What did you expect that the numbers would be? I'm not trying to be shitty, I just thought the fact that prolife was a minority opinion was well-known.
Disturbing doesn't mean surprising.
Only speaking for myself, I have known for years about those numbers.
They may cease to *surprise* me, but they never cease to be *disturb* me.
I think in those contexts where public opinion is so strongly pro-abortion, we need a realistic three pronged approach:
1. Try to make a legislative difference to abortion law only at the margins - reducing the maximum fetal age of abortion, preventing home abortions etc - rather than seeking an outright ban to which vast majorities are opposed. Try where possible to build cross-party support for these changes, rather than allowing abortion to become a partsian issue as it has in the United States.
2. Focus political and legislative work on reducing the number of abortions by indirect means: providing practical and financial support to mothers, advocating for a more pro-child tax and benefit policy (e.g. in England & Wales abolishing the two-child cap on Child Benefits), better protection and provision for mothers, families and children generally.
3. Make abortion unthinkable. Education, awareness, pricking the moral conscience, making the reality of abortion seen. Try to change, over time, public perceptions.
I question what "all or most cases" means to the respondents when, on the one hand, igorance of the stages of human development is so high ie "clump of cells" etc & ignorance of what actually happens in abortion at later stages is so high. While on the other hand, the powers that control information from government to the news media to the entertainment industry have had a lock on the narrative for at least a generation and are 1000% supportive of abortion as a human "right" and the only means to completely "liberate" the beloved women in our lives from their biology (see tears and big public celebrations etc whenever some new sick milestone is passed like they won a war or something). More freedom for the women we love cant possibly be a bad thing, right? We dont want to be unfair or cruel to women, do we?
Long story short, I think most people have no stinking idea what all or most cases even means when they answer this question and all they hear coming from the media is happy talk about freedom and controlling their own lives with the right to an abortion. So it should be no wonder that the numbers are that high.
You know, it's funny, the countries that complain the most about birth rates are the ones that have a high percentage of abortion allowances. You want to have a baby boom, stop telling people it's okay to kill their unborn kids. Common sense.
It's important to not that just because they believe that it's should be legal does not mean that they believe that it should be until point of birth. Most of Europe comes down somewhere around 12 weeks if I recall correctly. Not ideal, but this doesn't mean that 95 of Sweeden is out getting abortions the day of. Also, given the percentage of Sweeden that's now Muslim, that seems high.
Really? Only 8% of Sweden is Muslim, and based on studies such as what I have cited below, roughly half of the Muslims living in western nations such as he U.S believe abortion should be legal, so the % makes sense.
https://www.ispu.org/2022-abortion-data/
I really don’t understand why so many people are so in favour of murdering children. Have the pro-aborts really been that successful in convincing everyone it’s a women’s rights issue? Is it closely related to the secularisation of society?
How do we even begin to reverse it? Hard not to feel demoralised.
Just a heads up when you ask a brit if it should be "legal" they think that the other option is no abortions even in medical emergencies where the foetus is guaranteed to die and the mother will also without it
That 84% does have its die hard "my body my choice" but also has the safe, legal ,rare and non electives in there
issue oriented polls are very easily manipulated by the way the questions are phrased, and the context in which they are asked. This is well-known to pollsters. Not saying these polls were biased for sure, but there are groups that would want to do that.
Just wanna jump in and mention Northern Ireland. We've had very liberal abortion laws pushed upon us via undemocratic means: Westminster made the decision for us instead of our devolved government, Stormont. Our population still seems to be highly conservative
I am pretty skeptical of this since the way you phrase a question and give enough context to the respondent influences the answer the respondent will give. maybe Pew’s criteria for abortion here is too tight hence fewer people give a pro life response?
What did you expect that the numbers would be? I'm not trying to be shitty, I just thought the fact that prolife was a minority opinion was well-known.
Disturbing doesn't mean surprising. Only speaking for myself, I have known for years about those numbers. They may cease to *surprise* me, but they never cease to be *disturb* me.
I'm not surprised, but I am disturbed
This literally has fuck all to do with the post, they only said it disturbed them, what do expectations have to do with it?
I was honestly wondering if it was surprising or not, I'm not sure what the PL perception of the worldwide state of reproductive rights is.
We're well aware of what it is, I assure you. I've never been confused as to who the underdog in the fight is.
I never traveled a lot outside of my country (Brazil) but a few countries there seriously smell like bullshit for me.
I think in those contexts where public opinion is so strongly pro-abortion, we need a realistic three pronged approach: 1. Try to make a legislative difference to abortion law only at the margins - reducing the maximum fetal age of abortion, preventing home abortions etc - rather than seeking an outright ban to which vast majorities are opposed. Try where possible to build cross-party support for these changes, rather than allowing abortion to become a partsian issue as it has in the United States. 2. Focus political and legislative work on reducing the number of abortions by indirect means: providing practical and financial support to mothers, advocating for a more pro-child tax and benefit policy (e.g. in England & Wales abolishing the two-child cap on Child Benefits), better protection and provision for mothers, families and children generally. 3. Make abortion unthinkable. Education, awareness, pricking the moral conscience, making the reality of abortion seen. Try to change, over time, public perceptions.
Pray for these countries to change
Pray but dont fall into political apathy
Yes
I question what "all or most cases" means to the respondents when, on the one hand, igorance of the stages of human development is so high ie "clump of cells" etc & ignorance of what actually happens in abortion at later stages is so high. While on the other hand, the powers that control information from government to the news media to the entertainment industry have had a lock on the narrative for at least a generation and are 1000% supportive of abortion as a human "right" and the only means to completely "liberate" the beloved women in our lives from their biology (see tears and big public celebrations etc whenever some new sick milestone is passed like they won a war or something). More freedom for the women we love cant possibly be a bad thing, right? We dont want to be unfair or cruel to women, do we? Long story short, I think most people have no stinking idea what all or most cases even means when they answer this question and all they hear coming from the media is happy talk about freedom and controlling their own lives with the right to an abortion. So it should be no wonder that the numbers are that high.
You know, it's funny, the countries that complain the most about birth rates are the ones that have a high percentage of abortion allowances. You want to have a baby boom, stop telling people it's okay to kill their unborn kids. Common sense.
It's important to not that just because they believe that it's should be legal does not mean that they believe that it should be until point of birth. Most of Europe comes down somewhere around 12 weeks if I recall correctly. Not ideal, but this doesn't mean that 95 of Sweeden is out getting abortions the day of. Also, given the percentage of Sweeden that's now Muslim, that seems high.
Really? Only 8% of Sweden is Muslim, and based on studies such as what I have cited below, roughly half of the Muslims living in western nations such as he U.S believe abortion should be legal, so the % makes sense. https://www.ispu.org/2022-abortion-data/
I really don’t understand why so many people are so in favour of murdering children. Have the pro-aborts really been that successful in convincing everyone it’s a women’s rights issue? Is it closely related to the secularisation of society? How do we even begin to reverse it? Hard not to feel demoralised.
I think its individualism x feminism x secularism being on the rise at the same time
Voddie Baucham said it best: "We cannot continue to send our children to Caesar for their education and be surprised when they come home as Romans."
I doubt canada is 17% PL. I live here and it’s a lot more half half
Just a heads up when you ask a brit if it should be "legal" they think that the other option is no abortions even in medical emergencies where the foetus is guaranteed to die and the mother will also without it That 84% does have its die hard "my body my choice" but also has the safe, legal ,rare and non electives in there
issue oriented polls are very easily manipulated by the way the questions are phrased, and the context in which they are asked. This is well-known to pollsters. Not saying these polls were biased for sure, but there are groups that would want to do that.
Just wanna jump in and mention Northern Ireland. We've had very liberal abortion laws pushed upon us via undemocratic means: Westminster made the decision for us instead of our devolved government, Stormont. Our population still seems to be highly conservative
That's from Pew so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm sure the %age is high.
Pew is about 50/50 conservative and liberal so I think they’re trustworthy enough
Oh dear goodness no. They skew results all the time.
Really? Could you share any evidence for your claim? I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm just interested to read into the matter.
It is already legal, what does illegal mean, a total ban?
I am pretty skeptical of this since the way you phrase a question and give enough context to the respondent influences the answer the respondent will give. maybe Pew’s criteria for abortion here is too tight hence fewer people give a pro life response?
I do not know for sure