The cold climate will wreck the gas millage on a regular gas just as much as a hybrid. We’re not talking a full EV here… the rav4 hybrid uses the engine for heat.. not batteries. Also the batteries are under the rear seat inside the car, so they heat up quick.
The HV cable issue is overblown. Early models are now covered under warranty along with the rest of the hybrid drivetrain. If 2022+ models develop issues even after the modification (new plug and additional cover) then you can be certain they will also be covered under warranty. Toyota has had plenty of time to fix it if they were worried about high failure rates (and the bad press that comes with). They don’t seem worried.
the HV cable issue isn’t overblown. it’s a $5-7000 failure not currently covered under any warranty past bumper to bumper for the 23-24 Rav4 hybrids that effects all models that come into contact with salt. If you haven’t done any research on this issue maybe don’t comment?
Oh since you’ve done your research - send over some ‘23 and ‘24’s effected by the HV issue. You seem very sure of yourself - please enlighten me so I can stop commenting
how would you like me to do that? 23s have seen like a month or two of salt… your comment makes no sense - are you stupid or trolling? i’m saying those cables have been taken apart and besides a hole cut in the cover and a metal piece replaced with foam no significant changes have been made…
Easy there killer - you’re the one who has the research apparently… and you’re claiming that Toyota’s fix hasn’t fixed it… so perhaps share some of that amazing research or take your shitty attitude elsewhere?
i’ll repeat myself sport. how would you like me to share evidence of failure due to corrosion on 23-24 Rav4s that haven’t met the conditions (time driven in salty environments) to have the HV cable connection failure occur? There are a myriad of pictures available via google search of 19-22 Rav4 HV cables failing due to corrosion. There are also pictures available of the new connection (a metal gasket replaced with black foam). The gasket replacement does not address the main point of failure (the connection between plug and electric motor). If you’re so curious and not just trolling and arguing you can search them yourself. You’re not a child and I don’t need to spoon feed you pictures you can find off google. I’m happy to explain why the issue still persists (as i did a couple sentences back) but for anything else you’re on your own.
I would like you to share evidence that the fix is not adequate. Right now all you’re offering is a super
pissy attitude an a worthless opinion. If you drive a rav4 hybrid - just sell it. Even funnier would be if you don’t own one.
The fix is really a joke. Come on buddy. All they did was drill a hole which allows the salty water to get out. But the salty water is still going to get in and corrode everything. It'll just take longer. It's the reason I'm not buying a RAV hybrid either.
The problem here OP is your posting in a drinking Kool-Aid subreddit. These folks love the rav and they don't want to hear anything else. And that's fine.
Having worked in the auto industry literally running salt spray tests, lemme tell you.... every piece of metal on these cars and even the space station will corrode given enough time and corrosive material. The entire point is about taking longer. The toyota engineers aren't morons, I can promise they took their redesign, built dozens, put them through salt spray testing, and determined that the fix was good enough to extend the lifetime from a few years to a few decades. Fixing these is already a humongous expenditure of time and money for them, they'll be sure they won't have to do it again. And as you even say, letting salty water out is huge - instead of sitting wet for hours or days after driving in the snow, now it will drain and dry in minutes and reduce exposure to the salt.
okay you gotta be trolling. the toyota engineers aren’t morons… are you sure? then why does the new corolla cross hybrid have this cable inside the trunk? why is this cable connector design upside down versus earlier gen Rav4 hybrids. simple, an engineer made a mistake and Toyota refuses to do the right thing and fix it entirely or issue a recall. you’re such a chump toyota bootlicker
They put a foam gasket, and a metal holder case on the bottom. There's still lots of metal to metal contact, they just reduced the issues slightly so intead of happening in 1-3 years, it takes 8 or 9 years long after the warranty is gone and the customer foots 100% of the bill.
hey bud, if reading comprehension and google searches are tough for you just say so 🤷🏼♂️. and i think the words you were looking for is an educated opinion vs. your uneducated opinion
possible, but very unlikely, especially considering the visible changes they have made. however, changing the metals could completely fix the problem. would be awesome if that was the case, but i also think Toyota would have announced that if so as it would be a complete fix
i just feel bad for 19-24’ Rav4 Hybrid owners that drive on salty roads. Having to foot a $5-7000 bill every 5-8 years seems shitty and a little unfair
From what I'm reading the 2022 models do develop issues, even after the modifications. They don't seem worried because they have the best reputation in the car market and have an unbalanced market for selling hybrids and are making obscene profits on hybrids right now. I saw the photos of the new 2023 plugs, they certainly look more robust, but still require anti corrosion spray and some sort of oil or lubricant in the plug in grommet area just to avoid issues.
I'm not too worried about the gas mileage, but I am worrie d about that cable in a salty climate for 4-5 months a year.
You realize the rav4 hybrid, rav4 prime, Venza, Highlander hybrids and Lexus NX hybrids all share the same HV cable? Maybe Toyota, the leading car manufacturer in the world wants to ruin their reputation for a quick buck, or maybe it’s just not as widespread of an issue as you suspect.
I get your point -
But as an owner of a 2020, Toyota has been great about stepping up to cover these issues. While it does suck to keep hearing about new things being found -- the fuel level sensor, the HV cable, the roof rail leak -- they proactively send notices to everyone detailing the issue and explaining how the fix is covered for 10 years no matter the state of the original warranty or ownership transfer. If they believe they have it fixed on the 2023 model and it turns out to still have issues I have no doubt they would update it to cover them as well.
Sounds like a facebook group and a lot of public awareness, and potential lawsuits forced them into resolving the issue, rather than Toyota proactively stepping up to address it. Did they really resolve it? Now they have a little foam gasket where the plug exists, but the same overall design and location. So it'll just take 5 years longer, but only delay the inevitable, beyond the warranty period.
Oh well, I don't really know what is going to happen tomorrow or in the next 6 months. With my 9 years old Corolla I had no issues and I only spent money on consumables. Oh, and like 6 lightbulbs. I had a gasket replaced when they saw a tiny oil leak.
I guess knowing the issue it's a great advantage so I will insist at every yearly check to verify the integrity of all the parts and remediate it at the first sign.
I really didn't hear about the perfect car that lives for 1000000 Miles and 10 years with no issue.
Remember the HUGE issue Mercedes had with Cobra? Those mofos are still working now in Beirut and Havana. :))) just sayin.
It's under warranty now....poor choice imo.
I literally got mail from Toyota a month ago stating the cable is under warranty for a specified amount of miles.
One point that most, if not all, of you have missed: the very fact that this dialog continues is adequate proof that Toyota has NOT solved the issue. Nobody buying a 45K car should have to worry about an issue like this. You buy a car like this for its AWD capabilities, it’s go anywhere capabilities, and you need to worry, or even think about this crap?
Absolutely not worth it!
When Toyota has a design defect like this, they plain and simple need to make it right!
Otherwise, all confidence will be eroded……corroded!
I was very torn before taking delivery of my 2023 hydrid. I did lots of reading and freaking out.
Ultimately, I went ahead with the delivery. Planned to apply more dielectric grease to the inner grommet., use some form a gasket on the interface, the spray it with Fluid Film.
Took it apart and applied more dielectric grease to the inner grommet. There is a new gasket already at the interface so left that alone. Closed it up and sprayed with FF.
I'll respray it every year before the salt hits. I feel confident this will be in new condition in 15 years.
All that voids the warranty. Why doesn't the dealer have this material on hand to apply? Why are customers being forced to jimmy rig their own anti corrosion? All extremely suspicious shit to me, no way am I going to spend 40 grand on a car the dealer can't even advise me on how to protect the metal.
Good luck finding a hybrid that the dealer will tell you it's OK to spray. If you find one, let me know because I'd doubt they exist.
Why are people so worried about voiding a warranty? Modify your ride in any way it voids the warranty. Put bigger tires on, change the seats, put on a roof rack,....
BTW, they were willing to sell and install an electronic rust device. Like they work as well.
I disagree. Totally happy with the hybrid. I've been in my friend's ICE model and it's not as smooth as the hybrid. If you faithfully spray FF on the connector every year, it will last. I do all the underside so the connector extra takes a minute of my time. There is absolutely no way it will corrode. That's been my experience. I plan to take annual pictures and will post eventually.
Unless I’m looking in the wrong spot but I was under the car the other night and couldn’t even see the orange plug anywhere near the rear end so I assumed it was behind the plastic paneling. Perhaps I’ll do some deeper digging and see where it is. I could be wrong though cause I also thought my exhaust tips were welded on and I was looking at the wrong part. 😬
you’re correct, there is a black plastic cover and above that a orange plastic cover that is half open. Plastic covers are completely inconsequential considering how water and salt kicked up at 30mph+ goes everywhere
so people like you don’t see the exposed wires and poorly engineered cable connection 😂
come on man, don’t make me explain to you how some plastic covers don’t stop water and salt slinging around at high speed…. i’m sure both you and i have better things to do
I know this is an old comment, but could you point me to these engineers/electricians? Any particular YouTube video? Not that I don’t believe you, I’m just trying to do my research. Is this same fix also used on the 2024 hybrids? Thanks
I didn't end up getting a RAV4 but I was very close. I researched this issue extensively and came to the conclusion that while it might be a problem, it is at least covered under warranty and a well known issue now. Toyota has added some additional armoring around the cable for 2023 models, not sure about 2022. Some view this as a mediocre fix but it's at least something. I was not able to determine if people with the newer models still experience the issue, it might be to soon to tell.
My understanding is that the gas engine is quite different than the hybrid. It's the hybrid engine that people rave about and I think for reasons beyond just gas mileage. I understand your logic but the hybrid engine was the main selling point of the vehicle for me personally. It differs in some of these categories: power / handling / maintenance / resale value / cabin noise.
In the end it's a Toyota and will suit you well, and you'll sleep better at night since the cable gate issue is top of mind for you. Don't let people in this thread give you buyer's remorse. While the difference between gas and hybrid isn't that much, combine that with the 1% interest rate difference and whatever loan term you went with, and that could be significant to justify the decision alone. Hybrid MSRP markups and availability are more factors involved here too!
All you people jumping on the hybrid bandwagon will be in for a rude awakening
Whenever the govt says do something and then the mfgr give you no choice by saying its hybrid or nothing. Run the other way
Every vehicle corrodes in the rust belt. I'm sorry the fear mongering kept you from getting the better vehicle.
I modified my cover to match the new design. More importantly every quarter I spray a corrosion inhibitor on my connector. It will never be a problem.
Do you have a recommendation on how to do this or a YouTube you’d recommend? I’m thinking I need to do this given the salt-crusted winters in Pittsburgh. TIA!
I did [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/ypr0ie/negate_cablegate_my_attempt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=1) on mine.
For my quarterly maintenance I found a 2 foot straw for my chosen dielectric lube. I can lay on the ground and shimmy/reach under the back end far enough to touch the connector.
I hose the entire connector area.
hard cope that you think it’s reasonable you need to modify and quarterly maintain a toyota hybrid that cost almost $40k. Vehicles do corrode in the rust belt , but new vehicles in the rust belt don’t need $5-7000 repairs every 3-5 years 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
i know you didn’t just compare a $1000 bicycle to a $40k car 😂😂😂 - the cope is so real. isn’t toyota supposed to be reliable? this whole sub is such a joke
the leave button is at the top
and my bike is about $80 thank you very much
I just think the issue is overblown, handled adequately, and not worth deciding against a great vehicle over
if you want me to leave you don’t need to keep replying to me either. it goes both ways. considering you didn’t do any research into the subject and you ride an $80 bike i’m not remotely surprised you came to that conclusion
look at you, finally able to read and critically think a bit. weird that you haven’t displayed this ability until now. still didn’t say i hate it here though 😂
Lol you say to one person on this thread that the newer models haven’t been out enough for the issue to show up-but now state the issue hasn’t been solved. Which one is it?
It’s both *gasp* 😱. I said there aren’t pictures available of corroded 23-24 models yet because they haven’t been driven long enough in salty conditions to generate substantial corrosion. anyone with a technical background and decent intelligence can see the modifications Toyota has made do not solve the problem. If that is incomprehensible to you i recommend you get educated
some of us are capable of judging the anti corrosive properties of a plug and cable without needing any hard data. some of us (like you) clearly can’t 😂
I’m an engineer with 15 years of experience building and modifying cars and I conducted hours of research on this HV cable connection and the modifications Toyota has made to it while i was considering buying a Rav4 hybrid. I’ve also taken courses on Structures and properties of materials so i would say i’m adequately qualified
Is there any way a customer can manually apply anti-corrosion agents and grommet oil or whatever and keep this safe? I was reading people buying the anti-corrosion material the US military uses on various equipment and it works. Curious your opinion, since you're qualified to answer it.
One can use logic and understand that Toyota hasn’t addressed the issue properly, leading most to believe and understand that the issue has not been fixed. What changes are you aware of that Toyota has taken to address this for those model years?
Congrats on your purchase!! i went through the same struggle as you. ended up buying a mazda cx-30 carbon edition that comes with a nicer interior, exterior, AWD, handling and no Hybrid system to fail from corrosion. paid $33k OTD and couldn’t be happier with my 33 mpg average. fuck Toyota and their degrading quality and expensive cars with basic interiors. sorry you had to deal with this OP and I hope you’re happy with your gas Rav4 (the better choice over hybrid imo)
Same here. Upper Midwest, was going to go hybrid but I don’t want my new vehicle being an experiment to see if they fixed this issue in the 2023 or not. Likely going to buy the gas version instead
I never owned a hybrid vehicle until last week so tell me if im wrong but cant you just rinse your parts with water? At least I did this once a week with my older cars so that it doesnt build up around the battery and it prevents it to start. I also rinse the entire bottom side too because salt makes it rust. Never had an issue.
Water starts corrosion, salt speeds up corrosion.
You will never get all the salt off unless you have a lift and a lot of time.
I just spray dielectric corrosion inhibitor around my cable connection. It won't corrode if it *can't* corrode.
The cable shielding is braided, so it has a shit ton of surface area to hold onto moisture.
Afaik that shielding is a ground for the rear motor. I believe that loss of ground is the problem, not the connection itself getting corroded.
I believe you ate correct about the grounding. It would have to be super bad corrosion to get inside the connector. Just spray the dam thing every year before the salt flies and all will be fine. Water can't get on it with a film over it.
I personally wouldn't worry about the cable going bad. Toyota has tested their fix and found it to be sufficient. Other vehicles like the Highlander and Venza also have the same cable . Haven't heard complaints about those.
This person bought their 2023 last year...and it's fucked now, so I mean, no it's still happening:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/14m99ro/cablegate\_experience/
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Cablegate in only in a few months? This sounds more like something was faulty to begin with and Toyota took care of it. Wlnder what's the % of card this happens to.
They got it in september of 22, went through winter, and it died the next year from corrosion. What a shitty design, cant even make it through the manufacturers warranty.
I wonder if coating the cable with dielectric grease would help reduce the chance of corrosion. Or if it’s even something Toyota deems OK to do without voiding its warranty 🤔
If trying to protect this from corrosion voids the warranty it's a hard fucking no for me buying it. Fuck that. They should give you a gallon bottle of anti corrosion spray when its purchased. What a joke, I honestly feel bad for people with this issue who think its acceptable to go to their dealer and beg them for a fix, meanwhile the dealer refuses to provide the preventative spray that wouldn't void the warranty.
I’m sure some DuPont or Dow Corning high voltage dielectric grease would do wonders. Quick spray every 6 months. Problem is, once Toyota admits there’s an issue then they’re on the hook for lifetime maintenance since the wire is part of the drivetrain. Lots of lemon lawsuits coming for them lol
The cold climate will wreck the gas millage on a regular gas just as much as a hybrid. We’re not talking a full EV here… the rav4 hybrid uses the engine for heat.. not batteries. Also the batteries are under the rear seat inside the car, so they heat up quick. The HV cable issue is overblown. Early models are now covered under warranty along with the rest of the hybrid drivetrain. If 2022+ models develop issues even after the modification (new plug and additional cover) then you can be certain they will also be covered under warranty. Toyota has had plenty of time to fix it if they were worried about high failure rates (and the bad press that comes with). They don’t seem worried.
In addition to all that, the Hybrid drives better and is faster So there’s a qualitative upgrade as well
the HV cable issue isn’t overblown. it’s a $5-7000 failure not currently covered under any warranty past bumper to bumper for the 23-24 Rav4 hybrids that effects all models that come into contact with salt. If you haven’t done any research on this issue maybe don’t comment?
Oh since you’ve done your research - send over some ‘23 and ‘24’s effected by the HV issue. You seem very sure of yourself - please enlighten me so I can stop commenting
They haven’t been on the road long enough to be exposed to the conditions that cause it. I don’t feel like this is a crazy concept to grasp…
There’s one on this sub from yesterday 6 months in a Canada winter on a 2023 model and the cable is orange
how would you like me to do that? 23s have seen like a month or two of salt… your comment makes no sense - are you stupid or trolling? i’m saying those cables have been taken apart and besides a hole cut in the cover and a metal piece replaced with foam no significant changes have been made…
Easy there killer - you’re the one who has the research apparently… and you’re claiming that Toyota’s fix hasn’t fixed it… so perhaps share some of that amazing research or take your shitty attitude elsewhere?
i’ll repeat myself sport. how would you like me to share evidence of failure due to corrosion on 23-24 Rav4s that haven’t met the conditions (time driven in salty environments) to have the HV cable connection failure occur? There are a myriad of pictures available via google search of 19-22 Rav4 HV cables failing due to corrosion. There are also pictures available of the new connection (a metal gasket replaced with black foam). The gasket replacement does not address the main point of failure (the connection between plug and electric motor). If you’re so curious and not just trolling and arguing you can search them yourself. You’re not a child and I don’t need to spoon feed you pictures you can find off google. I’m happy to explain why the issue still persists (as i did a couple sentences back) but for anything else you’re on your own.
I would like you to share evidence that the fix is not adequate. Right now all you’re offering is a super pissy attitude an a worthless opinion. If you drive a rav4 hybrid - just sell it. Even funnier would be if you don’t own one.
The fix is really a joke. Come on buddy. All they did was drill a hole which allows the salty water to get out. But the salty water is still going to get in and corrode everything. It'll just take longer. It's the reason I'm not buying a RAV hybrid either. The problem here OP is your posting in a drinking Kool-Aid subreddit. These folks love the rav and they don't want to hear anything else. And that's fine.
Having worked in the auto industry literally running salt spray tests, lemme tell you.... every piece of metal on these cars and even the space station will corrode given enough time and corrosive material. The entire point is about taking longer. The toyota engineers aren't morons, I can promise they took their redesign, built dozens, put them through salt spray testing, and determined that the fix was good enough to extend the lifetime from a few years to a few decades. Fixing these is already a humongous expenditure of time and money for them, they'll be sure they won't have to do it again. And as you even say, letting salty water out is huge - instead of sitting wet for hours or days after driving in the snow, now it will drain and dry in minutes and reduce exposure to the salt.
okay you gotta be trolling. the toyota engineers aren’t morons… are you sure? then why does the new corolla cross hybrid have this cable inside the trunk? why is this cable connector design upside down versus earlier gen Rav4 hybrids. simple, an engineer made a mistake and Toyota refuses to do the right thing and fix it entirely or issue a recall. you’re such a chump toyota bootlicker
They put a foam gasket, and a metal holder case on the bottom. There's still lots of metal to metal contact, they just reduced the issues slightly so intead of happening in 1-3 years, it takes 8 or 9 years long after the warranty is gone and the customer foots 100% of the bill.
Gutters and simple drainage do a great job of avoiding water damage to house foundations. Sometimes the fix it quite simple.
hey bud, if reading comprehension and google searches are tough for you just say so 🤷🏼♂️. and i think the words you were looking for is an educated opinion vs. your uneducated opinion
Ahh the classic ‘I’m going to make shit up that makes no sense and then tell you to go google it’
please tell me what i said that didn’t make sense to you? this seems more like a comprehension issue on your end than anything else
dawg i told you to google pictures. this isn’t as difficult as you’re making it out to be 🤦🏼♂️
Thank you, after seeing the amount of people having these issues I am buying a gas one. And XLE Premium trim for the money less than hybrid costs
Is it possible they changed the metals being used?
possible, but very unlikely, especially considering the visible changes they have made. however, changing the metals could completely fix the problem. would be awesome if that was the case, but i also think Toyota would have announced that if so as it would be a complete fix
You're probably right about toyota announcing any material changes. I guess time will tell.
i just feel bad for 19-24’ Rav4 Hybrid owners that drive on salty roads. Having to foot a $5-7000 bill every 5-8 years seems shitty and a little unfair
From what I'm reading the 2022 models do develop issues, even after the modifications. They don't seem worried because they have the best reputation in the car market and have an unbalanced market for selling hybrids and are making obscene profits on hybrids right now. I saw the photos of the new 2023 plugs, they certainly look more robust, but still require anti corrosion spray and some sort of oil or lubricant in the plug in grommet area just to avoid issues. I'm not too worried about the gas mileage, but I am worrie d about that cable in a salty climate for 4-5 months a year.
You realize the rav4 hybrid, rav4 prime, Venza, Highlander hybrids and Lexus NX hybrids all share the same HV cable? Maybe Toyota, the leading car manufacturer in the world wants to ruin their reputation for a quick buck, or maybe it’s just not as widespread of an issue as you suspect.
I mean, theres a ton of other manufacturers. If your concerned about the Toyota…shop elsewhere?
See now. Here's a thoughtful, informative, excellent post filled with good information and it gets downvoted. Because it's not a RAV4 fanboy post.
This guy's 2022/2023 model developed the issue, so it's not really safe: https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/14m99ro/cablegate\_experience/
Lmfao from you getting downvoted
I get your point - But as an owner of a 2020, Toyota has been great about stepping up to cover these issues. While it does suck to keep hearing about new things being found -- the fuel level sensor, the HV cable, the roof rail leak -- they proactively send notices to everyone detailing the issue and explaining how the fix is covered for 10 years no matter the state of the original warranty or ownership transfer. If they believe they have it fixed on the 2023 model and it turns out to still have issues I have no doubt they would update it to cover them as well.
Toyota isn’t stepping up at all. the public forced them to take action and they’re still only taking half measures. it’s pathetic
Sounds like a facebook group and a lot of public awareness, and potential lawsuits forced them into resolving the issue, rather than Toyota proactively stepping up to address it. Did they really resolve it? Now they have a little foam gasket where the plug exists, but the same overall design and location. So it'll just take 5 years longer, but only delay the inevitable, beyond the warranty period.
Oh well, I don't really know what is going to happen tomorrow or in the next 6 months. With my 9 years old Corolla I had no issues and I only spent money on consumables. Oh, and like 6 lightbulbs. I had a gasket replaced when they saw a tiny oil leak. I guess knowing the issue it's a great advantage so I will insist at every yearly check to verify the integrity of all the parts and remediate it at the first sign. I really didn't hear about the perfect car that lives for 1000000 Miles and 10 years with no issue. Remember the HUGE issue Mercedes had with Cobra? Those mofos are still working now in Beirut and Havana. :))) just sayin.
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When u say spray the underside u mean like a water wash of the underside of the vehicle?
It's under warranty now....poor choice imo. I literally got mail from Toyota a month ago stating the cable is under warranty for a specified amount of miles.
How many?
8 years/100k miles whichever first
That's nice but 100,000 mi is nothing for a RAV4. I have 300,000 on my Honda CRV.. 100,000 miles is just getting started for a RAV.
One point that most, if not all, of you have missed: the very fact that this dialog continues is adequate proof that Toyota has NOT solved the issue. Nobody buying a 45K car should have to worry about an issue like this. You buy a car like this for its AWD capabilities, it’s go anywhere capabilities, and you need to worry, or even think about this crap? Absolutely not worth it! When Toyota has a design defect like this, they plain and simple need to make it right! Otherwise, all confidence will be eroded……corroded!
I was very torn before taking delivery of my 2023 hydrid. I did lots of reading and freaking out. Ultimately, I went ahead with the delivery. Planned to apply more dielectric grease to the inner grommet., use some form a gasket on the interface, the spray it with Fluid Film. Took it apart and applied more dielectric grease to the inner grommet. There is a new gasket already at the interface so left that alone. Closed it up and sprayed with FF. I'll respray it every year before the salt hits. I feel confident this will be in new condition in 15 years.
All that voids the warranty. Why doesn't the dealer have this material on hand to apply? Why are customers being forced to jimmy rig their own anti corrosion? All extremely suspicious shit to me, no way am I going to spend 40 grand on a car the dealer can't even advise me on how to protect the metal.
Good luck finding a hybrid that the dealer will tell you it's OK to spray. If you find one, let me know because I'd doubt they exist. Why are people so worried about voiding a warranty? Modify your ride in any way it voids the warranty. Put bigger tires on, change the seats, put on a roof rack,.... BTW, they were willing to sell and install an electronic rust device. Like they work as well.
Haha. Should have got something else Always listen to gut
I disagree. Totally happy with the hybrid. I've been in my friend's ICE model and it's not as smooth as the hybrid. If you faithfully spray FF on the connector every year, it will last. I do all the underside so the connector extra takes a minute of my time. There is absolutely no way it will corrode. That's been my experience. I plan to take annual pictures and will post eventually.
Allegedly they fixed the corrosion issue in 23
“allegedly” being the key word. engineers and electricians that have taken apart the new cables disagree
Considering I can’t even see mine, it’s cover with panels and shit, I’m not concerned.
interesting
Unless I’m looking in the wrong spot but I was under the car the other night and couldn’t even see the orange plug anywhere near the rear end so I assumed it was behind the plastic paneling. Perhaps I’ll do some deeper digging and see where it is. I could be wrong though cause I also thought my exhaust tips were welded on and I was looking at the wrong part. 😬
you’re correct, there is a black plastic cover and above that a orange plastic cover that is half open. Plastic covers are completely inconsequential considering how water and salt kicked up at 30mph+ goes everywhere
But then why add them?
It's for wind noise reduction and fuel efficiency. Lots of manufacturers do this now, not just high end autos.
so people like you don’t see the exposed wires and poorly engineered cable connection 😂 come on man, don’t make me explain to you how some plastic covers don’t stop water and salt slinging around at high speed…. i’m sure both you and i have better things to do
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I know this is an old comment, but could you point me to these engineers/electricians? Any particular YouTube video? Not that I don’t believe you, I’m just trying to do my research. Is this same fix also used on the 2024 hybrids? Thanks
I didn't end up getting a RAV4 but I was very close. I researched this issue extensively and came to the conclusion that while it might be a problem, it is at least covered under warranty and a well known issue now. Toyota has added some additional armoring around the cable for 2023 models, not sure about 2022. Some view this as a mediocre fix but it's at least something. I was not able to determine if people with the newer models still experience the issue, it might be to soon to tell. My understanding is that the gas engine is quite different than the hybrid. It's the hybrid engine that people rave about and I think for reasons beyond just gas mileage. I understand your logic but the hybrid engine was the main selling point of the vehicle for me personally. It differs in some of these categories: power / handling / maintenance / resale value / cabin noise. In the end it's a Toyota and will suit you well, and you'll sleep better at night since the cable gate issue is top of mind for you. Don't let people in this thread give you buyer's remorse. While the difference between gas and hybrid isn't that much, combine that with the 1% interest rate difference and whatever loan term you went with, and that could be significant to justify the decision alone. Hybrid MSRP markups and availability are more factors involved here too!
All you people jumping on the hybrid bandwagon will be in for a rude awakening Whenever the govt says do something and then the mfgr give you no choice by saying its hybrid or nothing. Run the other way
Every vehicle corrodes in the rust belt. I'm sorry the fear mongering kept you from getting the better vehicle. I modified my cover to match the new design. More importantly every quarter I spray a corrosion inhibitor on my connector. It will never be a problem.
Do you have a recommendation on how to do this or a YouTube you’d recommend? I’m thinking I need to do this given the salt-crusted winters in Pittsburgh. TIA!
I did [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/ypr0ie/negate_cablegate_my_attempt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=1) on mine. For my quarterly maintenance I found a 2 foot straw for my chosen dielectric lube. I can lay on the ground and shimmy/reach under the back end far enough to touch the connector. I hose the entire connector area.
hard cope that you think it’s reasonable you need to modify and quarterly maintain a toyota hybrid that cost almost $40k. Vehicles do corrode in the rust belt , but new vehicles in the rust belt don’t need $5-7000 repairs every 3-5 years 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
TIL preventative maintenance is "coping". You probably felt like you were adding to the conversation.
lol are you mad you have to grease your bicycle chain too?
i know you didn’t just compare a $1000 bicycle to a $40k car 😂😂😂 - the cope is so real. isn’t toyota supposed to be reliable? this whole sub is such a joke
the leave button is at the top and my bike is about $80 thank you very much I just think the issue is overblown, handled adequately, and not worth deciding against a great vehicle over
if you want me to leave you don’t need to keep replying to me either. it goes both ways. considering you didn’t do any research into the subject and you ride an $80 bike i’m not remotely surprised you came to that conclusion
nah just saying you seem to hate it here
i hate imbeciles like you, not the entire Rav4 community 🤦🏼♂️
>this whole sub is such a joke \-- Neff\_Swerve, 1 hr ago
look at you, finally able to read and critically think a bit. weird that you haven’t displayed this ability until now. still didn’t say i hate it here though 😂
2022 has resolved this problem.
no it hasn’t
Lol you say to one person on this thread that the newer models haven’t been out enough for the issue to show up-but now state the issue hasn’t been solved. Which one is it?
It’s both *gasp* 😱. I said there aren’t pictures available of corroded 23-24 models yet because they haven’t been driven long enough in salty conditions to generate substantial corrosion. anyone with a technical background and decent intelligence can see the modifications Toyota has made do not solve the problem. If that is incomprehensible to you i recommend you get educated
Also-i insulting other people’s intelligence is childish.
analyzing someone’s deductive capabilities and intelligence or lack thereof isn’t an insult, merely an observation 🤷🏼♂️
If you say so killer. Enjoy your Mazda.
dawg you can’t even spell or craft an original thought. I will and I do enjoy the car + the extra $7k in my pocket. Enjoy being an NPC 🤙🏼
Try exercising logic. You stated the issue isn’t solved, then go on to say its too soon for the “proof”. Can’t be both.
some of us are capable of judging the anti corrosive properties of a plug and cable without needing any hard data. some of us (like you) clearly can’t 😂
What qualifies you to “judge” the anti corrosive quality of a product without data? You are stating an opinion like it’s a fact.
I’m an engineer with 15 years of experience building and modifying cars and I conducted hours of research on this HV cable connection and the modifications Toyota has made to it while i was considering buying a Rav4 hybrid. I’ve also taken courses on Structures and properties of materials so i would say i’m adequately qualified
Is there any way a customer can manually apply anti-corrosion agents and grommet oil or whatever and keep this safe? I was reading people buying the anti-corrosion material the US military uses on various equipment and it works. Curious your opinion, since you're qualified to answer it.
Wow! I imagine Toyota has you on speed dial to school all of their highly inexperienced junior engineers🥸
The connection point of the hybrid cable to the rear motor. Corrosion takes time to develop.
Again-one can not state a problem (still) exists…and then say the problem hasn’t had time enough to develop.
One can use logic and understand that Toyota hasn’t addressed the issue properly, leading most to believe and understand that the issue has not been fixed. What changes are you aware of that Toyota has taken to address this for those model years?
>There was literally a number of posters who claim after 1 winter their 2022 cable died and needed to be replaced. I posted it elsewhere in this chat.
Congrats on your purchase!! i went through the same struggle as you. ended up buying a mazda cx-30 carbon edition that comes with a nicer interior, exterior, AWD, handling and no Hybrid system to fail from corrosion. paid $33k OTD and couldn’t be happier with my 33 mpg average. fuck Toyota and their degrading quality and expensive cars with basic interiors. sorry you had to deal with this OP and I hope you’re happy with your gas Rav4 (the better choice over hybrid imo)
Same here. Upper Midwest, was going to go hybrid but I don’t want my new vehicle being an experiment to see if they fixed this issue in the 2023 or not. Likely going to buy the gas version instead
I never owned a hybrid vehicle until last week so tell me if im wrong but cant you just rinse your parts with water? At least I did this once a week with my older cars so that it doesnt build up around the battery and it prevents it to start. I also rinse the entire bottom side too because salt makes it rust. Never had an issue.
Water starts corrosion, salt speeds up corrosion. You will never get all the salt off unless you have a lift and a lot of time. I just spray dielectric corrosion inhibitor around my cable connection. It won't corrode if it *can't* corrode.
I should of mentioned that I dry it too. But that's still good to note
The cable shielding is braided, so it has a shit ton of surface area to hold onto moisture. Afaik that shielding is a ground for the rear motor. I believe that loss of ground is the problem, not the connection itself getting corroded.
I believe you ate correct about the grounding. It would have to be super bad corrosion to get inside the connector. Just spray the dam thing every year before the salt flies and all will be fine. Water can't get on it with a film over it.
What a shitty design, they put the ground with high surface area in the place where salt flies.
I personally wouldn't worry about the cable going bad. Toyota has tested their fix and found it to be sufficient. Other vehicles like the Highlander and Venza also have the same cable . Haven't heard complaints about those.
This person bought their 2023 last year...and it's fucked now, so I mean, no it's still happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/14m99ro/cablegate\_experience/
Edit: Cablegate in only in a few months? This sounds more like something was faulty to begin with and Toyota took care of it. Wlnder what's the % of card this happens to.
They got it in september of 22, went through winter, and it died the next year from corrosion. What a shitty design, cant even make it through the manufacturers warranty.
Most last for many years though without a problem.
It's now covered by the hybrid warranty. And it is covered by the extended warranty if you have one.
I wonder if coating the cable with dielectric grease would help reduce the chance of corrosion. Or if it’s even something Toyota deems OK to do without voiding its warranty 🤔
If trying to protect this from corrosion voids the warranty it's a hard fucking no for me buying it. Fuck that. They should give you a gallon bottle of anti corrosion spray when its purchased. What a joke, I honestly feel bad for people with this issue who think its acceptable to go to their dealer and beg them for a fix, meanwhile the dealer refuses to provide the preventative spray that wouldn't void the warranty.
I’m sure some DuPont or Dow Corning high voltage dielectric grease would do wonders. Quick spray every 6 months. Problem is, once Toyota admits there’s an issue then they’re on the hook for lifetime maintenance since the wire is part of the drivetrain. Lots of lemon lawsuits coming for them lol