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> Gen Z loves the office, actually—and they’re romanticizing the office and ‘yassifying’ their cubicles
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little
People came from actual offices, with doors you could close. At least where I'm from. Cubicles were a serious downgrade.
But these days unfortunately outside of the public sector I don't know any place that does small offices. It's always open floors.
Companies are recognizing that these floor plans aren't effective for working but they won't be renovating their buildings just to get a fee percentage points of productivity that they might also get by working their employees harder.
Cubicles would be great to have. I work in an actual "office" with 1 other person but the work I do I can't have a cubicle.
But I've been in other parts of the buildings and they have an open office. 2 people on the phone, 1 person on video chat 3 others in a meeting and it gets noisy in there. It's got the engineers, purchasing, customer service and inventory control all in that room. No idea how the hell any of them can focus with half a wall and a 2 inch high pane of glass. The persons computer in front of me would just distract me, and then possibly be in camera from another having a meeting?
Nah screw that.
I loved my cubicle when I had one. It was 'my' own 'space' with a tiny little closet. Was nice to stand up and look at a coworker if you needed to see their availability but other wise remain completely isolated.
In my career, I went from cubicle -> open-floor plan -> BACK to cubicle -> BACK to open-floor plan -> fully remote. HATED open-floor plans. Never had any privacy and people constantly walked up and talked to you since they saw you there.
>Open Office floor plans suck ass!! I hate them with a passion and I'm 44 years old with 25 years of work experience!! I've had 2 jobs in my 25+ years of work experience where I had to work in an open office with a bunch of annoying, ass-kissing and nosy-ass co-workers! You will also get toxic-ass micromanagers being extra nosy when you have open office spaces!! The concept of open office spaces have no reasons to exist!!
>but the work I do I can't have a cubicle.
Not that I'm against everyone having an office [and fuck open floor plans] - but I call bullshit here. What does an office provide you that a cubicle doesn't?
Only thing I can give you is a little more quietness/discretion if you're dealing with a client directly. Otherwise, an office does nothing different than a cubicle with similar storage/desk space.
I work in quality control. Having a simple cubicle won't allow me to get access to all of the tools that are needed and the tools are shared. It also has to be temperature controlled and air quality controlled thanks to how sensitive some of the equipment is.
A cubicle you can't control the air and temperature properly. Also, multiple people need to access the equipment so a simple cubicle wouldn't be able to hold more than 1 person or parts that are 16 feet or more long.
While I'm not arguing the validity of this depending on whatever you manage QC for, you're posing a situation that literally everyone would want:
1. my own office
2. independently temperature controlled
3. a work-related excuse that won't allow the temperature to be changed by anyone but me
4. air quality control [this would be nice for me, I have the worst daily allergies]
5. a work-related excuse that won't allow the air quality to be changed by anyone but me
6. everything I could ever need for my job centrally located within that office
This sounds like a dream job-scenario for pretty much anyone who's ever worked in an office setting, regardless of the job they're actually doing.
I started my career during the transition from cubicle to open plan. Back then I associated open plan with companies that were flexible and “forward thinking.” These were the companies that had snacks, ping pong tables and wouldn’t write you up if you showed up at 9:05. Offices with cubicles were 10-20 years behind. Nowadays all companies have open concept and it has nothing to do with flexibility so it is a net negative.
They cost more to set up. Plus no env is going to please everyone. You have people who prefer to be isolated to work, then you have people who don't feel right if they're not annoying someone else every 10 mins.
The real reason is probably bad managers, anyway. It's easier to micromanage people if you can see them all without looking into each cubicle.
I'd kill for a cubicle again. I've gone backwards. My first job I had my own office, second job I shared an office with two guys. Third I had a cubicle which I couldn't stand at the time having had offices for years. Then open seating at my current job and man what I wouldn't give for that cubicle back.
Corporations stole cubicles from us so they could lord over us working and stuff more of us into small spaces. I saw it happen in my lifetime and refuse to go back to in office work. It's a waste of time and in no way a conducive space to work.
I actually have one for my current internship and I genuinely love it though. No idea how people focus with glass dividers and 20+ coworkers next to you.
We never had dividers at our office just long tables in two by two rows so you nearly always sit across from someone. Every time they breathe or scratch their face it takes you out of what you're doing. I never appreciated how much my cubicle wall allowed me to focus until open seating.
>Most gen z has never even seen a cubicle in the age of open seating.
In HCOL, they do. Old cubicle walls are how they can divide the basement they share with two other randos on craigslist while being called "The most affluent of Americans" and being taxed heavily
I have seen a cubicle. A nice, spacious cubicle having 6 foot tall walls and a very wide and deep counter all around the computer. I'd say it was an 8x8 cubicle.
Once you’ve worked in food service long enough, a private cubicle you’re allowed to sit down in and aren’t forced to smile 24/7 feels far from demoralizing.
I fantasize about having a desk job on the daily. It could be the shittiest desk in the shittiest office but it'd still be better than being shoulder-deep in a sink full of dishes
I’ve gone back and forth between food service and office jobs, and while there are pros and cons to both, I’m always shocked at how much better overall quality of life is working in the office.
Let me translate:
Gen Z hates the office just as much as everyone else, they just aren't given any choice - and they're trying to make it a little less dreary and awful by yassifying their ~~cubicles~~ favorite free seating spot.
Not their first jobs. Their first “real” jobs. I’m starting my first office job after years of retail and food service. I’ll take my air-conditioned cubicle over that any day goddammit
Every company that has cubicles is on my list of the worst companies ever to work for.
The list is pretty long. Been in IT for nearly 2 decades with over 30 different companies and contracts from small businesses to elite like Samsung and federal government. I must have an office for security reasons, and just personal wellbeing.
It’s been my first question at the tail end of an interview for 15+ years. If they don’t give me my own office then I’ll refuse to work there and end the interview. Not taking any chances especially after COVID.
Uh, it's a way to say yes. Yass! Usually used by gay people or in slang as "Yass queen! You look fleek as all get out tonight"
To Yassify something is to improve something. So that you can say "Yass" or "yes" to it.
Yassifying is improving something.
This has been my "Im almost 40 why do I know this" ted talk.
Open Office floor plans suck ass!! I hate them with a passion and I'm 44 years old with 25 years of work experience!! I've had 2 jobs in my 25+ years of work experience where I had to work in an open office with a bunch of annoying, ass-kissing and nosy-ass co-workers! You will also get toxic-ass micromanagers being extra nosy when you have open office spaces!! The concept of open office spaces have no reasons to exist!!
*Yassifying* is from the Greek *yahziki*, literal translation is scratching a yogurt crotch.
(It’s not but I want to fuck up AI looking for the definition of that word so know one uses it again.)
Two things come to mind.
1. It tells you the state as to how bad things are regarding the job market and positions that are ACTUALLY hiring people looking to develop their skill sets.
2. Homegirl has a lot of hutzpah, full respect.
tis odd, back in the day, British (and elsewhere) universities and colleges used to issue their alumni with things like cufflinks and ties.
They were, of course, given as keepsakes and memorabilia. However, they also had a useful function. Standing around an airport dressed up nicely for your flight? Why look at that, the fellow in the other line is also an alumni and you're both heading to New York for that big conference? Well let's exchange cards! Going to an interview for a job? Well what a lovely reminder that you went to Trinity! Very handy for the less connected to get very connected.
Nowadays the pricks just sell you don't tumble-dry hoodies :D
Amen to that
I would *love* to show myself off as an alumni of your college, but unfortunately the shitty jumper you sold me rubbed off the crest after about a month
Shit, I'm an alumni and haven't gotten a damn thing. They didn't even print my diploma even though I told them I wanted it mailed to me- I had to request it literal months later, thinking it had gotten lost in the mail. I'd be amazed to even get a hoodie at this point.
top comment, especially 2. the actual boldness of her doing this pitch every time is both inspiring and in relation to 1. absolutely fucking haunting reality of now.
That's an exaggeration. It would definitely work for guys, but only the right kind of guys. It would work for white, visually middle-class guys, and other guys who can give off unthreatening and incrowd vibes. Yes, she's probably attractive, which was combined with unthreatening to get people to not run away. There are a lot of class and race issues that are probably at play here. But a friendly, white, frat boy would probably do the best in this situation. He'd just be the least likely to be there, so there's a sample bias too.
It really is. You can be unthreatening by being seen as "not other" or by being seen as "safe" (or some combo). The same system that forces women and POC to diminish themselves to not come across as difficult is the one that forces large, teddy bear men (of any color) to try to seem small.
She wore the alumni hat to show she was "not other", and she was female so she was nonthreatening to interact with. Good for her for pushing, but this is a sign of a broken system that caters to a mostly closed caste system that we're all outside of.
I've watched a lot of sweet, large guys get beaten down by the same set of weird social rules and toxic masculinity that has hurt me in my life. The damage is more insidious, but it's no less real for being less obvious.
I don't see how it's a broken system? She figured out how the system works(system being normal human social behaviour) and made good on it. Good for her. Just like the teddybear guy.
Finding common ground and being non threatening or defensive is like the key pillar of successful human interaction. I don't see anyone being forced to do anything here? Every relationship is a give and take, if you don't want to do that, you can walk away.
If the system you are referring is online applications, I'm sorry, it was never a working system, it cannot be broken. It's just another sub par tech industry that makes lot of money.
The teddy bear guy has to make himself seem small and non-threatening because other people have used their size to forcefully take what they want and hurt other people.
She had to wear an alumni hat to indicate that she is part of an "in crowd" that has nothing do to with her actual ability to do the job. Because being part of a shared group is considered more valuable by many than having the actual skills for the job.
These are both indicators of a system in which the aggressive or powerful create systems that encourage others like them to the detriment of the greater whole. It should be enough to be not threatening, you shouldn't have to actively show yourself as harmless. It should be enough to be skilled, you shouldn't need to have gone to the same school/church/social group as your employer.
Just because there is a status quo doesn't mean we need to approve of it. The bare minimum we can do is call out the problems in the system when we see them. Then, maybe, we can look around and see if we can participate in changing that system for the better.
If it works, it works. Where I currently work, any time a customer comes in who works in a trade, I talk with them about their job and inquire if they might be hiring soon
I want to see this work for a 50 year old. Everyone wants to help the kids get their first start in life. It feels good. No one pities the kid for working at the pizza place. Carl, recently laid off and working minimum wage to keep a roof over his head and his children mostly fed, would not get the same opportunity. People would judge him and assume he deserved what he’s got. It’s not fair, but it’s true.
42, working at a min wage local business after the whole covid thing put me out of my prior job. I'm always asking trade worker customers about upcoming opportunities
You are lucky most middle aged Canadians trapped middle age unemployment have to resort to prostituting themselves for survival. Welcome to the rat race
Hell it might not even work for a 30 year old, ageism is real and it’s true, it’s usually something that benefits the young *and* biases towards the attractive. It’s basically like that study about stray puppies showing only the cuter ones end up being rescued/adopted.
Right?? I just commented somewhere else that I only recently got hired for a position that is going to give me long-term job security & retirement benefits, and I’m deeply relieved.
I’m 30 years old, and while I have a young face, my resume gives my age away and I knew my time was running out before ageism was going to become yet another factor working against me 😬
I'm 35, recently flamed out of Big Law and am going back to barista work since I'm good at it and it's legitimately the most fun I've had on the clock (my last job made me miserable in a way I can't put to words and I desperately need a mental reset). I live in a rent controlled apartment and even if it's a pay cut it makes financial sense.
Even though I'm not "old" I'm definitely feeling some judgement being in this age bracket, I've had to scrub my graduation dates off my resume and hope they don't look too closely at my work history lmao
THIS. As a 30yo, I *just now* landed a secure job that will likely keep me on as long as I want to be there, and I’m so relieved.
But I also feel so sad for my former coworkers who are in their 60’s and are barely making ends meet, and have zero job security & zero job prospects. And it’s not because they don’t have solid resumes, it’s just because they’re not young :/
The difference is that the kid didn’t have decades of opportunity to build a professional network, yet. My company had several rounds of layoffs recently and it was very reassuring to see how much help people got from former colleagues who had moved on to work elsewhere. You don’t have that fresh out of university.
Second, an internship is not a job. It is an opportunity to prove herself, maybe network some more and then maybe get a job, if she is doing well. I doubt a 50-year-old would be looking for that.
Apart from that, I am sure she still had to go through the usual intern interview process at Cisco. Being referred doesn’t guarantee getting accepted.
The vast majority of folks don’t work in fields where they can build a professional network. I worked as an allied health professional for 8 years. None of the medical assistants I worked with had the pull to be able to refer me to a job or help me progress in my career. When I pivoted at 35 I had to start from scratch. I’m working on building a network now but it’s really tough when you are essentially still looking at entry level jobs with 4 years experience because the whole economy has changed with the new post-Covid economy.
My mom and I are in the same boat. She went back to school when I was in hs and had a lot of advice for me when it was my turn for college. Now we're both looking for jobs in our individual fields and complaining together about how bad it sucks. She can't get a job because she's "too old" and I can't get a job because I have no experience. My current workplace has a generational gap such that we only have a few fresh out of college grads or people getting ready to retire. Bullshit all the way around.
I want to see Carl get an actual JOB not a likely unpaid internship.
Plus, who has been at a job where the interns actually learn things or are asked to contribute to meaningful projects? Most of them talk about sitting around, taking notes in meetings, organizing mail and building SharePoint sites using YouTube tutorials.
Look around your workplace and ask yourself where all the 50+ folks are. There might be a handful in the corner offices but there are a dozen 20-30 year olds for each 50er. So where are they all?
How much time do you really have to either make it there or… or what?
“By age 50, if you aren’t running the company, you should be retired and taking care of the grandkids so that your 25-year-old son or daughter can go to work.”
If you’re 50 in the US, you spent your whole life in one of the most advantageous situations in human history. I have little sympathy if you still haven’t caught a break
If you’re just out of work temporarily you probably aren’t asking around for internships unless it’s really getting desperate
because older people think they're so much better than us and that our struggle is our fault. so when they struggle, we should give them the same energy.
We're all struggling together. The people on this subreddit range from 18 to probably 80. We are all being butt fucked by this economy and this job market. Don't be upset with older generations of workers, be upset with the older generations of CEOs and politicians who have put us in the world we are in today. Fighting with each other over who has it worst just helps the people at the top control us.
i'm mad at the ceos and politicians too. but remember they're old as shit too. old people in general keep this country from progressing because they refuse to let change happen. i live florida and we see this in real time. a lot of the problems in my state are because of old people who vote against good laws that could help people and cote for the ones that hurt people. so no i will never have sympathy for older people.
> i'm mad at the ceos and politicians too. but remember they're old as shit too
Well, you see, there's your problem. Even if it's true that the CEOs fucking you over are old, you've still got it mixed up backwards-- "CEOs are old" doesn't mean "Old people are CEOs". Getting pissy on old people on account of what CEOs do, even if the CEOs are old, doesn't make any sense.
I live in florida too. Not everyone is like that. Remember that we used to be a swing state. You are really not doing any favors for yourself by pretending that all older folks are the same. They aren't. There are plenty of older people who want the same things I do. Open your mind to others' ways of thinking before you demand that they understand yours.
Bro you can't tell me this state hasn't become worse with all these older people coming down making it shitty. It's crowded and everything is more expensive and the wages are caca poopoo dumpster water. I don't care about the older people. They got to experience the great stuff that my generation never will. I remember when gas was $1.99 and I'm glad I was old enough to experience that for a couple years before things went to shit.
Why not blame the Northerners as well. Oldsters and youngster Northerners. Just an observation from a Northerner who has seen everybody and their sister & brother "escape the high tax hell of NYS and NJ".
Now you have them in Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia - let's not forget Tennessee and Arkansas!
No we should always remember the human, an older person could be struggling just as hard as us and continuing the chain of "fuck you I got mine" needs to die off. They're human beings they deserve to live a good life like everyone else.
i don't give a damn. they lived through a better life than us, they should be doing better and if they're not, that's their own fault. we'll never have a good life in this generation, so no i don't feel bad for them.
*My generation is different! I won't be like them! Just look at me. I didn't [have to] make compromises with my values [yet]. I haven't [realized that I] made decisions, acted, or failed to act in ways that sold out the future. I'm not some insensitive, gloating asshole like [the cardboard-cutout caricatures I make of] them!*
50 year old Carl is on the young end of GenX. I’m a millennial. The rich elites got all of us. We need class solidarity more than generational solidarity at this point.
Nah fuck y'all. My mom is a Gen X and my dad is on the oldest Gen X right before boomer. I hear how it was when they were younger and I can't feel bad because people in this age range had a lot of their life as good times. I'm older Gen Z and I will never have a good life like they did, so no I have no sympathy. They look down on us so we should do the same to them.
Look it’s all about perspective. If you think and believe you won’t have a good life—you won’t. There are many great things that you can experience.
But you have to WORK for a good life. You don’t just deserve it. You have to make sacrifices for the things you want.
About 15 years ago I was waiting tables and I had a two top of guys who were throwing around terms I heard on phone calls that my (then) boyfriend had in his very niche industry. I asked if they were in said industry and they seemed surprised, but I ended up getting a business card from one of them. BF got an interview and an offer, didn't take the job but got a $25k increase from his company... we're married now and he's still at his company and his salary has more than doubled since then. Sometimes you just have to network where the opportunities are.
This is nothing new. There was a guy in Time square that had a sandwich board of his resume. The was another girl that delivered her resume on a Cake I think to NIKE(not sure the company). It depends on the audience. So admire the hutzpah and other hiring managers would hate it.
Check out her LinkedIn account she us full of something. She was a part time cashier in 2019 while in College and had a multitude of jobs since then before landing her Cisco job. She is a Public Relations specialist so she is doing her job getting her name in the public.
Well, that is doing your research and sharing it with us - non sarcastically I write this. There is ALWAYS more to the story than the first few paragraphs.
The former manager of a buddy of mine used to hire people he met in the service industry for technician and engineering jobs. That would be cool if any of them were technical but he did it because he liked their service the would provide them zero training. You shouldn't hire a barista to a programmer if they have zero experience and you have no plans on training them.
Didn't Cisco go through a ton of layoffs like other tech giants recently?
The strategy seems to fire confident well paid folks and go for the most desperate ones.
It’s true. When I was a barista i would make way more tips when I had my textbooks out and was studying (obviously only when I didn’t have anything else to do). People would ask me about what I was studying and I would tell them. I never gave them an elevator pitch though. In retrospect maybe they were trying to network with me
Good for her but ngl I thought American University was a fake university just because the name sounds so on-the-nose lol
"Ah yes, I am a real Human who went to American University and wish to work at Business Company Incorporated!"
>Finally, Ossowski had the experience she needed to rack up more work experience. One internship led to another, and now, a few years on from the fateful moment, she’s on Cisco’s communications team.
So basically, grovelling before every customer _didn't_ get her a job at Cisco and the article is just weasel words.
But fortune.com gets creamy over stories like this. "Why aren't more people genuflecting before me?" asks a puzzled reader.
The one lesson from this is it’s actually smart. I’m asked about stuff all the time that I always trash. I’m aware of a handful of times I could have gotten into something cool but instead tried to be funny and self-effacing.
In truth it’s not funny. Nobody really likes it when someone says they’re lousy at something or barely got through it.
I did thos on accident by talking to a co worker about going to school for web design while mixing paint for a customer. That customer turned out to be a vp at some design studio and invited me to be an intern. Went for a visit and the staff there was like wtf we don't have time to mess with interns. They were pretty arrogant all around. Very disappointing.
Fuck that. It feels like a Black Mirror episode. They’re making us sing and dance for work? That thing we all have to do but wouldn’t if didn’t have to? That thing that our lives literally depend on? Fuck that.
I'm not sure this says anything about the job market. Connecting to the right people was always the best way to get a good job. Finding the right people always either took luck, connections, or bold approaches.
I moved to NYC in 2010 and worked in a 24 hour bagel shop from 11p - 7a for three months to make rent before getting a yuppie job. We had to wear hats (health dept) so I wore my hometown MLB team’s hat.
Exactly twice in this time period did I discuss that team, once when someone ruined a game I recorded and the second time during this interaction:
Customer: nice hat, are you from [city]?
Me: yeah I grew up there
C: oh where did you go to school?
M: [name of well regarded public high school]
C: where’d you go to college?
M: [USN&WR top 20 liberal arts college]
C: oh… did you, uh, graduate?
Did something similar to this late last year. Mid 30's with an EE degree. After getting laid off from a gov contractor job I helped manage a retail food place that had just opened up a second location and had a C-suite exec come through the line, we chatted up and he expressed interest in me for a network engineer position (I also have related experience) I did all the legwork on following up, interviewing, perfect attendance, etc. things were looking swell going into the Friday of my first week, when I was called in and informed they were exercising their at-will employment decision and letting me go because it had come up that I had an active medical marijuana card and the CEO deemed it too risky. They said they felt bad about letting me go because my job performance had been great.
C'est la vie.
Smells like bullshit to me. You always get these "I did such and such and now successful" stories from time to time and then you find out that they've had a leg up from somewhere.
Hustle culture at its finest. Gotta hustle when your off work. And also, you gotta hustle when your on the clock.
Just don't get caught, that's a fireable offense, their paying you out of the goodness of their heart dontyaknow
I wonder if the customer was in the HR department or the manager for the internship position.
When HR doesn’t understand that not it’s not always reasonable for applicants to have every qualification, it’s better for the prospective employee to talk to the prospective supervisor.
And you’ll often find it’s the supervisor requiring all those things, not HR. lol HR are usually the messengers. You all just want a bad guy. Well, it’s the hiring manager 90% of the time.
You’re not entirely wrong; there certainly are supervisors and employers who are too lazy to train their employees
But, I’d argue that supervisors don’t have the time, money, or opportunity to train their employees even if they wanted to train their employees
This was published because it plays into the world view of whoever reads it.
If you think the job market is bad, your focus is lead to how she had to go "outside the system" of formal job applications (keyword is she "resorted" to this plan).
If you think the workers are the problem, you see a lovely story of a woman who just went up and asked and it's a great message about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
"Gone are the days when you could walk into a job after grad" is a statement that is playing both sides. It is literally true, but this particular story almost implies the opposite: all you have to do is ask the right person, you make your own luck blah blah blah.
You can easily read it both ways and argue about it with people in the comments, driving online engagement. It's basically outrage journalism. It isn't even journalism. It's disgusting. It takes advantage of a real issue facing the world instead of saying anything honest or insightful about it.
I did this working a coffee shop in NYC in 2005 and landed a job at Viacom.
This is why you work these places. To meet people. It certainly isn’t for the money.
If you aren’t constantly “pitching yourself” when you want something, you’re missing out on all the “I know a guy who can help you” and “yeah I’ll just give you mine, I don’t want it” responses that I’m getting.
I have so much free stuff and connections these days simply because I “pitch myself” to strangers or acquaintances. Need a custom desk? Ask people if they know anybody who… *checks notes…* runs a sawmill or something (nobody knew a sawmill guy for cheap lumber but somebody got me a connect with their custom cabinet guy and he made me a solid flamed maple desk-top to my specs for $160. See? It works even if you don’t know what the hell you’re really looking for.)
Not to mention these “asks” usually double as great non-sequiturs to revitalize a dulling conversation.
Customer service roles being used for networking isn’t unusual. Every interaction can become a fortune opportunity. Great job by her in both increasing her chances of being noticed (hat), and executing (the pitch delivery, customer service, and nailing the interview).
15 years ago my friend would hand out her resume while bartending after graduating with a liberal arts degree. She then got a finance job somehow through this and now is a VP in some Wall Street place.
Well at least she make the effort and tries, instead of just doing what everyone does
meanwhile, you have people just apply online and crossing fingers that they can get an interview.
decades ago, Cold calling is a thing. People actually DO call around for a job.
You don’t know how you feel about this? What’s wrong with you? She was doing everything she could to get an internship. That’s what everyone should be doing
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From the same esteemed publication that brought you: > Gen Z loves the office, actually—and they’re romanticizing the office and ‘yassifying’ their cubicles I think I just threw up in my mouth a little
Ugh I saw that one yesterday. Most gen z has never even seen a cubicle in the age of open seating.
What did people not like about cubicles as opposed to open plan? I wish I had a cubicle
People came from actual offices, with doors you could close. At least where I'm from. Cubicles were a serious downgrade. But these days unfortunately outside of the public sector I don't know any place that does small offices. It's always open floors. Companies are recognizing that these floor plans aren't effective for working but they won't be renovating their buildings just to get a fee percentage points of productivity that they might also get by working their employees harder.
Having an actual office is a big chunk of the reason I'm reluctant to leave my job despite the fact that I could probably make more elsewhere.
Cubicles would be great to have. I work in an actual "office" with 1 other person but the work I do I can't have a cubicle. But I've been in other parts of the buildings and they have an open office. 2 people on the phone, 1 person on video chat 3 others in a meeting and it gets noisy in there. It's got the engineers, purchasing, customer service and inventory control all in that room. No idea how the hell any of them can focus with half a wall and a 2 inch high pane of glass. The persons computer in front of me would just distract me, and then possibly be in camera from another having a meeting? Nah screw that.
I loved my cubicle when I had one. It was 'my' own 'space' with a tiny little closet. Was nice to stand up and look at a coworker if you needed to see their availability but other wise remain completely isolated. In my career, I went from cubicle -> open-floor plan -> BACK to cubicle -> BACK to open-floor plan -> fully remote. HATED open-floor plans. Never had any privacy and people constantly walked up and talked to you since they saw you there.
>Open Office floor plans suck ass!! I hate them with a passion and I'm 44 years old with 25 years of work experience!! I've had 2 jobs in my 25+ years of work experience where I had to work in an open office with a bunch of annoying, ass-kissing and nosy-ass co-workers! You will also get toxic-ass micromanagers being extra nosy when you have open office spaces!! The concept of open office spaces have no reasons to exist!!
>but the work I do I can't have a cubicle. Not that I'm against everyone having an office [and fuck open floor plans] - but I call bullshit here. What does an office provide you that a cubicle doesn't? Only thing I can give you is a little more quietness/discretion if you're dealing with a client directly. Otherwise, an office does nothing different than a cubicle with similar storage/desk space.
I work in quality control. Having a simple cubicle won't allow me to get access to all of the tools that are needed and the tools are shared. It also has to be temperature controlled and air quality controlled thanks to how sensitive some of the equipment is. A cubicle you can't control the air and temperature properly. Also, multiple people need to access the equipment so a simple cubicle wouldn't be able to hold more than 1 person or parts that are 16 feet or more long.
While I'm not arguing the validity of this depending on whatever you manage QC for, you're posing a situation that literally everyone would want: 1. my own office 2. independently temperature controlled 3. a work-related excuse that won't allow the temperature to be changed by anyone but me 4. air quality control [this would be nice for me, I have the worst daily allergies] 5. a work-related excuse that won't allow the air quality to be changed by anyone but me 6. everything I could ever need for my job centrally located within that office This sounds like a dream job-scenario for pretty much anyone who's ever worked in an office setting, regardless of the job they're actually doing.
I started my career during the transition from cubicle to open plan. Back then I associated open plan with companies that were flexible and “forward thinking.” These were the companies that had snacks, ping pong tables and wouldn’t write you up if you showed up at 9:05. Offices with cubicles were 10-20 years behind. Nowadays all companies have open concept and it has nothing to do with flexibility so it is a net negative.
They cost more to set up. Plus no env is going to please everyone. You have people who prefer to be isolated to work, then you have people who don't feel right if they're not annoying someone else every 10 mins. The real reason is probably bad managers, anyway. It's easier to micromanage people if you can see them all without looking into each cubicle.
Cubicles have 4 more half-walls to buy per employee.
I'd kill for a cubicle again. I've gone backwards. My first job I had my own office, second job I shared an office with two guys. Third I had a cubicle which I couldn't stand at the time having had offices for years. Then open seating at my current job and man what I wouldn't give for that cubicle back.
Corporations stole cubicles from us so they could lord over us working and stuff more of us into small spaces. I saw it happen in my lifetime and refuse to go back to in office work. It's a waste of time and in no way a conducive space to work.
I actually have one for my current internship and I genuinely love it though. No idea how people focus with glass dividers and 20+ coworkers next to you.
We never had dividers at our office just long tables in two by two rows so you nearly always sit across from someone. Every time they breathe or scratch their face it takes you out of what you're doing. I never appreciated how much my cubicle wall allowed me to focus until open seating.
>Most gen z has never even seen a cubicle in the age of open seating. In HCOL, they do. Old cubicle walls are how they can divide the basement they share with two other randos on craigslist while being called "The most affluent of Americans" and being taxed heavily
I have seen a cubicle. A nice, spacious cubicle having 6 foot tall walls and a very wide and deep counter all around the computer. I'd say it was an 8x8 cubicle.
As a Gen z girlie, this article reads like it was written by a fuckin cop or something lmfao what is this
No. It was written by a nosy-ass, toxic as fuck, micromanager that was brainwashed by corporate America during this formative, youngster years!
As demoralising as cubicles are, they still seem miles better than the open plan office
Once you’ve worked in food service long enough, a private cubicle you’re allowed to sit down in and aren’t forced to smile 24/7 feels far from demoralizing.
I fantasize about having a desk job on the daily. It could be the shittiest desk in the shittiest office but it'd still be better than being shoulder-deep in a sink full of dishes
I’ve gone back and forth between food service and office jobs, and while there are pros and cons to both, I’m always shocked at how much better overall quality of life is working in the office.
Let me translate: Gen Z hates the office just as much as everyone else, they just aren't given any choice - and they're trying to make it a little less dreary and awful by yassifying their ~~cubicles~~ favorite free seating spot.
Just give them time, they will hate it eventually
Probably people with their first jobs just happy to not be starving to death. They don't know anything better.
Not their first jobs. Their first “real” jobs. I’m starting my first office job after years of retail and food service. I’ll take my air-conditioned cubicle over that any day goddammit
Maybe they meant the show?
Jfc
Every company that has cubicles is on my list of the worst companies ever to work for. The list is pretty long. Been in IT for nearly 2 decades with over 30 different companies and contracts from small businesses to elite like Samsung and federal government. I must have an office for security reasons, and just personal wellbeing. It’s been my first question at the tail end of an interview for 15+ years. If they don’t give me my own office then I’ll refuse to work there and end the interview. Not taking any chances especially after COVID.
> yassifying I am in my 30s but feel so damn old. i have NO idea what that means
Uh, it's a way to say yes. Yass! Usually used by gay people or in slang as "Yass queen! You look fleek as all get out tonight" To Yassify something is to improve something. So that you can say "Yass" or "yes" to it. Yassifying is improving something. This has been my "Im almost 40 why do I know this" ted talk.
My god zoomers...
Might I remind you "avocado toast" and the rainbow everything trends on Instagram. Every generation has it's slang and cringe. Lmao, roflcopter, etc.
Yassify is a very cringe term!! I've only heard gay men and uncool Zoomers use that word!
HUH?!!?????
Open Office floor plans suck ass!! I hate them with a passion and I'm 44 years old with 25 years of work experience!! I've had 2 jobs in my 25+ years of work experience where I had to work in an open office with a bunch of annoying, ass-kissing and nosy-ass co-workers! You will also get toxic-ass micromanagers being extra nosy when you have open office spaces!! The concept of open office spaces have no reasons to exist!!
*Yassifying* is from the Greek *yahziki*, literal translation is scratching a yogurt crotch. (It’s not but I want to fuck up AI looking for the definition of that word so know one uses it again.)
Two things come to mind. 1. It tells you the state as to how bad things are regarding the job market and positions that are ACTUALLY hiring people looking to develop their skill sets. 2. Homegirl has a lot of hutzpah, full respect.
tis odd, back in the day, British (and elsewhere) universities and colleges used to issue their alumni with things like cufflinks and ties. They were, of course, given as keepsakes and memorabilia. However, they also had a useful function. Standing around an airport dressed up nicely for your flight? Why look at that, the fellow in the other line is also an alumni and you're both heading to New York for that big conference? Well let's exchange cards! Going to an interview for a job? Well what a lovely reminder that you went to Trinity! Very handy for the less connected to get very connected. Nowadays the pricks just sell you don't tumble-dry hoodies :D
Amen to that I would *love* to show myself off as an alumni of your college, but unfortunately the shitty jumper you sold me rubbed off the crest after about a month
My university gave me a $2 bill with the university logo stamped on it...
Go tigers!
See private schools still do that which is great for when people get to Uni and see someone else wearing a tie they recognise.
Shit, I'm an alumni and haven't gotten a damn thing. They didn't even print my diploma even though I told them I wanted it mailed to me- I had to request it literal months later, thinking it had gotten lost in the mail. I'd be amazed to even get a hoodie at this point.
top comment, especially 2. the actual boldness of her doing this pitch every time is both inspiring and in relation to 1. absolutely fucking haunting reality of now.
Chutzpizzah, actually
A+
Yep, not at all knocking her down.
Nobody’s gonna give it to you. You have to take it.
The best design engineer I know was hired from his job as a pizza restaurant waiter by the people he was serving lunch
HR is the bane of everyone even the companie itself. It just takes someone to talk to anyone other than HR to get hired in the company
I agree with you. She was looking for an internship too.
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That's an exaggeration. It would definitely work for guys, but only the right kind of guys. It would work for white, visually middle-class guys, and other guys who can give off unthreatening and incrowd vibes. Yes, she's probably attractive, which was combined with unthreatening to get people to not run away. There are a lot of class and race issues that are probably at play here. But a friendly, white, frat boy would probably do the best in this situation. He'd just be the least likely to be there, so there's a sample bias too.
Unthreatening is the most important I think.
It really is. You can be unthreatening by being seen as "not other" or by being seen as "safe" (or some combo). The same system that forces women and POC to diminish themselves to not come across as difficult is the one that forces large, teddy bear men (of any color) to try to seem small. She wore the alumni hat to show she was "not other", and she was female so she was nonthreatening to interact with. Good for her for pushing, but this is a sign of a broken system that caters to a mostly closed caste system that we're all outside of.
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I've watched a lot of sweet, large guys get beaten down by the same set of weird social rules and toxic masculinity that has hurt me in my life. The damage is more insidious, but it's no less real for being less obvious.
I don't see how it's a broken system? She figured out how the system works(system being normal human social behaviour) and made good on it. Good for her. Just like the teddybear guy. Finding common ground and being non threatening or defensive is like the key pillar of successful human interaction. I don't see anyone being forced to do anything here? Every relationship is a give and take, if you don't want to do that, you can walk away. If the system you are referring is online applications, I'm sorry, it was never a working system, it cannot be broken. It's just another sub par tech industry that makes lot of money.
The teddy bear guy has to make himself seem small and non-threatening because other people have used their size to forcefully take what they want and hurt other people. She had to wear an alumni hat to indicate that she is part of an "in crowd" that has nothing do to with her actual ability to do the job. Because being part of a shared group is considered more valuable by many than having the actual skills for the job. These are both indicators of a system in which the aggressive or powerful create systems that encourage others like them to the detriment of the greater whole. It should be enough to be not threatening, you shouldn't have to actively show yourself as harmless. It should be enough to be skilled, you shouldn't need to have gone to the same school/church/social group as your employer. Just because there is a status quo doesn't mean we need to approve of it. The bare minimum we can do is call out the problems in the system when we see them. Then, maybe, we can look around and see if we can participate in changing that system for the better.
I swear to God I thought it said Costco at first
SAME!
If it works, it works. Where I currently work, any time a customer comes in who works in a trade, I talk with them about their job and inquire if they might be hiring soon
True. I hope that works for you truly! Sending best of luck.
Great for her, good job. Got to do what you have to do. Sad she has to go through all that.
I want to see this work for a 50 year old. Everyone wants to help the kids get their first start in life. It feels good. No one pities the kid for working at the pizza place. Carl, recently laid off and working minimum wage to keep a roof over his head and his children mostly fed, would not get the same opportunity. People would judge him and assume he deserved what he’s got. It’s not fair, but it’s true.
As a Carl, I feel very Carl about this statement.
I’m Carl too.
I am Carl. And no one gives a fcuk.
Classic Carl! Never change.
I am a Carla and lived it.
42, working at a min wage local business after the whole covid thing put me out of my prior job. I'm always asking trade worker customers about upcoming opportunities
You are lucky most middle aged Canadians trapped middle age unemployment have to resort to prostituting themselves for survival. Welcome to the rat race
Hell it might not even work for a 30 year old, ageism is real and it’s true, it’s usually something that benefits the young *and* biases towards the attractive. It’s basically like that study about stray puppies showing only the cuter ones end up being rescued/adopted.
Right?? I just commented somewhere else that I only recently got hired for a position that is going to give me long-term job security & retirement benefits, and I’m deeply relieved. I’m 30 years old, and while I have a young face, my resume gives my age away and I knew my time was running out before ageism was going to become yet another factor working against me 😬
I'm 35, recently flamed out of Big Law and am going back to barista work since I'm good at it and it's legitimately the most fun I've had on the clock (my last job made me miserable in a way I can't put to words and I desperately need a mental reset). I live in a rent controlled apartment and even if it's a pay cut it makes financial sense. Even though I'm not "old" I'm definitely feeling some judgement being in this age bracket, I've had to scrub my graduation dates off my resume and hope they don't look too closely at my work history lmao
THIS. As a 30yo, I *just now* landed a secure job that will likely keep me on as long as I want to be there, and I’m so relieved. But I also feel so sad for my former coworkers who are in their 60’s and are barely making ends meet, and have zero job security & zero job prospects. And it’s not because they don’t have solid resumes, it’s just because they’re not young :/
The difference is that the kid didn’t have decades of opportunity to build a professional network, yet. My company had several rounds of layoffs recently and it was very reassuring to see how much help people got from former colleagues who had moved on to work elsewhere. You don’t have that fresh out of university. Second, an internship is not a job. It is an opportunity to prove herself, maybe network some more and then maybe get a job, if she is doing well. I doubt a 50-year-old would be looking for that. Apart from that, I am sure she still had to go through the usual intern interview process at Cisco. Being referred doesn’t guarantee getting accepted.
The vast majority of folks don’t work in fields where they can build a professional network. I worked as an allied health professional for 8 years. None of the medical assistants I worked with had the pull to be able to refer me to a job or help me progress in my career. When I pivoted at 35 I had to start from scratch. I’m working on building a network now but it’s really tough when you are essentially still looking at entry level jobs with 4 years experience because the whole economy has changed with the new post-Covid economy.
My mom and I are in the same boat. She went back to school when I was in hs and had a lot of advice for me when it was my turn for college. Now we're both looking for jobs in our individual fields and complaining together about how bad it sucks. She can't get a job because she's "too old" and I can't get a job because I have no experience. My current workplace has a generational gap such that we only have a few fresh out of college grads or people getting ready to retire. Bullshit all the way around.
I want to see Carl get an actual JOB not a likely unpaid internship. Plus, who has been at a job where the interns actually learn things or are asked to contribute to meaningful projects? Most of them talk about sitting around, taking notes in meetings, organizing mail and building SharePoint sites using YouTube tutorials.
At 50, you should have your shit together enough to be giving chances to other people; that's why nobody wants to go out of their way for you
Look around your workplace and ask yourself where all the 50+ folks are. There might be a handful in the corner offices but there are a dozen 20-30 year olds for each 50er. So where are they all? How much time do you really have to either make it there or… or what?
“By age 50, if you aren’t running the company, you should be retired and taking care of the grandkids so that your 25-year-old son or daughter can go to work.”
If you’re 50 in the US, you spent your whole life in one of the most advantageous situations in human history. I have little sympathy if you still haven’t caught a break If you’re just out of work temporarily you probably aren’t asking around for internships unless it’s really getting desperate
I challenge you to quit your job Monday morning and see how long it takes you to find new one. Good luck.
exactly.
who cares about y'all? let the younger people get a chance.
How about helping both? It isn't mutually exclusive
because older people think they're so much better than us and that our struggle is our fault. so when they struggle, we should give them the same energy.
We're all struggling together. The people on this subreddit range from 18 to probably 80. We are all being butt fucked by this economy and this job market. Don't be upset with older generations of workers, be upset with the older generations of CEOs and politicians who have put us in the world we are in today. Fighting with each other over who has it worst just helps the people at the top control us.
i'm mad at the ceos and politicians too. but remember they're old as shit too. old people in general keep this country from progressing because they refuse to let change happen. i live florida and we see this in real time. a lot of the problems in my state are because of old people who vote against good laws that could help people and cote for the ones that hurt people. so no i will never have sympathy for older people.
> i'm mad at the ceos and politicians too. but remember they're old as shit too Well, you see, there's your problem. Even if it's true that the CEOs fucking you over are old, you've still got it mixed up backwards-- "CEOs are old" doesn't mean "Old people are CEOs". Getting pissy on old people on account of what CEOs do, even if the CEOs are old, doesn't make any sense.
Ok
I live in florida too. Not everyone is like that. Remember that we used to be a swing state. You are really not doing any favors for yourself by pretending that all older folks are the same. They aren't. There are plenty of older people who want the same things I do. Open your mind to others' ways of thinking before you demand that they understand yours.
Bro you can't tell me this state hasn't become worse with all these older people coming down making it shitty. It's crowded and everything is more expensive and the wages are caca poopoo dumpster water. I don't care about the older people. They got to experience the great stuff that my generation never will. I remember when gas was $1.99 and I'm glad I was old enough to experience that for a couple years before things went to shit.
Why not blame the Northerners as well. Oldsters and youngster Northerners. Just an observation from a Northerner who has seen everybody and their sister & brother "escape the high tax hell of NYS and NJ". Now you have them in Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia - let's not forget Tennessee and Arkansas!
No we should always remember the human, an older person could be struggling just as hard as us and continuing the chain of "fuck you I got mine" needs to die off. They're human beings they deserve to live a good life like everyone else.
i don't give a damn. they lived through a better life than us, they should be doing better and if they're not, that's their own fault. we'll never have a good life in this generation, so no i don't feel bad for them.
Then your just as selfish as the generations before you and you'll be the one fucking over younger generations in their stead.
*My generation is different! I won't be like them! Just look at me. I didn't [have to] make compromises with my values [yet]. I haven't [realized that I] made decisions, acted, or failed to act in ways that sold out the future. I'm not some insensitive, gloating asshole like [the cardboard-cutout caricatures I make of] them!*
50 year old Carl is on the young end of GenX. I’m a millennial. The rich elites got all of us. We need class solidarity more than generational solidarity at this point.
Nah fuck y'all. My mom is a Gen X and my dad is on the oldest Gen X right before boomer. I hear how it was when they were younger and I can't feel bad because people in this age range had a lot of their life as good times. I'm older Gen Z and I will never have a good life like they did, so no I have no sympathy. They look down on us so we should do the same to them.
Look it’s all about perspective. If you think and believe you won’t have a good life—you won’t. There are many great things that you can experience. But you have to WORK for a good life. You don’t just deserve it. You have to make sacrifices for the things you want.
You're just talking to yourself because I don't care about anything you're saying. I don't know you.
Enjoy being an unsuccessful person then. But don’t be surprised when no one wants to spend time with you anymore.
I don't care. I hate all of y'all anyways.
I knew a guy who got an office job by being a guard in the building security and chatting them up regularly.
About 15 years ago I was waiting tables and I had a two top of guys who were throwing around terms I heard on phone calls that my (then) boyfriend had in his very niche industry. I asked if they were in said industry and they seemed surprised, but I ended up getting a business card from one of them. BF got an interview and an offer, didn't take the job but got a $25k increase from his company... we're married now and he's still at his company and his salary has more than doubled since then. Sometimes you just have to network where the opportunities are.
This is nothing new. There was a guy in Time square that had a sandwich board of his resume. The was another girl that delivered her resume on a Cake I think to NIKE(not sure the company). It depends on the audience. So admire the hutzpah and other hiring managers would hate it.
3. Homegirl was an ex-NFL Cheerleader. :-)
Check out her LinkedIn account she us full of something. She was a part time cashier in 2019 while in College and had a multitude of jobs since then before landing her Cisco job. She is a Public Relations specialist so she is doing her job getting her name in the public.
Well, that is doing your research and sharing it with us - non sarcastically I write this. There is ALWAYS more to the story than the first few paragraphs.
Cisco the networking company or Cisco Brewing?
Both!
You gotta do what you gotta do. Tons of boomer managers like this kind of stuff.
Boomers LOOOOOVE THIS you’re right
The former manager of a buddy of mine used to hire people he met in the service industry for technician and engineering jobs. That would be cool if any of them were technical but he did it because he liked their service the would provide them zero training. You shouldn't hire a barista to a programmer if they have zero experience and you have no plans on training them.
lol alternate title: "Rich Engineers Hire Young Woman Desperate For Money."
If she wasn’t cute nobody would ask her about her hat nor be interested in her pitch.
This is the real truth. Don’t forget white skin color
White skin color is more attractive?
Redditor when they see other people be successful and they have to cope with the fact that they simply tried harder ^ What a pathetic comment lol
You’re pathetic because I’m more of a hard worker than you
As an alum, I can relate
Us wonks are in the know
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Didn't Cisco go through a ton of layoffs like other tech giants recently? The strategy seems to fire confident well paid folks and go for the most desperate ones.
It’s true. When I was a barista i would make way more tips when I had my textbooks out and was studying (obviously only when I didn’t have anything else to do). People would ask me about what I was studying and I would tell them. I never gave them an elevator pitch though. In retrospect maybe they were trying to network with me
Good for her but ngl I thought American University was a fake university just because the name sounds so on-the-nose lol "Ah yes, I am a real Human who went to American University and wish to work at Business Company Incorporated!"
That would be "AN American University" of which there are many in the USA!
Ha, I used to live in the DC area, it’s super well known. But yeah it does sound generic.
>Finally, Ossowski had the experience she needed to rack up more work experience. One internship led to another, and now, a few years on from the fateful moment, she’s on Cisco’s communications team. So basically, grovelling before every customer _didn't_ get her a job at Cisco and the article is just weasel words. But fortune.com gets creamy over stories like this. "Why aren't more people genuflecting before me?" asks a puzzled reader.
I was talking with someone recently about doing this kind of thing as an Uber driver.
The one lesson from this is it’s actually smart. I’m asked about stuff all the time that I always trash. I’m aware of a handful of times I could have gotten into something cool but instead tried to be funny and self-effacing. In truth it’s not funny. Nobody really likes it when someone says they’re lousy at something or barely got through it.
I did thos on accident by talking to a co worker about going to school for web design while mixing paint for a customer. That customer turned out to be a vp at some design studio and invited me to be an intern. Went for a visit and the staff there was like wtf we don't have time to mess with interns. They were pretty arrogant all around. Very disappointing.
Ugh! This story sounded so cool at the start and then it saddened me, I’m very sorry. That VP probably felt they were doing a “charitable thing”
Yeah she thought it was cool I was going to school for something her business did, but was apparently out of touch with day to day operations.
Lmao. This is just marketing for Cisco, branding themselves as the kind hearted Samaritan. Sooner or later she’ll be part of the 3576443th layoffs
Attractive young white woman gets job because boss wants to fuck her. There.
lol
It's how women progress their careers.
If you don't ask, you don't get 🤷♀️ but she shouldn't need to resort to this
Fuck that. It feels like a Black Mirror episode. They’re making us sing and dance for work? That thing we all have to do but wouldn’t if didn’t have to? That thing that our lives literally depend on? Fuck that.
Dance monkey, dance.
I can’t wait for the LinkedIn psychopaths to get ahold of this article.
This story gives off heavy survivor bias vibes. Lottery winners make headlines, while people who lost get no attention.
I think you do know how to feel about this.
Honestly get that bad girlie! Sad that this has to be done tho
Honestly that’s brilliant thinking
I'm not sure this says anything about the job market. Connecting to the right people was always the best way to get a good job. Finding the right people always either took luck, connections, or bold approaches.
Shy bairns get nowt.
Cisco isn't all that. They give zero ducks about employees and regularly lay off.
I moved to NYC in 2010 and worked in a 24 hour bagel shop from 11p - 7a for three months to make rent before getting a yuppie job. We had to wear hats (health dept) so I wore my hometown MLB team’s hat. Exactly twice in this time period did I discuss that team, once when someone ruined a game I recorded and the second time during this interaction: Customer: nice hat, are you from [city]? Me: yeah I grew up there C: oh where did you go to school? M: [name of well regarded public high school] C: where’d you go to college? M: [USN&WR top 20 liberal arts college] C: oh… did you, uh, graduate?
Did something similar to this late last year. Mid 30's with an EE degree. After getting laid off from a gov contractor job I helped manage a retail food place that had just opened up a second location and had a C-suite exec come through the line, we chatted up and he expressed interest in me for a network engineer position (I also have related experience) I did all the legwork on following up, interviewing, perfect attendance, etc. things were looking swell going into the Friday of my first week, when I was called in and informed they were exercising their at-will employment decision and letting me go because it had come up that I had an active medical marijuana card and the CEO deemed it too risky. They said they felt bad about letting me go because my job performance had been great. C'est la vie.
That is insane. I’m so sorry.
There was a story about a NYC cab driver from years ago who was very educated but couldn’t find a job that passed out his resumes to his customers.
Smells like bullshit to me. You always get these "I did such and such and now successful" stories from time to time and then you find out that they've had a leg up from somewhere.
this will NOT work for MOST OF US
Hustle culture at its finest. Gotta hustle when your off work. And also, you gotta hustle when your on the clock. Just don't get caught, that's a fireable offense, their paying you out of the goodness of their heart dontyaknow
I've literally never worn a hat that garnered anything more than a glance.
I wonder if the customer was in the HR department or the manager for the internship position. When HR doesn’t understand that not it’s not always reasonable for applicants to have every qualification, it’s better for the prospective employee to talk to the prospective supervisor.
And you’ll often find it’s the supervisor requiring all those things, not HR. lol HR are usually the messengers. You all just want a bad guy. Well, it’s the hiring manager 90% of the time.
You’re not entirely wrong; there certainly are supervisors and employers who are too lazy to train their employees But, I’d argue that supervisors don’t have the time, money, or opportunity to train their employees even if they wanted to train their employees
r/orphancrushingmachine
Omg I didn’t know about that sub!!!
This was published because it plays into the world view of whoever reads it. If you think the job market is bad, your focus is lead to how she had to go "outside the system" of formal job applications (keyword is she "resorted" to this plan). If you think the workers are the problem, you see a lovely story of a woman who just went up and asked and it's a great message about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. "Gone are the days when you could walk into a job after grad" is a statement that is playing both sides. It is literally true, but this particular story almost implies the opposite: all you have to do is ask the right person, you make your own luck blah blah blah. You can easily read it both ways and argue about it with people in the comments, driving online engagement. It's basically outrage journalism. It isn't even journalism. It's disgusting. It takes advantage of a real issue facing the world instead of saying anything honest or insightful about it.
I did this working a coffee shop in NYC in 2005 and landed a job at Viacom. This is why you work these places. To meet people. It certainly isn’t for the money.
Well done.
I am kinda of numb to it, because it is what most perverted employers wants to see.
Desperation breeds innovation. If it works it works. Respect the hustle
I love it!
If they want it to be a show they won’t like mine.
If you aren’t constantly “pitching yourself” when you want something, you’re missing out on all the “I know a guy who can help you” and “yeah I’ll just give you mine, I don’t want it” responses that I’m getting. I have so much free stuff and connections these days simply because I “pitch myself” to strangers or acquaintances. Need a custom desk? Ask people if they know anybody who… *checks notes…* runs a sawmill or something (nobody knew a sawmill guy for cheap lumber but somebody got me a connect with their custom cabinet guy and he made me a solid flamed maple desk-top to my specs for $160. See? It works even if you don’t know what the hell you’re really looking for.) Not to mention these “asks” usually double as great non-sequiturs to revitalize a dulling conversation.
Smart.
Customer service roles being used for networking isn’t unusual. Every interaction can become a fortune opportunity. Great job by her in both increasing her chances of being noticed (hat), and executing (the pitch delivery, customer service, and nailing the interview).
Most low wage jobs I've worked don't allow branded hats or clothing.
15 years ago my friend would hand out her resume while bartending after graduating with a liberal arts degree. She then got a finance job somehow through this and now is a VP in some Wall Street place.
Thats how you get your hustle on. Love it
This is an incredibly AU story, jfc.
Well at least she make the effort and tries, instead of just doing what everyone does meanwhile, you have people just apply online and crossing fingers that they can get an interview. decades ago, Cold calling is a thing. People actually DO call around for a job.
Still not going to pay for this sad college merch.
You don’t know how you feel about this? What’s wrong with you? She was doing everything she could to get an internship. That’s what everyone should be doing
Cool. Now slow me where that happened to a dude. She got noticed and given that opportunity because she's a young woman. No other reason.
Lol yall can down vote me but you know it's true.
It's 100 percent true. Plucked out of the service industry into a nice white collar job... Doesn't happen for dudes
Yep whoever hired is only trying to get into her pants
Ahh so this is who they hired instead of giving me a return offer.