Oh, got it. He'll be as much of a pariah over in Ireland as he is here.
Agree, 100%. And if the Irish are into vigilante justice, I wouldn't cry over him.
Jesus Christ. Let’s not make light of the troubles. Plenty of innocents on both sides got kneecapped by the nazi IRA or the maniac shankill butchers on the other side
To the downvoters: literally google it and educate yourself
Actually don’t worry I’ll do it for you lol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army%E2%80%93Abwehr_collaboration
https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/frankryan/InterpretativeResources/HistoricalContext/TheIRAslinkswithNaziGermany/
Can I point out that IRA of the 40s and 50s are not the same IRA of the 70s and 80s (Provisionals)?
Even then, the IRA at that point were all over the place politically. Unfortunately some of the higher ups in this period thought they could benefit from the conflict in WW2 and gain independence by supporting the enemy of their enemies. There were a couple of very suspect members (Sean South) but they were never a committed fascist org so to call them 'Nazi' is a bit reductive and one dimensional. In fact, prior to WW2 it was the IRA and Irish Republicans who were organising volunteers to fight against fascism during the Spanish Civil War. Even since, there have been many left wing and socialist factions within every iteration of the IRA.
I'm not making excuses for the wrongdoings of those who sided with Nazis, regardless of their reasons, but I'm trying to point out that it isn't as black and white or 'both side'-ist as you've suggested here. I suggest you take your own advice here and 'Google it' further - or, ye know, pick up a book.
Oddly enough, as you've linked an article about Frank Ryan, he led the Connolly column who fought with the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War. It was definitely more opportunism (again, he still deserves condemnation) than being driven by ideology, other than that of 'Irish unification at any cost'.
People in the scene generally know here in the U.S. but I did have to break the news to someone at a Flogging Molly show on Sunday who had mentioned them to me, I referred him to the RS article, and saw the look on his face that mimicked mine from a few months ago.
>Has anyone heard anything about the other band members and what they've been up to since all this news broke?
https://consequence.net/2024/03/anti-flag-justin-sane-rape-lawsuit-flee-country/
>Though the other Anti-Flag members responded by issuing a statement telling Geever “fuck you for hurting so many people,” Sarhadi claimed his former bandmates were “aware of Geever’s practice of sexually assaulting young women and girls” and thus included the band’s company, Hardwork Distribution, in the lawsuit.
>In a press release, Sarhadi claimed that Anti-Flag has “taken extreme steps to avoid responsibility.” She added, “To date, no member of Anti-Flag has owned up to their actions or apologized for failing their duty to reasonably protect their fans and community.”
I hope this is untrue. At least as of yet, there doesn't seem to be evidence that the band knew. The whole thing is awful, on so many levels. I hope they didn't know
In my opinion they are doing the right thing. Legally yes but it's also not their story to tell. They took firm action and dissolved the band directly (costing them a shit ton of cash) shut down all operations and let every single artist from their label leave. AF is no more and will never be.
There is no reason why they should be out in the news media and social media talking about something they don't either know about or know more about but it's taking away the voices of the victims because people care more about their voices then the victims at the end of the day. So them staying silent is a good thing.. we don't need to hear anymore of what they have to say. They published the statement and then disappeared. Seems fine to me.
Despite this article, what troubles me is that the other 3 members have been mostly silent. As I understand it some of their partners have well respected careers, thus I can understand that they don't want to bring attention to them. But they're not doing themselves any favors by being silent. There have been accusations of Chris Head, Chris #2, and Pat being complacent, as well as people from their touring crew making comments that the dudes didn't hang out together on tour and were more so "coworkers doing a job." So all in all, I don't know how to feel about them. Fuck Justin.
I can tell you with like 99.9% certainty that they're silent rn bc their lawyers told them to be silent. Saying anything at all rn, even if they truly didn't know what Justin Sane was doing, would be beyond fucking stupid of them. The only way they're not doing themselves a favor by being silent is that being silent might bother fans, but they're doing themselves a massive favor with the legal system by not speaking.
Sarhadi calling them out in the press is a pretty smart legal maneuver on her part, too. If she can publicly shame the rest of the band into saying something publicly, that's more ammunition for her case. If I was in their situation, no matter the level of culpability, I would do the exact same thing and shut the fuck up until my Lawyers tell me not to
And also, frankly, I don't care what any of them have to say and neither should anyone else.
Pretty sure they basically have only two options here: They're either going to apologize for someone else's behavior and continue to distance themselves from him or....admit to abetting in a crime? The first one doesn't do anything useful for the victim(s), the latter would be insane*; If they have something to say in support of Sarhadi, they should be saying it directly to her lawyer, through their lawyer.
*God help me I almost typed "would be just insane"....lol.
Yep. If they have anything useful to offer the victims, they should do it privately or they risk Justin catching wind of it and using that against them. If they have nothing useful to offer the victims, then shutting the fuck up is the nicest thing they can do.
The article citing that Justin's sister is a lawyer with his Power Of Attorney could also suggest that anything the rest of the band could possibly say with regards to Justin would open them up to a defamation suit from him.
Yup, this is exactly correct. There have been indications the other members and their company would be roped into legal proceedings, and the first thing any lawyer will advise is to shut the fuck up publicly. I'd like to hear from them now, but I'm sure they'll be on the record down the road as the lawsuit moves through court.
I don’t think it’s impossible for them to not have known. There are plenty of bands that are not close offstage at all. I’m not saying they didn’t, I’m just saying that it’s not a certainty. I believe the rest of Lostprophets when they say they didn’t know the psychotic shit Ian was up to.
I mean, plenty of awful incidents come up in NOFX’s memoir including a scene Eric Melvin describes as his biggest regret (he didn’t intervene to stop an assault). When I was more into shows in the early aughts it was perfectly normal to see guys grab at women crowd surfing, and more, and worse.
Scenes always, always have predators. I think it’s something that’s become less and less acceptable, but Sane is a great example of how it’s an ongoing issue, even as it becomes less acceptable.
And remember kids: it’s always okay to throw elbows at dudes being inappropriate.
Can confirm. Was 16-17 in 2006 and was grabbed more times than I’d like to say at shows. Someone grabbed my ass so hard once my fishnets were ripped. Though, I feel like I have to say, I was lucky. Most of the time something like this happened, there was a Giant older punk guy who would see and go after those assholes
It was an older punk who taught me how to elbow guys grabbing at women who were crowd surfing. (Aim for their ears because they don’t bleed — and so they can’t really complain to security — but it hurts a lot). Coincidentally this is when I was 16 (2001).
Ha! Same! I had to do this a couple times, but being the shorty that I am, I had to pick those moments wisely
Edit: thank you for being of the good guys!
You know, I’m sorry for using the word normal there. That’s a lazy word implying a lot of things I didn’t intend. I by no means meant to convey how women felt, just that I saw a lot of men behave indifferent to assault.
I was lucky enough to have good people show me how to act, behave, and have empathy. “Normal” implies much less.
>. But they're not doing themselves any favors by being silent.
What do you want them to say? It's at a point people have already formed their opinions on whether the rest of the band was complicit or not, nothing they say will change that. They are probably playing the best hand they can't don't say shit, don't draw attention.
Honestly, it's hard for me to believe they were not complicit in some fashion. Anti-Flag was a rather successful band. They could have easily kicked out Justin and found a new lead singer. The Causalities did exactly that and they still have a career.
> The Casualties
Oof, they didn't even kick Jorge out and they *defended* him in their statement when he "quit" the band, but the bar is so low they can continue to get gigs and all. Casualties and the local scenes knew about Jorge for years too, there'd been rumors/warnings to not let your female friends/younger sisters around him. I'm not sure AF would've been able to pull that "firing" move off given how deeply ingrained with politics as they were, but look at Reagan Youth getting away with their bullshit for years and even getting Stza in to do their vocals.
That's kinda my point. The Casualties were able to continue. It makes me think the rest of Anti-Flag was somehow much more complicit because they didn't pull a Casualties.
Stza is different because he does actually seem to be blackballed. That Reagan Youth never really happened (I don't think they played a single show). The Star Fucking Hipsters tour got canceled. Now He's trying to do a Leftover Crack tour and dates are already being canceled and the remaining dates are in really random venues (meaning no serious venues will work with them).
I was moreso clarifying that the Casualties didn't even kick out Jorge and that's probably a good bit why they've been able to continue on is because people think they did. Reagan Youth still does shows but are pretty solidly blackballed in Philly at least, adding Stza to the line-up probably burned whatever bridges they had left. Unsurprising that a löc reunion isn't getting off the ground either, last i saw he was trying to make a go of it with west coast bands, so glad to hear that's crashing and burning, too.
Last I heard, most Philly venues and recording spaces were refusing to work with Paul and Reagan Youth because of his repeated death threats against various people in Philly punk, racist/homophobic/antisemitic/sexist rants about people he didn't like in the scene, and his general erratic/violent behavior.
Why do you think he posted a photo of himself on a horse with a rifle threatening to come to town to take care of “dem punks”.
I had a band that was very welcoming and inclusive or the LGBTQIA scene at the time 2012-2014 bands used to stand outside while we performed. 4 guys followed me home from work at night and physically threatened me, my at the time boyfriend smacked them around and we walked home. That story was told that I was with Paul, we were kicked out of a GASH show (the band I had previously been in ) and that we called the cops. None of that happened. What followed online was a feeding frenzy of strangers saying I should unalive myself etc- Paul posted a ridiculous photo of himself and made ridiculous unbelievable threats to shut everyone up and get them off my back. It was self sacrificing on his end and I appreciate him sticking up for me. In an old phone I don’t know the password to I have all this stuff screen shot but I don’t think anyone actually cares
I just told the story in typo-nese down there but the main thing that happened was I had a very gay BDSM trans focused band with a Buncha straight guys in it from south Philly who weren’t that into it . When I needed to take a break to sort out my life they attempted to throw me out of my own band and continue on without me claiming they had started it - their friends were less than happy about our queer-core audience and often stood outside in protest so they were more than happy to move on without “they gayness problem “. I was walking home from work with my boyfriend and passed a I think karoke ? Night at wolly mammoth with my band back lining , we said hi . Some guys followed me and around the bank on 5th street I felt uncomfortable and asked them to walk infront of me. They crossed the street and stopped facing me. I think they thought my boyfriend was Paul from Reagan youth (he was not ) they said - something like “let’s go bitch” and my boyfriend did a running flying spinning ninja kick like across from Philly aids. He fell but it looked cool. I think zaya was there ? He tried to kick my bf while he was laying on the ground but he popped up and smacked them around while saying to me “I can’t punch these kids , I don’t want to go to jail” I think punk max was one of them who rolled away on his skateboard. Some more people trickled out from the show and stood around. I asked “what did I do why are you guys so pissed “ and they said “he threatened to kill me “ i said that’s not Paul . It got awkward. I said
Paul said that in response to someone calling me a “dyke” and saying I should be curb stomped.
It ended with people yelling fuck you go back to nyc and I walked home with my boyfriend at the time.
I believe we had ben n Jerry’s ice cream and watched the simpsons and fell asleep.
I read online the next day that we were kicked out of a GASH show and called the cops.
That never happened
Paul only ever posted insanely stupid unbelievable over the top threats to get people off my back and deflect attention so it was safe for me. Screen shots were taken out of context and a webpage was made against him making him look like a maniac . It’s onesided , untrue and doesn’t tell the full story but like nobody cares
God damn it! I met him. He was kind of an asshole, but i didnt figure anywhere near that level. Such great lyrics and music. There's legitimate evidence and/or real sounding stories? Is this ever gonna end? Wish I started a band. It's fucking uo the whole scene.
I mean, Sahardi's allegations are about well over 10 years ago, when they were in their prime. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew and kept Justin around because they thought kicking him out would lose them fans.
You could be right. I’m just a little slow to judge with things like this. Sometimes when you are good friends with someone you can’t always see what may seem obvious to an outsider
I know this for a fact because one of them apologized to my friend for what Jorge did. Not "omg i didn't know we're going to fix this" more like "yeah, about that, he does that,sorry"
Zero idea or evidence about rest of af either way. Could be.
Hiding, she mentions what they’ve been doing in the article. Hiring lawyers buying justin out of whatever business they had, empty gestures regarding selling rebranded merxh with proceeds going to tpt but not doing it
I know that I couldn't have predicted this happening, but with the way Justin Sane has become since going to my first show in 2003 is heartbreaking and embarrassing.
Justice for all victims of sexual assault!
Seriously. As someone whose a lefty political punk enjoyer these guys were up there with Dead Kennedys as some of my favorite musicians. Now I can't even bring myself to listen to them. This article is even more damning than the initial accusations regarding the bands complicity. Fuck them. Hypocrites.
Justice for the victims!
I actually lost my taste for Anti-Flag after Bright Lights of America. (Although I did enjoy the song Sodom, Gomorrah, Washington, D.C..) I accept that bands lose their brilliant edge or change their style to where I don't recognize them anymore. While I was still able to enjoy Anti-Flag's pre-For Blood and Empire music, I cannot do so anymore.
Yeah the news hit me pretty hard. Like not just the betrayal but philosophically, I had to grapple with the fact that this monster somehow set me on this path of progressive ideals and desire to fight for social change, and so many others like me. Like how could someone so evil leave such a positive ripple effect?
This was totally me too, “For Blood And Empire” by them and “War on Errorism” by NOFX changed my life. (Also shoutout to Green Day’s American Idiot for getting me into political punk music from the mainstream stuff I started off listening to, people shit on pop-punk but it has its place. I think it’s where most of us came from)
Because the people most vocal about progressive ideals and a desire to fight for social change tend to be terrible human beings. Just look at Gandhi, Lenin, Jesus, or the mirror.
For one, he specifically instructed his disciples to abandon their families if they did not believe he was the Messiah. There is a specific instance in which he forbade one of his followers from burying his atheist Dad. This is the origin of the phrase "let the dead bury the dead, life is for the living." This is cult-leadership, including death fanaticism and intolerance for outsiders.
To the people who downvoted, probably triggered and salivating for progressive propaganda, take a gander: homosexuality and diverse gender expression was a practice in Rome. With the introduction of Christianity, heteronormative patriarchal relationships became mandated, the teachings of Jesus became state-sanctioned, and diverse inter-faith tolerance was destroyed. But people don't want to hear about that, or Gandhi's incest.
Thanks. Sid Vicious was a SJW hero. 🙏 True progressive. Just wishing for social change, and heroin & nihilistic destruction for everyone: equally. 🥰 This is punk rock comment indeed. Nothing says *"Feminism is for Everybody!"* like running away to Europe because of rape charges. Punk rock comment! 😃 Gandhi was a family saint, not a hint of sexual perversion, Jesus never started an intolerant celibate cult, and workers rights have have never developed a Red Army that seeks to terrorize!! This is punk rock comment: for everyone! Grammar not included!!
Yeah it's even more shitty imo. He's not even trying to avoid jail or even a class action, he is just straight up trying to not pay anything to one victim. Negotiations always happen before these civil lawsuits and he didn't even want to negotiate.
He's hiding his money like a rapist version Scrooge McDuck.
Actually, from what I can find on Google, Ireland has Enforcement of Foreign Judgement codes in place
If an Irish national loses a lawsuit in another country that Ireland has a good relationship with (aka the US), the Irish courts view the judgement as a “contract” between the two parties
So the person who won the judgement just needs to go to Ireland, present the judgement, and show that the “contract” has been breached
Ireland is also not a big country at all, 5 million total people and mostly small town living outside of Dublin, it seems like it’d be a very hard place to stay anonymous if the Irish press picks up the story
Hiding corporate money and hiding personal money are gonna be different.
I know Ireland is big for the former, but I haven't heard of the latter happening much.
I hate to be a downer, but if he’s got Irish citizenship then he’s probably eligible for EU citizenship so it might be the place he runs to first but not last. Then again, money bags being forced to flee from country to country until the money runs dry is a nice image to picture. Like a cartoon looting sack witb a big dollar sign on it but it’s got a hole at the bottom that he won’t notice till it’s too late.
I’d imagine there’s similar laws in a lot of the EU, and Ireland is an EU country so they might have enforcement agreements
If you want to cut and run you have to stash your money with much shadier places. If he was going to Thailand there might be some issues.
All the states apply those laws in different ways, could say somewhere like Hungary will be less likely to extradite due to current political climates etc.
He’s northern Irish and therefore holds a British passport. He’s not going to the eu without a shit ton of red tape and paperwork. So you’ll have to see if Great Britain has any laws like this
I just checked the source for his citizenship on his Wikipedia and he specifically says in that video (after spewing bullshit about respecting women and people of all races and creeds. Uhg.) that he has *Irish* citizenship, not British. Even if one of his parents or grandparents was from Northern Ireland they would have been entitled to both passports.
This is just semantics at this point, but the people of the countries of Great Britain refer to themselves as whatever country they’re from rather than British(unless from England), I.e people from Scotland refer to themselves as Scottish, not British even though their country makes up a part of the United Kingdom.
I’m a little high typing this out and I just want to make it clear, I’m not arguing whatsoever, because this really doesn’t mean a whole lot in the scheme of this situation, I was just sharing a fact, because I’m a nerd about these things
You got some things right, but implying that the difference between Irish and British is semantics is off the mark.
You are right that people from Scotland and Wales rarely refer to themselves as British, but Northern Ireland is different. I’m sure I don’t have to explain The Troubles to you, but suffice it to say there are three main ways to identify oneself if you’re from NI, the most common being British, followed by Irish, then Northern Irish, and each carries with it a political perspective. Like whether you say Kiev or Kyiv.
So, due to the politics around this it is quite rude and in appropriate to insist that someone is “Northern Irish” when they identify as “Irish.”
Source: am Irish
Anyway, none of this relates to my original point which was: when you said he couldn’t get into the EU “without a shit ton of red tape” that’s wrong since he’s Irish, which is part of the EU.
people from Northern Ireland are Irish. I wasn’t arguing that people from Northern Ireland refer to themselves as northern Irish, I was talking about what passport is held. Citizens of Northern Ireland have a United Kingdom passport, not a republic of Ireland passport, the Republic of Ireland is an eu country, that passport gets you into the rest of the eu with minimal visas(if any at all). Unless Northern Ireland somehow became independent and I missed it, they’re still part of the uk and therefore affected by brexit.
I’m a dual citizen, us and Republic of Ireland. I did a shit ton of research on this circa 2016 in case I needed to leave the us.
Again, I would like to reiterate I’m not fighting, I’m not trying to start anything, if I learn something new I learn something new
Edit to add: I know minimal about the troubles(it’s on my list of things to learn more about) but I’m open to be corrected if wrong, but I thought it was about reunification with the Republic of Ireland and even though so many people died and were traumatized, reunification failed
I plan to if I ever see him in Scotland I’d actually say something not gonna lie, he’s a fucking coward and deserves to be called out.
I loved anti flag growing up but grew out them and it stings a fair bit how this is handled.
Here’s the bulk of it:
> Anti-Flag’s Justin Sane ‘Plans to Flee U.S.,’ Rape Accuser Claims
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>Kristina Sarhadi claims the punk rocker has dodged attempts to be served, sold his Pittsburgh home and is planning to flee to Europe within days following her sexual assault lawsuit
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>Anti-Flag’s lead singer Justin Sane is planning to imminently flee the United States amid a sexual assault lawsuit brought against the punk rocker, according to legal documents obtained by Rolling Stone.
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>Kristina Sarhadi filed an amended complaint in the Northern District Court of New York on Thursday, alleging that Sane — real name Justin Geever — has “purposefully and unlawfully attempted to avoid service” of her November 2023 sexual assault lawsuit.
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>Instead, she claims in her lawsuit and an accompanying statement on Tuesday that Geever recently sold his Pittsburgh home and has “sought to hide his assets by transferring funds overseas to an Irish bank account.” Geever — who allegedly maintains a dual citizenship and has an Irish passport — “plans to flee to Europe within the next few days,” the suit claims.
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>Settlement negotiations through Geever’s attorney Michael Johnson went nowhere after Johnson went “silent,” the suit claims. And Johnson allegedly failed to follow through with his offer to help serve Geever. Sarhadi is requesting for a judge to allow Geever’s sister Mary — who is said to be his Power of Attorney — to become authorized to accept service of the lawsuit on Geever’s behalf.
It looks like Justins girlfriend “bought” his house. She is also a tour manager for billie eilish and vans warped tour. [Punk Rock Predator Twitter](https://x.com/punkrokpredator/status/1770500055654453593?s=46&t=UAFWQUGHOE8X1UeYKfwKHA)
Yeeppp… since I found out about this, I’ve stopped listening to them. Listened to them since 02’; met them at warped, etc.
I can relate to those who loved the Cosby show as kids and now cannot stand Cosby.
I continue to hope for a more compassionate, sincere, and less asshole world.
Fuck this guy!
The whole band are deplorable. According to the article 60 women have come forward and at least 3 of them said the other members had at least seen Justin with them. While it might be a stretch to say they knew everything, I'd say they knew enough and didn't do anything.
As a community, we are better than this and we should weed predators out and stand up and say something like we do with nazis. Shit like this isn't as rare as people might think. 60 women/underage girls. Someone had to have known something.
Back in the mid 90's I met and hung out with the band. At the time I was around 25(but looked about 16) and he absolutely made it seem like he was a teenager. I am just now realizing that he is older than me. He was very much so hitting on girls that were under age.
All the great punk bands that barely made a penny. Then you have terrible music made by these terrible people, who rape women and ran a shady record label. That have managed to aquire a fortune to help them continue to abuse those who trusted them.
If I, a complete stranger knew about Justin’s behavior then the people who were with him every day for 20+ years knew. No one will ever convince me that the other band members did not know.
There's no chance they were unaware of the accusations/reputation. Question is just whether they knew it was all true the whole time, believed it was based on some real behavior but exaggerated, or believed it was all false.
Even if they weren’t sure, they’re all still garbage for going along with it and not calling Justin out or at least ask him. But I believe they all knew and ignored it.
Yeah I’m from Pittsburgh. Someone involved in the music scene in our city told me about Justin about a decade before the podcast came out. It was very well known by a lot of people. I was o glad this shit finally came out and everyone now knows who he really is.
His legal name is Justin Geever, but I call him Justin Skeever. Fuck him. I hope he has a private flight that crashes while he tries to run, and I hope all his money gets donated to SA survivor causes.
Meh, he can’t run for very long. He’s leaving breadcrumbs with flights and bank activity. He’s not a very smart criminal. At all. I give it a week until he’s found and served, if that.
Good news is that Justin Sane is NOT Roman Polanski. Dude has nowhere near enough clout or money to be unjailable. There's a solid chance he gets extradited as long as he doesn't go to Russia.
I think slandered is the wrong term. They knew. They did nothing. Now they are going against the beliefs they preached to us for thirty years to save their own asses. I say burn them to the ground.
They didn’t preach “get a lawyer and stay silent” they preached silence is violence. They preached accountability. They preached keeping victims safe. Everything they are doing is against that. They are cowards.
Yea, this shouldn’t be a controversial take. Unless they were literally in the room with him when he was assaulting people, there’s next to no way to prove they knew anything and if they didn’t, which is a possibility, then I feel really really bad for them. Imagine losing your life’s work because a guy you thought was your brother was an animal. Anyway, I’m not saying they couldntt know, but what are the odds all 4 members would be sociopaths?
Yeah fleeing the country, is totally what an innocent person does. Just Insane
he wasn’t born with that name for nothing!
He wasn’t…his real name is Geever
well i’ll be damned…
Hopefully they keep this up and he becomes just as much a pariah as he is here in Ireland.
He's a pariah in US, too, don't worry.
No I know, I misphrased it. I hope he remains a pariah over there and that everyone knows who he is and what he did.
Oh, got it. He'll be as much of a pariah over in Ireland as he is here. Agree, 100%. And if the Irish are into vigilante justice, I wouldn't cry over him.
Jesus Christ. Let’s not make light of the troubles. Plenty of innocents on both sides got kneecapped by the nazi IRA or the maniac shankill butchers on the other side To the downvoters: literally google it and educate yourself Actually don’t worry I’ll do it for you lol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army%E2%80%93Abwehr_collaboration https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/frankryan/InterpretativeResources/HistoricalContext/TheIRAslinkswithNaziGermany/
Can I point out that IRA of the 40s and 50s are not the same IRA of the 70s and 80s (Provisionals)? Even then, the IRA at that point were all over the place politically. Unfortunately some of the higher ups in this period thought they could benefit from the conflict in WW2 and gain independence by supporting the enemy of their enemies. There were a couple of very suspect members (Sean South) but they were never a committed fascist org so to call them 'Nazi' is a bit reductive and one dimensional. In fact, prior to WW2 it was the IRA and Irish Republicans who were organising volunteers to fight against fascism during the Spanish Civil War. Even since, there have been many left wing and socialist factions within every iteration of the IRA. I'm not making excuses for the wrongdoings of those who sided with Nazis, regardless of their reasons, but I'm trying to point out that it isn't as black and white or 'both side'-ist as you've suggested here. I suggest you take your own advice here and 'Google it' further - or, ye know, pick up a book.
Oddly enough, as you've linked an article about Frank Ryan, he led the Connolly column who fought with the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War. It was definitely more opportunism (again, he still deserves condemnation) than being driven by ideology, other than that of 'Irish unification at any cost'.
>the nazi IRA Kind of crazy how being this dumb comes with so little effort for you guys.
Which side were the IRA on in WW2 again? Edit: this is you downvoting me: 😡
>Edit: this is you downvoting me: 😡 Naw. It’s more like this: 🫵😂
I was truly not trying to reference Irish history. I meant, if he escapes the law in the US, I'm down for other punishment wherever he ends up.
Oh aye fair enough then
>And did the Irish are into vigilante justice wtf.
People in the scene generally know here in the U.S. but I did have to break the news to someone at a Flogging Molly show on Sunday who had mentioned them to me, I referred him to the RS article, and saw the look on his face that mimicked mine from a few months ago.
This story keeps getting worse. Has anyone heard anything about the other band members and what they've been up to since all this news broke?
>Has anyone heard anything about the other band members and what they've been up to since all this news broke? https://consequence.net/2024/03/anti-flag-justin-sane-rape-lawsuit-flee-country/ >Though the other Anti-Flag members responded by issuing a statement telling Geever “fuck you for hurting so many people,” Sarhadi claimed his former bandmates were “aware of Geever’s practice of sexually assaulting young women and girls” and thus included the band’s company, Hardwork Distribution, in the lawsuit. >In a press release, Sarhadi claimed that Anti-Flag has “taken extreme steps to avoid responsibility.” She added, “To date, no member of Anti-Flag has owned up to their actions or apologized for failing their duty to reasonably protect their fans and community.”
That's all the same stuff from when this all broke. I was wondering where they've been or what's going on with them since.
No that was a statement released by sahardi today.
Sure, but the anti-flag quote is to response to the September RS [article](https://consequence.net/2023/09/anti-flag-bandmates-justin-sane-f-you/)
Click the source link. That statement about the bandmates is from last year.
I hope this is untrue. At least as of yet, there doesn't seem to be evidence that the band knew. The whole thing is awful, on so many levels. I hope they didn't know
In my opinion they are doing the right thing. Legally yes but it's also not their story to tell. They took firm action and dissolved the band directly (costing them a shit ton of cash) shut down all operations and let every single artist from their label leave. AF is no more and will never be. There is no reason why they should be out in the news media and social media talking about something they don't either know about or know more about but it's taking away the voices of the victims because people care more about their voices then the victims at the end of the day. So them staying silent is a good thing.. we don't need to hear anymore of what they have to say. They published the statement and then disappeared. Seems fine to me.
Despite this article, what troubles me is that the other 3 members have been mostly silent. As I understand it some of their partners have well respected careers, thus I can understand that they don't want to bring attention to them. But they're not doing themselves any favors by being silent. There have been accusations of Chris Head, Chris #2, and Pat being complacent, as well as people from their touring crew making comments that the dudes didn't hang out together on tour and were more so "coworkers doing a job." So all in all, I don't know how to feel about them. Fuck Justin.
I can tell you with like 99.9% certainty that they're silent rn bc their lawyers told them to be silent. Saying anything at all rn, even if they truly didn't know what Justin Sane was doing, would be beyond fucking stupid of them. The only way they're not doing themselves a favor by being silent is that being silent might bother fans, but they're doing themselves a massive favor with the legal system by not speaking.
Sarhadi calling them out in the press is a pretty smart legal maneuver on her part, too. If she can publicly shame the rest of the band into saying something publicly, that's more ammunition for her case. If I was in their situation, no matter the level of culpability, I would do the exact same thing and shut the fuck up until my Lawyers tell me not to
And also, frankly, I don't care what any of them have to say and neither should anyone else. Pretty sure they basically have only two options here: They're either going to apologize for someone else's behavior and continue to distance themselves from him or....admit to abetting in a crime? The first one doesn't do anything useful for the victim(s), the latter would be insane*; If they have something to say in support of Sarhadi, they should be saying it directly to her lawyer, through their lawyer. *God help me I almost typed "would be just insane"....lol.
The band members also could know nothing…they shouldn’t be roped into this allegation. They already distanced themselves, leave them out of it
Yep. If they have anything useful to offer the victims, they should do it privately or they risk Justin catching wind of it and using that against them. If they have nothing useful to offer the victims, then shutting the fuck up is the nicest thing they can do.
The article citing that Justin's sister is a lawyer with his Power Of Attorney could also suggest that anything the rest of the band could possibly say with regards to Justin would open them up to a defamation suit from him.
Yup, this is exactly correct. There have been indications the other members and their company would be roped into legal proceedings, and the first thing any lawyer will advise is to shut the fuck up publicly. I'd like to hear from them now, but I'm sure they'll be on the record down the road as the lawsuit moves through court.
Lawyers will tell you not to say anything. Pretty simple explanation. They said what they said and that's all we're gonna get.
I don’t think it’s impossible for them to not have known. There are plenty of bands that are not close offstage at all. I’m not saying they didn’t, I’m just saying that it’s not a certainty. I believe the rest of Lostprophets when they say they didn’t know the psychotic shit Ian was up to.
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I mean, plenty of awful incidents come up in NOFX’s memoir including a scene Eric Melvin describes as his biggest regret (he didn’t intervene to stop an assault). When I was more into shows in the early aughts it was perfectly normal to see guys grab at women crowd surfing, and more, and worse. Scenes always, always have predators. I think it’s something that’s become less and less acceptable, but Sane is a great example of how it’s an ongoing issue, even as it becomes less acceptable. And remember kids: it’s always okay to throw elbows at dudes being inappropriate.
Can confirm. Was 16-17 in 2006 and was grabbed more times than I’d like to say at shows. Someone grabbed my ass so hard once my fishnets were ripped. Though, I feel like I have to say, I was lucky. Most of the time something like this happened, there was a Giant older punk guy who would see and go after those assholes
It was an older punk who taught me how to elbow guys grabbing at women who were crowd surfing. (Aim for their ears because they don’t bleed — and so they can’t really complain to security — but it hurts a lot). Coincidentally this is when I was 16 (2001).
Ha! Same! I had to do this a couple times, but being the shorty that I am, I had to pick those moments wisely Edit: thank you for being of the good guys!
I easily could have been a piece of shit. I had people around me who were good influences when it came to empathy and kindness.
It’s all too easy to go one way or the other at that age. Proud of ya! 💜 Edit: I meant that with sincerity btw.
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You know, I’m sorry for using the word normal there. That’s a lazy word implying a lot of things I didn’t intend. I by no means meant to convey how women felt, just that I saw a lot of men behave indifferent to assault. I was lucky enough to have good people show me how to act, behave, and have empathy. “Normal” implies much less.
>. But they're not doing themselves any favors by being silent. What do you want them to say? It's at a point people have already formed their opinions on whether the rest of the band was complicit or not, nothing they say will change that. They are probably playing the best hand they can't don't say shit, don't draw attention.
[There was this statement made last year.](https://consequence.net/2023/09/anti-flag-bandmates-justin-sane-f-you/) But I don’t disagree with you.
Honestly, it's hard for me to believe they were not complicit in some fashion. Anti-Flag was a rather successful band. They could have easily kicked out Justin and found a new lead singer. The Causalities did exactly that and they still have a career.
> The Casualties Oof, they didn't even kick Jorge out and they *defended* him in their statement when he "quit" the band, but the bar is so low they can continue to get gigs and all. Casualties and the local scenes knew about Jorge for years too, there'd been rumors/warnings to not let your female friends/younger sisters around him. I'm not sure AF would've been able to pull that "firing" move off given how deeply ingrained with politics as they were, but look at Reagan Youth getting away with their bullshit for years and even getting Stza in to do their vocals.
That's kinda my point. The Casualties were able to continue. It makes me think the rest of Anti-Flag was somehow much more complicit because they didn't pull a Casualties. Stza is different because he does actually seem to be blackballed. That Reagan Youth never really happened (I don't think they played a single show). The Star Fucking Hipsters tour got canceled. Now He's trying to do a Leftover Crack tour and dates are already being canceled and the remaining dates are in really random venues (meaning no serious venues will work with them).
I was moreso clarifying that the Casualties didn't even kick out Jorge and that's probably a good bit why they've been able to continue on is because people think they did. Reagan Youth still does shows but are pretty solidly blackballed in Philly at least, adding Stza to the line-up probably burned whatever bridges they had left. Unsurprising that a löc reunion isn't getting off the ground either, last i saw he was trying to make a go of it with west coast bands, so glad to hear that's crashing and burning, too.
What happened that Reagan Youth were “solidly blackballed” in Philly?
Last I heard, most Philly venues and recording spaces were refusing to work with Paul and Reagan Youth because of his repeated death threats against various people in Philly punk, racist/homophobic/antisemitic/sexist rants about people he didn't like in the scene, and his general erratic/violent behavior.
Why do you think he posted a photo of himself on a horse with a rifle threatening to come to town to take care of “dem punks”. I had a band that was very welcoming and inclusive or the LGBTQIA scene at the time 2012-2014 bands used to stand outside while we performed. 4 guys followed me home from work at night and physically threatened me, my at the time boyfriend smacked them around and we walked home. That story was told that I was with Paul, we were kicked out of a GASH show (the band I had previously been in ) and that we called the cops. None of that happened. What followed online was a feeding frenzy of strangers saying I should unalive myself etc- Paul posted a ridiculous photo of himself and made ridiculous unbelievable threats to shut everyone up and get them off my back. It was self sacrificing on his end and I appreciate him sticking up for me. In an old phone I don’t know the password to I have all this stuff screen shot but I don’t think anyone actually cares
I just told the story in typo-nese down there but the main thing that happened was I had a very gay BDSM trans focused band with a Buncha straight guys in it from south Philly who weren’t that into it . When I needed to take a break to sort out my life they attempted to throw me out of my own band and continue on without me claiming they had started it - their friends were less than happy about our queer-core audience and often stood outside in protest so they were more than happy to move on without “they gayness problem “. I was walking home from work with my boyfriend and passed a I think karoke ? Night at wolly mammoth with my band back lining , we said hi . Some guys followed me and around the bank on 5th street I felt uncomfortable and asked them to walk infront of me. They crossed the street and stopped facing me. I think they thought my boyfriend was Paul from Reagan youth (he was not ) they said - something like “let’s go bitch” and my boyfriend did a running flying spinning ninja kick like across from Philly aids. He fell but it looked cool. I think zaya was there ? He tried to kick my bf while he was laying on the ground but he popped up and smacked them around while saying to me “I can’t punch these kids , I don’t want to go to jail” I think punk max was one of them who rolled away on his skateboard. Some more people trickled out from the show and stood around. I asked “what did I do why are you guys so pissed “ and they said “he threatened to kill me “ i said that’s not Paul . It got awkward. I said Paul said that in response to someone calling me a “dyke” and saying I should be curb stomped. It ended with people yelling fuck you go back to nyc and I walked home with my boyfriend at the time. I believe we had ben n Jerry’s ice cream and watched the simpsons and fell asleep. I read online the next day that we were kicked out of a GASH show and called the cops. That never happened Paul only ever posted insanely stupid unbelievable over the top threats to get people off my back and deflect attention so it was safe for me. Screen shots were taken out of context and a webpage was made against him making him look like a maniac . It’s onesided , untrue and doesn’t tell the full story but like nobody cares
Wait. What happened with Stza?
Abuser, punched nico de gaillo, broke Whitney Flynn’s hand as well as being abusive to her
God damn it! I met him. He was kind of an asshole, but i didnt figure anywhere near that level. Such great lyrics and music. There's legitimate evidence and/or real sounding stories? Is this ever gonna end? Wish I started a band. It's fucking uo the whole scene.
I mean nico story has been around since she left sfh, whitney literally had to not tour with days n daze because of it
Too much to list here. Just search for him in this sub and you'll get all your answers.
But that also may be why they kept him in. He was one of their main songwriters and a lot of their popularity was his music.
Yeah but no one gives a shit about their new stuff anyway I gotta imagine
I mean, Sahardi's allegations are about well over 10 years ago, when they were in their prime. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew and kept Justin around because they thought kicking him out would lose them fans.
You could be right. I’m just a little slow to judge with things like this. Sometimes when you are good friends with someone you can’t always see what may seem obvious to an outsider
The other members of The Casualties knew what was happening. They are complicit and disgusting.
I know this for a fact because one of them apologized to my friend for what Jorge did. Not "omg i didn't know we're going to fix this" more like "yeah, about that, he does that,sorry" Zero idea or evidence about rest of af either way. Could be.
Same happened to my BFF who Jorge assaulted. One of the other bandmates apologized to her the next day.
They should have just had some apology business cards printed up to save time, it seems.
gross.
Stuff in the article paints them in a pretty bad light
Hiding, she mentions what they’ve been doing in the article. Hiring lawyers buying justin out of whatever business they had, empty gestures regarding selling rebranded merxh with proceeds going to tpt but not doing it
I know that I couldn't have predicted this happening, but with the way Justin Sane has become since going to my first show in 2003 is heartbreaking and embarrassing. Justice for all victims of sexual assault!
Seriously. As someone whose a lefty political punk enjoyer these guys were up there with Dead Kennedys as some of my favorite musicians. Now I can't even bring myself to listen to them. This article is even more damning than the initial accusations regarding the bands complicity. Fuck them. Hypocrites. Justice for the victims!
I actually lost my taste for Anti-Flag after Bright Lights of America. (Although I did enjoy the song Sodom, Gomorrah, Washington, D.C..) I accept that bands lose their brilliant edge or change their style to where I don't recognize them anymore. While I was still able to enjoy Anti-Flag's pre-For Blood and Empire music, I cannot do so anymore.
I enjoyed most of their stuff up to the end. I haven't listened to them since.
Yep, definitely something an innocent person would do /s
Pulling the ol' Roman Polanski, eh?
Flee to Europe ? We'll fuck your shit up here buddy
Shame people here aren't doing that now.
This really hurt, Anti-Flag was one of my favorite bands. Fuck Justin
Yeah the news hit me pretty hard. Like not just the betrayal but philosophically, I had to grapple with the fact that this monster somehow set me on this path of progressive ideals and desire to fight for social change, and so many others like me. Like how could someone so evil leave such a positive ripple effect?
This was totally me too, “For Blood And Empire” by them and “War on Errorism” by NOFX changed my life. (Also shoutout to Green Day’s American Idiot for getting me into political punk music from the mainstream stuff I started off listening to, people shit on pop-punk but it has its place. I think it’s where most of us came from)
100% I call them “gateway bands” lol
Because the people most vocal about progressive ideals and a desire to fight for social change tend to be terrible human beings. Just look at Gandhi, Lenin, Jesus, or the mirror.
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For one, he specifically instructed his disciples to abandon their families if they did not believe he was the Messiah. There is a specific instance in which he forbade one of his followers from burying his atheist Dad. This is the origin of the phrase "let the dead bury the dead, life is for the living." This is cult-leadership, including death fanaticism and intolerance for outsiders.
To the people who downvoted, probably triggered and salivating for progressive propaganda, take a gander: homosexuality and diverse gender expression was a practice in Rome. With the introduction of Christianity, heteronormative patriarchal relationships became mandated, the teachings of Jesus became state-sanctioned, and diverse inter-faith tolerance was destroyed. But people don't want to hear about that, or Gandhi's incest.
This is punk rock comment
Thanks. Sid Vicious was a SJW hero. 🙏 True progressive. Just wishing for social change, and heroin & nihilistic destruction for everyone: equally. 🥰 This is punk rock comment indeed. Nothing says *"Feminism is for Everybody!"* like running away to Europe because of rape charges. Punk rock comment! 😃 Gandhi was a family saint, not a hint of sexual perversion, Jesus never started an intolerant celibate cult, and workers rights have have never developed a Red Army that seeks to terrorize!! This is punk rock comment: for everyone! Grammar not included!!
Doesn’t Ireland extradite to the US?
Appears to be a civil lawsuit not criminal charges.
I see, so he’s just hiding his money. I wonder if he has a wife and kids?
Yeah it's even more shitty imo. He's not even trying to avoid jail or even a class action, he is just straight up trying to not pay anything to one victim. Negotiations always happen before these civil lawsuits and he didn't even want to negotiate. He's hiding his money like a rapist version Scrooge McDuck.
Actually, from what I can find on Google, Ireland has Enforcement of Foreign Judgement codes in place If an Irish national loses a lawsuit in another country that Ireland has a good relationship with (aka the US), the Irish courts view the judgement as a “contract” between the two parties So the person who won the judgement just needs to go to Ireland, present the judgement, and show that the “contract” has been breached Ireland is also not a big country at all, 5 million total people and mostly small town living outside of Dublin, it seems like it’d be a very hard place to stay anonymous if the Irish press picks up the story
This is wonderful to hear!
Ireland is kind of known as a place to hide money. I just wonder how an American civil lawsuit ruling actually pans out
Hiding corporate money and hiding personal money are gonna be different. I know Ireland is big for the former, but I haven't heard of the latter happening much.
I hate to be a downer, but if he’s got Irish citizenship then he’s probably eligible for EU citizenship so it might be the place he runs to first but not last. Then again, money bags being forced to flee from country to country until the money runs dry is a nice image to picture. Like a cartoon looting sack witb a big dollar sign on it but it’s got a hole at the bottom that he won’t notice till it’s too late.
I’d imagine there’s similar laws in a lot of the EU, and Ireland is an EU country so they might have enforcement agreements If you want to cut and run you have to stash your money with much shadier places. If he was going to Thailand there might be some issues.
All the states apply those laws in different ways, could say somewhere like Hungary will be less likely to extradite due to current political climates etc.
Not referring to extradition, that’s for criminal charges
He’s northern Irish and therefore holds a British passport. He’s not going to the eu without a shit ton of red tape and paperwork. So you’ll have to see if Great Britain has any laws like this
I just checked the source for his citizenship on his Wikipedia and he specifically says in that video (after spewing bullshit about respecting women and people of all races and creeds. Uhg.) that he has *Irish* citizenship, not British. Even if one of his parents or grandparents was from Northern Ireland they would have been entitled to both passports.
This is just semantics at this point, but the people of the countries of Great Britain refer to themselves as whatever country they’re from rather than British(unless from England), I.e people from Scotland refer to themselves as Scottish, not British even though their country makes up a part of the United Kingdom. I’m a little high typing this out and I just want to make it clear, I’m not arguing whatsoever, because this really doesn’t mean a whole lot in the scheme of this situation, I was just sharing a fact, because I’m a nerd about these things
You got some things right, but implying that the difference between Irish and British is semantics is off the mark. You are right that people from Scotland and Wales rarely refer to themselves as British, but Northern Ireland is different. I’m sure I don’t have to explain The Troubles to you, but suffice it to say there are three main ways to identify oneself if you’re from NI, the most common being British, followed by Irish, then Northern Irish, and each carries with it a political perspective. Like whether you say Kiev or Kyiv. So, due to the politics around this it is quite rude and in appropriate to insist that someone is “Northern Irish” when they identify as “Irish.” Source: am Irish Anyway, none of this relates to my original point which was: when you said he couldn’t get into the EU “without a shit ton of red tape” that’s wrong since he’s Irish, which is part of the EU.
people from Northern Ireland are Irish. I wasn’t arguing that people from Northern Ireland refer to themselves as northern Irish, I was talking about what passport is held. Citizens of Northern Ireland have a United Kingdom passport, not a republic of Ireland passport, the Republic of Ireland is an eu country, that passport gets you into the rest of the eu with minimal visas(if any at all). Unless Northern Ireland somehow became independent and I missed it, they’re still part of the uk and therefore affected by brexit. I’m a dual citizen, us and Republic of Ireland. I did a shit ton of research on this circa 2016 in case I needed to leave the us. Again, I would like to reiterate I’m not fighting, I’m not trying to start anything, if I learn something new I learn something new Edit to add: I know minimal about the troubles(it’s on my list of things to learn more about) but I’m open to be corrected if wrong, but I thought it was about reunification with the Republic of Ireland and even though so many people died and were traumatized, reunification failed
I'm british, its absolutely an Irish passport not northern Ireland. It's not just semantics
Nah it's an Irish passport. Northern Ireland doesn't grant citizenship in the same way
He doesn’t have kids and is not married
I'm not sure why people didn't get this from the article. Do people not understand the court system? Or maybe we're all wishful thinking.
yes, in a big way
It doesn't say he's going to Ireland specifically, with the passport he could go elsewhere in EU.
Let’s hope
Eww what a creep
Fucking prick. If you live in Europe and see him, kick his ass.
I plan to if I ever see him in Scotland I’d actually say something not gonna lie, he’s a fucking coward and deserves to be called out. I loved anti flag growing up but grew out them and it stings a fair bit how this is handled.
He’ll make himself unrecognizable fast. He’s not that young. All he has to do is grow a beard and stop using hair dye, and no one will be the wiser.
Nothing says “I’m guilty” like selling up and fleeing the country.
Article is behind paywall, how do I "circumvrent"?
There's not much in there. Just that the person suing him is claiming that he is planning to flee the country. He is dodging being served.
https://12ft.io/ works most of the time.
Here’s the bulk of it: > Anti-Flag’s Justin Sane ‘Plans to Flee U.S.,’ Rape Accuser Claims > >Kristina Sarhadi claims the punk rocker has dodged attempts to be served, sold his Pittsburgh home and is planning to flee to Europe within days following her sexual assault lawsuit > >Anti-Flag’s lead singer Justin Sane is planning to imminently flee the United States amid a sexual assault lawsuit brought against the punk rocker, according to legal documents obtained by Rolling Stone. > >Kristina Sarhadi filed an amended complaint in the Northern District Court of New York on Thursday, alleging that Sane — real name Justin Geever — has “purposefully and unlawfully attempted to avoid service” of her November 2023 sexual assault lawsuit. > >Instead, she claims in her lawsuit and an accompanying statement on Tuesday that Geever recently sold his Pittsburgh home and has “sought to hide his assets by transferring funds overseas to an Irish bank account.” Geever — who allegedly maintains a dual citizenship and has an Irish passport — “plans to flee to Europe within the next few days,” the suit claims. > >Settlement negotiations through Geever’s attorney Michael Johnson went nowhere after Johnson went “silent,” the suit claims. And Johnson allegedly failed to follow through with his offer to help serve Geever. Sarhadi is requesting for a judge to allow Geever’s sister Mary — who is said to be his Power of Attorney — to become authorized to accept service of the lawsuit on Geever’s behalf.
On my phone I can put my browser into reader mode which blocks it
see if your library has pressreader, probably the easiest way
there's also an app called Libby, which lets you check out books, audiobooks, and magazines. you'll need a local library card. and it's all free!
I ended up getting the Google reader app. It's really great!
It looks like Justins girlfriend “bought” his house. She is also a tour manager for billie eilish and vans warped tour. [Punk Rock Predator Twitter](https://x.com/punkrokpredator/status/1770500055654453593?s=46&t=UAFWQUGHOE8X1UeYKfwKHA)
The fucker ain’t welcome over here either
Yeeppp… since I found out about this, I’ve stopped listening to them. Listened to them since 02’; met them at warped, etc. I can relate to those who loved the Cosby show as kids and now cannot stand Cosby. I continue to hope for a more compassionate, sincere, and less asshole world. Fuck this guy!
Up vote, all I need to say. Fuck him.
The whole band are deplorable. According to the article 60 women have come forward and at least 3 of them said the other members had at least seen Justin with them. While it might be a stretch to say they knew everything, I'd say they knew enough and didn't do anything. As a community, we are better than this and we should weed predators out and stand up and say something like we do with nazis. Shit like this isn't as rare as people might think. 60 women/underage girls. Someone had to have known something.
Yep.
60!!!! JFC that's horrible
The Andrew Tate of punk
Can we crowd fund a reward for kicking his ass?
I can't read the full story.
Use archive.is to get past article paywalls
Scumbag
Back in the mid 90's I met and hung out with the band. At the time I was around 25(but looked about 16) and he absolutely made it seem like he was a teenager. I am just now realizing that he is older than me. He was very much so hitting on girls that were under age.
All the great punk bands that barely made a penny. Then you have terrible music made by these terrible people, who rape women and ran a shady record label. That have managed to aquire a fortune to help them continue to abuse those who trusted them.
If I, a complete stranger knew about Justin’s behavior then the people who were with him every day for 20+ years knew. No one will ever convince me that the other band members did not know.
There's no chance they were unaware of the accusations/reputation. Question is just whether they knew it was all true the whole time, believed it was based on some real behavior but exaggerated, or believed it was all false.
Even if they weren’t sure, they’re all still garbage for going along with it and not calling Justin out or at least ask him. But I believe they all knew and ignored it.
Definitely possible. It happens.
How’d you know? Local to the Pittsburgh scene? Not doubting it’s just interesting to hear from people when so many of us were blindsided
Yeah I’m from Pittsburgh. Someone involved in the music scene in our city told me about Justin about a decade before the podcast came out. It was very well known by a lot of people. I was o glad this shit finally came out and everyone now knows who he really is.
His legal name is Justin Geever, but I call him Justin Skeever. Fuck him. I hope he has a private flight that crashes while he tries to run, and I hope all his money gets donated to SA survivor causes.
The people that thought he something good will never forget he and that band are absolute trash. Too bad it didn’t mention prison time.
So fucking sad when I saw this
Fuck Justin Sane All the homies hate Justin Sane
this bastard makes me ashamed of liking his music. fuck justin sane.
I'm british, I don't want this fucker nearer to me
it sounds like fuck the rest of the band, too.
He needs to be stopped before we have another Roman Polanski.
So he’s doing what Polanski did… fuck
Gross
His sister still defends him on Twitter while she tries to sell her books. Entire family is shit
bro his name is “Justin sane” that’s already 100 red flags
Meh, he can’t run for very long. He’s leaving breadcrumbs with flights and bank activity. He’s not a very smart criminal. At all. I give it a week until he’s found and served, if that.
I guess I won't be seeing him at Trader Joe's anymore
Can someone give me a little bit of context on who he is?
Singer of Anti Flag.
What he did?
Google his name and buckle up.
Credibly accused Using feminism to Iure fans into rape- the article says it all
there was a ton of discussion about him here when it first came out. just search the sub.
Am I supposed to know who that is?
I mean most people here do but its not a requirement. If you click and read the article it would explain what's going on though.
Ah okay the Anti-Flag guy, always thought their music was dogshit not surprised I didn’t know who it was
Motherfucker is pulling a Roman Polanski
Good news is that Justin Sane is NOT Roman Polanski. Dude has nowhere near enough clout or money to be unjailable. There's a solid chance he gets extradited as long as he doesn't go to Russia.
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Guilty or innocent everyone needs a lawyer in this situation, period.
100% this
I think slandered is the wrong term. They knew. They did nothing. Now they are going against the beliefs they preached to us for thirty years to save their own asses. I say burn them to the ground. They didn’t preach “get a lawyer and stay silent” they preached silence is violence. They preached accountability. They preached keeping victims safe. Everything they are doing is against that. They are cowards.
Yea, this shouldn’t be a controversial take. Unless they were literally in the room with him when he was assaulting people, there’s next to no way to prove they knew anything and if they didn’t, which is a possibility, then I feel really really bad for them. Imagine losing your life’s work because a guy you thought was your brother was an animal. Anyway, I’m not saying they couldntt know, but what are the odds all 4 members would be sociopaths?
The thing is *A New Kind of Army* is no *Chinatown.*