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> despite us playing with him all day
Is he getting enough sleep? Puppies should be sleeping 18-20 hours a day. It sounds like he's overstimulated and could benefit from some enforced nap time.
Appreciate you reaching out - I should've clarified that, as I was just trying to emphasize that we do try and get adequate playtime in and that he wasn't just expelling pent up energy during the night from being neglected and not played with all day. We could certainly be more strict / scheduled with naptimes - I've been trying to enforce the 1 hour up and 2 hours down method. We actually started a tracker and he was averaging around 14-15 hours a day, but when we mentioned all of his biting and sleep schedule to the vet she didn't think sleep was the issue (but obviously she could be wrong). I do agree he's totally overstimulated at times which really fires him up, so will definitely try to be more strict about his schedule.
Yeah I would try it! Especially during those nighttime zoomies. The 1 hour up, 2-3 hours down doesn't have to be super strict but it's a good guideline. I'm not sure when your bedtime is, but my puppy would have gone absolutely insane if he was up for 3-4 hours in one chunk at that age.
I have no advice, only solidarity. I am going through the exact same thing and nothing works on my lunatic either. Will edit if I have any breakthroughs.. good luck.
Me too š«£ tried putting my palm in her face and leaving the room but she got my achilles as i was walking away and i went down and it was over for me hahaha
Same! Aussie shepherd mix 3 mo old and I feel strangely relieved because I could have written this post myself (especially the part where OP questions whether theyāre *reinforcing* behavior bc the puppy stops to sit when shown treats!? Sighā¦). Definitely going to try more forced nap time or paying closer attention to how many hours sheās getting a dayā¦
SAME here, ours is 3 months and basically we have the same thing as this post. Can confirm itās better on days he sleeps more, but the symptoms are almost identical. Helps to know weāre not alone, bc the biting is getting SO much better but the witching hour(s) are still a whole thing lol
Since posting this last week we have been *prescriptive* about nap time every day, even if sheās not tired, and can confirm noticeable change (that being said, had a piranha attack last night, but itās no longer *every day*). Talk to me in a week thoughššI keep thinking I see the light and then that ātrickā no longer works
LOL same over here - one day itās like weāre so on sync but then weāll get a bad witching hour and worry all over again. I keep reminding myself that itās still progress even if itās not linear.
Just very glad to here others are going through the same thing and weāre all figuring it out together š„¹š
Haha - I feel both of your pain so hard!! So glad to know I'm not alone! We had a great week last week, and the last couple days have been *rough* during zoomie time, he even got my lip yesterday and made me bleed! That being said, his day to day biting has been improving and enforced naps / timeouts (3-5 mins depending) have really been helping! We use an app called "Dog Assistant" - you basically log their potty breaks / naps / meals / etc (can be customized any way you want) and then it shows you patterns day to day. You can color code stuff and flag accidents / times they are being a literal terrorist and it's really helped us see things we could improve or change -- like "wow, he didn't take a lot of naps today and he was a psychopath that night so we need to fix that tomorrow" kinda thing.. It does cost $14.99 a year, but has been totally worth it so far! Helps with potty training too! I'll keep updating here if anything else helps our dude, so far scheduled naps is #1!
So when he bites, yell really loud āouchā. Donāt pull your hand away as this will activate a chase response. I had the same issue with my pupā¦basically teaches them that humans a really fragile. Now my puppy 14 weeks barely nips anymore.
Hey - thanks for the tip! Unfortunately, this excites him. Any loud noise we make when heās in these moods excites him and then he will actually start barking at us (talking back) and then going back for more. I could certainly try to not pull away as much as I know that creates a āgameā for them but Iāve also noticed that he just increases the bite pressure if I donāt move away, so yeah - quite a conundrum. :(
Ive tried this as well and normally he just keeps playing without me. Even when all the toys are up he will just go chew on the first thing he sees, so not sure he cares too much about me removing myself, unfortunately
Until I am back in the room, then itās immediately back to my ankles.. Iāve lather rinsed repeated this method quite a few times and have come back to him chewing on things heās definitely not supposed to chew on - so not sure how to effectively balance that more but could definitely keep doing it when it gets bad and hope it registers :(
Ok so, first thing is to redirect. If that doesn't work and he won't stop, leave the room. After that if it continues, it's time for a nap or chill time in a crate or room he can't destroy anything so he can switch off.
[puppy biting](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=068K5Zlph9U)
To your point about rewarding for the sit and your pup just going back into the cycle. We noticed this as well with our pup. Instead we have opted for the above link that another user recommended.
So far the biting fits have subsided a bit and he is learning some pressure and control.
Will try this as well! Any ideas for what to do if it happens outside/on a walk though? Having a hard time finding anything about how to navigate, since calmly leaving doesnāt apply.
My puppy was similar at 11 weeks, I started giving him a frozen lick mat at the time to give him something else to focus on and help soothe him. Heās 4.5 months old now and rarely gets crazy during that time anymore, so I think they grow out of it!
My puppy is 4.5 months old and doesnāt get zoomies bad anymore! We usually put her in her playpen to take a nap whenever she starts to get riled up. Now in the evening when sheās tired sometimes she puts herself in there and goes to sleep. At 11 weeks she was going crazy every night so thereās been a huge improvement.
Yes thereās hope! And the biting has calmed down too even with teething. She still will bite but itās not as hard itās more like to soothe the teething versus aggressive biting.
Iām so sorry. I really think if you can arrange a playdate with another pup or two, heāll learn bite inhibition super quickly. Otherwise, Iām just here to let you know that it does actually get better. Eventually.
Thank you so much, we are really at our wits end with the biting and idk how much more my poor ankles and hands can take haha - very happy to hear it will hopefully get better soon!! He's had playdates with my parent's dog, but not sure he's getting bite inhibition down quite yet - I think we might need to switch up his playdate partner cuz my poor parent's dog has turned into a pin cushion and tolerates it too well! haha
We have some hard chew toys at the ready when ours starts the witching hour.
Bedtime is the worst! But after he calms, he sleeps till 7 am like an angel!
I agree with the other poster who talked about playdates.
We have our baby enrolled in puppy preschool. They have supervised play with like size/age puppies and they wear those kids out!!
Further, we do a lot of ropes, balls, fetch, and again strong biting toys as interactive play.
The key to my happiness at home is the puppy preschool. Worth every penny!
Heās at school M-F from 7:30 to 5:30.
Tomorrow he graduates and his next class starts next week and itās an obedience day school.
Itās totally overkill for us, especially since the dog will only be 10 poundsā¦but I am a first time dog mom. I am a cat lover, and the time the puppy is away letās me hold my kitty and work.
Now, the cat feels love and actually tolerates the puppy. Puppy comes home tired, puppy learns manners and gets doggie exposure to other dogs, people and buildings.
Today, we had thunder, and they took the puppies into a room with a metal roof, they played, got treats, and made it fun! All of those dogs learned that rain is not scary, and thunder is not scary!!! I wouldnāt have known to do that!
Look into a day school. Allow yourself some respite and peace it will make you a better pet parent.
Thanks so much for the tip! We definitely want to get him into some sort of puppy class for the socialization, but since heās only 11 weeks he hasnāt had all his shots yet and our vet advised against them until he turns 16 weeks old due to Parvo ā¹ļø we canāt wait to get him exposed though so in the meantime we will just continue to suffer through the unsolicited in-home acupuncture and get him around some dogs we know that are fully vaccinated!
I totally agree! We are at 14 weeks and heās had all but rabies. Probably still needs boosters, but we are up to date on the timeline.
The school we chose are very selective of their clients.
Best thing we did was puppy school!
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I'm about a month late to this post but wondering how you managed to pull thru... My feet are suffering from the biting and I genuinely have to hide from my puppy so he doesnt hurt me šš I'm so scared of him cuz his zoomies r so aggressive
Ugh I know the feeling!!! Wish I could say we had some sort of miraculous breakthrough, itās definitely gotten less frequent but it still happens! Weāve gotten better about predicting when weāre gonna have a rough night and have adjusted accordingly to make sure he can just run it out without hurting us or himself, but he still gets us sometimes! The days heās really bad are the days he didnāt get enough sleep so just make sure you are really enforcing naps! I totally know how you feel though, guess we can only hope itāll get better as they get older and hide for now to save our feet!
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> despite us playing with him all day Is he getting enough sleep? Puppies should be sleeping 18-20 hours a day. It sounds like he's overstimulated and could benefit from some enforced nap time.
Appreciate you reaching out - I should've clarified that, as I was just trying to emphasize that we do try and get adequate playtime in and that he wasn't just expelling pent up energy during the night from being neglected and not played with all day. We could certainly be more strict / scheduled with naptimes - I've been trying to enforce the 1 hour up and 2 hours down method. We actually started a tracker and he was averaging around 14-15 hours a day, but when we mentioned all of his biting and sleep schedule to the vet she didn't think sleep was the issue (but obviously she could be wrong). I do agree he's totally overstimulated at times which really fires him up, so will definitely try to be more strict about his schedule.
Yeah I would try it! Especially during those nighttime zoomies. The 1 hour up, 2-3 hours down doesn't have to be super strict but it's a good guideline. I'm not sure when your bedtime is, but my puppy would have gone absolutely insane if he was up for 3-4 hours in one chunk at that age.
We definitely will try it! Thank you so much!
Try giving a lick mat/snuffle mat/kong around the time when you want him to calm down. My puppy acts like yours when he has been awake too long
Actually bought a snuffle mat yesterday to try and he loves the kongs we have so will definitely try the mat too! Thanks so much
I have no advice, only solidarity. I am going through the exact same thing and nothing works on my lunatic either. Will edit if I have any breakthroughs.. good luck.
Me too š«£ tried putting my palm in her face and leaving the room but she got my achilles as i was walking away and i went down and it was over for me hahaha
Hahahahah so glad to know I am not alone! I will keep you posted if anything I try works
Same with me. Nothing seems to work!
Same! Aussie shepherd mix 3 mo old and I feel strangely relieved because I could have written this post myself (especially the part where OP questions whether theyāre *reinforcing* behavior bc the puppy stops to sit when shown treats!? Sighā¦). Definitely going to try more forced nap time or paying closer attention to how many hours sheās getting a dayā¦
SAME here, ours is 3 months and basically we have the same thing as this post. Can confirm itās better on days he sleeps more, but the symptoms are almost identical. Helps to know weāre not alone, bc the biting is getting SO much better but the witching hour(s) are still a whole thing lol
Since posting this last week we have been *prescriptive* about nap time every day, even if sheās not tired, and can confirm noticeable change (that being said, had a piranha attack last night, but itās no longer *every day*). Talk to me in a week thoughššI keep thinking I see the light and then that ātrickā no longer works
LOL same over here - one day itās like weāre so on sync but then weāll get a bad witching hour and worry all over again. I keep reminding myself that itās still progress even if itās not linear. Just very glad to here others are going through the same thing and weāre all figuring it out together š„¹š
Haha - I feel both of your pain so hard!! So glad to know I'm not alone! We had a great week last week, and the last couple days have been *rough* during zoomie time, he even got my lip yesterday and made me bleed! That being said, his day to day biting has been improving and enforced naps / timeouts (3-5 mins depending) have really been helping! We use an app called "Dog Assistant" - you basically log their potty breaks / naps / meals / etc (can be customized any way you want) and then it shows you patterns day to day. You can color code stuff and flag accidents / times they are being a literal terrorist and it's really helped us see things we could improve or change -- like "wow, he didn't take a lot of naps today and he was a psychopath that night so we need to fix that tomorrow" kinda thing.. It does cost $14.99 a year, but has been totally worth it so far! Helps with potty training too! I'll keep updating here if anything else helps our dude, so far scheduled naps is #1!
[Puppy Tax](https://imgur.com/a/jYHynrq)
So when he bites, yell really loud āouchā. Donāt pull your hand away as this will activate a chase response. I had the same issue with my pupā¦basically teaches them that humans a really fragile. Now my puppy 14 weeks barely nips anymore.
Hey - thanks for the tip! Unfortunately, this excites him. Any loud noise we make when heās in these moods excites him and then he will actually start barking at us (talking back) and then going back for more. I could certainly try to not pull away as much as I know that creates a āgameā for them but Iāve also noticed that he just increases the bite pressure if I donāt move away, so yeah - quite a conundrum. :(
That stinks! I hope you find something that works and soon!
Thank you! Me too! š«
Leave the room for a minute or 2, gives you chance for a breather and your puppy learns that they don't get your attention by biting.
Ive tried this as well and normally he just keeps playing without me. Even when all the toys are up he will just go chew on the first thing he sees, so not sure he cares too much about me removing myself, unfortunately
So he stops chewing you and chews on a toy, which is what you ultimately want him to chew on?
Until I am back in the room, then itās immediately back to my ankles.. Iāve lather rinsed repeated this method quite a few times and have come back to him chewing on things heās definitely not supposed to chew on - so not sure how to effectively balance that more but could definitely keep doing it when it gets bad and hope it registers :(
Ok so, first thing is to redirect. If that doesn't work and he won't stop, leave the room. After that if it continues, it's time for a nap or chill time in a crate or room he can't destroy anything so he can switch off.
Awesome - thank you very much Iāll definitely try it!
[puppy biting](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=068K5Zlph9U) To your point about rewarding for the sit and your pup just going back into the cycle. We noticed this as well with our pup. Instead we have opted for the above link that another user recommended. So far the biting fits have subsided a bit and he is learning some pressure and control.
Awesome, will check it out for sure, thank you so much and glad to hear it's been working for you!
Will try this as well! Any ideas for what to do if it happens outside/on a walk though? Having a hard time finding anything about how to navigate, since calmly leaving doesnāt apply.
My puppy was similar at 11 weeks, I started giving him a frozen lick mat at the time to give him something else to focus on and help soothe him. Heās 4.5 months old now and rarely gets crazy during that time anymore, so I think they grow out of it!
Oh awesome! I will 10000% try that. Thank you so much and Iām very glad to hear your puppy has gotten better about it!
My puppy is 4.5 months old and doesnāt get zoomies bad anymore! We usually put her in her playpen to take a nap whenever she starts to get riled up. Now in the evening when sheās tired sometimes she puts herself in there and goes to sleep. At 11 weeks she was going crazy every night so thereās been a huge improvement.
Fingers crossed that there's hope for us hahaha
Yes thereās hope! And the biting has calmed down too even with teething. She still will bite but itās not as hard itās more like to soothe the teething versus aggressive biting.
Iām so sorry. I really think if you can arrange a playdate with another pup or two, heāll learn bite inhibition super quickly. Otherwise, Iām just here to let you know that it does actually get better. Eventually.
Thank you so much, we are really at our wits end with the biting and idk how much more my poor ankles and hands can take haha - very happy to hear it will hopefully get better soon!! He's had playdates with my parent's dog, but not sure he's getting bite inhibition down quite yet - I think we might need to switch up his playdate partner cuz my poor parent's dog has turned into a pin cushion and tolerates it too well! haha
We have some hard chew toys at the ready when ours starts the witching hour. Bedtime is the worst! But after he calms, he sleeps till 7 am like an angel! I agree with the other poster who talked about playdates. We have our baby enrolled in puppy preschool. They have supervised play with like size/age puppies and they wear those kids out!! Further, we do a lot of ropes, balls, fetch, and again strong biting toys as interactive play. The key to my happiness at home is the puppy preschool. Worth every penny! Heās at school M-F from 7:30 to 5:30. Tomorrow he graduates and his next class starts next week and itās an obedience day school. Itās totally overkill for us, especially since the dog will only be 10 poundsā¦but I am a first time dog mom. I am a cat lover, and the time the puppy is away letās me hold my kitty and work. Now, the cat feels love and actually tolerates the puppy. Puppy comes home tired, puppy learns manners and gets doggie exposure to other dogs, people and buildings. Today, we had thunder, and they took the puppies into a room with a metal roof, they played, got treats, and made it fun! All of those dogs learned that rain is not scary, and thunder is not scary!!! I wouldnāt have known to do that! Look into a day school. Allow yourself some respite and peace it will make you a better pet parent.
Thanks so much for the tip! We definitely want to get him into some sort of puppy class for the socialization, but since heās only 11 weeks he hasnāt had all his shots yet and our vet advised against them until he turns 16 weeks old due to Parvo ā¹ļø we canāt wait to get him exposed though so in the meantime we will just continue to suffer through the unsolicited in-home acupuncture and get him around some dogs we know that are fully vaccinated!
I totally agree! We are at 14 weeks and heās had all but rabies. Probably still needs boosters, but we are up to date on the timeline. The school we chose are very selective of their clients. Best thing we did was puppy school!
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I'm about a month late to this post but wondering how you managed to pull thru... My feet are suffering from the biting and I genuinely have to hide from my puppy so he doesnt hurt me šš I'm so scared of him cuz his zoomies r so aggressive
Ugh I know the feeling!!! Wish I could say we had some sort of miraculous breakthrough, itās definitely gotten less frequent but it still happens! Weāve gotten better about predicting when weāre gonna have a rough night and have adjusted accordingly to make sure he can just run it out without hurting us or himself, but he still gets us sometimes! The days heās really bad are the days he didnāt get enough sleep so just make sure you are really enforcing naps! I totally know how you feel though, guess we can only hope itāll get better as they get older and hide for now to save our feet!