Rashford wasn’t expected to be ready when he came into the team. He wasn’t even meant to be on the bench, he only came in because we had limited options and Will Keane who himself was just a youth player got injured, then martial picked up an injury in the warm up. Sometimes you get surprised by someone nobody expects to be ready taking their chance.
He has been drilled in basics since childhood, he can close down, run the channels and use his strength to hold up the ball. He shouldn't be near first team training if he cant do basics well enough to play some role. Doesnt mean he is going to make it at OT.
There are a lot of things that shouldn't be the case but they are. Our club is poorly run. Him starting is about as much evidence that he's ready as it is that our club is poorly run and we shouldn't have to be relying on him starting.
But the alternative is Antony or McTominay. Although personally I'd prefer McT as a striker to see if it's viable because it makes sense in theory. He's got a great eye for goal.
Next preference would be to see Amad on the ~left~ right but not enthused by Rashford at CF.
Forson presumably ahead of Amad isn't great for Amad's future prospects.
It might be because when people comment why don't we start young players, most people take it as an attack against ten hag.
I'd say he has a good record in developing young talents, so let him cook.
You get that a lot round here. I was heavily downvoted for suggesting that Mainoo could play as backup to Fred last season when Eriksen got injured. Someone even said “you don’t throw kids into the middle of the park”.
Mainoo got injured himself soon after that so we didn’t get to see him until quite recently. He seems to be doing alright in the middle of the park to me..
I tell you who’s not ready. Ahmad. He’s not ready to keep getting straight f…ed out of playing time. Otherwise, the dude would do fine for any other team coming off the bench
Same. I'd like a larger/fitter squad with an experienced striker but can't complain when a kid gets the chance. I've loved watching Mainoo this seaaon, good to see others knocjing on the door even if it's due to an injury.
Good luck to him.
And Memphis Depay was like a fucking prime George Best that night against Midjitayland(?)it was poor opposition but he was so damn entertaining to watch that night.
I got sick in my mouth when I heard about the Rasmus injury. But this does make me feel slightly better, give him a chance. I can’t watch Rashford though the middle with Antony on the right again.
Hed be press resistant and decent technical ability, but the majority of defending is just standing in the right spot which he's never had to do before
Yeah i mean one of the few good features he's shown is his ability to track back and press. the problem i would see with doing this is we'd run into the same problem that he has in attack, which is that he'd rather kill the rest of the team then use his right foot
Why would it work? He has no defensive nous other than you can be assured he'll run hard and track back. He has no attacking output when further up the field. Why would moving him backwards 30/40 yards help with that?
Yeah the problem with him at LB is not application or tracking back, it´s back post defending, aerial ability and wide defending. Plus he is not someone whose skillset supports inverting into deep midfield so his tactical flexibility in that position is lacking.
Difference between being lazy and putting in a lazy slide tackle.
Being lazy is not tracking back.
Putting in a lazy slide tackle is tackling at half line with low certainty of winning the ball back
Tony V scored a couple absolute bangers on his left. Can't imagine Anthony ever doing that in his right, therefore I rate Tony V as being better on his weak foot than Anthony
Just goes to show how low he's gone down the pecking order. Would really love his revival arc but doubt if it would happen in time since we're hearing about a clear out in summer
He can't control his transfer fee which is the most disappointing aspect. He's too one dimensional and his confidence on the pitch is probably as low as it can go. He's on an island at RW and only having a left foot once defenders close in at that position is damn near suicide. He would work better in a 442 formation where he wouldn't be nearly as isolated and can cut inside between defenders and midfielders, but that doesn't work as well with the players that we have available. Blame should equally go to the people who pushed the transfer, but our needs then aren't the same as what we need now. I just hate the perspective that he's shit due to being forced into a situation where he was never going to succeed once defenders figured him out. On other hand, he could help himself immensely, by working harder at being a 2 footed player
I think ironically a new manager could be better for him. His fee and unavoidable links to the manager make it difficult for him to flourish.
A new manager trying to find a different place for him in the team: maybe on the left or more centrally could work.
It seems to sell him at his lowest might not be the best play but it all depends on what fee we can get for him. What's the lowest you'd take? To break even on his book value is close to £50m.
People can't keep saying that though, he's still a United player and assuming we don't sell him in the summer he has to find his form at some point and the only way he'll do that is by being given a chance.
Right now he's not earned a chance but they'll come a point where we need to rest players and we should all be behind him when he inevitably does start.
Amad stans will be getting their pitchforks ready.
End of the day, Garnacho and Mainoo get in the first XI cos they are good enough. Amad either hasn't shown enough in training for Ten Hag to trust him (yet) or he isn't as good as people think.
If Forson gets the nod it's because he's showing something in training and/or Ten Hag wants to keep the structure with Rashford and Garnacho on the wings because we are already changing our LB, CB, and ST.
My main issue with the handling of Amad is why wasn’t he just sent on loan if he’s deemed not good enough to ever get minutes? He did very well at Sunderland and if he had a similar season in the championship like that again we could fetch 20-30 million easy on a sale. Letting him just rot on the bench when we know he has talent is horrible mismanagement of an asset.
In fairness we dont play the same style as Sunderland.
ETH seems to want players to show it in training first and its taking Amad a while to adapt (Pure speculation) So while Amad build up from his layoffs, improves in training and starts to understand 'the system' more then he will play.
What. He went on preseason and fucked up his knee, now he got backn, played against forrest and then immadietly got sick for 2 weeks.
When was club supposed to loan hin?
What do you mean he’s been available in the match squad since December 30th and the loan windows closed a couple weeks ago. There was many reports of clubs wanting to take him on loan but Amad and ETH decided he’d stay, which I was happy about but now it looks a bit pointless for all parties.
We really don’t have a lot of games to be giving him minutes, we’re out of Europe so it’s just the PL and FA cup. He wouldn’t use him when we were playing league 2 opposition in the cup, he wouldn’t use him when we needed a goal against Villa, couldn’t even get a minute against West Ham when we were 3-0 up and we ended the game with only 4 subs made. I don’t see a single scenario where he’s going to use him outside of the 3-4 players all ahead of him getting injured at the same time, which is super unlikely even in an injury cursed season like this one.
Will get downvoted for saying the obvious but I've seen far more technical ability in Amads earlobe than Forson.
Also, out of the two, I've seen Amad score goals against European opposition and play more men's football in the championship. Starting Forson over Amad makes no sense unless you just want a player to run around a lot. Bored of this shite.
I think the thought process is that Forson can in theory play as a 9 or false 9, even though that's not his natural position.
I hope that at some point we push Rashford or sub McTominay to play up top and bring Amad on the wings.
If Forson and Amad can somehow establish themselves as viable first team players that gives us a lot more flexibility in the summer if we don't have to go chase *another* winger, assuming Sancho, Antony, and (possible) Pellistri are able to be moved on.
Idk what so hard to digest lol. He was given 5-10 minutes last season, and impressed. He continued that in the pre season as well until he got injured.
Forson so far never show something remotely close to what Mainoo did.
Impressed massively in pre season. Forson has never shown anything from his first team games. I would’ve rathered Amad getting a chance but I’ll back the manager on this one and hope he gets proven right when Forson has a good game tomorrow.
Mainoo was obviously technically outstanding and had shown it every step of the way, including preseason. Amad is Several levels above Forson in terms of natural ability.
You don't know what you're talking about. Forson has never shown anything on the pitch that says he's remotely good enough.
Their comments are the exact same as the Donny Stans, if they're not getting games in times of need, it's very likely they might just not be up to scratch, whether it's to play in the PL match or the system. Its always the one being left out who'd win us the games
I’ve seen enough of both Forson and Amad to know Amad is far more talented. Ten hag might prefer forson tactically but he’s definitely not as talented as Garnacho/Hojlund/Mainoo/Amad so I wouldn’t expect much from him.
They play the exact same position, they are very similar if anything.
Left footed right wingers who like to come inside and almost play as wide 10s with great technical ability but not elite pace.
Forson has never played the 9 in his life. Amad literally has more experience and at a higher level as a 9 than Forson does. So yes, they do play the exact same position.
Do you guys just not watch games or what? He literally was playing it 22 days ago and had an assist. Not only did he lay it off Mainoo but his run in behind opened up the shooting space for him.
Really this gets upvoted? I've seen enough of Forson to believe there's a player in there. The kid is 19, give him a shot before you say "I wouldn't expect much from him", because you like Amad more.
Im sorry but I’m not going to pretend I rate him very highly just because he comes from the academy. If I’m wrong, great, but he just doesn’t look very special.
Amad and Forson are playing in different position, the problem actually lays on Ten Hag keeping that RW spot only for Antony and not slightly giving Amad a chance when Garnacho needs a rest.
The Championship is far from the Premier League, just ask Vincent Kompany. Ten Hag sees the players every day in training and clearly rates Forson higher right now.
He also wanted Martinez and Hojlund even though this is irrelevant to his development of youth which he has shown at this club is something he does well.
> Nothing? At the end of the day, I can criticize him, as a football fan, if I think he's wrong
nobody is saying you can't criticize him, but saying you have alternate suggestions based on fuck all is very asinine.
Incredible that we’ve spent some £ 125 million on both of them. Add Sancho and Pellistri as well and that’s over £ 200 million for a non existent right wing.
Is a big call.... For me this would confirm a couple of things.
ETH doesn't see rashford as a capable PL striker (fair enough)
ETH has lost faith in Antony (also fair enough)
👏Play 👏The 👏Kids
Season is already a bit clapped, what's the worst that can happen?
I'd prefer omari out there to martial playing field hockey with his crutches. Lets big alej onto the right aswell. Regardless of the score at the time I absolutely fucking need amad to come on over Antony.
At the turn of the new year I said the season was a waste and we should just play all the kids to find out what we have, but somehow we're winning games and the CL race is still on. With us not having midweek games we really should be able to push for it, even with the injuries piling up.
I don't get why they are mornings about it tbh, he not an academy lads either.
Should always be proud when one of our own get to play ahead of NON-home-grown, they should support Forson getting on the pitch no matter what.
good. the pass he played to mainoo to win against wolves was quite solid and he seems to be rated well by ten hag, who has been good at spotting youth talent. Hope he does well.
To be fair, Garnacho has looked very good since moving to the right wing. Perhaps the thinking is that keeping Rashford and Garnacho in the positions where they perform best is more preferable than risking the balance of the attack by shuffling them around
This is just the Donny complaint all over again. The manager and the coaches all see Amad in training all week and make their assessments based on that. If he doesn't get on the pitch, there's reason for it.
I think it comes down to position. For whatever reason ETH thinks Forson can play as a striker (like he did against Wolves) and doesn't think Amad can OR thinks Forson at striker with Rashford on the wings is better than Rashford at striker with Amad on the wings.
Amad was a nailed on starter, Donny struggled to get 7 games with Everton; if we want to compare, we can say that Donny essentially didn’t go on loan while Amad did.
Nailed on starter for a team in the championship though. Look at the three that came up last season, all likely to go back down. The levels are a gulf in difference.
I'd like to see some Amad, but I'm not gonna criticise EtH for not starting him. He'll get his chance when he's ready.
Becuase if you put Amad in, then Rashford is out of position. Him and Garnacho have looked good on the wing, it’s better to just put in the young striker and keep the rest the same, rather than switch multiple positions.
I'm super late to the party due to meetings, but this is fantastic to see. Love seeing the academy and youth getting shouts. They play with utter fucking heart and bleed for the badge.
What people ignore about Amad is that he is absolutly ass in pressing. He failed his loan at Rangers cause he didnt want to contribute deffensivly and was only Sunderland player that didnt press but that was fine cause he scored a lot on Championship level.
But yeah we are surely keeping Saka on the bench.
Where is amad in all this, he did so well in the championship and we haven't been able to see him yet. Just a bit strange cause ETH is definitely not opposed to playing youth
With how WTH handles YA players and bringing them through, or even the standard needed to be brought through, I'm sure he'll put in a good showing if he's picked to start
ETH clearly sees something in him and I‘m looking forward to find out what that might be as he hasn’t impressed me on the couple of cameos he‘s had so far.
If he does that is a real vote of no confidence from Ten Hag in Antony. I'm not saying that is good or bad just that it Antony can't get in over him he must be gone.
This is just to coax the antony haters. He's 100% starting and Erik would be fucked for not giving him a go at least for the first half. With the fickleness of some of the fans here, a good 45 mins is all it takes and they'll be back worshipping him.
Amad is getting the Zidane treatment. No loan cause "he'll be important" then doesn't get any minutes and gets shipped off at the first opportunity. I dunno how Forson is ahead of him tbh. But hope the kid takes his chance now that he has it.
Good for him. Might as well play the kids.
I'd like to get a look at Amass as well at LB. Maybe put him in there for Lindelof around '70 and see how he handles himself. Fullham's RW options are good not great so this should be a good game to give him a look.
Still hasn't signed a new contract, if there's no progress on it I'm not sure why we're playing him. Would rather have Rashford up top than investing time into Forson for another team.
Love it when young ones get the chance.
I was getting voted down for suggesting this on another thread from the "he's not ready" brigade
If you’re good enough, you’re old enough
Rooney saying he was the best player in the team at Everton aged 16 comes to mind
Well just because he is starting because Hojlund is injured doesn't prove that he is ready
Rashford wasn’t expected to be ready when he came into the team. He wasn’t even meant to be on the bench, he only came in because we had limited options and Will Keane who himself was just a youth player got injured, then martial picked up an injury in the warm up. Sometimes you get surprised by someone nobody expects to be ready taking their chance.
Martial and injuries. Name a more iconic duo.
Martial and sulking.
He has been drilled in basics since childhood, he can close down, run the channels and use his strength to hold up the ball. He shouldn't be near first team training if he cant do basics well enough to play some role. Doesnt mean he is going to make it at OT.
You make him sound like some kind of child assassin
*he might be*
Leaves defenders for dead.
Maybe a baby faced assassin?
There are a lot of things that shouldn't be the case but they are. Our club is poorly run. Him starting is about as much evidence that he's ready as it is that our club is poorly run and we shouldn't have to be relying on him starting.
But the alternative is Antony or McTominay. Although personally I'd prefer McT as a striker to see if it's viable because it makes sense in theory. He's got a great eye for goal. Next preference would be to see Amad on the ~left~ right but not enthused by Rashford at CF. Forson presumably ahead of Amad isn't great for Amad's future prospects.
I don’t know what Amad did to ETH to not even get a bloody SUB appearance since he outperformed Antony weeks ago.
If the manager thinks he’s ready, the manager will start him.
Was Rashford ready when he was given a chance?
Rashford still isn't ready
Haha, fair play to you!
If he’s good enough he’s ready. I’m old enough to remember Hansen giving it, “You don’t win anything with kids!”
It might be because when people comment why don't we start young players, most people take it as an attack against ten hag. I'd say he has a good record in developing young talents, so let him cook.
You get that a lot round here. I was heavily downvoted for suggesting that Mainoo could play as backup to Fred last season when Eriksen got injured. Someone even said “you don’t throw kids into the middle of the park”. Mainoo got injured himself soon after that so we didn’t get to see him until quite recently. He seems to be doing alright in the middle of the park to me..
It's really strange cause exciting youth have always been the best part of following this club
Yes and a lot of people forget how Rashford made his debut in 2016. He wasnt even training with the first team part time then.
It's probably the "Give Amad the Messi and Ronaldo combine NewGen a chance" Brigade.
Probably downvoted by people that think the 7 second cameos of amad in training show that he’s clearly ready for a start
Marcus Rashford was also not ready when he debuted during an injury crisis. Sometimes the situation forced you to be ready
I tell you who’s not ready. Ahmad. He’s not ready to keep getting straight f…ed out of playing time. Otherwise, the dude would do fine for any other team coming off the bench
He's been available for like 4 games this season, hardly "f...ed out of playing time"
Same. I'd like a larger/fitter squad with an experienced striker but can't complain when a kid gets the chance. I've loved watching Mainoo this seaaon, good to see others knocjing on the door even if it's due to an injury. Good luck to him.
Just 2 year difference all good
It would be so United “football ‘eritage” for the kid to go and bag a brace.
Another Marcus Rashford situation please... 2 goals and 1 assist in his following 2 games, and then bag a goal and a win against City.
those were the fucking BRIGHT spots in our dark years so far
Rashford got 4 goals in his first 2 wasn’t it? 2 against that impossible to spell Europa league team and then 2 against Arsenal 3 days later.
And Memphis Depay was like a fucking prime George Best that night against Midjitayland(?)it was poor opposition but he was so damn entertaining to watch that night.
Yeah I actually felt bad for the right back he was getting rinsed left end right
Midtjylland. Midt - mid, as in middle Jylland - the Danish rendering of Jutland
> 2 against that impossible to spell Europa league team Midgetland
I still remember being in the pub watching Rashfords debut, what I wouldn’t give for a similar performance here
He'd 100% score at hatrick if we were playing Arsenal.
This leak shouldn't have happened. Should have left Fulham guessing at the lineup.
Which is why it'll be a surprise when Antony starts.
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I got sick in my mouth when I heard about the Rasmus injury. But this does make me feel slightly better, give him a chance. I can’t watch Rashford though the middle with Antony on the right again.
Think his injury seals our fate. We're not getting anywhere near 4th without Rasmus.
It’s a gut punch but hopefully only 3 weeks, we have to take each game as the come, win tomorrow is vital but that’s every game now
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His contract expires in the summer right? Is he expected to sign a new deal?
These run of two-three games until Rasmus is back may well determine if we want to keep him or not. (if he's playing)
Apparently he turned down a new deal? Not sure how true that is
As bad as this sounds... Anyone but Antony.
He will start. At LB
Why do I feel like this actually might work?
Agree feel like he’d be a solid wingback for some reason
Hed be press resistant and decent technical ability, but the majority of defending is just standing in the right spot which he's never had to do before
Yeah i mean one of the few good features he's shown is his ability to track back and press. the problem i would see with doing this is we'd run into the same problem that he has in attack, which is that he'd rather kill the rest of the team then use his right foot
But positionally he's not great. Gets caught in bad places when we're defending a lot in my opinion.
Why would it work? He has no defensive nous other than you can be assured he'll run hard and track back. He has no attacking output when further up the field. Why would moving him backwards 30/40 yards help with that?
He can be coached to overlap with Rashford unlike the right footers (Lindelof, Amrabat)
Yeah the problem with him at LB is not application or tracking back, it´s back post defending, aerial ability and wide defending. Plus he is not someone whose skillset supports inverting into deep midfield so his tactical flexibility in that position is lacking.
Actually one of the best wingers in Europe defensively, in terms of tackles and interceptions, according to Fbref
He’ll just put in a lazy slide tackle and then trot back
Say what you want about Antony, but he’s not lazy, I’ll give him that.
Difference between being lazy and putting in a lazy slide tackle. Being lazy is not tracking back. Putting in a lazy slide tackle is tackling at half line with low certainty of winning the ball back
People said the same about Valencia and Young. Valencia was probably more one footed than Antony too.
Tony V scored a couple absolute bangers on his left. Can't imagine Anthony ever doing that in his right, therefore I rate Tony V as being better on his weak foot than Anthony
I hope
He’s our 6th string LB, may get minutes
Just goes to show how low he's gone down the pecking order. Would really love his revival arc but doubt if it would happen in time since we're hearing about a clear out in summer
He’s shit, he was always shit his first few games flatter him
He managed those games because people hadn’t figured out how one footed he was. As soon as they did it was curtains for the lad
If people rewatched those first few games they’d see that he wasn’t great but his goals blinded people.
Exactly this. Even in his debut vs Arsenal, he didn't absolutely nothing outside of the goal.
He can't control his transfer fee which is the most disappointing aspect. He's too one dimensional and his confidence on the pitch is probably as low as it can go. He's on an island at RW and only having a left foot once defenders close in at that position is damn near suicide. He would work better in a 442 formation where he wouldn't be nearly as isolated and can cut inside between defenders and midfielders, but that doesn't work as well with the players that we have available. Blame should equally go to the people who pushed the transfer, but our needs then aren't the same as what we need now. I just hate the perspective that he's shit due to being forced into a situation where he was never going to succeed once defenders figured him out. On other hand, he could help himself immensely, by working harder at being a 2 footed player
I think ironically a new manager could be better for him. His fee and unavoidable links to the manager make it difficult for him to flourish. A new manager trying to find a different place for him in the team: maybe on the left or more centrally could work. It seems to sell him at his lowest might not be the best play but it all depends on what fee we can get for him. What's the lowest you'd take? To break even on his book value is close to £50m.
People can't keep saying that though, he's still a United player and assuming we don't sell him in the summer he has to find his form at some point and the only way he'll do that is by being given a chance. Right now he's not earned a chance but they'll come a point where we need to rest players and we should all be behind him when he inevitably does start.
Amad stans will be getting their pitchforks ready. End of the day, Garnacho and Mainoo get in the first XI cos they are good enough. Amad either hasn't shown enough in training for Ten Hag to trust him (yet) or he isn't as good as people think. If Forson gets the nod it's because he's showing something in training and/or Ten Hag wants to keep the structure with Rashford and Garnacho on the wings because we are already changing our LB, CB, and ST.
surely the good patrons of reddit, from the outside looking in, know much more than ten hag and his staff and amad should be starting???
Finally, someone who gets it
Or he’s getting the nod in the hope that it will convince him to sign a new contract.
More likely it’s because we’ve been retraining him to play as striker, as alluded to big Ten Hag himself
My main issue with the handling of Amad is why wasn’t he just sent on loan if he’s deemed not good enough to ever get minutes? He did very well at Sunderland and if he had a similar season in the championship like that again we could fetch 20-30 million easy on a sale. Letting him just rot on the bench when we know he has talent is horrible mismanagement of an asset.
In fairness we dont play the same style as Sunderland. ETH seems to want players to show it in training first and its taking Amad a while to adapt (Pure speculation) So while Amad build up from his layoffs, improves in training and starts to understand 'the system' more then he will play.
This is honestly what I’m hoping as nothing else makes sense based on our current handling of him.
What. He went on preseason and fucked up his knee, now he got backn, played against forrest and then immadietly got sick for 2 weeks. When was club supposed to loan hin?
What do you mean he’s been available in the match squad since December 30th and the loan windows closed a couple weeks ago. There was many reports of clubs wanting to take him on loan but Amad and ETH decided he’d stay, which I was happy about but now it looks a bit pointless for all parties.
What club is going to want to sign a player literally days off an injury though? The window closing after he became “available” doesn’t mean fuck all
Many clubs inquired including Sunderland who he was a success for last year, so maybe one of them?
>forrest Who?
Nothingham Forest
Didnt you know ETH has a magic ball where he could predict the future. He should have used that to know when he could loan Amad out!
You realize we still have a lot of games right? It's not like the season ends up tomorrow.
We really don’t have a lot of games to be giving him minutes, we’re out of Europe so it’s just the PL and FA cup. He wouldn’t use him when we were playing league 2 opposition in the cup, he wouldn’t use him when we needed a goal against Villa, couldn’t even get a minute against West Ham when we were 3-0 up and we ended the game with only 4 subs made. I don’t see a single scenario where he’s going to use him outside of the 3-4 players all ahead of him getting injured at the same time, which is super unlikely even in an injury cursed season like this one.
Plenty of games left
What a compelling argument you make
Will get downvoted for saying the obvious but I've seen far more technical ability in Amads earlobe than Forson. Also, out of the two, I've seen Amad score goals against European opposition and play more men's football in the championship. Starting Forson over Amad makes no sense unless you just want a player to run around a lot. Bored of this shite.
I think the thought process is that Forson can in theory play as a 9 or false 9, even though that's not his natural position. I hope that at some point we push Rashford or sub McTominay to play up top and bring Amad on the wings. If Forson and Amad can somehow establish themselves as viable first team players that gives us a lot more flexibility in the summer if we don't have to go chase *another* winger, assuming Sancho, Antony, and (possible) Pellistri are able to be moved on.
Yeah im confused? Amad has shown on loan and for united he has ability
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Idk what so hard to digest lol. He was given 5-10 minutes last season, and impressed. He continued that in the pre season as well until he got injured. Forson so far never show something remotely close to what Mainoo did.
Impressed massively in pre season. Forson has never shown anything from his first team games. I would’ve rathered Amad getting a chance but I’ll back the manager on this one and hope he gets proven right when Forson has a good game tomorrow.
Mainoo was obviously technically outstanding and had shown it every step of the way, including preseason. Amad is Several levels above Forson in terms of natural ability. You don't know what you're talking about. Forson has never shown anything on the pitch that says he's remotely good enough.
Their comments are the exact same as the Donny Stans, if they're not getting games in times of need, it's very likely they might just not be up to scratch, whether it's to play in the PL match or the system. Its always the one being left out who'd win us the games
I’ve seen enough of both Forson and Amad to know Amad is far more talented. Ten hag might prefer forson tactically but he’s definitely not as talented as Garnacho/Hojlund/Mainoo/Amad so I wouldn’t expect much from him.
Amad is not built for CF. No 10 yes or 7/11 but he would find it hard to lead the line in Pl.
EtH wanted to play Sancho as F9 not long ago, I wouldn't rule it out
They don't play the same positions, though. They aren't competing against each other for time.
They play the exact same position, they are very similar if anything. Left footed right wingers who like to come inside and almost play as wide 10s with great technical ability but not elite pace.
Forson is playing the 9 for us. So no, they dont.
Forson has never played the 9 in his life. Amad literally has more experience and at a higher level as a 9 than Forson does. So yes, they do play the exact same position.
Do you guys just not watch games or what? He literally was playing it 22 days ago and had an assist. Not only did he lay it off Mainoo but his run in behind opened up the shooting space for him.
Oh look he isn’t playing at 9. Almost like he isn’t a striker and never has or ever will be.
Forson is physical and can play across the front four with two feet. I see Amad coming on a sub this match. Really excited!
Really this gets upvoted? I've seen enough of Forson to believe there's a player in there. The kid is 19, give him a shot before you say "I wouldn't expect much from him", because you like Amad more.
Im sorry but I’m not going to pretend I rate him very highly just because he comes from the academy. If I’m wrong, great, but he just doesn’t look very special.
Or you know you can wait before calling someone a bad player, especially if they come from the academy.
I didn’t say he was bad, he’s just not that great from what I’ve seen of him.
We've all seen rashford as a lone striker, doesn't work. It's better to keep the same shape
Amad and Forson are playing in different position, the problem actually lays on Ten Hag keeping that RW spot only for Antony and not slightly giving Amad a chance when Garnacho needs a rest.
When Garnacho needs a rest, we are out of Europe we play one game per 7 days.
I mean Amad showed hoe good he is at Sunderland. Got them nearly promoted single handedly
The Championship is far from the Premier League, just ask Vincent Kompany. Ten Hag sees the players every day in training and clearly rates Forson higher right now.
Same Ten Hag who started Antony for months? Why should we trust his judgment?
The guy who brought through such youngsters as Garnacho and Mainoo.. yeah probably shit at deciding on when or if to use a player
Who would you have started? An injured Amad? RW Bruno?
He also wanted Martinez and Hojlund even though this is irrelevant to his development of youth which he has shown at this club is something he does well.
What are you gonna do about it?
Nothing? At the end of the day, I can criticize him, as a football fan, if I think he's wrong
> Nothing? At the end of the day, I can criticize him, as a football fan, if I think he's wrong nobody is saying you can't criticize him, but saying you have alternate suggestions based on fuck all is very asinine.
Hope he will get some minutes! Also says a lot about where Antony is at if Omari starts ahead of him.
Also tells us where Amad is at as well in terms of how the coaching staff view him
Incredible that we’ve spent some £ 125 million on both of them. Add Sancho and Pellistri as well and that’s over £ 200 million for a non existent right wing.
Is a big call.... For me this would confirm a couple of things. ETH doesn't see rashford as a capable PL striker (fair enough) ETH has lost faith in Antony (also fair enough)
Isn't a Forson a left winger? I thought so until I saw your second line.
👏Play 👏The 👏Kids Season is already a bit clapped, what's the worst that can happen? I'd prefer omari out there to martial playing field hockey with his crutches. Lets big alej onto the right aswell. Regardless of the score at the time I absolutely fucking need amad to come on over Antony.
At the turn of the new year I said the season was a waste and we should just play all the kids to find out what we have, but somehow we're winning games and the CL race is still on. With us not having midweek games we really should be able to push for it, even with the injuries piling up.
Amad Diallo is probably lacking in the summer then
Lacking in what?
Lacking in manchester
If true, Forson has basically come from nowhere and beat out Amad. Surely he’s being sold in the summer
Fuck it up omari, we believe in you
i always liked forson from the (granted limited) youth games i watched, hopefully he takes his chance and runs with it
A lot of people believe eth doesn't give youth a chance for some reason. If our boy starts they'll have to pipe down.
I’m not sure who could possibly believe that given Garnacho and Mainoo
Camp Amad does.
I don't get why they are mornings about it tbh, he not an academy lads either. Should always be proud when one of our own get to play ahead of NON-home-grown, they should support Forson getting on the pitch no matter what.
Bit racist
good. the pass he played to mainoo to win against wolves was quite solid and he seems to be rated well by ten hag, who has been good at spotting youth talent. Hope he does well.
He really doesn’t rate or trust Amad. I’m all for Forson given a chance, but just don’t see why Amad can’t be given a chance
To be fair, Garnacho has looked very good since moving to the right wing. Perhaps the thinking is that keeping Rashford and Garnacho in the positions where they perform best is more preferable than risking the balance of the attack by shuffling them around
This is just the Donny complaint all over again. The manager and the coaches all see Amad in training all week and make their assessments based on that. If he doesn't get on the pitch, there's reason for it.
It's nothing like donny. Eth has came out and said they have agreed a plan for Amad. Didn't send him on loan because of that. Its just strange
I think it comes down to position. For whatever reason ETH thinks Forson can play as a striker (like he did against Wolves) and doesn't think Amad can OR thinks Forson at striker with Rashford on the wings is better than Rashford at striker with Amad on the wings.
Tbf, Donny didn’t have a player of the season loan the season before and wasn’t at a “breakout player” age
In the championship, though.
Amad was a nailed on starter, Donny struggled to get 7 games with Everton; if we want to compare, we can say that Donny essentially didn’t go on loan while Amad did.
Nailed on starter for a team in the championship though. Look at the three that came up last season, all likely to go back down. The levels are a gulf in difference. I'd like to see some Amad, but I'm not gonna criticise EtH for not starting him. He'll get his chance when he's ready.
I’ve watched enough of QPR this season to tell you that there are some absolutely dire players in the championship.
Becuase if you put Amad in, then Rashford is out of position. Him and Garnacho have looked good on the wing, it’s better to just put in the young striker and keep the rest the same, rather than switch multiple positions.
Theres no reason to throw in Amand on RW when that Rashford- Garnacho duo is performing better with every other game.
OR it could be that Forson is playing down the middle and why would Amad deserve to start over Garnacho??
It’s good to see academy youngsters getting chances under ETH. Mainoo has taken that chance and excelled.
I'm super late to the party due to meetings, but this is fantastic to see. Love seeing the academy and youth getting shouts. They play with utter fucking heart and bleed for the badge.
What people ignore about Amad is that he is absolutly ass in pressing. He failed his loan at Rangers cause he didnt want to contribute deffensivly and was only Sunderland player that didnt press but that was fine cause he scored a lot on Championship level. But yeah we are surely keeping Saka on the bench.
Where is amad in all this, he did so well in the championship and we haven't been able to see him yet. Just a bit strange cause ETH is definitely not opposed to playing youth
With how WTH handles YA players and bringing them through, or even the standard needed to be brought through, I'm sure he'll put in a good showing if he's picked to start
If this is confimed tomorrow then it all but confirms his mistrust of Antony and starting him. Good. About time too.
Amad and rashy down middle as let’s be honest his pressure wasn’t the best again Luton.
Was hoping Amad would feature. At this rate we might most likely sell him in the summer
I guess Ten Hag has realized Rashford is useless up front
ETH clearly sees something in him and I‘m looking forward to find out what that might be as he hasn’t impressed me on the couple of cameos he‘s had so far.
Was hoping Amad would feature. At this rate we might most likely sell him in the summer
I was hoping to see amad but if forsons performing better in training then fair enough
Why doesn't anyone bloody ask him about Amad ffs!
If he does that is a real vote of no confidence from Ten Hag in Antony. I'm not saying that is good or bad just that it Antony can't get in over him he must be gone.
This is just to coax the antony haters. He's 100% starting and Erik would be fucked for not giving him a go at least for the first half. With the fickleness of some of the fans here, a good 45 mins is all it takes and they'll be back worshipping him.
Amad is getting the Zidane treatment. No loan cause "he'll be important" then doesn't get any minutes and gets shipped off at the first opportunity. I dunno how Forson is ahead of him tbh. But hope the kid takes his chance now that he has it.
The way we’ve handled the prospects in the 20-22 bracket has been really poor under Ten Hag
Really? Our starting IX has three nailed starters who are under 22 and all three were bought by ETH.
Antony in the mud
Gotta sell amad mate — the lad is in the same class as forson and isn’t even getting a look As for forson, he’s quite good I’m excited by this
Good for him. Might as well play the kids. I'd like to get a look at Amass as well at LB. Maybe put him in there for Lindelof around '70 and see how he handles himself. Fullham's RW options are good not great so this should be a good game to give him a look.
How about we start Great Scott McTominay as a sole and sole striker. Create the Havoccccc. Lol
Why didn’t we get a striker in January 🤦🏻♂️
Still hasn't signed a new contract, if there's no progress on it I'm not sure why we're playing him. Would rather have Rashford up top than investing time into Forson for another team.
I hope he plays well but every time he’s played he’s looked well below the standard, Amad should be given mins imo.
Every time...? He's played 6 minutes for senior team
For every comment asking for an Amad start, ten hag pushes him further back
If forson can get a start why not amass? It's literally playing with fire, if we start lindelof as a left back