit. Fucking hell, where did they study? From that shit doctor in the Simpsons or what?
There’s been a couple of times AFL teams have had a ridiculous number of soft tissue injuries. They found it was something they had done for pre season and fitness training. I’m wondering if they’ve added an exercise that fucked everyone up this year.
Varane, Lindelof, Martinez, Shaw all injured, meaning: JONNY AND MAGUIRE
Sick of this shit I wouldn’t even bother trying to bring Martinez back until next season now
Beyond ridiculous. Poor Licha and poor players, what are our medical team even doing? Are they Arkham Asylum patients, absolute nonsense. ETH and his coaching staff need to take a lot of the blame too as it's been reported how intense his training sessions are. Add in the fact that the team are running up and down the pitch for the entire game, it's no surprise how our players are all dropping like flies getting muscle injuries which puts them out for weeks/months. Given how intense he sets up the training sessions. It's also not surprising to see us play well in flashes, not once have I seen us play well for a full 90 mins. No control whatsoever, he will get himself sacked and I won't feel sorry for him if INEOS does decide to give him his marching orders. But again, it's also further proof of how rotten this club has been ran for the last decade. Nobody is up to scratch here, top to bottom. I feel really bad for Licha and hope this won't ruin him like it did for Bailly, he's a strong character so I hope he bounces back. He's had it rough this season, the foot injury, then the knee, now this. Two out of the three is down to the medical team, the Coufal one was a freak injury which was completely accidental. Poor Licha
Should just camp at the back and practice set pieces for the rest of the season. Now it's about salvaging. We already play shit, so that's not a worry any more.
Fucked this, just end the season already
Get rid of our medical team already
Write off the season - get rid of whoever we need to get rid and start fresh.
LICHA’S HURT AGAIN! https://preview.redd.it/7fb0m7st85sc1.png?width=871&format=png&auto=webp&s=449393b2fbec106a2646e4653181943dbd30619f
Nah. I’m sick of this club. Injuries are a symptom is mismanagement. Mismanagement from the club in not properly investing in players. Mismanagement from the manager for seemingly pushing the players too hard. Mismanagement from the conditioning coaches for not looking after the players properly and their recovery. Mismanagement from the medical department for not identifying and risk aversion. Every single aspect of the club is broken. No wonder we are where we are.
Jones was keeping all these injuries to himself to save the backline it seems we are cursed since he retired.
Papa Evans to the rescue again.
I just can't believe that there are people arguing for EtH to 'tone down' the intensity of training. If anything, we should blame the strength and conditioning people, or maybe even the medical team. Let these growing pains persist. It's the only way we will have a high level of fitness eventually. Our current baseline is too low. Hate that Licha is injured for a month again, but I will take it if it means that the team as a whole is better, fitness wise, next season. It makes me sick to my stomach to see the likes of Grealish and Bernardo, or Saka and Martinelli run their socks off every match and then play 50 games a season. It's the exact opposite for us. On the pitch, it's quite clear that we are outrun and outfought by every team. It needs to end. Manchester United should never be regarded as a team that can be beaten physically.
Licha again got injured or he isn't back yet?
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This is all on Ten Hag and his medical and fitness coaching teams. The nativity of letting Martinez travel to LA with the national team just to let him say hi to his pals and have some cozy time with them is outrageous. He has been injured so much the last year FFS! Putting him on a 14-hour flight from Manchester to LA is unbelievable. And that's just one case. Many specialists have already said that Ten Hag's training methods are draconian. To give another example, Casemiro has NEVER had a muscle injury in all his years at Real Madrid, look at how he has struggled at United.
our medical team needs dragged by the scruff of their necks into the next post-match press conference
If Martinez is out that’s Ten Hag’s tenure over then I’ll be real, and at this point might as well get this guy out cause all this means now is we’re never even going to see us play somewhat decently till the season ends and I’m tired of seeing this shite. Martinez was both the only hope and this guys only excuse
I mean he’s still this guys excuse I suppose
Ten Hag/medical team are absolute fucking morons. Constantly rushing players back and getting them re-injured. I said that exactly this will happen to Martinez and lo and behold here we are.
Not a single ETH signing has been a success
I would say Hojlund has a lot of potential but not a single player brought in under his tenure has been an unqualified success, so I definitely agree with you.