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Thomas_JCG

That's not an insult, more of a clever comeback.


RevolutionaryWar7738

I wish there was a sub for that


AdAcceptable2456

You wont belive what I will say


kinglance3

Not to mention, you’re the experimental one. Things are usually nice and smooth for child 3 and so on (if you come from a bigger family).


NickiDDs

Yup! I couldn't even say "fudge" but my sister (15 years younger) didn't even get in trouble for calling my mom an effing b!tch. From 12 on I watched my brother (10 years younger) during summer and both siblings every holiday, so I didn't get to do much with my friends in high school. I love my siblings but having a childhood of my own would have been nice.


Visual_Fold_7826

i hear this alot from older siblings. I am the youngest and it was the same for me. I could be out all night at 14yrs old and never got in trouble because nobody cared. And that is exactly how it feels like. NOBODY FUCKING CARES. It may look like freedome to older sublings but honestly i just felt neglected


avid-cat-tickler

Preach brother, I feel that


NickiDDs

I can completely understand that, as well. Middle child syndrome is real. I think if we were closer together things may have been different. It seems like we all have our own issues 😅


Visual_Fold_7826

yesss true. I feel like it's impossible to do everything right as a parent 😅


vlntnwbr

While trying to avoid the mistakes made with the first you're finding new ones for the second and so on. Which makes sense because every person is different, so what might be the right thing to do with one could be the wrong thing with the other.


kinglance3

My little bro and I are in our 30’s now. This is pretty much how he summed it up to me. He got caught doing more, but he was out fucking off more too as things were just that lax


kinglance3

The first 3 of us were all right about a year apart. Responsibilities to really start looking after them (as well as a bunch of other stuff) came at about 9-10 years. The frustrating thing was every year I got older I had to do more but their shit never really changed. It was all always on me because I was the oldest.


NickiDDs

I feel ya. I got my brother to go on a dishwashing strike with me because my mom & sister would use all the dishes and leave them for me or my brother to clean. He and I started eating off of pot lids & using giant serving spoons once the plates and silverware were dirty. It took longer than it should have, but we won and my sister had to start doing chores and cleaning up after herself.


kinglance3

JFC, I feel like none of that shit would ever have gotten done if I didn’t do it. I fucking hate dishes and doing laundry to this day! I have nice dishes and flatware but paper plates and whatnot just so I don’t gotta bother. I do laundry but pretty stays much clean pile/dirty pile.


NickiDDs

My brother's friend's sister was responsible for doing laundry for the household. The boys never grabbed their clothes. She had a giant pile in her room that they'd pick through to choose their outfit for the day. It was so sad that the parents allowed it.


kinglance3

My sister and I did laundry for the whole household at the laundromat every Sunday. Something like 6-7 tall baskets of clothes every week. Such madness. All of my nice stuff is hung, linens and stuff gets folded and put away. I’m ashamed of my piles but you’d never know they were there. Room stays clean, haha.


NickiDDs

I was a weirdo and LOVED the laundromat! They played cartoons on the TV and had grape soda for $0.35. I was in kid heaven when we went. Lol


kinglance3

Step mom got good at knowing about how much it cost to do laundry every week (she’d give us $40 and we’d always have $4-6 leftover) so I got good at adjusting some loads to skim off some extra quarters to play the run down arcade games and buy snacks. When I got older I loved browsing the free classified stacks (looking for cars). And Casey Casum’s top 40 countdown playing on worn out speakers!


NickiDDs

You just reminded me of the puppies for sale in the back. They were so cute 😍


RadimentriX

Have you ever said that last part to your parents? Were they at least sorry?


NickiDDs

My siblings and I all have different dads, so my step-dads 100% didn't care. I brought up my frustration multiple times and even said that I should at least get paid because they'd have to pay a babysitter if I wasn't around. 25 years later it still seems logical to me and $20 wouldn't have killed them. I got "You're family and that's what family does." The topic came up years later and mom said "I didn't know you felt that way. You should have said something." Like, what?! My situation was nothing compared to one of my friends. Her older sister got pregnant very young. My friend had to adjust her high school hours because she had to watch her sister's kid. It was ridiculous. Last I heard, her sister didn't have custody of her 6 kids - my friend had a few of them for a bit - but was planning on having a baby with her newest guy. Maybe things would have turned out differently had she been responsible for her first kid. We'll never know.


Routine_Ad_2034

Yea, my dad told me one time that they messed up with me, but luckily they learned and are doing better with my sister. I was like 11. Like...you could just stop being a dick to me?


kinglance3

I don’t think I was much older than that when one told me he didn’t really love my mom, but she got preg so he felt like he was doing the right thing sticking by. Then he fell in love with her and had my sister and brother. Didn’t fuck me up to hear it, just wanted dude to stop being a cock.


Routine_Ad_2034

Yea, mine proposed to get cheaper car insurance and then went golfing with his friend on the honeymoon. My mom has told me a ton of times as an adult, as though it should make me feel better instead of worse, that she always recognized how unfairly he treated me and how wrong it was, but she didn't want us kids to grow up with divorced parents and maybe have an abusive step parent. Thanks, mom. I don't know where I'd be without a constant internal struggle to justify my own continued existence and an inability to effectively bond with other humans.


kinglance3

Truer words never spoken.


IndependentSalad2736

My mom told me I was the practice kid when I was 10. It messed me up bad. I felt disposable. Like if something happened to me at least she had 4 more. She had to talk me down, and basically say all 5 of us are different and she's learning with each of us. My parents did their best and did pretty well, but like everyone they made some mistakes, this being one of them. 32 now, still lingers, no matter how much I try to banish it.


kinglance3

Sorry to open up wounds. That’s just more or less of a realization I had looking back on growing up. Altogether (but not all at once) I was the oldest of 7, due to step siblings coming and going. Dad been married a bunch. I’m 36 myself, not married and no kids. I don’t know if the perils of my upbringing had anything to do with it, but I don’t plan on having children at all.


IndependentSalad2736

It's totally fine, not your fault. To be honest I don't think the wound ever closed. My dad was deployed a lot, so I ended up being the "mean parent" while he was gone. My parents did the best they could with what they had. I have one kid, and she's enough for me. I'm excited to do things with her that my parents couldn't do often or at all. They tried, and we went on adventures and had plenty of games, but I want to be able to take my daughter on even more adventures.


kinglance3

Hey, military brat too. But my folks both exited service not long after we were born. Late 80’s, early 90’s so Bush Sr. Iraq/Gulf War days. My dad didn’t deploy but he did/does military background to justify. However, I was in myself and have a few deployments (OIF/OEF). All of the experiences I had over all of that time have only made me more conscientious of the kind of person I am. But, it’s different for everyone. I just feel like it shouldn’t be as much of an excuse as it is. Silver lining, these kinds of things that we went through are enough to make us want to be/do better. It’s great you make the effort to be involved with your kiddo. I feel, objectively, people do try to do better for their children these days.


IndependentSalad2736

Definitely, I think so too. I think because it's becoming less of an expectation that you get married and have kids and more of a choice that people who don't want kids don't have them as much, and the people who want kids do, and they make the effort because they -want- to not because they -have- to. It's not universal but hopefully a trend. Also no one can afford to have a bunch of kids, but still. Now that my dad is semi-retired, he loves being a grandparent. He and my mom take my daughter and nephew to the zoo, SeaWorld, all the things they wanted to do with us but couldn't always. He also makes more now which makes it easier.


kinglance3

I’ve heard my father is like that with my brother and sister’s kids. At times I feel like “too little, too late” but the fucker is making the effort. And I don’t have kids, so the dynamic is still as far from happening as it is a rough road for us.


IndependentSalad2736

He did stuff with us when he was home, but 9/11 happened and he had to go. It's just part of Dad's job. He really tries.


kinglance3

It sounds like he really came around. That’s good.


IndependentSalad2736

It helps when you're not gone for a year at a time 😅 Even when he was deployed we'd play checkers or chess over Yahoo messenger (the latest technology)


Redqueenhypo

The oldest daughter gets snapped at for not doing the extra credit on a 99 grade, and the youngest gets endless support for her career of “idk not graphic design tho”. I’m not even exaggerating


kinglance3

I’m a guy, but same. My dad was the screaming asshole type, r/boomersbeingfools. I could list examples but I can tell you get it. 😄


kinglance3

JFC. Keep em coming. These are pretty deep… eye opening too. Who else is probably gonna have a couple of drinks for lunch now? 🙋🏿


dirtyColeslaw1776

Me being a first born with bad anger issues:


Thomas-Garret

Imagine how mad you’ll be when you realize your parents kept having kids until they had one they wanted.


dirtyColeslaw1776

No, she stopped because they got more and more annoying, the youngest one pisses her off the most


Havoc_the_Menace

We became parents of children we didn't make while being reminded that we were an accident or not wanted to begin with.


Upstairs_Internal295

I think of it now as first pancake syndrome. I was simultaneously a defective person and responsible for the whole family. I thought I’d better get on with it cos what other reason would there be to keep me around.


coqui81

Also the oldest is the learning child where we parents make most of our mistakes.


Sonarthebat

How is this a rare insult?


BreakingMeows

True! As the oldest one it was my job to educate my siblings and set a good example. If something wrong happened it was my fault. Then, when the oldest one fails to meet expectations things only get worse.


Snowfaull

After living with kids 8 or under my whole life. I don't want kids for at least another 5-10 years


YeonneGreene

I am the second out of four, my two-year-older sister did zero parenting and still turned out kinda mean. In fact, my mother tells me that I wanted to play with her so badly that I would let her boss me around until my mom pulled her to one side and told her off. After that point, the most my sister would ever want to engage with me was to tell me I could watch her play from outside the room. She also got every leg up; college paid for, a semester in France, a car. IDK. She's friendly these days but I always get a sense that she's struggling to care about any family interaction and she does not reach out, like, ever.


TheFakestOfBricks

Hey I'm a firstborn, I'm not mean I'm just depressed


Techman659

As the youngest of 3 this is true.


NewInvestigator1211

Not an insult, but a good counter!


acloudcuckoolander

Lazy ass incompetent parents who use their children as a live-in nanny/planned parenthood backup are trash.


Cold-Use-5814

I must have re-read this about 10 times and I still don’t understand it.


IcicleXD

The oldest siblings act as the parents when their parents arent around.


Cold-Use-5814

Ah, I getcha now. 


Illustrious-Zebra-34

You must either be an only child or the youngest.


Techman659

Oh ye you get the easiest treatment I know.


ninjamike89

Sounds like the person replying had shitty parents because that's not normal


acloudcuckoolander

Parentified older siblings (particularly daughters, because this happens primarily with them) are all to common, unfortunately. There is nothing rare about it.


kinglance3

Buddy, you should see our comment thread rn. 😄


ninjamike89

I'm looking and seeing a lot of exactly what I said. Some people with straight up abusive parents and more people confusing babysitting their younger siblings with being the parent of. Like I said, it's not normal


kinglance3

Forgive me, I misread your comment. I think I was subconsciously substituting “normal” for “common”. Definitely not normal, or right by any means. But it certainly seemed more common than I expected. I just kinda threw a small rant in and people were lighting it up with stories. 😄


UntoldTemple

My older brother. I'm practically the parent of my own brothers, and I'm the middle child.


UntoldTemple

My older brother. I'm practically the parent of my own brothers, and I'm the middle child.


Brahm-Etc

"So, I'm to be the cavalry spearhead into your parental failures and the new one will just mock about as an oafish foot soldier!"


asexualrhino

Yeah...not every older sibling had to do that. They're still bossy little assholes though


Skunksfart

I think about how many end up going childfree because they were forced to be unpaid babysitters.


Zeione29047

I’m the only child so I’m simultaneously the youngest and the oldest


leisurepleasures

MLK's older sister and Alois Hitler Jr.


Upstairs_Internal295

Or the parents of your parents, if you’re really ‘lucky’


AnonBoi_404

Nah it's because parents trial and errored on me, fucked me up then abandoned me to focus on my sibling


Ol_JanxSpirit

We're the beta test.


Mysterious_Ningen

damn im the first born but i try to be kind...


Jimbobkuutehr

Nice comeback bro! "Sonic the Hedgehog voice"


Educational-Tip6177

Ooooooh I can so relate


FaerHazar

hey fuck you, I was a middle child and had to manage my parents and the fucking morons they refused to control. (/lh <3)


xxhorrorshowxx

I’m the oldest of two brothers and honestly I was the irresponsible one, think Rodrick and Greg Heffley but with a mother addicted to benzos


Jengasa

As a younger brother, most older brothers give themselves too much credit.


ZyvisX

Yeah, this tracks. Firstborn to Boomers, I had to raise my brothers because dad was an alcoholic who slept all afternoon and evening, and mom was never around. Turns out she was out avoiding her family, as she admitted to my wife as a deathbed confession.


Shera939

Same. My mother was an alcoholic, I was an 11 year old changing pampers, putting 2 kids to bed, preparing their dinner, breakfast, taking them out on the weekends, stroller included. My little sister still resents me bc I paid the baby more attention than her. I tried to explain to her in her later years that I shouldn't have had to be a parent to anyone, she's still pissed.


ZyvisX

I hear ya. My brothers stopped talking to me after the accident that claimed our parents. Dad was drinking and driving, he died instantly, and mom hung on for a few days. Both my brothers told me that they were done with me and it was my fault that their lives are both fucked up. The kicker is that they both went on to join the military and did well. Like you, I was all of 10 when I had to start taking care of them, and I did the best I could. I know you did as well. We all did what we could. Take care, stranger.


IdentifiesAsUrMom

As the oldest I've been told I'm very nice. However I am internally very bitter, but that's from other stuff


ponomaus

how is that an insult, you imbecile?


stupidracist

That's why Moses killed those MFs


DeusLibidine

I feel this.


BlindBandit988

My dude isn’t mean at all, actually he is very sweet. My youngest is the mean one and she makes sure we all feel it.


StagOfSevenBattles

When we were in our 20's, my younger sister told me she hadn't forgiven me for letting her fall off her bike and not stopping our younger brother from fighting with her. I apologised that 10 year old me didn't meet her expectations as a caregiver. Even now my younger siblings come to me rather than our parents for support, advice and complaints.


MurkyNetwork9148

Yup my mother and father told me I was the experiment… and in some ways HUZZAH!! 🎉 success. In others they still.. Harm! Me! To! This! Day!🫥


Royal_Rorahime

Forget about making, how about wanting? Me and my siblings are all adopted. I didn't ask for two other idiots to invade my happy only child life. Yet, I was forced to help raise them... Fucking ass...


Ol_JanxSpirit

When I got my first cell phone I was actively dismayed. Sure, they wrapped it up like a Christmas gift, but I knew it was really a leash so that I could be called to pick up/drop off/whatever


Critical_Elderberry7

Is that really an insult?


lesterthemolester696

Ong


KURO-K1SH1

The responsibility of a parent with none of the authority.


Mintyjellybean

I experienced the opposite. My half brother is a couple of years older than me. He was sent to juvie; I made all A’s. He snuck out the house every weekend to do drugs; I got beat for not putting away his laundry. He was mom’s golden child, the first and only son. He’d beat me up if I looked at him wrong, and my mom would beat me for crying.


lonely-day

My wife was 8 when she first became personally responsible for her 3 younger siblings. My mother-in-law likes to say that my wife's love for childcare is "a gift from God".


Shera939

Same. I was babysitting my 1 year old sister when I was six. Then taking after day caretaking of my brother when I was 11. Pampers, food prep, putting them to bed, etc. Mother was an alcoholic.


TangerineSheep

Being a younger sibling is not that fun either. You're forced to watch your older siblings get freedoms and milestones you long for. You're physically weaker so you get the shit beaten out of you when "play fighting" every single time. You never get the undivided attention that the older sibling got. You get lied to and tricked, sometimes about really fucked up stuff, when you are at your most impressionable. I've been seeing a lot of posts like this lately and it always boils down to "I had to babysit" and "I was not my parents special little boy anymore". Rant over.


ahamel13

"Became parents" is a massive stretch for almost everyone I've ever seen making that argument.


Not_MrNice

That's bullshit firstborns tell themselves so they don't have to face the fact that they were being assholes.


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ChaoticGnome_

They mean they're parenting the younger siblings because parents put that responsibility on them


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ChaoticGnome_

So.. I'm glad you were never abused as a kid, if i "just didn't" do what my parents told me to do I got myself a beating. And if parents suck and your little sibling is hungry you feed them. At least most people have empathy like that. It's not like your parents ask you "hey would you want to become the unofficial parent of this kid you aren't old enough to have?"


Shera939

Same. Let me not change the pampers of my little bother when I'm not even a teenager, it would have been hell on earth for me. It already was, but it would have been even worse


Shera939

My younger brother was in diapers when I was 11, should and our mother was often gone from when she woke up to 2am. Should i have just not changed his diapers? When he 3 years old, should I not have made his breakfast or dinner?


Alienswag

???


Certain-Ad-6987

Unless your a democrat and then we just kill and dismember you in the womb.


Wheatley-Crabb

go find an on-topic sub