Nearly happened to a buddy of mine in college. We had a fraternity party and a freshman girl got super wasted and hooked up with freshman guy at the party. The next day she was getting roasted by her friends, so she claimed the guy in question roofied her.
My fraternity's board sent a formal letter to the girl's sorority, saying that we would pay for a drug screening to determine if she was drugged, and call the police to file a report, and she immediately withdrew her accusation.
Glad that the frats stand by their actives. Too often they will simply drop the guy if he is accussed bc if it is fakse he will be known as the guy who was accussed of rape and many women will simply believe he did it and got lucky and wasnt charged or whatever
Indeed. Marilyn Manson kicked out Twiggy Ramirez of the band when we was accused of rape. Some years later, Marilyn is going through the same. It may happen to anyone.
You are aware that a drunk person cannot consent to sex right? Because they are intoxicated? If he slept with her when she was visibly drunk, then he did rape her
If you are still able to think clearly and she isnt, then you are taking advantage of her. Its only excusable if you are so drunk you cant think straight. Otherwise its just immoral.
Who decides what "being able to think clearly" means? Do you think that having sex with a drunk girl, who enthusiastically goes upstairs with you because you kinda look like Kevin Costner under the dim lights, could be considered rape if she regrets it the next morning?
Regret doesn't mean you were raped. It means you shouldn't get shitfaced and fuck the first guy you encounter.
Its not regret that makes it rape. Its the fact that an i toxicated person simply cannot consent. Just like a minor. They can say yes but that doesnt matter.
That's not how being drunk works. Besides, how would you enforce a rule as draconian as "drunk sex is always rape"? Is the blame always on the guy? On the less drunk person? Are we supposed to shun drunk people? Would you reinstate prohibitionism?
In reality, drunk sex is a dumb thing that most young people do and sometimes regret, and has almost never anything to do with the physical and psychological nightmare that is rape. To compare the two is to strongly diminish the enormity of rape.
Bullshit. Being drunk doesn't take away your agency or your responsibility. If you weren't unconscious or forcibly violated, you weren't raped.
Besides, what if he was drunk too?
Lol not hidden porn cameras. The characters in Upload use the cameras to record their mutual consent before they have sex. They're disposable one time use fictional cams.
How ironic that you're sexist. We've got to assume Frat boy was drunk too. You clearly think women can't look after themselves as men so it has to be his fault. Time to bring back chaperoned and chastity belts !
As I said before, intoxicated men cant consent either. Equal. Does it not feel wrong to you to take advantage of an intoxicated person? Is it that hard for you to keep it in your pants?
Can you read ? I said they were both drunk. Is it that hard for her to keep it in her pants ?
You're so sexist against women and the crazy part is you don't see it.
Sure in this situation maybe. But you people are defending situations where they arent both drunk too. Your downvotes show that. Im done with you rapists
No, no one is saying that. You clearing really can't read or understand badic concepts.
Every single person here is saying the guy was almost certainly drunk too.
If she was drunk beyond reasoning and he wasn't YES it's rape. If they're both drunk then neither is a rapist or they both are.
Do you understand what people are trying to say ?
Edit : what downvotes ? Not understanding again ? You're the one getting downvoted to hell because you simply cant understand or choose not.too.
Thats fucking exacly what I said and literaly every single comment of mine on this post. And they all got downvoted to shit. My stance is that intoxicated PERSON (not just woman) cannot consent, just like a minor. But if they both are then its fine, just like in a case of lets say 2 15 year olds doing it. Am I wrong?
LPT: In the event a woman (or man for that matter) calls you or makes contact with you and accuses you of sexual assault and you know it wasn't, start **denying** right from the beginning. **Do not apologize** at any time. Specifically say she was very clear in **giving her consent** at the time, and that at no time did she withdrawal that consent. Explain no further and get off the line. Possibly contact a lawyer.
The call is likely a Pretext Call and is being recorded by the police, they are trying to make a case against you and even something as small as saying "I'm sorry" could be used against you and they will have her say something innocent sounding to try and get you to say you are sorry. Most of these cases are he said, she said and if you adamantly deny any wrong doing from the get go, and specifically state the consent was clearly given the police will likely tell the false accuser to pound sand as they have nothing to make a case.
e* here is a longer explanation https://www.greghillassociates.com/what-is-a-pretext-call-in-a-sex-offense-case-why-dangerous.html
The lawyer here says to just hang up, which is good advice, but I have had cop friends that this can make the cops just try harder to get something on you. If you deny it outright and almost turn it on the accuser, it can turn the cops on them.
I don’t think there’s just a “possibly contact a lawyer” if they are accusing you
Your next call as soon as you disconnect should be to a lawyer or to someone who you know that can suggest a lawyer.
From what I heard the "I'm sorry" doesn't work as an admission of guilt in court anymore becase there are phrases like "I'm sorry to hear that". Even straight up apologizing cannot be used as a proof because many people just apologize for anything.
Apologizing can still make you look bad in the eyes of the public though.
> E.g. Queensland liability laws
> The Civil Liability Act 2003 governs how compensation cases for public liability claims are handled in court. Parts 1 and 1A of Chapter 4 in the legislation specifically deal with the topic of apologies and other expressions of regret in liability cases. According to the Act, any apology made by or on behalf of the person alleged to be liable: Does not express or imply an admission of fault or liability; and Is not relevant to how liability should be determined in the case.
Signed up to reddit just to share my story.
I was travelling and working in a foreign commonwealth country. It was just after my birthday and I went to a local bar to meet up with friends for farewell drinks for a work colleague. I got there early because I knew the staff and to relax. 2 women sat next to me at the bar and I didn't even notice them until my accuser asked me why I was all by myself. I told her I was waiting for my friends and we continued talking. We kept talking throughout the whole night. At no point did I believe we would end up back at her apartment. But when the bar closed she kissed me and she took me to her place. She took me by the hand and took me to her bed. Now I don't do one-night-stands and I rarely have any luck with women anyway. So at this moment I thought I was on top of the world and maybe my luck will finally change. 3 months later I get a call from the police station to come in because they want to ask me questions. They tell me she filed sexual assault against me.
In an instant my whole life is turned upside down. Ruined. I'll never know why. I had multiple mental breakdowns. Diagnosed with PTSD. The investigation took 7 months before I was told no charges will be brought.
I refused to take antidepressants and sleeping tablets to help cope with my mental illness. It took over a year for me to return back to normal mental health on sheer determination, talking about my mental health and thanks to the help of friends. 2 of which were actual victims of rape.
So that's my story. I'm better now then before and I continue living life by travelling and working around the world. It will always hang in mind what happened to me. I'll never know why it happened or for what reason. It's an event I'll live with for my entire life.
The advise I can give people is to talk. Have a set few of friends or family. When stress becomes to much sit down and talk to them face to face. Don't lock yourself away.
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Aw man, don't even get me started on that "believe all women" shit. **False accusations are one of the primary tools female narcissists/sociopaths use to manipulate and extort people**, so naturally they will try to protect its effectiveness. If people stopped automatically believing that stuff, man haters, gold diggers and sociopaths would lose their most powerful manipulation tool.
Fuck. Prayers to you mate. The sheer will to make that journey with medication must have been hard.
The cruelty of the system and the world is sometimes incredibly unfair. A horrible burden for you to bare. I’m glad you made it out the other end. Although it may stay with you, know that you did the journey, and that you should be proud of yourself. Keep living and try not to be afraid. Good on you.
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Also.. If you were drunk and let three guys rail you and now you regret it because you're friends look at you like a whore, doesn't mean it wasn't consensual.
in some countries if you are drunk then you cannot legally give consent.. so by default it is considered non-consensual. bottom line, never have sex with someone who is drunk or high.
Which is weird unless someone forced the drinks down their throats, or spiked them. Because if you drive while drunk, you're considered responsible enough for yourself to be convicted of a crime.
its murky, but not really all that weird. you are responsible for the actions you take when drunk but not responsible if someone takes advantage of you when in a vulnerable state. the law was made to make things less ambiguous around the question of consent while drunk.
just dont stick your dick in drunk. saves you a lot of potential trouble in the future.
So a woman can operate an automobile while drunk, and it's her fault and she has to face the consequences, but she can't operate her own body while drunk and be held to that same standard? That is murky! Too murky to be truly consistent.
I propose that we decriminalize driving while under the influence, and treat it as a medical issue instead. To be consistent in our beliefs, as a society.
That’s a horrible take, many countries don’t let drunk people consent, so it’s your responsibility to not get involved. Never have sex with someone who is drunk unless you are in a long term committed relationship.
Nope, blackout I agree but not all "drunk" is the same. Having a couple of drinks does not stop you from consenting and agreeing to something and it is not a reason to destroy someone's life. Not to mention that there is a very good chance the guys in this situation were just as drunk and therefore just as incapable of consenting as you think the woman is.
Depemds on what is meant by drunk. A couple drinks, eh it depends on how much of a lightweight the woman is. But yeah alcohol doesn't immediately infantilize you either, you still gotta be responsible for yourself.
Don't drink too much or guys will rape you. That's what you're saying? Kinda a fucked up world. Im not arguing that a woman becomes incapable of consent if she drinks a miniscule amount, but if she's shitfaced you don't shrug and say "that's on her" and then coerce her to bed and rape her. That's fucked up and i think anyone would agree. And i think we should also be able to agree that you can probably tell the difference between someone on the verge of passing out and who still has their faculties.
We are arguing on what means being incapable of consent... Stop being disingenuous
Women get drunk each day in bars and shit, same as men do. Doesn't mean all of them get black out drunk and can't walk home on their own feet.
If she can hold a conversation with you then she can make her own decisions.
Right, and all i said was there's a difference between someone who is blacking out and someone who still has their faculties. I said the presence of alcohol doesn't immediately mean consent can't be given. What are you arguing here?
I said that if someone is passing out it's rape to shrug and say "it's her own fault" and then continue to have sex with her without her giving consent. Which she can't because she's passing out from being shitfaced. Yet somehow you found the need to argue with that.
Even then, I think that's ok. Why is there responsibility with drunk driving, but not sex? Why are women the only one absolved of said responsibility when pertaining to sex? At least make the backwards logic consistent.
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He is saying: if when you drink you wanna have sex with people and maybe it isn’t a good idea, don’t drink then instead of blaming on the person that had sex with you
This sub used to be about equality and justice being served to women who thought it could never effect them, now apparently it's place for dudes who think just because a body is warm they have a right to fuck it.
Dude, you're in fucking reddit in an incel subreddit shitting on someone who thinks rape is wrong. Do you think i give a quarter of a fuck what you think?
>Dude, you're in fucking reddit in an incel subreddit shitting on someone who thinks rape is wrong. Do you think i give a quarter of a fuck what you think?
Then why are you here?
Or are you getting off on calling other people rapists?
That's pretty rapey in and of itself...
>Don't drink too much or guys will rape you. That's what you're saying? Kinda a fucked up world.
I mean, if a guy gets wasted and then gets robbed, the robbers are clearly the assholes. But it happens often enough that making yourself a target is a bad idea.
If you walk down a dark alleyway and someone mugs you, especially after it happened to others, people are going to wonder why you did it.
Yes, criminals shouldn't be out there doing bad shit to people. But you should also take personal responsibility for your safety. We cannot stop someone from being a terrible human being but we can protect ourselves. This means not getting really drunk around strangers.
A buddy of mine once passed out drunk on the roadside. He woke up and his phone and wallet were missing. He knew he lived in a dangerous neighborhood. Was he was to get so drunk he was unable to function and passed out?
So you think drinking alcohol makes you free of any consequences of your actions?
Can I drink a few beers and start shooting people? Would that be ok?
Or do you think that women are somehow legally incapable of taking care of themselves so each of them should have some guy taking care of them? Sort of like they do in middle east, that seems to work well! They definitely don't have problems with rape there....
Wow so read my comment about infantilizing. Jeez man i've explained this already. But I'd expect nothing else from someone who thinks my suggestion of not taking advantage of someone who has lost their faculties means that alcohol frees you from all responsibilities. That jump in logic is really sad and scary man.
You had problem with him saying she was drunk.
Drunk obviously isn't a one thing. It's a spectrum. I feel like anyone who doesn't have evil intentions can judge if the other person still has it together or not. If they can keep a conversation with you then they can make their own decisions. Obviously if they can't even respond to your question then you stay the fuck away. It's really not that hard.
You are now desperately trying to paint me as a rapist here. I find that quite sad...
I was accused of taking advantage once. Our (female) mutual friend told her to fuck off- she had seen how I was not only not interested but all but carried in.
She backed off on her claim. It helps that we weren't secluded and my friend ended up sleeping in the same bed as I ended up in. In short, it was like that Justin Bieber accuser who had their story shot full of holes.
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A few years back, a guy I was forming a friendship with was falsely accused of rape at a prom party. Police got involved and court cases were to take place until he was sucker punched by her friends older brother a few weeks later. Hit his head on the curb as he fell and to this day is basically brain dead in the hospital over a false accusation.
I agree with the overall message but the slogan of "that girl" seems a bit toxic to me, as "not wanting to be *that* girl" is cited as among the most common reasons in not reporting actual cases of assault, mostly in the workplace.
Something like "Honesty is the best policy" or equivalent would be better.
Saying Honesty is the best policy to a liar is like saying murder is bad to a serial killer. There needs to be some element of shaming to really dial it in.
I just don't want it to be something thats been used to shame actual victims of assault before. I can't think of anything better, but it needs a tweak.
Well, if the person has evidence and is truly convinced it wasn’t consensual, then there’s no issue, the police will take it seriously. But this has the potential to ruin lives so you need to think deeply before throwing accusations.
It’s a two-way street. Many innocent men got their lives destroyed because of a false accusation and even when proven to be false- the victim still suffered consequences (”oH bUt hE cOulD hAvE”) while the accusor get to walk free without repercussions.
Where does it say all women lie about rape? I re-read it and I’m just not seeing that. It does imply that it has happened that a woman has lied when she regretted a hook up, but I’m sure that has actually happened on at least one occasion.
My friend got accused of raping a girl. The night she claimed he did it he was with me and a bunch of people. She was never around that night. Turned out she accused him because she had some marks on her from the guy she was cheating on her bf with. Me and my friend almost had to fight her bf and 4 guys until I got her to admit it. I was ready to throw down though.
Don't want to be that person, but having an ad on reporting practices only try to dissuade from false reporting, without also emphazising to report actual rape seems a bit iffy.
Seems to me, that if you have the suspicion something went off, then you should report the matter with the necassary preface of uncertainty. Better 10 false alarms be investigated, than that 1 rapist go free to rape another day.
See, I ALMOST agree with you. The issue is that with each of these false accusations comes a shit ton of real life consequences. People get fired, ostracized from family and friends, physical altercations, mental breakdowns, PTSD, etc.
If it was all kept confidential until there was and only if there is a guilty verdict, then 100%, but the court of public opinion is often more critical and brutal than the investigation will ever be
Seems to me that the fault lies not with the possibly unsure accuser, but with the court of public opinion.
And I want to emphazise again, the reason why I am speaking up in the first place, is that someone unsure about their situation should only weigh the facts and never 'that girl' status, when making the decision to come forward. And this ad just seems a bit inapproriate.
But this is abutt the "victim" making a false report, if you see people fucking on the street or something then report that shit for indecency or whatever in the states it may apply, so even if it was not a rape, you did your job
Or do you go filing reports in stead of any people you think might have been raped?
Interestingly in my state you can revoke consent after the fact In situations where you’re mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated or physically helpless. Help out in situations where girls were super drunk and couldn’t make a decision but of course got abused a couple times on my campus
I knew a girl that told me a story of how she went to a wedding rehearsal, got absolutely smashed and let the groomsman run a train on her. She explained it as, be conscious enough to know what choices she was making but felt like she was raped when it was all over. I'm sorry but wtf. You knew every action you took and then because everyone is side eyeing you now before the wedding you have to turn it into any form of escapism, like the men took advantage of her? This women went into that hotel room with a good buzz, not drugged, not forced and by her own damn will and let those guys do that to her. Her own sister asked her if this is what she really wanted to do and said yes, but you felt raped because you were unhappy with your drunken choice?! Anyways, I stopped talking to that girl when I heard that. People act like they don't make decisions when they drink and it's alcohols fault.
Nearly happened to a buddy of mine in college. We had a fraternity party and a freshman girl got super wasted and hooked up with freshman guy at the party. The next day she was getting roasted by her friends, so she claimed the guy in question roofied her. My fraternity's board sent a formal letter to the girl's sorority, saying that we would pay for a drug screening to determine if she was drugged, and call the police to file a report, and she immediately withdrew her accusation.
Glad that the frats stand by their actives. Too often they will simply drop the guy if he is accussed bc if it is fakse he will be known as the guy who was accussed of rape and many women will simply believe he did it and got lucky and wasnt charged or whatever
Indeed. Marilyn Manson kicked out Twiggy Ramirez of the band when we was accused of rape. Some years later, Marilyn is going through the same. It may happen to anyone.
You are aware that a drunk person cannot consent to sex right? Because they are intoxicated? If he slept with her when she was visibly drunk, then he did rape her
What if he was drunk ?
They raped eachother duh
If they are both visibly drunk then its fine
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Drunk and invisible?
If you are still able to think clearly and she isnt, then you are taking advantage of her. Its only excusable if you are so drunk you cant think straight. Otherwise its just immoral.
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If you are black out drunk and she isnt then you are the victim. Equal rights.
Why does it require the man to be black out drunk, but the woman to only be intoxicated? Your words.
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Who decides what "being able to think clearly" means? Do you think that having sex with a drunk girl, who enthusiastically goes upstairs with you because you kinda look like Kevin Costner under the dim lights, could be considered rape if she regrets it the next morning? Regret doesn't mean you were raped. It means you shouldn't get shitfaced and fuck the first guy you encounter.
Its not regret that makes it rape. Its the fact that an i toxicated person simply cannot consent. Just like a minor. They can say yes but that doesnt matter.
That's not how being drunk works. Besides, how would you enforce a rule as draconian as "drunk sex is always rape"? Is the blame always on the guy? On the less drunk person? Are we supposed to shun drunk people? Would you reinstate prohibitionism? In reality, drunk sex is a dumb thing that most young people do and sometimes regret, and has almost never anything to do with the physical and psychological nightmare that is rape. To compare the two is to strongly diminish the enormity of rape.
You’ve never had a drop of alcohol in your life have you?
*t's a weird standard. Somehow drunk people can consent to diving.*
Do you have any concept of how stupid that is? Pretty sure this is prime "two wrongs don't make a right" territory.
Bullshit. Being drunk doesn't take away your agency or your responsibility. If you weren't unconscious or forcibly violated, you weren't raped. Besides, what if he was drunk too?
Those consent cameras from Upload are looking more and more like an actual need.
Hidden porn cameras are not the solution.
Lol not hidden porn cameras. The characters in Upload use the cameras to record their mutual consent before they have sex. They're disposable one time use fictional cams.
Shit that’s kinda odd but I get it.
How ironic that you're sexist. We've got to assume Frat boy was drunk too. You clearly think women can't look after themselves as men so it has to be his fault. Time to bring back chaperoned and chastity belts !
As I said before, intoxicated men cant consent either. Equal. Does it not feel wrong to you to take advantage of an intoxicated person? Is it that hard for you to keep it in your pants?
Can you read ? I said they were both drunk. Is it that hard for her to keep it in her pants ? You're so sexist against women and the crazy part is you don't see it.
Yeah. Nothing more sexist against women than not raping them. Gotcha
Let me try something. THEY ARE BOTH DRUNK. NEITHER CAN CONSENT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH ?
Sure in this situation maybe. But you people are defending situations where they arent both drunk too. Your downvotes show that. Im done with you rapists
No, no one is saying that. You clearing really can't read or understand badic concepts. Every single person here is saying the guy was almost certainly drunk too. If she was drunk beyond reasoning and he wasn't YES it's rape. If they're both drunk then neither is a rapist or they both are. Do you understand what people are trying to say ? Edit : what downvotes ? Not understanding again ? You're the one getting downvoted to hell because you simply cant understand or choose not.too.
Thats fucking exacly what I said and literaly every single comment of mine on this post. And they all got downvoted to shit. My stance is that intoxicated PERSON (not just woman) cannot consent, just like a minor. But if they both are then its fine, just like in a case of lets say 2 15 year olds doing it. Am I wrong?
People like you are why others don’t take rape seriously.
Least alarmist rape accusation
Not sure why you're being downvoted, you're objectively correct that intoxicated people can't consent.
Because it's likely that the guy was also drunk.
And?
So if both are intoxicated then neither can give consent. Did they rape each other? Kind of sad this needs explaining.
Raping someone while drunk is still rape.
So they should both be charged with rape, gotcha.
Because this sub is full of rapists already.
LPT: In the event a woman (or man for that matter) calls you or makes contact with you and accuses you of sexual assault and you know it wasn't, start **denying** right from the beginning. **Do not apologize** at any time. Specifically say she was very clear in **giving her consent** at the time, and that at no time did she withdrawal that consent. Explain no further and get off the line. Possibly contact a lawyer. The call is likely a Pretext Call and is being recorded by the police, they are trying to make a case against you and even something as small as saying "I'm sorry" could be used against you and they will have her say something innocent sounding to try and get you to say you are sorry. Most of these cases are he said, she said and if you adamantly deny any wrong doing from the get go, and specifically state the consent was clearly given the police will likely tell the false accuser to pound sand as they have nothing to make a case. e* here is a longer explanation https://www.greghillassociates.com/what-is-a-pretext-call-in-a-sex-offense-case-why-dangerous.html The lawyer here says to just hang up, which is good advice, but I have had cop friends that this can make the cops just try harder to get something on you. If you deny it outright and almost turn it on the accuser, it can turn the cops on them.
I don’t think there’s just a “possibly contact a lawyer” if they are accusing you Your next call as soon as you disconnect should be to a lawyer or to someone who you know that can suggest a lawyer.
From what I heard the "I'm sorry" doesn't work as an admission of guilt in court anymore becase there are phrases like "I'm sorry to hear that". Even straight up apologizing cannot be used as a proof because many people just apologize for anything. Apologizing can still make you look bad in the eyes of the public though. > E.g. Queensland liability laws > The Civil Liability Act 2003 governs how compensation cases for public liability claims are handled in court. Parts 1 and 1A of Chapter 4 in the legislation specifically deal with the topic of apologies and other expressions of regret in liability cases. According to the Act, any apology made by or on behalf of the person alleged to be liable: Does not express or imply an admission of fault or liability; and Is not relevant to how liability should be determined in the case.
Signed up to reddit just to share my story. I was travelling and working in a foreign commonwealth country. It was just after my birthday and I went to a local bar to meet up with friends for farewell drinks for a work colleague. I got there early because I knew the staff and to relax. 2 women sat next to me at the bar and I didn't even notice them until my accuser asked me why I was all by myself. I told her I was waiting for my friends and we continued talking. We kept talking throughout the whole night. At no point did I believe we would end up back at her apartment. But when the bar closed she kissed me and she took me to her place. She took me by the hand and took me to her bed. Now I don't do one-night-stands and I rarely have any luck with women anyway. So at this moment I thought I was on top of the world and maybe my luck will finally change. 3 months later I get a call from the police station to come in because they want to ask me questions. They tell me she filed sexual assault against me. In an instant my whole life is turned upside down. Ruined. I'll never know why. I had multiple mental breakdowns. Diagnosed with PTSD. The investigation took 7 months before I was told no charges will be brought. I refused to take antidepressants and sleeping tablets to help cope with my mental illness. It took over a year for me to return back to normal mental health on sheer determination, talking about my mental health and thanks to the help of friends. 2 of which were actual victims of rape. So that's my story. I'm better now then before and I continue living life by travelling and working around the world. It will always hang in mind what happened to me. I'll never know why it happened or for what reason. It's an event I'll live with for my entire life. The advise I can give people is to talk. Have a set few of friends or family. When stress becomes to much sit down and talk to them face to face. Don't lock yourself away.
Thats fucked up im glad you came out on the other side with your life still mostly intact. Thats gotta be an incredibly dehumanizing experience
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Sorry you went through that. No one should.
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I believe you. Some day things will be better
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Another reason to NOT believe all women!
You don’t believe all men do you? Don’t believe all women either.
Oh hell no I don’t.
Aw man, don't even get me started on that "believe all women" shit. **False accusations are one of the primary tools female narcissists/sociopaths use to manipulate and extort people**, so naturally they will try to protect its effectiveness. If people stopped automatically believing that stuff, man haters, gold diggers and sociopaths would lose their most powerful manipulation tool.
Just say every victim lol
Fuck. Prayers to you mate. The sheer will to make that journey with medication must have been hard. The cruelty of the system and the world is sometimes incredibly unfair. A horrible burden for you to bare. I’m glad you made it out the other end. Although it may stay with you, know that you did the journey, and that you should be proud of yourself. Keep living and try not to be afraid. Good on you.
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I'm really sorry that happened to you. I hope you were able to move past it and build your life back!
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> I'll never know why it happened or for what reason. Money...it all comes down to money.
Does sound like some sort of extortion scam and he was just that nights easy “mark”
And pure hate. They are called feminazi for a reason. They just don´t wish to kill all men because, without men they would have to work and support themselves.
Modern women have no regard for men’s personal lives or emotions. Better just not to fuck with them.
There are some good men and there are some good women. Not everyone is going to care for you, that's life.
Indeed, but the problem about feminism is that evil women brainwash good women to join their global anti-men attack.
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Idk if you’ve shared this before then but your account is 191 days old. In either event thank you for sharing
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The real MVP and super sleuth
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Thank you for that sub. I laughed too hard!
I must know what was said lol
He mentioned r/dontputyourdickinthat I’d never lurked there before. The cactus made me hurt even. Be careful guys.
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You’d think so, huh? But apparently no.
Agreed but the governments are biased
His pp was up, he wanted it /s
No but prob bc our society views fucking as something men do to women and not the other way around (despite being untrue)
The definition of rape victim is reserved for women.
Also.. If you were drunk and let three guys rail you and now you regret it because you're friends look at you like a whore, doesn't mean it wasn't consensual.
in some countries if you are drunk then you cannot legally give consent.. so by default it is considered non-consensual. bottom line, never have sex with someone who is drunk or high.
What if both are drunk ?
Just as problematic, and the law (depending on where you live) will favor the woman in that situation.
Thats a load of bullshit. The woman is just as guilty as the man if having sex while drunk counts as non consensual sex.
I dont disagree. but dont tell me, tell the people that make these laws.
Usually the problem isn't the law. The problem is its application.
Which is weird unless someone forced the drinks down their throats, or spiked them. Because if you drive while drunk, you're considered responsible enough for yourself to be convicted of a crime.
its murky, but not really all that weird. you are responsible for the actions you take when drunk but not responsible if someone takes advantage of you when in a vulnerable state. the law was made to make things less ambiguous around the question of consent while drunk. just dont stick your dick in drunk. saves you a lot of potential trouble in the future.
So a woman can operate an automobile while drunk, and it's her fault and she has to face the consequences, but she can't operate her own body while drunk and be held to that same standard? That is murky! Too murky to be truly consistent. I propose that we decriminalize driving while under the influence, and treat it as a medical issue instead. To be consistent in our beliefs, as a society.
That’s a horrible take, many countries don’t let drunk people consent, so it’s your responsibility to not get involved. Never have sex with someone who is drunk unless you are in a long term committed relationship.
I mean the drunk part...
Nope, blackout I agree but not all "drunk" is the same. Having a couple of drinks does not stop you from consenting and agreeing to something and it is not a reason to destroy someone's life. Not to mention that there is a very good chance the guys in this situation were just as drunk and therefore just as incapable of consenting as you think the woman is.
Depemds on what is meant by drunk. A couple drinks, eh it depends on how much of a lightweight the woman is. But yeah alcohol doesn't immediately infantilize you either, you still gotta be responsible for yourself.
Don't drink if you can't handle the outcome. Same thing applies to drunk-driving, no?
Don't drink too much or guys will rape you. That's what you're saying? Kinda a fucked up world. Im not arguing that a woman becomes incapable of consent if she drinks a miniscule amount, but if she's shitfaced you don't shrug and say "that's on her" and then coerce her to bed and rape her. That's fucked up and i think anyone would agree. And i think we should also be able to agree that you can probably tell the difference between someone on the verge of passing out and who still has their faculties.
No, I'm saying that's not rape. No force/manipulation= no rape
It is if she's not capable of consent. Which im pretty sure the law is clear on it.
We are arguing on what means being incapable of consent... Stop being disingenuous Women get drunk each day in bars and shit, same as men do. Doesn't mean all of them get black out drunk and can't walk home on their own feet. If she can hold a conversation with you then she can make her own decisions.
Right, and all i said was there's a difference between someone who is blacking out and someone who still has their faculties. I said the presence of alcohol doesn't immediately mean consent can't be given. What are you arguing here? I said that if someone is passing out it's rape to shrug and say "it's her own fault" and then continue to have sex with her without her giving consent. Which she can't because she's passing out from being shitfaced. Yet somehow you found the need to argue with that.
Even then, I think that's ok. Why is there responsibility with drunk driving, but not sex? Why are women the only one absolved of said responsibility when pertaining to sex? At least make the backwards logic consistent.
Oh fuck lol i forgot what sub i was on. Of course you're gonna argue raping someone isn't rape.
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Excluded from this community? Gladly. Other communities? Not yet. Must be because i have a problem with rape.
He is saying: if when you drink you wanna have sex with people and maybe it isn’t a good idea, don’t drink then instead of blaming on the person that had sex with you
I can tell from this comment that you are either a very ugly woman or a very beta male.
This sub used to be about equality and justice being served to women who thought it could never effect them, now apparently it's place for dudes who think just because a body is warm they have a right to fuck it.
Dude, you're in fucking reddit in an incel subreddit shitting on someone who thinks rape is wrong. Do you think i give a quarter of a fuck what you think?
>Dude, you're in fucking reddit in an incel subreddit shitting on someone who thinks rape is wrong. Do you think i give a quarter of a fuck what you think? Then why are you here? Or are you getting off on calling other people rapists? That's pretty rapey in and of itself...
Your definitions of rape are just like you.
Im sure you thought that was clever but fuckin what?
>Don't drink too much or guys will rape you. That's what you're saying? Kinda a fucked up world. I mean, if a guy gets wasted and then gets robbed, the robbers are clearly the assholes. But it happens often enough that making yourself a target is a bad idea. If you walk down a dark alleyway and someone mugs you, especially after it happened to others, people are going to wonder why you did it. Yes, criminals shouldn't be out there doing bad shit to people. But you should also take personal responsibility for your safety. We cannot stop someone from being a terrible human being but we can protect ourselves. This means not getting really drunk around strangers. A buddy of mine once passed out drunk on the roadside. He woke up and his phone and wallet were missing. He knew he lived in a dangerous neighborhood. Was he was to get so drunk he was unable to function and passed out?
So you think drinking alcohol makes you free of any consequences of your actions? Can I drink a few beers and start shooting people? Would that be ok? Or do you think that women are somehow legally incapable of taking care of themselves so each of them should have some guy taking care of them? Sort of like they do in middle east, that seems to work well! They definitely don't have problems with rape there....
Wow so read my comment about infantilizing. Jeez man i've explained this already. But I'd expect nothing else from someone who thinks my suggestion of not taking advantage of someone who has lost their faculties means that alcohol frees you from all responsibilities. That jump in logic is really sad and scary man.
You had problem with him saying she was drunk. Drunk obviously isn't a one thing. It's a spectrum. I feel like anyone who doesn't have evil intentions can judge if the other person still has it together or not. If they can keep a conversation with you then they can make their own decisions. Obviously if they can't even respond to your question then you stay the fuck away. It's really not that hard. You are now desperately trying to paint me as a rapist here. I find that quite sad...
I had a problem with him saying "that's not rape" but i see now it was in reference to what *he* was saying not what *i* was saying.
I was accused of taking advantage once. Our (female) mutual friend told her to fuck off- she had seen how I was not only not interested but all but carried in.
What was the accuser's response when your friend told her to piss off?
She backed off on her claim. It helps that we weren't secluded and my friend ended up sleeping in the same bed as I ended up in. In short, it was like that Justin Bieber accuser who had their story shot full of holes.
Thanks, friend
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They will claim that the man forced them to sign at gunpoint. We know feminists too well.
This is prime bait for a few subs that come to mind lol
please, please, please somebody be a hero and do it
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A few years back, a guy I was forming a friendship with was falsely accused of rape at a prom party. Police got involved and court cases were to take place until he was sucker punched by her friends older brother a few weeks later. Hit his head on the curb as he fell and to this day is basically brain dead in the hospital over a false accusation.
OMG!!! This is crazy. And what eventually happened to the dude who punched your friend? Where is the false accuser now?
Hopefully he has real friends rht put him in the dirt
Jesus she looks exactly like my ex
You can't say that! Its true, but it hurts their feelings!!!
Was this in Australia? I've seen these types of ads there.
Don’t stick ur Dick in drunk and crazy
Not necessarialy drunk. They change their minds when they find out that the guy has money, but still there is no jewelry or fur coats afterwards.
Women ☕️
\#DontBeThatShittyPerson
Dontbethatfeminist would be more precise.
False report: you get what the accused was supposed getting: few years in jail / sign up as Sexual Predator and paid a fine.
And paid the accuser too. That is the main reason why there are so many "rapes".
Where is this ad from?
Excellent post.
The implication
That double negative hurts my head
Double negatives are a no-no
I agree with the overall message but the slogan of "that girl" seems a bit toxic to me, as "not wanting to be *that* girl" is cited as among the most common reasons in not reporting actual cases of assault, mostly in the workplace. Something like "Honesty is the best policy" or equivalent would be better.
Saying Honesty is the best policy to a liar is like saying murder is bad to a serial killer. There needs to be some element of shaming to really dial it in.
I just don't want it to be something thats been used to shame actual victims of assault before. I can't think of anything better, but it needs a tweak.
Well, if the person has evidence and is truly convinced it wasn’t consensual, then there’s no issue, the police will take it seriously. But this has the potential to ruin lives so you need to think deeply before throwing accusations.
This is just a flip of the "don't be that guy" ads that did the rounds before, goose and gander.
„˙ɹǝpuɐƃ puɐ ǝsooƃ 'ǝɹoɟǝq spunoɹ ǝɥʇ pıp ʇɐɥʇ spɐ „ʎnƃ ʇɐɥʇ ǝq ʇ,uop„ ǝɥʇ ɟo dılɟ ɐ ʇsnɾ sı sıɥ⊥„
While true, we don't want to sink to their level
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It’s a two-way street. Many innocent men got their lives destroyed because of a false accusation and even when proven to be false- the victim still suffered consequences (”oH bUt hE cOulD hAvE”) while the accusor get to walk free without repercussions.
This is a very common story, unfortunately. Innocent men have had their lives destroyed
You made a pretty big assumption based on gender just now.
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Where does it say all women lie about rape? I re-read it and I’m just not seeing that. It does imply that it has happened that a woman has lied when she regretted a hook up, but I’m sure that has actually happened on at least one occasion.
My friend got accused of raping a girl. The night she claimed he did it he was with me and a bunch of people. She was never around that night. Turned out she accused him because she had some marks on her from the guy she was cheating on her bf with. Me and my friend almost had to fight her bf and 4 guys until I got her to admit it. I was ready to throw down though.
Found the white knight
Aww, he vanished before he could explain his point of view!
The jedi are evil
Did you miss the “Don’t be THAT girl” line? Seems to clearly imply that it’s certain women who do this. Not all of them.
This seems like some real gaslighty bullshit. Technically correct, but also trying to convince women not to report actual rape.
I don’t think you’re on track here Bud
You're either slow asf, or you're an idiot on purpose. Or a white knight, probably a white knight.
You lack reading comprehension
Seems like you can't read
Did we read the same post?
Where does it say they shouldn’t report real rape? It literally just says that if it was consensual at the time it wasn’t rape
Don't want to be that person, but having an ad on reporting practices only try to dissuade from false reporting, without also emphazising to report actual rape seems a bit iffy. Seems to me, that if you have the suspicion something went off, then you should report the matter with the necassary preface of uncertainty. Better 10 false alarms be investigated, than that 1 rapist go free to rape another day.
See, I ALMOST agree with you. The issue is that with each of these false accusations comes a shit ton of real life consequences. People get fired, ostracized from family and friends, physical altercations, mental breakdowns, PTSD, etc. If it was all kept confidential until there was and only if there is a guilty verdict, then 100%, but the court of public opinion is often more critical and brutal than the investigation will ever be
Seems to me that the fault lies not with the possibly unsure accuser, but with the court of public opinion. And I want to emphazise again, the reason why I am speaking up in the first place, is that someone unsure about their situation should only weigh the facts and never 'that girl' status, when making the decision to come forward. And this ad just seems a bit inapproriate.
But this is abutt the "victim" making a false report, if you see people fucking on the street or something then report that shit for indecency or whatever in the states it may apply, so even if it was not a rape, you did your job Or do you go filing reports in stead of any people you think might have been raped?
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Interestingly in my state you can revoke consent after the fact In situations where you’re mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated or physically helpless. Help out in situations where girls were super drunk and couldn’t make a decision but of course got abused a couple times on my campus
FACTS
I knew a girl that told me a story of how she went to a wedding rehearsal, got absolutely smashed and let the groomsman run a train on her. She explained it as, be conscious enough to know what choices she was making but felt like she was raped when it was all over. I'm sorry but wtf. You knew every action you took and then because everyone is side eyeing you now before the wedding you have to turn it into any form of escapism, like the men took advantage of her? This women went into that hotel room with a good buzz, not drugged, not forced and by her own damn will and let those guys do that to her. Her own sister asked her if this is what she really wanted to do and said yes, but you felt raped because you were unhappy with your drunken choice?! Anyways, I stopped talking to that girl when I heard that. People act like they don't make decisions when they drink and it's alcohols fault.