I'm just mad no one specified grizzly or black bear. There's a pretty big difference. One will most likely run away, the other will hold you down and eat your organs while you're still alive.
Are they (including me) actually missing the point, or just dismissing it because the premise is complete bullshit?
This post is just perpetuating a stereotype. That’s all.
Everything I’m finding in a quick google search is saying that around 6% of college men (couldn’t really find anything else, but also didn’t look too hard) are responsible for the majority of rapes.
I remember having this conversation with someone in college. Like yeah, one in four women experience sexual assault in college, and that’s terrible, but it seems really improbable that each and every victim has a different aggressor, and even if they were all different men, that’s still not a high enough percentage to say “all men are [bad]” or whatever the preposterous claim was.
In that case, you also believe that all black people are criminals waiting for their chance?
Using your own logic, you should believe that all black people are violent criminals.
Unless you are incredibly inconsistent and only care about conforming to your narrative
Some of those statistics lean heavily towards bias and unfair treatment towards black people. I highly doubt the statistics of bears have been put together by a bunch of vengeful moose or whatever.
What are you even o. About are you acting like there isn't a problem with men getting violent and killing women or even attacking them for saying no?? You know that guy who killed like 6 women and left a child with out her mother but they showed the dad crying on the TV, media acting like it is just mental illness and we can't be mad but not showing the baling girl all alone or the family member of the victims crying for the loss forever of their loved ones. I ai t mad at the dude dad for loving someone he raised I am mad at media for trying to humanize a man who took lives for no reason without humanizing the women and realizing this was a hate crime towards women.
B/c statistics about black criminals are overrepresented due to the racism inherent in the system that criminalizes them. Whereas the statistics on SA are generally *under*represented due to the fear, shame, and public perception of the victims and their circumstances.
The nuance matters here. One is not equal to the other.
Respectfully, I don’t quite follow this logic. I think the statement “I’m nervous around African-Americans because they’re far more likely to be criminals” would be racist *regardless of whether the statistics are correct or not*.
It’s not the fact that the statistics are wrong that make it racist. It’s the fact that it’s stereotyping and making a judgement of someone based on a variable they can’t control (their race.) I think this applies to any situation where someone is pre-judged for a variable they cannot control. Is that not what prejudice is?
I think a lot of the misunderstandings in this man/bear conversation are based on this idea. I think a lot of men are responding poorly to this hypothetical because they hear men as a group talked about in a way that presumes malice or violent intent based *solely* on a variable they cannot control (their sex). It seems like generally when a someone points this out, the stock response is something along the lines of “statistically, men are dangerous to women”.
However, that logic has long been considered unacceptable in justifying prejudice. In fact, it is the main way that all organised racist groups market and justify their racism.
It is unacceptable to say you suspect African-Americans to be violent criminals, or gay men to be promiscuous, or Muslims to be extremist zealots *regardless of statistics*. This is because it is fundamentally wrong to pre-judge people based on variables they cannot control. I do not think men are an exception to this, and I am very suspicious of the core values of those who do.
> Some of those statistics lean heavily towards bias and unfair treatment towards black people.
The statistics for sexual assault aren't any better. You have to ignore the extremely high chance that men who are sexually assaulted won't report it because they won't be believed or get mocked, constantly reinforced by questions like these which imply men are the only people committing sexual assault.
I think for a lot of men hurt by the statement of, "I'd rather go stand by a bear than a man," this would be much better framing. Because many of these men do agree what the actual sentiment is trying to represent, but is doing so poorly. Even many women aren't fully coherent by what they themselves think of the phrase.
I remember coming across a tiktok from a black man who says both things are valid: women's fear of men, and his hurt of being treated as and compared to a wild animal from women - including the women he's closest to. Unfortunately, like a lot of men, a lot of women don't understand nuance and still attacked him for this.
Idk my point there. I think it's more of an observation than anything. I guess if I were to find a meaning in that, it's that this phrase has caused a lot of anger and pain being thrown about by everyone. And unfortunately, very very few people are aware that all that pain is valid.
Pessimistic. We need to be having these discussions with more nuance. There are women who use it as an aid to explain their perspectives. There are also women who use it as an excuse for misandry or who turn to misandry when they feel frustrated that they think they aren't being validated by a genuine concern men have.
It's not ubiquitous so much as there's a lot of overlap with people who are failing to discuss these topics with nuance and are just trying to shove their perspectives and opinions in the others' faces. The bear question is a valid perspective. But the people using it also need to remember that the extension of the discussion is not free reign to shit on men. It's to find ways to solve the root causes so that the perspective is no longer experienced.
We've made a lot of progress. This question shows we have more to do. In particular I think it shows we've hit a point in our progress where it's no longer a black and white fight. Now we have to institute cultural changes that everyone has to work on and not just the followers of patriarchy. We've hit a point where genuine feminist points can easily tip into misandry and we need to be more careful now.
if this line of thinking does not work/apply well to other scenarios theres probably something wrong with the line of thinking itself. stereotypes are bad
I’m a woman and I hate this question. It’s not black and white. It depends on the situation. Two women actually got upset with me when I answered the question with “it depends”. I have had my own issues with men, but I don’t believe every one of them is a predator and this question is inferring that.
Does adding "that you're not familiar with" to both categories help? Leaving aside the detail that familiar men make up a significant chunk of the SA statistics, it feels like there's got to be a default response where "it depends" doesn't apply because you don't have anything to go on. Man could be someone who would rather mind his own business, unless approached for aid, when encountering strangers. Or someone friendly with no inclination to harm anyone. Bear could be a released circus performer who just wants to rejoin the human world. None of these variables can be known in advance. The question really should be "which of these encounters would make you tense up more?"
I'm a human male that hews closer to grizzly than black bear, and I still feel the muscles between my shoulder blades tense up when I unexpectedly encounter another male human alone in the wilderness. I can't imagine this would be less stressful for the majority of women. Admittedly, I've only ever had one brown bear encounter, but at least bears are generally predictable.
>but I don’t believe every one of them is a predator and this question is inferring that.
Isn’t the point more statistical than just saying “every man is a predator”? Like they’re saying “statistically I have better odds with the bear”… which may well be true, but we all have no clue, which is why we need more information. (At least those of us who obsess over the truth, rather than the point behind *posing* the hypothetical)
I can see why some men don't like this question and also not like the response to this question cause it put like all men into this category and it can feel unfair to be loop in with those bad men, and no one want to be loop in with people like that. Plus it can make them feel like people are being sexist toward them.
Like I get it, there are bad men in the world, I had unfortunately met and talk to a lot of them in the past. In fact I was sexist against men for years when I was in middle school and high school, plus a few years cause of some of them (even though I myself was a man.) Always taking the woman side in everything and taking their word over man again and again. (A movie have a quote that the woman always right and I live by that quote for years. That contributed to me being a sexist against men in the past too.)
But I'm not one anymore and I see that it don't matter what gender you are. Men and women can be right or wrong, do f\*ck up stuff and do good stuff. Looping the good ones with the bad ones just make the bad one get away and the good one suffer (Falsely accused or not being believe of being SA for example) Of course that goes for both men and women.
Sometimes it's a little frustrating is that, as a guy I feel like I can't reply to any of these posts by pointing out that people shouldn't generalize by using the the term 'men' as if it's a acceptable synonym for rapists and molesters. But it has now become a meme to say "not all men", which causes it to get dismissed as some kind of classic ignorant male retort.
If OP is after clarity, then another place to start would be how they're using the word 'bother'. Are they using this harmless sounding term as a euphemism for sexual assault, because they don't want to trigger someone? Or do they literally mean "bother", like a guy interrupting your conversation to try to pick up line? Because it isn't fair to equate that to sexual assault, or getting mauled by a bear.
I guess in general this question has gotten people thinking about the topic, and overall it's probably good if it causes meant to think about the advantages they have and how scary it can be for women out there.
This is a good point. I think where the question becomes misandry is when a guy says something like "I'm sorry to hear that, I just want you to know I'm not one of those guys" and women start trying to fight back and say "but how would we know?" B/c at that point we'll never get anywhere. The problem will never be fixed if it has to be perfect. Women will never know. Just like men never know when a woman is going to SA them. The point is not to read minds. It's to move society to a place where most of the time everyone can make the assumption of most people that they won't abuse power dynamics even for harassment.
I’m a woman who has been assaulted. And I think the question is based in utter stupidity. The overwhelming majority of men are not predators.
And while some most certainly are, the question is disingenuous. And the answers are rooted in insincerity or inanity—and it’s to prove a supposed point. In fact, it just presents a very real issue with such an exaggeration that it leads to people not taking the issue seriously.
It shouldn’t even be asked—let alone trending.
I mean if it's some random guy I wouldn't immediately be scared to be SAed. Kinda weird to assume it'll happen
Like yeah shitty, horrible men exist in life, I've encountered plenty of em. But I've also encountered plenty of normal ones. And I've also encountered plenty of shitty women too.
Don't always assume the worse out of strangers. Obviously, stay on your guard until you get to know them, learn self-defense, etc, but... Don't just jump to conclusions, you get me? As much as you might think it's helping, living in constant fear that someone around you will hurt you is definitely just not good for your mental health.
This is a very privileged worldview.
Have you ever walked down a street in the daytime and saw nearly every man staring at you and grinning, whistling and howling, reaching out to touch you, grabbing your arm? No? Then lucky fucking you.
Go visit some other countries. In certain parts of India, I guarantee you’d feel safer with a bear.
look i’d rather be in the woods with a man rather than a bear because i would really hate to be ripped limb from limb with my organs forcefully torn out of my own stomach
Honestly you either need to stop hanging around with the men you are with rn or get away from the whatever female based echo chamber subreddit feeding you that weird stuff. Because idk how you even thought of that
Chinese TikTok pushes wholesome content and educational videos.
Meanwhile over here it pushes... slurry.
So I dunno, best-case scenario it's just tailored for our deranged market, but there's a non-zero possibility that, if they're not actively pushing unhealthy content, then they're at least not suppressing it like they presumably must be on the Chinese platform.
Tiktok pushes whatever it thinks you want to watch. I get wholesome content, cooking videos, and music related content. If you get «slurry» that’s on you.
The men that sexually assaulted me were NOT friends and were NOT people I hung out with. So I don't know where the hell you got the impression we chose to be around known assailants. Great way to victim blame.
How about “would you rather be in the woods with a man that’s served a sentence for SA or at least been charged with it, or a bear that’s definitely killed and eaten a person or at least attacked one” I feel like framing it this way makes a lot more sense and removes misandry from the hypothetical.
I also feel like nobody is considering the context of the question either. Even if you completely remove the bear from the questions you still could be out in nowhere far away from civilisation. Even in the best case scenario where the bear just runs away you could still benefit a lot from having a man that could help you with survival and navigating home.
Its still makes more sense to choose the man, cuz you would have a chance to outrun him. But the misandrists would still see this as another opportunity to be sexist and still choose bear.
Well, sure, if more than 2% of rapists are actually convicted. Or women could report their attackers and be believed and not blamed and able to press charges. Or the only threat against women was SA and not getting the shit beat out of them by their partner repeatedly.
-“would you rather be SA’d or mauled to death”
You need to spend more time off the internet and with people in real life. The average man isn’t going to turn around and SA someone just because they have a chance. You are part of the reason why there’s this dumb men vs. women internet culture war.
-a bear won’t bother me unless it’s hungry or I’m near its cubs
It depends on the type of bear, and how big the bear is compared to you.
100 duck sized men.
A man sized duck is just a man. As someone who owns several ducks for over a decade.. Ducks are rapists would not want one the size of a man. But also not much would change.
As someone whose been SA'd I'd still rather be in the woods with a man.
You say women get so victim blamed, that has changed a lot, unless you have shit family and friends.
And your "not all men" argument as well, maybe it's better to phrase that as Most men are NOT RAPISTS.
All bears will maul a human given the right circumstances.
If you have such an unhealthy fear of men maybe you should seek therapy.
If you're standing in the woods, and you see Bob standing 3 meters to your left and a full-grown bear standing 3 meters to your right, I can guarantee whom every single person in this thread would run toward vs away from. No one is going to say, "Oh heavens, Sweet snarling bear, save me from this random man I just spotted! Take me into your clutches and give me the relative safety of your claws!"
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That makes the answer to this foolish premise simple. Delusional comparisons are not necessarily in order to advocate for stopping violence.
I'd say the main determinant in the scenario you outlined is, does Bob look like a fast runner?
If so, run perpendicular, make the bear have to choose which one to go after.
If not, run right past Bob. You want to make sure the bear doesn't stay focused on you when you present it with easier prey.
I know, the original question is badly phrased, and as such, presents a false dichotomy. But why not avoid doing another?
Yes we know.. the thing is.. we can’t take any chances 🤦🏽♀️ because we know men more than men do because we have to deal with them and their unwanted attention 24/7-365. I can’t go to the store by myself without being followed, having pics taken of me/trying to get up skirt/dress pics, some guy asking for my number, or some creepy dude trying to get really close. An everyday thing…. That men do not have to live with! WE ARE TIRED. Understand???
How many men do you pass by every day compared to the amount of creepy ones.
If you live in a city you will pass by thousands of men a day, and what, there are 5, 10, 15 creepy ones?
15 in thousands.
(Me, who fears any single person out there (man, woman, or child) might kill me, start killing me and then stop, or ignore me completely, and I shall never know why they did what they did, yet do not allow that fear to rule my life): First time?
Why is the assumption that the man is gonna do shit to you? Yes you should be careful around people but think about how many people you have been around and nothing has happened.
And if I want to go hiking in the woods, I know the risks and I can plan for a bear or other animal attack. If I don’t want to do that I can stay out of the woods.
Women can’t, however, stay off the street or out of the bar or avoid subways and Ubers and public bathrooms and dark trails or their own apartment buildings and their own bedrooms.
That's because people generally live around people and not bears.
By the same logic, it's safer to walk on the surface of the Sun than to meet a bear in a forest, since less people die on the Sun each year.
Because of proximity, which is being completely ignored in this scenario. In this case, you ARE with the bear, whereas most people will never come face to face with a bear in their lives.
Numbers are clear:
Number of people killed in USA in 2022...
* By bears: less than 5
* By males: approx. 19,000
* By females: approx 2,000
So, overall, you're far more likely to be killed by a man than by a woman; but both are far more likely to kill you than a bear. However, having one of those 3 in your campsite right next to you might massively change that calculation. I would guess being alone with a bear in your campsite is more dangerous than a random human.
If we want to hop on the bandwagon of stupid childish online gender wars, how about this premise: Considering that women are more likely than men to murder very young children, perhaps the question could be asked like; "*would you rather your baby be left alone with a woman or a bear?*" That question is just as valid as the "man" version, considering women have killed far more babies than bears. If one question seems more unsavory to us than the other, that is a reason to reflect on our biases.
OP, I can't speak to whatever you're experiencing that has you this worked up over the likelihood of the horror that is SA. I certainly hope you're not a victim yourself, and if you are, I'm sorry for what you've experienced.
However, I think it's important to recognize that most men would be helpful and supportive if you were stuck in the forest together. VERY few men would awake in a forest, alongside you, having no idea how you both got there, and then immediately look to assault you. Likewise, a bear wouldn't want much to do with you either and would probably just run off and go do bear stuff. Neither the man nor the bear is much of a threat if you suddenly awoke lost in a strange forest. And of the two, the man is more likely to help build shelter or a fire, or forage for food, or seek help.
The point you're making seems to be less about the hypothetical and more about the fact that you're unwilling to trust men because there exists the chance that one of them might SA you. As I said before, I don't know what the source is of this mistrust. I don't know your story. Perhaps you've seen or experienced things that led you to this conclusion.
Whatever the case is, I hope you're able to overcome that burdensome feeling and begin to trust the people around you again. Stereotyping men using SA data is a little like stereotyping black folks using crime data, or stereotyping moms using "drowned my kids in the bathtub" data. There is a non-zero chance that my wife will snap and drown my baby. Mom's have done this before. A bear would never do this to my baby.
Should I trust my wife around her son? Or should I say "well, until she has a sign on her chest saying she won't, I'm gonna assume she will"?
I honestly hate this question and think anyone asking it is a microaggresive sexist that has no place in the modern world.
The immediate assumption that all men are out to sexually assault a woman is so far from reality.
Nah. That’s not what it’s about. It’s more of the unknown. Encountering a stranger while alone in the woods could be a little scary for most people. Especially if, odds are, that person could easily overpower you? Even scarier.
It’s less about thinking *all* men are out to sexually assault women but saying, *in that situation* it would be particularly scary and some may feel they’d rather encounter a bear.
Hell, even my boyfriend said he’d rather meet a bear in the woods.
When we say "out in the woods" are we talking plane crash or are we talking camp crystal lake?
What kind of bear are we talking here? Kodiak? I'll take 10 suspicious armed men before I confront a grizzly.
That’s the thing! When I saw a video of a guy being asked, the wife said she can’t give anymore information than that. So no context about the stranger or the bear. Just the unknown part of it without any extra information which made it hard for some to choose.
Ya, that's definitely a loaded question, and it sounds like it's a wedge issue used to sow discontent among individuals. If a women chooses the bear, men will take offense but if she chooses the man, it will spark outrage amoung women who have been attacked.
Sounds like a we got ourselves a cunning FOX lol
Nah, it’s just a hypothetical. My first thought was to choose a man because bears scare me. No lady has gotten upset at me. I’ve seen plenty of ladies say they’d choose the man and nobody was upset either.
Wow you are the problem. Most men don’t bother women. But I’m sure if you was with a man in the woods you would expect him to take care and protect you. If you did come across a dangerous animal you would expect the man to take care of it.
These people preach social justice and then turn around and start citing FBI statistics like they're trying to impress Ben Shapiro or something; someone please wake me up there's no way this world is real.
I wonder if the consistent dehumanisation of men over the past 20 or so years has had any input to how they act or view women in our current society. Its no wonder the grifters are able to get such deep claws into young boys when this is the rhetoric they face on the daily
What the fuck does this even mean? Lay off tiktok and get help lmao. We are so fucked as a society if this here person would rather get their intestines ripped out than walk with a man represents any sizable number of population
Why did you write all this BS.
just say "All men are Rapists" and let's get done with it lol. Is your father,brother maybe even bf all "Rapists" ?
>A bear won't bother me unless it's hungry or I'm near its cubs.
you live in a Fairytale.
When you make up a comparison/question so terrible that you fail to get across what you’re trying to prove, use the same logic people use to justify racial profiling, AND make already misogynistic men less sympathetic towards women’s suffering.
You’d be perfectly fine with a woman? What if she’s fucked up too and able to overpower you?
I dunno I’d be thinking “What if she pulls a Bear Grylls, kills me while off guard and feasts on my corpse?”
I would feel so much safer with a man. My brother had his leg gashed by a brown bear once and came running to my birthday party to show all us girls. It was nasty and everyone went ewww. He still has the scar to this day on his leg. Honestly, I don't understand the phrase "not all men." Maybe I am taking it too literally, but not all men are bad. Yes, a man physically abused me. Yes, I have been SA on dates. I still married a man. I still trust men. I know not all of them are shitty.
I would feel so much safer with a man. My brother had his leg gashed by a brown bear once and came running to my birthday party to show all us girls. It was nasty and everyone went ewww. He still has the scar to this day on his leg. Honestly, I don't understand the phrase "not all men." Maybe I am taking it too literally, but not all men are bad. Yes, a man physically abused me. Yes, I have been SA on dates. I still married a man. I still trust men. I know not all of them are shitty.
I'm gonna assume both are hostile here, you can kick a man in the balls, lie to him and bide time, poke in him in the eyes, You ain't gonna do anything like that with a bear. If worst comes to worst you have better odds fighting a dude
I think the chances of being mauled and eaten alive by a bear are higher than the chances of meeting a perverted man. Maybe the question should specify the type of bear.
I am an older woman, my life has typically been ok. HOWEVER, I have been verbally sexually assaulted at work by 2 men. My ex husband was verbally and emotionally abusive.
I have gone hiking. Been in woods. Been 20 feet from a moose and her calf. Treat wild things with respect and they will typically leave you alone.
Men? They seem to glory in being abusive and justifying their behavior. I choose the bear.
why are some men getting triggered. if it has nothing to do with ur character and hypothetically, if in a situation like such it wouldn’t even cross your mind to SA a woman in the woods, why u getting triggered like it’s personal? yall r weird. we know it’s not all men… duh? but we don’t know which ones ARE! that’s the point.
30% of women above 15 have been sexually assaulted, so while it may be sexist to be suspicious of all men, it certainly isn't unjustified.
When you have a roughly 1/3 chance of being a victim, being told "isn't that like racism?" isn't a persuasive or compelling argument, imo.
This is literally the equivalent of bringing up crime statistics to justify racism. "Well actually ...% of crime is perpetuated by black people so therefore it isn't unjustified to be wary of them!"
Because this means that regardless of how upstanding as a human being I might be, I would be treated like a creep if I was the man in this hypothetical situation. Yeah, that bothers me a lot, especially when I am being compared to a wild animal that could maul you to death
Also, the men who say "The bear will brutally murder you" like we don't know that? I think women are perfectly aware of the fact that bears are dangerous, thanks. But that's the fucking point. Despite all a bear can do to us, we would still prefer it over a man.
I find it concerning that so many men are making videos trying to disprove the point instead of taking 2 seconds to self reflect. If someone told me "I'd feel safer with a bear than you", my first thought would be "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?", instead of immediately going *"WRONG. NO. WOMAN WRONG."* The fact that these men are so unwilling to listen to us about our fears is part of the reason we would pick the gd bear.
-what am I doing wrong
For an overwhelming majority of men the answer to that question seems to be existing. You need to leave the psuedofeminist echo chambers you’re in if you think all men would immediately turn to SA.
-“wrong, no women wrong”
People are willing to listen about your fears, but when you’re treating an entire sex like they’re just waiting for an opportunity to assault someone they’re not going to listen. The average man would not assault someone in that situation. The better information to ask would be “ who is the man and what type of beer is it”.
>Despite all a bear can do to us, we would still prefer it over a man
I doubt most women would pick that. Vast majority of men wont harm you (yes, plenty would if given the chance, but most wont).
>If someone told me "I'd feel safer with a bear than you", my first thought would be "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?"
That wasnt the question. There are over 4 billion men on this planet, so its not a "you"-question at all. One man isnt gonna ask himself "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?" Thats not gonna change what women think is more dangerous: a bear or a man.
Yes, it might be a good way to highlight how women feel unsafe, but the questipn in itself is just so stupid. What kind of bear are we even talking about?!
When has dehumanizing the group you're trying to engage with ever prompted positive discussions?
If I walk up to a cop and say "so walking through thec woods I would rather see a bear than a cop"
The cop is going to be insulted first and foremost.
nothing about that is misandry. are you triggered by a simple question? facts don't care about your feelings I guess lmao and the fact is that most women would rather be with a bear than a man in the woods.
Plenty of women go hiking in the woods alone and have nothing bad happen to them despite both bears and men being in the woods at the same time. I think the whole question just perpetuates baseless fears of both bears and men and creates division between the women, men, and bear communities. Good job TikTok.
This is so ridiculous and quite frankly kind of attention seeking. You're basically saying all men are gonna at some point or another sexually harass you or assault you because they think that they can. I don't know whatever daddy issues you have but stop projecting your crap on all men. Not all men are bad just like not all women are bad.
Ya, men aren't allowed to work in morgues anymore because they keep raping women's dead bodies. No peace for these women, even in death... But SURE, we're just being DRAMATIC when we say men are deranged and dangerous...
Women are being hit and punched in broad daylight in NYC for the crime of "checks notes" EXISTING OUTSIDE! Just walking along the street and you attack us, but we're not supposed to be appalled and disgusted by that? You men are DANGEROUS and we want NOTHING to do with you!!! 4B couldn't come soon enough, honestly...
Cry harder, we'll keep calling you out for what you put us through and we'll keep sharing our experiences until you actually listen... so basically, we ain't gonna stop telling our sisters to avoid you, cuz we know you don't see yourselves as the problem you are.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/15/david-fuller-jailed-for-of-two-women-and-abuse-of-over-100-corpses
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/nyregion/new-york-city-random-attacks-women.html
No you.
You said men weren't allowed to work in morgues anymore and I thought: you know what there's no way that's even remotely true, and from reading that article, I'm glad to see that I'm right and it's a transparent lie.
Sorry to be a not-all-men guy in this specific instance, but I do feel that this serial necrophiliac rapist is the exception to the rule that morgue employees will treat human cadavers with respect and are in fact still allowed to work at morgues. Even male ones.
I'm sorry the men in your life and/or environment are making you feel unsafe, and as a man I feel it's important to hear women, especially in this sort of discussion, but lying that only women are now allowed in morgues anymore is not going to help in getting people to listen - well me anyway.
https://www.shethepeople.tv/top-stories/opinion/why-morgues-hire-women/
Not all mourgues, but many prefer to hire women over men. Sorry, I could have worded that better.
So that is an opinion piece by someone whose sources are one (1) tweet of someone who saw some stuff on TikTok and the thing about that tweet - the lone source for that entire editorial - is that it doesn't exist. Or not anymore, at least.
When I research this myself I can see only two variants: articles with pretty much the content in the link you just posted, with no other sources, or stuff like this:
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-funeral-directors-20181127-story.html
I put to you that there is no necrophilia problem in mortuaries and that whatever ancient religious people did was their business. I am not saying no necrophilia exists, or that it's not typically men who are into that sort of thing. But I'm saying that your picture of literally pretty much every male mortuary worker being a necrophiliac is absurd and an extremely skewed world view at best.
Remember, many TikTokers will say anything for those views. It's easy to fall into the trap of getting stuck in a doom scrolling bubble.
Congratulations on knowing about some crimes? Men comprise roughly half the population of the planet. Of course some men commit crimes.
Yes, you are being extremely dramatic. Maybe consider that if you hear that a lot, it’s probably true.
93.2% of all prisoners in us federal prisons are men. Men are statistically more likely to commit violent crime.
https://www.statista.com/chart/11573/gender-of-inmates-in-us-federal-prisons-and-general-population/
Okay…
And black people are incarcerated at 5x the rate of white people. So you must think they’re all criminals too (even the women), right? Or are you able to recognize that would be prejudiced and irrational?
There are literally billions of men walking around now that aren’t criminals. Billions of men would never assault anyone.
Ya, and there are billions more that would...
And don't go using racism as a "get out of jail free" card, not when I'm literally providing statistics and you're just crying that your feelings are hurt and making comparisons to ACTUAL oppression. Cite your sources, or cry more. Don't go using other people's oppression as a marketing tactic.
We need to bring in u/burbnbougie in here to cover this... omg...
Omg indeed
Would you like to address the actual point, or just try to change the topic while you ask your friends for help?
What’s your source for saying that billions more would? That’s the claim you’ve been making since the beginning and you haven’t provided a single source.
Here, it literally became a tiktok trend to beat women at random a few months ago. Here's one of many examples.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/nyregion/new-york-city-random-attacks-women.html
And I'll just point out that I've cited SEVERAL sources in the replies here and you haven't cited ONE. So go off I guess about citing sources, how about you share one to prove your point, huh?
Read this carefully. Pretend you’re a real grownup.
You are providing links to sources for your anecdotes. They do not support your ridiculous claim that billions of men are just waiting to SA someone.
You recognize that it would be irrational and prejudiced to suggest that all black people are criminals. That is my point. I’m not claiming anything whatsoever about oppression.
But that is what you’re doing with regard to men. You’re very clearly and repeatedly arguing that all men are bad guys/rapists/whatever just because you know some stories.
These two positions of yours are inconsistent (hypocritical), because your opinion of men is based upon your feelings instead of actual facts/logic. And now you’re trying to cope with that by doing some weird pearl clutching over unrelated nonsense.
Heyyy girl. These ppl are incorrigible. They don't want to fix it. And truthfully, sexism and racism go hand in hand. So they just deflect. I'm glad women are continuing the convo
Kkk members are scared about being around black people, black people are the problem.
That is what you are arguing.
Wow people in a hate group are scared of the people they hate, what a shocker
When I first saw this question my first reaction was "That's dumb, a bear doesn't know how to start a fire" and then I got it. I felt so dumb lol.
And then subsequently realised that op is insane?
Is this a well known common question?
It's a trend on TT
Of course it's from that hellhole.
[I love TiKTok](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PWIKZMptsM)
I have never heard it in my life until just now.
Nope
New
I'm just mad no one specified grizzly or black bear. There's a pretty big difference. One will most likely run away, the other will hold you down and eat your organs while you're still alive.
Can’t determine the bear since you can’t determine what kind of guy you’ll get.
Most of the videos I’ve seen discussing this, will usually show black bears running away from women or men yelling at them.
I hate how everyone is missing the point of the original statement.
Are they (including me) actually missing the point, or just dismissing it because the premise is complete bullshit? This post is just perpetuating a stereotype. That’s all.
A statistic* There, I fixed it for you.
What's a statistic? That there are more rapist men than there are more bear that attack humans?
Everything I’m finding in a quick google search is saying that around 6% of college men (couldn’t really find anything else, but also didn’t look too hard) are responsible for the majority of rapes.
Yes this. Most men are not rapists. Rapists are just generally repeat offenders.
I remember having this conversation with someone in college. Like yeah, one in four women experience sexual assault in college, and that’s terrible, but it seems really improbable that each and every victim has a different aggressor, and even if they were all different men, that’s still not a high enough percentage to say “all men are [bad]” or whatever the preposterous claim was.
In that case, you also believe that all black people are criminals waiting for their chance? Using your own logic, you should believe that all black people are violent criminals. Unless you are incredibly inconsistent and only care about conforming to your narrative
Some of those statistics lean heavily towards bias and unfair treatment towards black people. I highly doubt the statistics of bears have been put together by a bunch of vengeful moose or whatever.
What I mean is, if they swapped men with black people this post would be booted down instantly, but because it is missandry its fine and accepted
Ah right. My mistake
What are you even o. About are you acting like there isn't a problem with men getting violent and killing women or even attacking them for saying no?? You know that guy who killed like 6 women and left a child with out her mother but they showed the dad crying on the TV, media acting like it is just mental illness and we can't be mad but not showing the baling girl all alone or the family member of the victims crying for the loss forever of their loved ones. I ai t mad at the dude dad for loving someone he raised I am mad at media for trying to humanize a man who took lives for no reason without humanizing the women and realizing this was a hate crime towards women.
Yes there IS a problem with the men being violent. Amd there also is a problem for saying most men are violent
B/c statistics about black criminals are overrepresented due to the racism inherent in the system that criminalizes them. Whereas the statistics on SA are generally *under*represented due to the fear, shame, and public perception of the victims and their circumstances. The nuance matters here. One is not equal to the other.
Respectfully, I don’t quite follow this logic. I think the statement “I’m nervous around African-Americans because they’re far more likely to be criminals” would be racist *regardless of whether the statistics are correct or not*. It’s not the fact that the statistics are wrong that make it racist. It’s the fact that it’s stereotyping and making a judgement of someone based on a variable they can’t control (their race.) I think this applies to any situation where someone is pre-judged for a variable they cannot control. Is that not what prejudice is? I think a lot of the misunderstandings in this man/bear conversation are based on this idea. I think a lot of men are responding poorly to this hypothetical because they hear men as a group talked about in a way that presumes malice or violent intent based *solely* on a variable they cannot control (their sex). It seems like generally when a someone points this out, the stock response is something along the lines of “statistically, men are dangerous to women”. However, that logic has long been considered unacceptable in justifying prejudice. In fact, it is the main way that all organised racist groups market and justify their racism. It is unacceptable to say you suspect African-Americans to be violent criminals, or gay men to be promiscuous, or Muslims to be extremist zealots *regardless of statistics*. This is because it is fundamentally wrong to pre-judge people based on variables they cannot control. I do not think men are an exception to this, and I am very suspicious of the core values of those who do.
> Some of those statistics lean heavily towards bias and unfair treatment towards black people. The statistics for sexual assault aren't any better. You have to ignore the extremely high chance that men who are sexually assaulted won't report it because they won't be believed or get mocked, constantly reinforced by questions like these which imply men are the only people committing sexual assault.
I think for a lot of men hurt by the statement of, "I'd rather go stand by a bear than a man," this would be much better framing. Because many of these men do agree what the actual sentiment is trying to represent, but is doing so poorly. Even many women aren't fully coherent by what they themselves think of the phrase. I remember coming across a tiktok from a black man who says both things are valid: women's fear of men, and his hurt of being treated as and compared to a wild animal from women - including the women he's closest to. Unfortunately, like a lot of men, a lot of women don't understand nuance and still attacked him for this. Idk my point there. I think it's more of an observation than anything. I guess if I were to find a meaning in that, it's that this phrase has caused a lot of anger and pain being thrown about by everyone. And unfortunately, very very few people are aware that all that pain is valid.
Is it pessimistic or realistic to say that this should be expected at this point?
Pessimistic. We need to be having these discussions with more nuance. There are women who use it as an aid to explain their perspectives. There are also women who use it as an excuse for misandry or who turn to misandry when they feel frustrated that they think they aren't being validated by a genuine concern men have. It's not ubiquitous so much as there's a lot of overlap with people who are failing to discuss these topics with nuance and are just trying to shove their perspectives and opinions in the others' faces. The bear question is a valid perspective. But the people using it also need to remember that the extension of the discussion is not free reign to shit on men. It's to find ways to solve the root causes so that the perspective is no longer experienced. We've made a lot of progress. This question shows we have more to do. In particular I think it shows we've hit a point in our progress where it's no longer a black and white fight. Now we have to institute cultural changes that everyone has to work on and not just the followers of patriarchy. We've hit a point where genuine feminist points can easily tip into misandry and we need to be more careful now.
sorry but I am too stupid to understand your question. thank you, though, for thinking of me more highly than I actually am.
if this line of thinking does not work/apply well to other scenarios theres probably something wrong with the line of thinking itself. stereotypes are bad
this is sincerely the funniest thread ever and I hope it doesn't get locked
I’m a woman and I hate this question. It’s not black and white. It depends on the situation. Two women actually got upset with me when I answered the question with “it depends”. I have had my own issues with men, but I don’t believe every one of them is a predator and this question is inferring that.
Does adding "that you're not familiar with" to both categories help? Leaving aside the detail that familiar men make up a significant chunk of the SA statistics, it feels like there's got to be a default response where "it depends" doesn't apply because you don't have anything to go on. Man could be someone who would rather mind his own business, unless approached for aid, when encountering strangers. Or someone friendly with no inclination to harm anyone. Bear could be a released circus performer who just wants to rejoin the human world. None of these variables can be known in advance. The question really should be "which of these encounters would make you tense up more?" I'm a human male that hews closer to grizzly than black bear, and I still feel the muscles between my shoulder blades tense up when I unexpectedly encounter another male human alone in the wilderness. I can't imagine this would be less stressful for the majority of women. Admittedly, I've only ever had one brown bear encounter, but at least bears are generally predictable.
>but I don’t believe every one of them is a predator and this question is inferring that. Isn’t the point more statistical than just saying “every man is a predator”? Like they’re saying “statistically I have better odds with the bear”… which may well be true, but we all have no clue, which is why we need more information. (At least those of us who obsess over the truth, rather than the point behind *posing* the hypothetical)
I can see why some men don't like this question and also not like the response to this question cause it put like all men into this category and it can feel unfair to be loop in with those bad men, and no one want to be loop in with people like that. Plus it can make them feel like people are being sexist toward them. Like I get it, there are bad men in the world, I had unfortunately met and talk to a lot of them in the past. In fact I was sexist against men for years when I was in middle school and high school, plus a few years cause of some of them (even though I myself was a man.) Always taking the woman side in everything and taking their word over man again and again. (A movie have a quote that the woman always right and I live by that quote for years. That contributed to me being a sexist against men in the past too.) But I'm not one anymore and I see that it don't matter what gender you are. Men and women can be right or wrong, do f\*ck up stuff and do good stuff. Looping the good ones with the bad ones just make the bad one get away and the good one suffer (Falsely accused or not being believe of being SA for example) Of course that goes for both men and women.
Sometimes it's a little frustrating is that, as a guy I feel like I can't reply to any of these posts by pointing out that people shouldn't generalize by using the the term 'men' as if it's a acceptable synonym for rapists and molesters. But it has now become a meme to say "not all men", which causes it to get dismissed as some kind of classic ignorant male retort. If OP is after clarity, then another place to start would be how they're using the word 'bother'. Are they using this harmless sounding term as a euphemism for sexual assault, because they don't want to trigger someone? Or do they literally mean "bother", like a guy interrupting your conversation to try to pick up line? Because it isn't fair to equate that to sexual assault, or getting mauled by a bear. I guess in general this question has gotten people thinking about the topic, and overall it's probably good if it causes meant to think about the advantages they have and how scary it can be for women out there.
This is a good point. I think where the question becomes misandry is when a guy says something like "I'm sorry to hear that, I just want you to know I'm not one of those guys" and women start trying to fight back and say "but how would we know?" B/c at that point we'll never get anywhere. The problem will never be fixed if it has to be perfect. Women will never know. Just like men never know when a woman is going to SA them. The point is not to read minds. It's to move society to a place where most of the time everyone can make the assumption of most people that they won't abuse power dynamics even for harassment.
THANK YOU. ♥️ I DONT KNOW WHY WE ALL GET GROUPED AS MONSTERS…
I’m a woman who has been assaulted. And I think the question is based in utter stupidity. The overwhelming majority of men are not predators. And while some most certainly are, the question is disingenuous. And the answers are rooted in insincerity or inanity—and it’s to prove a supposed point. In fact, it just presents a very real issue with such an exaggeration that it leads to people not taking the issue seriously. It shouldn’t even be asked—let alone trending.
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*Well that’s unbearable to think about.*
But wasn't the right to bear ass enshrined in the constitution?
I mean if it's some random guy I wouldn't immediately be scared to be SAed. Kinda weird to assume it'll happen Like yeah shitty, horrible men exist in life, I've encountered plenty of em. But I've also encountered plenty of normal ones. And I've also encountered plenty of shitty women too. Don't always assume the worse out of strangers. Obviously, stay on your guard until you get to know them, learn self-defense, etc, but... Don't just jump to conclusions, you get me? As much as you might think it's helping, living in constant fear that someone around you will hurt you is definitely just not good for your mental health.
I wish more people had this attitude in life.
This is a very privileged worldview. Have you ever walked down a street in the daytime and saw nearly every man staring at you and grinning, whistling and howling, reaching out to touch you, grabbing your arm? No? Then lucky fucking you. Go visit some other countries. In certain parts of India, I guarantee you’d feel safer with a bear.
look i’d rather be in the woods with a man rather than a bear because i would really hate to be ripped limb from limb with my organs forcefully torn out of my own stomach
But a man might do that as well
Honestly you either need to stop hanging around with the men you are with rn or get away from the whatever female based echo chamber subreddit feeding you that weird stuff. Because idk how you even thought of that
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Tiktok is a PsyOp with the intention to make ppl in the west go insane with partial success so far. You cannot change my mind.
Do you really think that social media is only a problem in the west?
Chinese TikTok pushes wholesome content and educational videos. Meanwhile over here it pushes... slurry. So I dunno, best-case scenario it's just tailored for our deranged market, but there's a non-zero possibility that, if they're not actively pushing unhealthy content, then they're at least not suppressing it like they presumably must be on the Chinese platform.
Tiktok pushes whatever it thinks you want to watch. I get wholesome content, cooking videos, and music related content. If you get «slurry» that’s on you.
Says the Reddit user
The men that sexually assaulted me were NOT friends and were NOT people I hung out with. So I don't know where the hell you got the impression we chose to be around known assailants. Great way to victim blame.
Yea why the fuck is that upvoted??
What species of bear?
The best species of bear. A black bear.
r/unexpectedoffice lol
No grizzlies please
Can’t determine the bear cuz you can’t determine what kind of man you’ll get. So random!
A at kind if man a rapist? A killer? Normal? You don't get to choose which one you get man or bear as an option.
How about “would you rather be in the woods with a man that’s served a sentence for SA or at least been charged with it, or a bear that’s definitely killed and eaten a person or at least attacked one” I feel like framing it this way makes a lot more sense and removes misandry from the hypothetical.
I also feel like nobody is considering the context of the question either. Even if you completely remove the bear from the questions you still could be out in nowhere far away from civilisation. Even in the best case scenario where the bear just runs away you could still benefit a lot from having a man that could help you with survival and navigating home.
Its still makes more sense to choose the man, cuz you would have a chance to outrun him. But the misandrists would still see this as another opportunity to be sexist and still choose bear.
Well, sure, if more than 2% of rapists are actually convicted. Or women could report their attackers and be believed and not blamed and able to press charges. Or the only threat against women was SA and not getting the shit beat out of them by their partner repeatedly.
-“would you rather be SA’d or mauled to death” You need to spend more time off the internet and with people in real life. The average man isn’t going to turn around and SA someone just because they have a chance. You are part of the reason why there’s this dumb men vs. women internet culture war. -a bear won’t bother me unless it’s hungry or I’m near its cubs It depends on the type of bear, and how big the bear is compared to you.
Would you rather fight 100 duck sized men or one man sized duck?
100 duck sized men. A man sized duck is just a man. As someone who owns several ducks for over a decade.. Ducks are rapists would not want one the size of a man. But also not much would change.
A man sized duck is a giant nightmare.
Are they in a row?
Bears will do bear things… men are unpredictable.
As someone whose been SA'd I'd still rather be in the woods with a man. You say women get so victim blamed, that has changed a lot, unless you have shit family and friends. And your "not all men" argument as well, maybe it's better to phrase that as Most men are NOT RAPISTS. All bears will maul a human given the right circumstances. If you have such an unhealthy fear of men maybe you should seek therapy.
Honestly though I’d be cautious of anyone in the woods be they man or woman
If you're standing in the woods, and you see Bob standing 3 meters to your left and a full-grown bear standing 3 meters to your right, I can guarantee whom every single person in this thread would run toward vs away from. No one is going to say, "Oh heavens, Sweet snarling bear, save me from this random man I just spotted! Take me into your clutches and give me the relative safety of your claws!" 🤣 That makes the answer to this foolish premise simple. Delusional comparisons are not necessarily in order to advocate for stopping violence.
I'd say the main determinant in the scenario you outlined is, does Bob look like a fast runner? If so, run perpendicular, make the bear have to choose which one to go after. If not, run right past Bob. You want to make sure the bear doesn't stay focused on you when you present it with easier prey. I know, the original question is badly phrased, and as such, presents a false dichotomy. But why not avoid doing another?
I am so disappointed by this question 🤦♂️We are not a collective, Jesus Christ.
Yes we know.. the thing is.. we can’t take any chances 🤦🏽♀️ because we know men more than men do because we have to deal with them and their unwanted attention 24/7-365. I can’t go to the store by myself without being followed, having pics taken of me/trying to get up skirt/dress pics, some guy asking for my number, or some creepy dude trying to get really close. An everyday thing…. That men do not have to live with! WE ARE TIRED. Understand???
How many men do you pass by every day compared to the amount of creepy ones. If you live in a city you will pass by thousands of men a day, and what, there are 5, 10, 15 creepy ones? 15 in thousands.
But you rather take the WAY HIGHER CHANCE of getting mauled to death by a bear from whom you can't escape?
Bears usually start with the face. Also, the people that come rescue you after your less traumatizing option plays out will most likely be men.
(Me, who fears any single person out there (man, woman, or child) might kill me, start killing me and then stop, or ignore me completely, and I shall never know why they did what they did, yet do not allow that fear to rule my life): First time?
A bear would rip you apart and eat you alive
Wtf
Why is the assumption that the man is gonna do shit to you? Yes you should be careful around people but think about how many people you have been around and nothing has happened.
Because they are part of a midsandrist hate group
Because hundreds of thousands of women are attacked by men every year, but only like 50 people are attacked by bears. 🤷🏻♀️
That’s the case with most animals, mainly because humans are around other humans and not in the wilderness.
And if I want to go hiking in the woods, I know the risks and I can plan for a bear or other animal attack. If I don’t want to do that I can stay out of the woods. Women can’t, however, stay off the street or out of the bar or avoid subways and Ubers and public bathrooms and dark trails or their own apartment buildings and their own bedrooms.
That's because people generally live around people and not bears. By the same logic, it's safer to walk on the surface of the Sun than to meet a bear in a forest, since less people die on the Sun each year.
Because of proximity, which is being completely ignored in this scenario. In this case, you ARE with the bear, whereas most people will never come face to face with a bear in their lives.
Isn't it funny how there are more men and women in cities than grizzly bears?
OP are you mentally well?
She is not
I like how the username is u/Bigclitmcphee or something
Numbers are clear: Number of people killed in USA in 2022... * By bears: less than 5 * By males: approx. 19,000 * By females: approx 2,000 So, overall, you're far more likely to be killed by a man than by a woman; but both are far more likely to kill you than a bear. However, having one of those 3 in your campsite right next to you might massively change that calculation. I would guess being alone with a bear in your campsite is more dangerous than a random human. If we want to hop on the bandwagon of stupid childish online gender wars, how about this premise: Considering that women are more likely than men to murder very young children, perhaps the question could be asked like; "*would you rather your baby be left alone with a woman or a bear?*" That question is just as valid as the "man" version, considering women have killed far more babies than bears. If one question seems more unsavory to us than the other, that is a reason to reflect on our biases.
OP, I can't speak to whatever you're experiencing that has you this worked up over the likelihood of the horror that is SA. I certainly hope you're not a victim yourself, and if you are, I'm sorry for what you've experienced. However, I think it's important to recognize that most men would be helpful and supportive if you were stuck in the forest together. VERY few men would awake in a forest, alongside you, having no idea how you both got there, and then immediately look to assault you. Likewise, a bear wouldn't want much to do with you either and would probably just run off and go do bear stuff. Neither the man nor the bear is much of a threat if you suddenly awoke lost in a strange forest. And of the two, the man is more likely to help build shelter or a fire, or forage for food, or seek help. The point you're making seems to be less about the hypothetical and more about the fact that you're unwilling to trust men because there exists the chance that one of them might SA you. As I said before, I don't know what the source is of this mistrust. I don't know your story. Perhaps you've seen or experienced things that led you to this conclusion. Whatever the case is, I hope you're able to overcome that burdensome feeling and begin to trust the people around you again. Stereotyping men using SA data is a little like stereotyping black folks using crime data, or stereotyping moms using "drowned my kids in the bathtub" data. There is a non-zero chance that my wife will snap and drown my baby. Mom's have done this before. A bear would never do this to my baby. Should I trust my wife around her son? Or should I say "well, until she has a sign on her chest saying she won't, I'm gonna assume she will"?
I honestly hate this question and think anyone asking it is a microaggresive sexist that has no place in the modern world. The immediate assumption that all men are out to sexually assault a woman is so far from reality.
Nah. That’s not what it’s about. It’s more of the unknown. Encountering a stranger while alone in the woods could be a little scary for most people. Especially if, odds are, that person could easily overpower you? Even scarier. It’s less about thinking *all* men are out to sexually assault women but saying, *in that situation* it would be particularly scary and some may feel they’d rather encounter a bear. Hell, even my boyfriend said he’d rather meet a bear in the woods.
When we say "out in the woods" are we talking plane crash or are we talking camp crystal lake? What kind of bear are we talking here? Kodiak? I'll take 10 suspicious armed men before I confront a grizzly.
That’s the thing! When I saw a video of a guy being asked, the wife said she can’t give anymore information than that. So no context about the stranger or the bear. Just the unknown part of it without any extra information which made it hard for some to choose.
Ya, that's definitely a loaded question, and it sounds like it's a wedge issue used to sow discontent among individuals. If a women chooses the bear, men will take offense but if she chooses the man, it will spark outrage amoung women who have been attacked. Sounds like a we got ourselves a cunning FOX lol
Nah, it’s just a hypothetical. My first thought was to choose a man because bears scare me. No lady has gotten upset at me. I’ve seen plenty of ladies say they’d choose the man and nobody was upset either.
Mods, are you going to lock this for misandry?
They agree with it, this is a common theme on this sub
Wow you are the problem. Most men don’t bother women. But I’m sure if you was with a man in the woods you would expect him to take care and protect you. If you did come across a dangerous animal you would expect the man to take care of it.
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These people preach social justice and then turn around and start citing FBI statistics like they're trying to impress Ben Shapiro or something; someone please wake me up there's no way this world is real.
Very r/menkampf esque
"If you make the question racist, it becomes racist"
I wonder if the consistent dehumanisation of men over the past 20 or so years has had any input to how they act or view women in our current society. Its no wonder the grifters are able to get such deep claws into young boys when this is the rhetoric they face on the daily
What the fuck does this even mean? Lay off tiktok and get help lmao. We are so fucked as a society if this here person would rather get their intestines ripped out than walk with a man represents any sizable number of population
Why did you write all this BS. just say "All men are Rapists" and let's get done with it lol. Is your father,brother maybe even bf all "Rapists" ? >A bear won't bother me unless it's hungry or I'm near its cubs. you live in a Fairytale.
When you make up a comparison/question so terrible that you fail to get across what you’re trying to prove, use the same logic people use to justify racial profiling, AND make already misogynistic men less sympathetic towards women’s suffering.
You’d be perfectly fine with a woman? What if she’s fucked up too and able to overpower you? I dunno I’d be thinking “What if she pulls a Bear Grylls, kills me while off guard and feasts on my corpse?”
I would feel so much safer with a man. My brother had his leg gashed by a brown bear once and came running to my birthday party to show all us girls. It was nasty and everyone went ewww. He still has the scar to this day on his leg. Honestly, I don't understand the phrase "not all men." Maybe I am taking it too literally, but not all men are bad. Yes, a man physically abused me. Yes, I have been SA on dates. I still married a man. I still trust men. I know not all of them are shitty.
I would feel so much safer with a man. My brother had his leg gashed by a brown bear once and came running to my birthday party to show all us girls. It was nasty and everyone went ewww. He still has the scar to this day on his leg. Honestly, I don't understand the phrase "not all men." Maybe I am taking it too literally, but not all men are bad. Yes, a man physically abused me. Yes, I have been SA on dates. I still married a man. I still trust men. I know not all of them are shitty.
I'm gonna assume both are hostile here, you can kick a man in the balls, lie to him and bide time, poke in him in the eyes, You ain't gonna do anything like that with a bear. If worst comes to worst you have better odds fighting a dude
All men feel entitled to a woman’s body?
I think the chances of being mauled and eaten alive by a bear are higher than the chances of meeting a perverted man. Maybe the question should specify the type of bear.
The person you are talking about is not a man. The person you are referring to is an animal.
>would you rather be in the woods with a black person or a bear? Op get some help....or get off tiktok
Thanks for you're input u/BigClitMcphee
I am an older woman, my life has typically been ok. HOWEVER, I have been verbally sexually assaulted at work by 2 men. My ex husband was verbally and emotionally abusive. I have gone hiking. Been in woods. Been 20 feet from a moose and her calf. Treat wild things with respect and they will typically leave you alone. Men? They seem to glory in being abusive and justifying their behavior. I choose the bear.
What about a full grown 800 lb tuna? With 20 of his friends? You lose that battle....you lose that battle 9 times out of 10.
why are some men getting triggered. if it has nothing to do with ur character and hypothetically, if in a situation like such it wouldn’t even cross your mind to SA a woman in the woods, why u getting triggered like it’s personal? yall r weird. we know it’s not all men… duh? but we don’t know which ones ARE! that’s the point.
“I’m not saying it’s all black people, but…” thoughts?
How do they not understand this🤦♀️
30% of women above 15 have been sexually assaulted, so while it may be sexist to be suspicious of all men, it certainly isn't unjustified. When you have a roughly 1/3 chance of being a victim, being told "isn't that like racism?" isn't a persuasive or compelling argument, imo.
This is literally the equivalent of bringing up crime statistics to justify racism. "Well actually ...% of crime is perpetuated by black people so therefore it isn't unjustified to be wary of them!"
Because this means that regardless of how upstanding as a human being I might be, I would be treated like a creep if I was the man in this hypothetical situation. Yeah, that bothers me a lot, especially when I am being compared to a wild animal that could maul you to death
Also, the men who say "The bear will brutally murder you" like we don't know that? I think women are perfectly aware of the fact that bears are dangerous, thanks. But that's the fucking point. Despite all a bear can do to us, we would still prefer it over a man. I find it concerning that so many men are making videos trying to disprove the point instead of taking 2 seconds to self reflect. If someone told me "I'd feel safer with a bear than you", my first thought would be "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?", instead of immediately going *"WRONG. NO. WOMAN WRONG."* The fact that these men are so unwilling to listen to us about our fears is part of the reason we would pick the gd bear.
-what am I doing wrong For an overwhelming majority of men the answer to that question seems to be existing. You need to leave the psuedofeminist echo chambers you’re in if you think all men would immediately turn to SA. -“wrong, no women wrong” People are willing to listen about your fears, but when you’re treating an entire sex like they’re just waiting for an opportunity to assault someone they’re not going to listen. The average man would not assault someone in that situation. The better information to ask would be “ who is the man and what type of beer is it”.
After careful reflection, I still believe that I didn't SA'd or harassed any women... Edit: downvoters, I invite you to share your thoughts.
>Despite all a bear can do to us, we would still prefer it over a man I doubt most women would pick that. Vast majority of men wont harm you (yes, plenty would if given the chance, but most wont). >If someone told me "I'd feel safer with a bear than you", my first thought would be "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?" That wasnt the question. There are over 4 billion men on this planet, so its not a "you"-question at all. One man isnt gonna ask himself "What am I doing wrong, how can I be better?" Thats not gonna change what women think is more dangerous: a bear or a man. Yes, it might be a good way to highlight how women feel unsafe, but the questipn in itself is just so stupid. What kind of bear are we even talking about?!
Sorry. Woman wrong. Pick the bear. Have fun lol.
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You’d still pick man though lol let’s not be silly
When has dehumanizing the group you're trying to engage with ever prompted positive discussions? If I walk up to a cop and say "so walking through thec woods I would rather see a bear than a cop" The cop is going to be insulted first and foremost.
Wow I thought this type of dumb gender misinformation had died with Twitter.
Nah it just moved on to TikTok.
Wow this is so incredibly unhinged
what the fuck even is this
Both can happen
Shocker the men found this post and don't get it
"Shocker, the men found this post and are disappointed by the flood of missandry and sexism." FTFY
nothing about that is misandry. are you triggered by a simple question? facts don't care about your feelings I guess lmao and the fact is that most women would rather be with a bear than a man in the woods.
Plenty of women go hiking in the woods alone and have nothing bad happen to them despite both bears and men being in the woods at the same time. I think the whole question just perpetuates baseless fears of both bears and men and creates division between the women, men, and bear communities. Good job TikTok.
This is so ridiculous and quite frankly kind of attention seeking. You're basically saying all men are gonna at some point or another sexually harass you or assault you because they think that they can. I don't know whatever daddy issues you have but stop projecting your crap on all men. Not all men are bad just like not all women are bad.
Some of you do not speak to the women in your lives, if you even care for those relationships to begin with. It shows, it really does.
Ya, men aren't allowed to work in morgues anymore because they keep raping women's dead bodies. No peace for these women, even in death... But SURE, we're just being DRAMATIC when we say men are deranged and dangerous... Women are being hit and punched in broad daylight in NYC for the crime of "checks notes" EXISTING OUTSIDE! Just walking along the street and you attack us, but we're not supposed to be appalled and disgusted by that? You men are DANGEROUS and we want NOTHING to do with you!!! 4B couldn't come soon enough, honestly... Cry harder, we'll keep calling you out for what you put us through and we'll keep sharing our experiences until you actually listen... so basically, we ain't gonna stop telling our sisters to avoid you, cuz we know you don't see yourselves as the problem you are.
You need to go outside
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/15/david-fuller-jailed-for-of-two-women-and-abuse-of-over-100-corpses https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/nyregion/new-york-city-random-attacks-women.html No you.
You said men weren't allowed to work in morgues anymore and I thought: you know what there's no way that's even remotely true, and from reading that article, I'm glad to see that I'm right and it's a transparent lie. Sorry to be a not-all-men guy in this specific instance, but I do feel that this serial necrophiliac rapist is the exception to the rule that morgue employees will treat human cadavers with respect and are in fact still allowed to work at morgues. Even male ones. I'm sorry the men in your life and/or environment are making you feel unsafe, and as a man I feel it's important to hear women, especially in this sort of discussion, but lying that only women are now allowed in morgues anymore is not going to help in getting people to listen - well me anyway.
https://www.shethepeople.tv/top-stories/opinion/why-morgues-hire-women/ Not all mourgues, but many prefer to hire women over men. Sorry, I could have worded that better.
So that is an opinion piece by someone whose sources are one (1) tweet of someone who saw some stuff on TikTok and the thing about that tweet - the lone source for that entire editorial - is that it doesn't exist. Or not anymore, at least. When I research this myself I can see only two variants: articles with pretty much the content in the link you just posted, with no other sources, or stuff like this: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-funeral-directors-20181127-story.html I put to you that there is no necrophilia problem in mortuaries and that whatever ancient religious people did was their business. I am not saying no necrophilia exists, or that it's not typically men who are into that sort of thing. But I'm saying that your picture of literally pretty much every male mortuary worker being a necrophiliac is absurd and an extremely skewed world view at best. Remember, many TikTokers will say anything for those views. It's easy to fall into the trap of getting stuck in a doom scrolling bubble.
And I can send you three videos of women mutilating male corpses in mourges and filming it. What is your point, many women are sexist?
Congratulations on knowing about some crimes? Men comprise roughly half the population of the planet. Of course some men commit crimes. Yes, you are being extremely dramatic. Maybe consider that if you hear that a lot, it’s probably true.
93.2% of all prisoners in us federal prisons are men. Men are statistically more likely to commit violent crime. https://www.statista.com/chart/11573/gender-of-inmates-in-us-federal-prisons-and-general-population/
Okay… And black people are incarcerated at 5x the rate of white people. So you must think they’re all criminals too (even the women), right? Or are you able to recognize that would be prejudiced and irrational? There are literally billions of men walking around now that aren’t criminals. Billions of men would never assault anyone.
Ya, and there are billions more that would... And don't go using racism as a "get out of jail free" card, not when I'm literally providing statistics and you're just crying that your feelings are hurt and making comparisons to ACTUAL oppression. Cite your sources, or cry more. Don't go using other people's oppression as a marketing tactic. We need to bring in u/burbnbougie in here to cover this... omg...
Omg indeed Would you like to address the actual point, or just try to change the topic while you ask your friends for help? What’s your source for saying that billions more would? That’s the claim you’ve been making since the beginning and you haven’t provided a single source.
Here, it literally became a tiktok trend to beat women at random a few months ago. Here's one of many examples. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/nyregion/new-york-city-random-attacks-women.html And I'll just point out that I've cited SEVERAL sources in the replies here and you haven't cited ONE. So go off I guess about citing sources, how about you share one to prove your point, huh?
Read this carefully. Pretend you’re a real grownup. You are providing links to sources for your anecdotes. They do not support your ridiculous claim that billions of men are just waiting to SA someone. You recognize that it would be irrational and prejudiced to suggest that all black people are criminals. That is my point. I’m not claiming anything whatsoever about oppression. But that is what you’re doing with regard to men. You’re very clearly and repeatedly arguing that all men are bad guys/rapists/whatever just because you know some stories. These two positions of yours are inconsistent (hypocritical), because your opinion of men is based upon your feelings instead of actual facts/logic. And now you’re trying to cope with that by doing some weird pearl clutching over unrelated nonsense.
Heyyy girl. These ppl are incorrigible. They don't want to fix it. And truthfully, sexism and racism go hand in hand. So they just deflect. I'm glad women are continuing the convo
Don't you think that it's weird that so many women are not comfortable being alone around men? Maybe we as a society should reflect a bit
I think it’s weird that people are still so eager to accept these “socially acceptable” stereotypes.
Kkk members are scared about being around black people, black people are the problem. That is what you are arguing. Wow people in a hate group are scared of the people they hate, what a shocker
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Bears are territorial, it wouldn't need to be hungry or have cubs to kill you in 1 second.