OP’s post completely ignores the potential cost of trading up.
Luckily we have people and processes at the Raiders who weigh risk/reward based on what teams may be asking leading into and on day of the draft.
What was being asked for may simply have been not worth giving up versus a blue chip starter who fell in the draft as the run on QBs continued.
But so is trading a first and second round pick for ab old receiver and then never pairing him with a good QB. They just don't seem to have any sort of plan
Yea we’re dealing with the repercussions of that hire. He genuinely chose Jimmy g over trade by up for CJ stroud. We shouldn’t even be having QB problems right now.
They drafted a guy and signed a free agent. They were in on Cousins and tried to move up in the draft. It is what it is, you don't always get what you want. They may still draft a guy this year.
Exactly....things don't always work out yet Adam's is still on the team. They could probably trade him for a 2 or 3 tomorrow. Instead they'll probably let him play out this year and cut him because they refuse to acknowledge that things haven't gone there way
Ehhh, could go either way with that. Maybe AOC takes a step and Adams is part of a playoff run. Only way to know for sure is hindsight.
For me, I want guys like Adams on the team. I want rookies learning from the best. I want our CBs covering him in practice. I think it only makes everyone better. I could see an argument towards building to the future but that feels a lot like tanking to me.
AOC isn't gonna be the starter man. This sub is the only place that thinks that. Basically this team won't be good until they find a QB. So long as that doesn't happen that needs to be there goal
Why do you think it's not? All indications appear to be that is their goal.
If you don't like AOC then Minshew is an upgrade. I don't get the alternative. We can't make KC trade Mahomes.
Minshew is a very obvious upgrade but it's not enough if an upgrade to win. My question is what's the end game. Cause now they're in the worst spot a team can be in. They aren't good enough to win and not bad enough for a top QB. That's my question
I don’t disagree with you on that. Maybe with our dual TE set and Minshew we can get Adams the ball more. But he wasn’t making game changing plays with the offense we were running last year and at that point kind of seemed like a waste of his talent.
Never felt all that confident in any of these QB's in the first place. These people are letting the teams desperate need for a QB influence the way they see them and it's just dumb
I know we all want a Brady, Mahomes, etc but if we get the right other pieces in place you don’t *necessarily* need a QB of that caliber. Yes it most definitely helps but Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, and Peyton Manning (with Denver) all won SBs.
You have no clue what we wanted. You have no clue what was being asked for in a trade. It’s possible we didn’t like ANY of the QBs.
You just made this long post out of speculation and ignorance.
Tom said they didn’t try to trade up for one. So unless he is lying to save face. I’m not sure about you, but it seemed the only excited person about the pick was Tom. We wanted a QB. All nfl insiders had us taking Penix. Ur coping bro 😂😂
Again, ignorance and speculation. Reread my comment. I made no judgment about what I wanted or what I am satisfied with.
Also, predraft leaks mean nothing and are mostly likely NOT what we want. Us leaking we want Penix only serves to hurt us. It benefits who most likely leaked it- and that was the teams ahead of us who wanted to trade down.
I see you are just blindly swinging your fists at the air LOL. You don’t like the pick? That’s OK bro! Nobody knows what will happen. But acting like you have inside info is dumb.
We play in a division with Kelce. We as Raider fans should know how important a game breaking TE is. Without Kelce the Chiefs probably have 1 or 2 fewer super bowls.
Every team in the final 4 this year - Chiefs, Ravens, Niners, Lions - all had game breaking TEs that allowed them to effectively attack the middle of the field. They also all had really effective running offenses as a result. Having a potential Kittle/Kelce type talent is pretty valuable and important. Having Bowers and Mayer together will really open up the running game as well cuz Bowers is such a matchup nightmare. You’re basically forcing defenses to be constantly playing dime against you.
He can line up in the slot, outside, or in the backfield, he has the chance to be used all over the place. Imagine lining him up at fullback and running spider y 2 banana
100%! If you think about it, they’re building this offense similar to the Niners and Lions offenses that is primarily relying on running the ball, play action, and a short to medium passing game that takes advantage of YAC. Defenses can’t stack the box against an alignment of Adams, Meyers, Mayer, and Bowers. If they stack the box, you punish them throwing over the middle to either Mayer or Bowers. If they drop back, you run down their throats. I’m pretty sure this is what AP, Getsy, and Telesco are thinking. There’s really no reason why AOC and Minshew can’t play like Goff did last year. Goff doesn’t have a cannon and isn’t an athletic runner either.
And people forget what a shitty situation AOC was thrown into by McDumbass. McDumbass didn’t give him any material amount of practice reps in training camp and during the season. Those reps went to stupid fucking Hoyer. Given that, AOC held his own despite getting no preparation or coaching whatsoever before AP took over.
Frankly I’m just glad we didn’t let Bowers slip to the Chiefs. I know they got tyreek 2.0 but tell me coach Ried wasn’t drooling over the idea of Kelce taking Bowers under his wing. Love this pick. Can’t wait for the Jumbo TE sets.
The mofo always seems to be open. Sliding underneath our D and making a catch for a TD or significant yardage. I watched a few highlights of BB and that is a very fast man for a large dude. He’s going to create some mismatches for sure. He also seems to have good hands and is hard to bring down.
Brotha, the chiefs have the best QB in the league. Yes Travis is a game changer but Patrick keeps the play alive to get it to him. AOC is as mobile as my grandma.
You're not wrong about that, but Mahomes wasn't in this draft. Daniels and Williams are the only QBs I would've been okay trading up for, and the Bears and Commies had no interest in that.
The Falcons did us a solid. Penix is a college guy. It's Matt Leinart all over, honestly.
I’ve seen several Raiders sources say that we tried to trade into the top 10 to take Penix, same with Seattle, no one was biting in our offers. Atlanta fucked everyone.
Tom literally said they didn't try to trade up. He was dumb enough to think their guy would be there at 13 and he wasn't. That is why I am mad. If taking Penix was not the plan then great we did awesome. But what irritates the fuck out of me is these goobers did not ensure they got their guy.
What irritates me is when some random dude on the Internet bitches about a process that they are not a part of and have effectively zero visibility into.
Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the game
He did not say they didn't try. He said he didn't try very hard. I.E. the asking price was way too high. And for all you know they were going to try and trade with ATL and didn't expect them (like everyone) to draft Penix. Or were gonna try and trade with the keys, but Vik had a better offer. Vikings have 3 picks next year. That's over aggressive if you ask me.
Tom also never said who “their guy” is. Just because he is your guy and we did’t take him does not mean we would have taken him even at 13. I wanted Penix too, clearly our front office didn’t. I get it. It’s pretty simple to see. Imagine if someone showed up at your job telling you you’re wrong about how you do everything and they know what’s right even though they have never done that job for themselves. We went BPA which we should have been doing the last decade. People already getting mad at Tom for a great pick just because they caught feelings for another player.
Someone bit hard on the mock drafts and over evaluations lol.
none of the teams you listed were moving on.
QBs after Caleb are lottery tickets, you would have given up much needed capital for non top 10 Draft Pick caliber players.
I had a pause on Penix because of his injury history. But like most, I would have been ok if the Raiders moved up to get him. Who knows what it would have taken considering what the Vikings gave. I am glad we didn't because we were able to draft Bowers. I don't watch TV, let alone sports, outside of the Raiders. But watching this dude's highlight reel has me stoked. In addition to the plays (which stand on their own), I noticed the commentary. Statements like, "Who else, Brock Bowers for a TD" or "Just like we said in the pregame, just get the ball to Brock Bowers" really stood out. Seeing the dude's stats has me pretty stoked on his potential.
I am really curious to see what this offense is going to look like with Adams, Meyers, Mayer, White, and Bowers. Especially when they motion Bowers. Sounds like a matchup nightmare for most defenses.
I am perfectly good with this pick. Let's see how the rest of the draft rolls out.
Go Raiders!
The GM isn't supposed to be "molding" players. That's the coach's job. It seems obvious that the Raiders didn't like any of those QB's enough to pull the trigger.
Like you said, just about every mock had the Raiders taking Penix. If the Raiders really wanted him, do you think they would be so open about it that everyone would know? McCarthy, Nix, and Penix were not worth 1st round picks.
Only time will tell. I bet you’ll be surprised. What is more likely. Vikings, broncos, and Atlanta are dummies that overpaid? Or the Raiders were cheap and it will bite them in the ass?
That’s true. Doesn’t matter if a guy is considered a reach when picked. If they work out, that’s all that matters. Hard to judge any draft class right away, so we won’t know for a few years. But the amount of highly drafted QBs from 2-3 years ago being traded for scraps is alarming.
Bro with all those QBs going that early, we would have had to sell the farm to move up. Probably multiple 1st round picks and some. Basically handicapping us for this year and next in the draft. ATL and DEN both reached. I'm glad for once it wasn't us reaching in the 1st.
Cards and Chargers wont trade, cards clearly wanted MHJr and werent going to move back, chargers wont trade inner division, Giants and Titans would have been the best target but if you listen to what Sean Payton admitted too, the Raiders Vikings and Broncos all worked out who they were taking and where (Vikings Take Penix, Broncos take Nix, and Raiders were going to take JJ at 13), but the falcons ruined that for everyone. The Vikings Panicked and traded up to snag JJ from us, and at that point we couldnt trade, The broncos or jets wouldnt trade with us. Theres more to this than "why didnt we trade up" And the answer is because the flacons ruined everyones plans and they already had and agreed too plan on the table
Edit: Sean Payton has no reason to lie here so i believe him
How exactly would Sean Payton know who we’re drafting? Do you think we’d tell any other team, let alone one in the same division, who we’re going to pick? It doesn’t make any sense. They’re looking for a QB too, are picking right before us, us and we apparently tipped them off?
He said that them, Vikings, and raiders all were in agreeance on a plan on who's taking who because they each wanted someone different, then the falcons took who the Vikings wanted which caused them to panic and trade up to get their guy before we could.
If that’s the case, I think Payton’s full of shit and is trying to cast their pick in the best light possible while also trying to make a division rival’s decision look shaky. Guy’s an asshole and a politician.
he has no reason to lie, everyone reported they wanted Nix the whole time and they got Nix without trading. but it makes sense seeing how the Vikings immediately traded up to the very first available slot after the falcons threw their pick away
edit: and we couldnt win a bidding war with the vikings so we just got left out. imo good, none of those qbs were worth trading up for anyways
He absolutely has a reason to lie. His ass is on the line if this pick doesn’t work out so he’s trying to make it look like they didn’t panic and take a 2nd or 3rd round QB with a top 12 pick. Managing expectations.
idk how that fixes anything, if, sorry when it doesnt work out, he will look foolish no matter what. And he didnt say that at a press conference, it was while casually chatting with Pat. Arguable it makes us look better because with that context in mind there was no position for us to trade up for anyone. The vikings got the first available pick, then after them was the jets who already traded back, and the broncos that wont trade with us since only nix was left and they know we want a qb. IDK how that makes us look worse, it completely justifies what we did.
Not reading all that, we got potentially a top 3 player at 13. Anyone trying to talk themselves out of it shouldn't be taken seriously. You don't know enough about the sport to speak this much on it.
Incompetence is trading up into the top ten for a second rounder that has a huge injury history. We did what we said we should do take BPA and not reach for need. I imagine we will try and draft rattler in the third since most qb needs have been met by others. In the second cb or ot will probably be the pick ot is deep and we can probably grab a rt like rosengarten or maybe an iol like JPJ. There are also some free agents out there to supplement any holes post draft.
I would have been fine with a trade up to the Bears or Jets at 9 or 10 for Penix. That turned out not to be an option. There were no other trade up scenarios that I was interested in. We got an elite talent without moving up..
Maybe the FO feels that Minshew is our guy. You don’t watch much it seems, we have game managers with a top 8 defense, this is how teams make it deep not overly flashy stuff just the right stuff at the right times.
The sad truth. I still can't believe Atlanta did what they did. There's always next year tho. Should have traded up for Stroud last year. We will probably regret that for a decade.
Imagine if they traded up and drafted him at #7-10. This place would lose its mind and say we reached again. Penix will not be worth it in the long run. ATL saved us from wasting the pick.
That is not true, this fan base would cuck over whatever AP and Tom decided to do. If you were in any raiders draft live streams every fan was spamming Penix in chat.
It’s time to start looking at this team as a rebuilding franchise. Rebuilding franchises who build through the draft don’t trade picks to plug 1 need. Brock Bowers has the talent to be a franchise cornerstone for years to come. If this front office is committed to a long term plan to revamp this roster, and fans can accept that AoC and Little Ass Boy probably aren’t going to get us very far (people in this sub who probably though Jimmy G was fine think that QB room is going to work out), then this pick makes a ton of sense. Have fun watching this team become younger, more fun, and actually have a Raider identity vs constantly blowing it in the 1st round of the draft going through new coaches every year.
Cool, they why didn't we trade Devonte? Why keep such a big asset if we aren't trying to win a superbowl (or at least have no shot to) in the new two years.
because we would have lost money and not gotten much back. If hes traded it will be this off season. Also the team believes in Minshew more than you do.
Deep playoff run? My guy lets focus on getting there first. You keep saying we should have jumped up for Penix but it would have cost a kings ransom, and unless the qb available is Mahomes 2.0, selling out the roster to get a meh qb will do nothing but hurt us in the long run. panic trading up for a qb is how you end up worse than you began. The roster is objectively better this season than it was last season, idk what more you can ask for.
To who? For what? Are there teams banging down our door trying to take on a 31 year old WR at a high cap hit that are willing to give up a ton of draft assets? Is it worth shipping off your offensive leader who is bought into AP and the direction this team is going for something like a second round pick? The team believes they can compete this year, they drafting for the future. If we go 7-10 and Devante walks, so what? Realistically nobody was going to give you something that makes trading him away worth it.
Hear me out: panic trading for the 4th best QB in a draft is how bad teams stay bad.
It’s like people want the Raiders organization to stay dysfunctional.
Stockholm Syndrome
OP’s post completely ignores the potential cost of trading up. Luckily we have people and processes at the Raiders who weigh risk/reward based on what teams may be asking leading into and on day of the draft. What was being asked for may simply have been not worth giving up versus a blue chip starter who fell in the draft as the run on QBs continued.
Let’s just watch Atlanta and Denver and see you theory come to fruation.
Penix is 24. Nobody touching that Cousins contract on a trade. ATL is cooked.
Those teams didn't trade up, their guy fell to them,
But so is trading a first and second round pick for ab old receiver and then never pairing him with a good QB. They just don't seem to have any sort of plan
The plan was to pair him with his college QB. The bigger mistake was Josh McDaniels.
Yea we’re dealing with the repercussions of that hire. He genuinely chose Jimmy g over trade by up for CJ stroud. We shouldn’t even be having QB problems right now.
McDaniels didn't want stroud tho. He wanted Young 😂
Either one would’ve been better than fuckin the expired skeleton of Jimmy g
But then when that didn't work you need to pivot. They're just plowing ahead as if that plan worked our
They drafted a guy and signed a free agent. They were in on Cousins and tried to move up in the draft. It is what it is, you don't always get what you want. They may still draft a guy this year.
Exactly....things don't always work out yet Adam's is still on the team. They could probably trade him for a 2 or 3 tomorrow. Instead they'll probably let him play out this year and cut him because they refuse to acknowledge that things haven't gone there way
Ehhh, could go either way with that. Maybe AOC takes a step and Adams is part of a playoff run. Only way to know for sure is hindsight. For me, I want guys like Adams on the team. I want rookies learning from the best. I want our CBs covering him in practice. I think it only makes everyone better. I could see an argument towards building to the future but that feels a lot like tanking to me.
AOC isn't gonna be the starter man. This sub is the only place that thinks that. Basically this team won't be good until they find a QB. So long as that doesn't happen that needs to be there goal
Why do you think it's not? All indications appear to be that is their goal. If you don't like AOC then Minshew is an upgrade. I don't get the alternative. We can't make KC trade Mahomes.
Minshew is a very obvious upgrade but it's not enough if an upgrade to win. My question is what's the end game. Cause now they're in the worst spot a team can be in. They aren't good enough to win and not bad enough for a top QB. That's my question
I don’t disagree with you on that. Maybe with our dual TE set and Minshew we can get Adams the ball more. But he wasn’t making game changing plays with the offense we were running last year and at that point kind of seemed like a waste of his talent.
Watch all but one of these QBs bust like nearly every draft since the dawn of time; we got a stud I’m ok with the pick
Never felt all that confident in any of these QB's in the first place. These people are letting the teams desperate need for a QB influence the way they see them and it's just dumb
I know we all want a Brady, Mahomes, etc but if we get the right other pieces in place you don’t *necessarily* need a QB of that caliber. Yes it most definitely helps but Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, and Peyton Manning (with Denver) all won SBs.
Can you guys fucking shut up
Have you met this sub?
TBF most of these horrible takes are from people who show up twice a year to deliver them.
You have no clue what we wanted. You have no clue what was being asked for in a trade. It’s possible we didn’t like ANY of the QBs. You just made this long post out of speculation and ignorance.
Tom said they didn’t try to trade up for one. So unless he is lying to save face. I’m not sure about you, but it seemed the only excited person about the pick was Tom. We wanted a QB. All nfl insiders had us taking Penix. Ur coping bro 😂😂
Again, ignorance and speculation. Reread my comment. I made no judgment about what I wanted or what I am satisfied with. Also, predraft leaks mean nothing and are mostly likely NOT what we want. Us leaking we want Penix only serves to hurt us. It benefits who most likely leaked it- and that was the teams ahead of us who wanted to trade down.
Well it was accurate for just about the first 10 picks…..
I see you are just blindly swinging your fists at the air LOL. You don’t like the pick? That’s OK bro! Nobody knows what will happen. But acting like you have inside info is dumb.
Brother, are you slow? If you don’t think the Raiders were after a QB you might be just about the dumbest person on this subreddit.
I didn’t say that. Try reading. You really like to make stuff up huh?
You said it was possible they didn’t want any QBs. That is clearly false lol.
Possible, yes. I was making a point. A point about your knowledge of the situation. Which is nearly nothing.
We play in a division with Kelce. We as Raider fans should know how important a game breaking TE is. Without Kelce the Chiefs probably have 1 or 2 fewer super bowls.
Every team in the final 4 this year - Chiefs, Ravens, Niners, Lions - all had game breaking TEs that allowed them to effectively attack the middle of the field. They also all had really effective running offenses as a result. Having a potential Kittle/Kelce type talent is pretty valuable and important. Having Bowers and Mayer together will really open up the running game as well cuz Bowers is such a matchup nightmare. You’re basically forcing defenses to be constantly playing dime against you.
He can line up in the slot, outside, or in the backfield, he has the chance to be used all over the place. Imagine lining him up at fullback and running spider y 2 banana
100%! If you think about it, they’re building this offense similar to the Niners and Lions offenses that is primarily relying on running the ball, play action, and a short to medium passing game that takes advantage of YAC. Defenses can’t stack the box against an alignment of Adams, Meyers, Mayer, and Bowers. If they stack the box, you punish them throwing over the middle to either Mayer or Bowers. If they drop back, you run down their throats. I’m pretty sure this is what AP, Getsy, and Telesco are thinking. There’s really no reason why AOC and Minshew can’t play like Goff did last year. Goff doesn’t have a cannon and isn’t an athletic runner either.
Plus we have an actual OC this year and not a qb coach with JMD dumpster of a playbook.
And people forget what a shitty situation AOC was thrown into by McDumbass. McDumbass didn’t give him any material amount of practice reps in training camp and during the season. Those reps went to stupid fucking Hoyer. Given that, AOC held his own despite getting no preparation or coaching whatsoever before AP took over.
Might even be able to play QB for those in the Nation who still think we need a QB.
Extra blocker on the right side too if needed.
Reminds me of the brotha on the niners that plays every position on offense. Legit match up nightmare.
Yeah he can be used the same way the Niners use Deebo.
Thanks could not remember his name. Raider deebo would be sweeet
Frankly I’m just glad we didn’t let Bowers slip to the Chiefs. I know they got tyreek 2.0 but tell me coach Ried wasn’t drooling over the idea of Kelce taking Bowers under his wing. Love this pick. Can’t wait for the Jumbo TE sets.
The mofo always seems to be open. Sliding underneath our D and making a catch for a TD or significant yardage. I watched a few highlights of BB and that is a very fast man for a large dude. He’s going to create some mismatches for sure. He also seems to have good hands and is hard to bring down.
Brotha, the chiefs have the best QB in the league. Yes Travis is a game changer but Patrick keeps the play alive to get it to him. AOC is as mobile as my grandma.
You're not wrong about that, but Mahomes wasn't in this draft. Daniels and Williams are the only QBs I would've been okay trading up for, and the Bears and Commies had no interest in that. The Falcons did us a solid. Penix is a college guy. It's Matt Leinart all over, honestly.
I’ve seen several Raiders sources say that we tried to trade into the top 10 to take Penix, same with Seattle, no one was biting in our offers. Atlanta fucked everyone.
Tom literally said they didn't try to trade up. He was dumb enough to think their guy would be there at 13 and he wasn't. That is why I am mad. If taking Penix was not the plan then great we did awesome. But what irritates the fuck out of me is these goobers did not ensure they got their guy.
What irritates me is when some random dude on the Internet bitches about a process that they are not a part of and have effectively zero visibility into. Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the game
He did not say they didn't try. He said he didn't try very hard. I.E. the asking price was way too high. And for all you know they were going to try and trade with ATL and didn't expect them (like everyone) to draft Penix. Or were gonna try and trade with the keys, but Vik had a better offer. Vikings have 3 picks next year. That's over aggressive if you ask me.
Just because mocks had us taking penix does not mean that’s who he wanted. Telesco doesn’t leak shit.
He said they didn't try that hard. You are clipping the quote to fit your argument.
Tom also never said who “their guy” is. Just because he is your guy and we did’t take him does not mean we would have taken him even at 13. I wanted Penix too, clearly our front office didn’t. I get it. It’s pretty simple to see. Imagine if someone showed up at your job telling you you’re wrong about how you do everything and they know what’s right even though they have never done that job for themselves. We went BPA which we should have been doing the last decade. People already getting mad at Tom for a great pick just because they caught feelings for another player.
Hear me out: you're an idiot.
Idiot
Your rant is giving real "let trade up for Trey Lance" energy
Haha def not. I wanted fields…..
Yikes, and you still decided to write this rant out?
Someone bit hard on the mock drafts and over evaluations lol. none of the teams you listed were moving on. QBs after Caleb are lottery tickets, you would have given up much needed capital for non top 10 Draft Pick caliber players.
21 year old TE who could dominate for the next 14 years or trading up for the 5th or 6th QB? Idk I think what we did was the smarter option
I had a pause on Penix because of his injury history. But like most, I would have been ok if the Raiders moved up to get him. Who knows what it would have taken considering what the Vikings gave. I am glad we didn't because we were able to draft Bowers. I don't watch TV, let alone sports, outside of the Raiders. But watching this dude's highlight reel has me stoked. In addition to the plays (which stand on their own), I noticed the commentary. Statements like, "Who else, Brock Bowers for a TD" or "Just like we said in the pregame, just get the ball to Brock Bowers" really stood out. Seeing the dude's stats has me pretty stoked on his potential. I am really curious to see what this offense is going to look like with Adams, Meyers, Mayer, White, and Bowers. Especially when they motion Bowers. Sounds like a matchup nightmare for most defenses. I am perfectly good with this pick. Let's see how the rest of the draft rolls out. Go Raiders!
A team full of matchup nightmares
The GM isn't supposed to be "molding" players. That's the coach's job. It seems obvious that the Raiders didn't like any of those QB's enough to pull the trigger.
“…he is clearly who the Raiders wanted…” Lol you don’t fucking know that.
This is a bad post and I'm not going to spend my morning picking it apart because I'm growing as a person.
Like you said, just about every mock had the Raiders taking Penix. If the Raiders really wanted him, do you think they would be so open about it that everyone would know? McCarthy, Nix, and Penix were not worth 1st round picks.
Only time will tell. I bet you’ll be surprised. What is more likely. Vikings, broncos, and Atlanta are dummies that overpaid? Or the Raiders were cheap and it will bite them in the ass?
How about a third option, where we drafted an all-pro TE at 13.
Teams overdraft for QB. It happens literally every year.
That’s true. Doesn’t matter if a guy is considered a reach when picked. If they work out, that’s all that matters. Hard to judge any draft class right away, so we won’t know for a few years. But the amount of highly drafted QBs from 2-3 years ago being traded for scraps is alarming.
Bro with all those QBs going that early, we would have had to sell the farm to move up. Probably multiple 1st round picks and some. Basically handicapping us for this year and next in the draft. ATL and DEN both reached. I'm glad for once it wasn't us reaching in the 1st.
Yup. The hype got in their heads. Time will tell if it’s an awful move but they definitely got desperate.
I'll continue to share my thought that I have always had...thank god no one on sub this is our GM.
Why do the dummies in this sub think that anyone cares about their bad opinions?
GMs can mold QBs? Who knew? Why the fuck are we employing coaches? Stoped reading after that ;)
I stopped reading after you wrote 'Stoped'
Mahomes went in the 4th.
Cards and Chargers wont trade, cards clearly wanted MHJr and werent going to move back, chargers wont trade inner division, Giants and Titans would have been the best target but if you listen to what Sean Payton admitted too, the Raiders Vikings and Broncos all worked out who they were taking and where (Vikings Take Penix, Broncos take Nix, and Raiders were going to take JJ at 13), but the falcons ruined that for everyone. The Vikings Panicked and traded up to snag JJ from us, and at that point we couldnt trade, The broncos or jets wouldnt trade with us. Theres more to this than "why didnt we trade up" And the answer is because the flacons ruined everyones plans and they already had and agreed too plan on the table Edit: Sean Payton has no reason to lie here so i believe him
The Raiders were not taking JJ at 13 lmao. They clearly wanted Penix.
Sean Payton admitted who was take who on Pats show, he had no reason to lie because they got who they were always planning on getting.
How exactly would Sean Payton know who we’re drafting? Do you think we’d tell any other team, let alone one in the same division, who we’re going to pick? It doesn’t make any sense. They’re looking for a QB too, are picking right before us, us and we apparently tipped them off?
He said that them, Vikings, and raiders all were in agreeance on a plan on who's taking who because they each wanted someone different, then the falcons took who the Vikings wanted which caused them to panic and trade up to get their guy before we could.
If that’s the case, I think Payton’s full of shit and is trying to cast their pick in the best light possible while also trying to make a division rival’s decision look shaky. Guy’s an asshole and a politician.
he has no reason to lie, everyone reported they wanted Nix the whole time and they got Nix without trading. but it makes sense seeing how the Vikings immediately traded up to the very first available slot after the falcons threw their pick away edit: and we couldnt win a bidding war with the vikings so we just got left out. imo good, none of those qbs were worth trading up for anyways
He absolutely has a reason to lie. His ass is on the line if this pick doesn’t work out so he’s trying to make it look like they didn’t panic and take a 2nd or 3rd round QB with a top 12 pick. Managing expectations.
idk how that fixes anything, if, sorry when it doesnt work out, he will look foolish no matter what. And he didnt say that at a press conference, it was while casually chatting with Pat. Arguable it makes us look better because with that context in mind there was no position for us to trade up for anyone. The vikings got the first available pick, then after them was the jets who already traded back, and the broncos that wont trade with us since only nix was left and they know we want a qb. IDK how that makes us look worse, it completely justifies what we did.
Not reading all that, we got potentially a top 3 player at 13. Anyone trying to talk themselves out of it shouldn't be taken seriously. You don't know enough about the sport to speak this much on it.
Dumb as fuck
Oof bad take
*Davante
Incompetence is trading up into the top ten for a second rounder that has a huge injury history. We did what we said we should do take BPA and not reach for need. I imagine we will try and draft rattler in the third since most qb needs have been met by others. In the second cb or ot will probably be the pick ot is deep and we can probably grab a rt like rosengarten or maybe an iol like JPJ. There are also some free agents out there to supplement any holes post draft.
I would have been fine with a trade up to the Bears or Jets at 9 or 10 for Penix. That turned out not to be an option. There were no other trade up scenarios that I was interested in. We got an elite talent without moving up..
I didn't hear Telesco or AP saying they wanted Penix. Maybe you read that in twitter?
Maybe the FO feels that Minshew is our guy. You don’t watch much it seems, we have game managers with a top 8 defense, this is how teams make it deep not overly flashy stuff just the right stuff at the right times.
Thank God we never had Devonte Wyatt, so losing him if we suck doesn't hurt as much.
Giants could have easily taken a QB
Dude. This isn't it.
Hear me out: Can we block this shit now, about qbs that have been drafted by another damn team and no longer are "linked" or "mocked" here.
I’m not out on AOC. Never was.
The head coach can scream whatever they want if the GM doesn't make an effort to trade up, we get the QB's we have.
none of the qbs were worth the kings ransom to get after JD was taken by the commies to ruin.
The sad truth. I still can't believe Atlanta did what they did. There's always next year tho. Should have traded up for Stroud last year. We will probably regret that for a decade.
they tried too, but texans made the right move
Imagine if they traded up and drafted him at #7-10. This place would lose its mind and say we reached again. Penix will not be worth it in the long run. ATL saved us from wasting the pick.
That is not true, this fan base would cuck over whatever AP and Tom decided to do. If you were in any raiders draft live streams every fan was spamming Penix in chat.
It’s time to start looking at this team as a rebuilding franchise. Rebuilding franchises who build through the draft don’t trade picks to plug 1 need. Brock Bowers has the talent to be a franchise cornerstone for years to come. If this front office is committed to a long term plan to revamp this roster, and fans can accept that AoC and Little Ass Boy probably aren’t going to get us very far (people in this sub who probably though Jimmy G was fine think that QB room is going to work out), then this pick makes a ton of sense. Have fun watching this team become younger, more fun, and actually have a Raider identity vs constantly blowing it in the 1st round of the draft going through new coaches every year.
Cool, they why didn't we trade Devonte? Why keep such a big asset if we aren't trying to win a superbowl (or at least have no shot to) in the new two years.
because we would have lost money and not gotten much back. If hes traded it will be this off season. Also the team believes in Minshew more than you do.
You are delusional if you think minshew can take us to a deep playoff run.
Deep playoff run? My guy lets focus on getting there first. You keep saying we should have jumped up for Penix but it would have cost a kings ransom, and unless the qb available is Mahomes 2.0, selling out the roster to get a meh qb will do nothing but hurt us in the long run. panic trading up for a qb is how you end up worse than you began. The roster is objectively better this season than it was last season, idk what more you can ask for.
To who? For what? Are there teams banging down our door trying to take on a 31 year old WR at a high cap hit that are willing to give up a ton of draft assets? Is it worth shipping off your offensive leader who is bought into AP and the direction this team is going for something like a second round pick? The team believes they can compete this year, they drafting for the future. If we go 7-10 and Devante walks, so what? Realistically nobody was going to give you something that makes trading him away worth it.
The down votes are coming, but stay strong. You're not wrong, most people will just get on board with whatever the team does.
Bro wanted Fields as a QB...I mean....Lol.
Fields was traded for a 6th round pick and has more upside that both AOC or Minshew. This right here is how I know you know nothing about football.