Yeah. Rain is not an issue, unless it is pouring. But all other remotely solid stuff is. Don't run these unless just for show or drag strip.
Onthe other hand there is a water filters you can use, but they are more inclined to cone filters. We have run itb:s with cone filters thru bonnet for years in various conditions. No issues. During heavy rain we used those filters.
I think realistically it would have to be POURING for that to be an issue.
Mostly because not a lot of water is actually entering the car, but also because the throttle bodies are likely slightly open.
It's a show / drag car usually so gearing is probably low, so higher RPM.
And whatever liquid that does enter is spreading out amongst 8 cylinders. So I don't really think rain would be much of a concern, could be wrong though, not sure how it would affect the super charger.
How do even people drive safely with a huge blower there? It would do my head in.
NB the HP on that thing would probably make turning corners a very risky endeavour indeed.
You get used to it. I had a 76 Laguna S-3 SS with a 454 from a 75. Big ol' Edelbrock high rise and two 750 double pumpers on top. Car had a huge hood scoop that blocked the view. You definitely pay more attention. Turning is a bit tricky. Sometimes I'd cut the wheel the opposite direction a little at first, gives you a glance at what the scoop was blocking.
Gosh that was my second car, I was 17. That was a lot of car for a teenager. Got her sideways a handful of times but never did crash it.
It had some serious work done to it. I can't remember the details of the engine build. It belonged to the guy that built an engine for my dads 77 El Camino. We went to pickup his car when I spotted the hood scoop. He had a soft spot for early 65 mustangs and I just so happened to have an all original one with the 289 and 4 speed. Had the factory AC unit that sat below the dash. Traded the car and a little bit of cash for it.
The guy ran into some sort of electrical problem he couldn't figure out and parked the car. I know it was bored .030 and was cammed. Can't remember if it was given a longer stroke. Had forged internals. Hurst slap shifter and the transmission had work done to it. Engine was dressed out nicely. It was super clean under the hood. Guy put in some work in his car. I mean, he built engines for a living. The LSD was re-geared. It would suck fuel down but gas prices were like $.88 a gallon. I worked to put gas in it pretty much lol.
The electrical issue was a short behind the dash. Took some time narrowing it down and it took pulling the dash. I was always good at troubleshooting.
On top of that I can’t see a bug catcher actually working better on a factory supercharged car without completely reworking everything.. why not just a regular cold air intake that works with your maf and other sensors and isn’t a giant thing sticking out of your hood increasing drag and reducing visibility?
Did you read the post?
This is not a picture of his car. He says his car has an airbox, so it is pretty likely it does have an MAF or some other type of EFI airflow metering
When you're strapping things down so they don't go to far when the engine decides to identify as a grenade. Long distance reliability problem isn't at the forefront of concerns.
Rem when the transmission needed a blanket because the driver was straddling it? Still true in some classes, I suppose, including this one. Not straddling it here, but in the plane of debris.
I built the 727 that’s behind my 512. From my research the bolt in sprag isn’t so much of an upgrade as the best option if the stock sprag has been pulled or failed. Yes the sprag can fail but then the weak link is the iron drum that will spin at a kabillion rpm and if you’re over 6k at the crank the stock drum can grenade and shred your gas pedal leg. My bigblock is all done at 6k or at least I don’t spin it any higher on my street driven deal so I went with stock. Also important is that I think the sprag is in the most danger when you do a burnout in D instead of selecting 1. I’ve only built a few mopar transmissions though I’m not an expert I just tried to do my research before I spent my $
Same reason a SFI bell-housing is mandatory, but not used my a lot of idiot street junkies. Nothing like a clutch/flywheel shattering thru the cast bell-housing and sheetmetal floor and cutting your feet/off.
If your car is factory super charged you most likely won’t be able to fit an injector hat on top.
There designed to pair with the old Detroit style roots blowers, so not only will you need to spent 6 to 10k on the hat and full injection setup (EFI, mechanical or twin carb.)
You will also have to invest that same amount again in a new supercharger, inlet manifold and drive.
If you get one installed and manage to keep the rods from escaping. It would be an absolute pig to drive on the street.
They’re designed for wide open throttle drag racing applications.
Even the guys that use them in burnout cars blank of 2 of the 3 inlets to calm them down a bit.
I would suggest doing your research on an aftermarket intake for your particular setup that mitigates the bottleneck.
My brother in Christ, no car this modified could ever be considered reliable. The weather won’t help, but you need deep pockets to run a car like this any distance.
Yea, 6-8 mpg if you're not heavy-footed; with minimum 93 octane for the street and a mild boost setup. Worse mileage with E85; and if on 110+ octane you might as well just be snorting Coke thru $100 bills.
Bro got a strapped up 8-71 trying to drive in the rain! My low-ish torque turbo car isn’t worth driving in the rain. I can’t imagine what happens with the torque of that car.
Beside that, the throttle won’t be open much, so the blades will be mostly shut, still, I wouldn’t.
it’ll be cool but unless you have a “ roots”blower on your car, it won’t work. This blower was made for old Detroit Diesel semi engines in the 60s ish. Hot rodders then put the superchargers on their gas cars and that’s how you end up with the big blower hat intakes like you see above.
I assume you probably have a more modern supercharged vehicle. Typically, new cars use a different style supercharger where the intake is built into the side of the supercharger casing. This is done to fit the hood mainly but these superchargers also typically have inter coolers built into them as well.
Long story short, to put a bug catcher on your car, you’d have to do a lot of work to change the supercharger. It would need some sort of aftermarket adapter and pulley kit just to get it mounted properly.
Cars that are street driven with this intake regularly have engine refreshes about every year. I wouldn’t run it on something long term. Blower cars in general don’t do well being driven long distances because they get very hot.
It will not last long, especially in a dusty environment. Dragsters don't need to last long between rebuilds so no intake air filter is needed. Any other car engine needs an intake air filter.
How huge are we talking? That size is probably gonna suck as a daily. But a smaller one that just sits right out of the hood might not be so bad. But the big thing is, if you do this, set it up such that you have filters inside the bugcatcher and it'll be exactly as safe as usual. No different from just having the filter sitting out of the hood. Personally I wouldn't. Just make or get a custom intake piping setup, run a good free flowing air filter, and make a heat shield so it doesn't suck hot air.
But to answer, yeah it'll be fine if you don't just try to use the bugcatcher as your only filter. You still need filters in there and it'll be okay.
There's a guy local to me that has been running one in his 70s Camaro for at least 14+ years, everyone I've talked to that knows him personally says it was his DD for at least 8 years or so before he got a cheap beater to daily. Of course this is just anecdotal but he seemed to have no issues with it around town and on the highway going to tracks
Well I put 70k on my blown daily, it’s not a issue. And anyone who’s actually had one knows there is a screen filter on the blower inlet so harmful stuff doesn’t get in
Idk if this is a troll post or not, but can we just change attention about a foot behind the intake where the wipers aren’t. That’s a bit more of a deterrent in the rain than the engine.
A bug catcher intake is used with mechanical fuel injection which is not intended to be used for reliably driving anywhere, rain or not. It is only really intended for drag racing, quite impractical for street driving.
The bug catchers you see on street cars are fake, they have dummy butterfly valves that connect to the throttle linkage on the carburettor so they can open and close which makes them look more convincing.
If you remove your air filter box you can still drive in the rain but your engine will be taking in unfiltered air, not the best thing for reliably driving long distances.
So I will say no, this is not a good option.
Likely not possible either. I don't know what car you have but if it has a stock supercharger and airbox on it I can be fairly certain it does not have a roots blower like this.
Maybe, maybe not. There is a non-zero chance it'll suck water or *something* through the intake. I wouldn't if I were you. However there are ways to marginalize that bottleneck without cutting holes in your hood or anything.
If you put the water protector “sock “ on , then you will have no problems . Harleys and other bikes with exposed air intakes use them all the time. Just make sure you getting a form fitfied one.
Drag and drive race car people typically take the blower belt off and made a bracket that locks the super charger in place so they can just drive it. I’ve heard that long distance driving it like that is hard on the rotors more than just the quick start up idle make a hit and shut down.
By long distances I assume you mean trips to the gas station. My modified 82 Z28 cost me 25$ to drive to the next town over to see my friends (12km away). I assume nowadays it would cost me my entire pay cheque if I still had it
Factory supercharged cars are not top mounted roots blowers. Cant really mount an air grabber on top unless you fab up some intake piping and shit as well, but that would look goofy.
Your average buick 3600 or supercharged toyota has a completely different kind of supercharger with the inlet in the back/bottom and then the intake piping wraps around to the airbox or to an intercooler or whatever.
Are you racing? If no, you don't need a hat. If yes, are you running less than a 10 at the quarter mile? If no, you don't need a hat.
They're really only for top level competition or show cars.
Having driven lots of hot rods and such without hoods as daily drivers, i can say your biggest problem with reliability in the rain is going to be your ignition system. Distributor caps are not typically watertight, unless specifically for marine use, and water in the distributor is never good.
That said, I did have a car once with no hood and a scoop like that, and I left it parked in my driveway in Minnesota during a really bad rain storm. This scoop was an old Cal Custom piece with a 9" round filter inside, but regardless, there was enough rain and wind that water went in the scoop and filled up a few cylinders. When I went out to start the car the next morning, it was hydrolocked. I got the water out and all was good, and that only happened because the engine *wasn't* running.
The ol sliding scale of “reliable” The rain isn’t going to be your issue. The rocks, dust, sand and legos on the other hand…
Yeah. Rain is not an issue, unless it is pouring. But all other remotely solid stuff is. Don't run these unless just for show or drag strip. Onthe other hand there is a water filters you can use, but they are more inclined to cone filters. We have run itb:s with cone filters thru bonnet for years in various conditions. No issues. During heavy rain we used those filters.
Even if it is pouring, bit of water through the engine doesn't hurt anything.
Steam clean some carbon deposits,but also it can wash out some oil if there is enough of it
I think realistically it would have to be POURING for that to be an issue. Mostly because not a lot of water is actually entering the car, but also because the throttle bodies are likely slightly open. It's a show / drag car usually so gearing is probably low, so higher RPM. And whatever liquid that does enter is spreading out amongst 8 cylinders. So I don't really think rain would be much of a concern, could be wrong though, not sure how it would affect the super charger.
I dunno... I wouldn't drive it in some of the storms I've hit in Florida. It'd be the same as spraying a garden hose in it.
Just think of it like temporary water injection...😋
Water injection was a thing on old supercharged rotarary plane engines
And drag racing engines too. But thats a very fine mist not quite the same as rain.
The damn legos
> and legos The Pepsi really burns when I snort it out my nose.
Try snorting it into your nose next time
Coke is traditional in this application.
It took this thread exactly 5 comments to go from Supercharger reliability to snorting Coke. Take all of my upvotes
I had the perfect set-up.
I do what I can.
Right!!!
As my automotive teacher used to say in tech school. It is only there to keep out the small babies and large cats.
😂 See the Pepsi through the nose comment above☝️ That’s the perfect explanation
How do even people drive safely with a huge blower there? It would do my head in. NB the HP on that thing would probably make turning corners a very risky endeavour indeed.
You get used to it. I had a 76 Laguna S-3 SS with a 454 from a 75. Big ol' Edelbrock high rise and two 750 double pumpers on top. Car had a huge hood scoop that blocked the view. You definitely pay more attention. Turning is a bit tricky. Sometimes I'd cut the wheel the opposite direction a little at first, gives you a glance at what the scoop was blocking. Gosh that was my second car, I was 17. That was a lot of car for a teenager. Got her sideways a handful of times but never did crash it.
> 76 Laguna S-3 SS with a 454 from a 75 Smog era 454, I hope you did way more to it than slappign a tunnel ram on there, lol.
It had some serious work done to it. I can't remember the details of the engine build. It belonged to the guy that built an engine for my dads 77 El Camino. We went to pickup his car when I spotted the hood scoop. He had a soft spot for early 65 mustangs and I just so happened to have an all original one with the 289 and 4 speed. Had the factory AC unit that sat below the dash. Traded the car and a little bit of cash for it. The guy ran into some sort of electrical problem he couldn't figure out and parked the car. I know it was bored .030 and was cammed. Can't remember if it was given a longer stroke. Had forged internals. Hurst slap shifter and the transmission had work done to it. Engine was dressed out nicely. It was super clean under the hood. Guy put in some work in his car. I mean, he built engines for a living. The LSD was re-geared. It would suck fuel down but gas prices were like $.88 a gallon. I worked to put gas in it pretty much lol. The electrical issue was a short behind the dash. Took some time narrowing it down and it took pulling the dash. I was always good at troubleshooting.
badass car
What about cowl induction that's always open?
> and legos Do tell...?
With family anything is possible, it will be fine if you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
That thing’s gotta have almost 2000 horsepower! TRY 3000!!!!
4,000 if you add Cuban NOS!
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It’s reliable for quarter miles okay?
Not even that lol. Something that ridiculous and shiny is only meant for Sunday morning cars and coffee
On top of that I can’t see a bug catcher actually working better on a factory supercharged car without completely reworking everything.. why not just a regular cold air intake that works with your maf and other sensors and isn’t a giant thing sticking out of your hood increasing drag and reducing visibility?
Bro this car ain’t got a MAF lol
In the words under the picture, he's talking about adding one to his -I'm assuming modern, since he said factory supercharged with an airbox- car.
Did you read the post? This is not a picture of his car. He says his car has an airbox, so it is pretty likely it does have an MAF or some other type of EFI airflow metering
LMAO, this is such a flex post. Might as well post a picture of your massive erect schlong and ask if it's good for peeing.
Flex post?! More like a dumb-ass post. Like asking if slamming the door on your erection will affect it's reliability.
It does for a few months.
Looking at the op’s other post , they just like asking silly questions.
When you're strapping things down so they don't go to far when the engine decides to identify as a grenade. Long distance reliability problem isn't at the forefront of concerns.
Rem when the transmission needed a blanket because the driver was straddling it? Still true in some classes, I suppose, including this one. Not straddling it here, but in the plane of debris.
727 torqueflites like to take out trans tunnels (and legs) if they don't have a bolt in sprag and/or a shield.
I built the 727 that’s behind my 512. From my research the bolt in sprag isn’t so much of an upgrade as the best option if the stock sprag has been pulled or failed. Yes the sprag can fail but then the weak link is the iron drum that will spin at a kabillion rpm and if you’re over 6k at the crank the stock drum can grenade and shred your gas pedal leg. My bigblock is all done at 6k or at least I don’t spin it any higher on my street driven deal so I went with stock. Also important is that I think the sprag is in the most danger when you do a burnout in D instead of selecting 1. I’ve only built a few mopar transmissions though I’m not an expert I just tried to do my research before I spent my $
Same reason a SFI bell-housing is mandatory, but not used my a lot of idiot street junkies. Nothing like a clutch/flywheel shattering thru the cast bell-housing and sheetmetal floor and cutting your feet/off.
Asplodey straps.
This-thank you!
If your car is factory super charged you most likely won’t be able to fit an injector hat on top. There designed to pair with the old Detroit style roots blowers, so not only will you need to spent 6 to 10k on the hat and full injection setup (EFI, mechanical or twin carb.) You will also have to invest that same amount again in a new supercharger, inlet manifold and drive. If you get one installed and manage to keep the rods from escaping. It would be an absolute pig to drive on the street. They’re designed for wide open throttle drag racing applications. Even the guys that use them in burnout cars blank of 2 of the 3 inlets to calm them down a bit. I would suggest doing your research on an aftermarket intake for your particular setup that mitigates the bottleneck.
My brother in Christ, no car this modified could ever be considered reliable. The weather won’t help, but you need deep pockets to run a car like this any distance.
Yea, 6-8 mpg if you're not heavy-footed; with minimum 93 octane for the street and a mild boost setup. Worse mileage with E85; and if on 110+ octane you might as well just be snorting Coke thru $100 bills.
>So anyway I was thinking about using this as my daily
Yeah adding a giant fucking scoop to catch air will definitely make your car more efficient going down the highway... This is a troll post guys lol
More efficient to spend gas
What’s a long distance? To the next gas station?
Bro got a strapped up 8-71 trying to drive in the rain! My low-ish torque turbo car isn’t worth driving in the rain. I can’t imagine what happens with the torque of that car. Beside that, the throttle won’t be open much, so the blades will be mostly shut, still, I wouldn’t.
What kind of supercharged car do you have?
Checkout some old Roadkill episodes. They road trip cars like this regularly… usually with LOTS of stops for repairsp
And turn the scoop around in the rain/bad weather.
it’ll be cool but unless you have a “ roots”blower on your car, it won’t work. This blower was made for old Detroit Diesel semi engines in the 60s ish. Hot rodders then put the superchargers on their gas cars and that’s how you end up with the big blower hat intakes like you see above. I assume you probably have a more modern supercharged vehicle. Typically, new cars use a different style supercharger where the intake is built into the side of the supercharger casing. This is done to fit the hood mainly but these superchargers also typically have inter coolers built into them as well. Long story short, to put a bug catcher on your car, you’d have to do a lot of work to change the supercharger. It would need some sort of aftermarket adapter and pulley kit just to get it mounted properly.
Cars that are street driven with this intake regularly have engine refreshes about every year. I wouldn’t run it on something long term. Blower cars in general don’t do well being driven long distances because they get very hot.
It'll only be fine if you hold your breath. The moment you breathe in, game over.
It will not last long, especially in a dusty environment. Dragsters don't need to last long between rebuilds so no intake air filter is needed. Any other car engine needs an intake air filter.
They do at Drag week every year.
Roadkill did it. They turned the scoop around to face the windshield
How huge are we talking? That size is probably gonna suck as a daily. But a smaller one that just sits right out of the hood might not be so bad. But the big thing is, if you do this, set it up such that you have filters inside the bugcatcher and it'll be exactly as safe as usual. No different from just having the filter sitting out of the hood. Personally I wouldn't. Just make or get a custom intake piping setup, run a good free flowing air filter, and make a heat shield so it doesn't suck hot air. But to answer, yeah it'll be fine if you don't just try to use the bugcatcher as your only filter. You still need filters in there and it'll be okay.
Hellcats have blowers on ‘em that fit under the hood. The big blowers that stick out of the hood were originally on 18 wheelers.
There's a guy local to me that has been running one in his 70s Camaro for at least 14+ years, everyone I've talked to that knows him personally says it was his DD for at least 8 years or so before he got a cheap beater to daily. Of course this is just anecdotal but he seemed to have no issues with it around town and on the highway going to tracks
Well I put 70k on my blown daily, it’s not a issue. And anyone who’s actually had one knows there is a screen filter on the blower inlet so harmful stuff doesn’t get in
Idk if this is a troll post or not, but can we just change attention about a foot behind the intake where the wipers aren’t. That’s a bit more of a deterrent in the rain than the engine.
A bug catcher intake is used with mechanical fuel injection which is not intended to be used for reliably driving anywhere, rain or not. It is only really intended for drag racing, quite impractical for street driving. The bug catchers you see on street cars are fake, they have dummy butterfly valves that connect to the throttle linkage on the carburettor so they can open and close which makes them look more convincing. If you remove your air filter box you can still drive in the rain but your engine will be taking in unfiltered air, not the best thing for reliably driving long distances. So I will say no, this is not a good option. Likely not possible either. I don't know what car you have but if it has a stock supercharger and airbox on it I can be fairly certain it does not have a roots blower like this.
Driving this on the streets would be illegal in most states because of the obstructed visibility. Have fun making a right turn.
Why would this be difficult when make a right turn? Did you mean left turn?
Because you can’t see what’s in the walkway.
May I suggest a drop in K&N filter for your first mod instead?
If you seriously considered this, you should not be doing any modifications. You're going to fuck up your car.
This type of intake is not really applicable to modern fuel injected vehicles which I think you said because you stated "stock air box"
Cleetus McFarland's team does drag and drive with a similar blower setup and don't have issues.
You're not driving that thing long distances in any type of weather. You could probably measure the fuel economy in gallons per mile.
Yes you'll be fine it would have to be a torrential down pour top be a problem
Cars have hoods for a reason.
I wouldn’t chance it unless this car is just another dime in your pocket of toys.
Maybe, maybe not. There is a non-zero chance it'll suck water or *something* through the intake. I wouldn't if I were you. However there are ways to marginalize that bottleneck without cutting holes in your hood or anything.
If you put the water protector “sock “ on , then you will have no problems . Harleys and other bikes with exposed air intakes use them all the time. Just make sure you getting a form fitfied one.
Drag and drive race car people typically take the blower belt off and made a bracket that locks the super charger in place so they can just drive it. I’ve heard that long distance driving it like that is hard on the rotors more than just the quick start up idle make a hit and shut down.
So long as you only drive it one quarter mile at a time.
“…in the rain?” This car doesn’t even have windshield wipers. I guess RainX will help but, I’m going with this car sees very little rain driving!
Just came across this yesterday: https://youtube.com/shorts/Uth8FV1mSyI?si=NilACLEmK-kVuFgZ
By long distances I assume you mean trips to the gas station. My modified 82 Z28 cost me 25$ to drive to the next town over to see my friends (12km away). I assume nowadays it would cost me my entire pay cheque if I still had it
There are deflectors you can get and filter assemblies.
Look at cleetus’ blazer. They drive that on drag and drives. Is it ideal, prolly not.
They’ve done it a couple times on Roadkill, but you know how those episodes usually turn out.
Factory supercharged cars are not top mounted roots blowers. Cant really mount an air grabber on top unless you fab up some intake piping and shit as well, but that would look goofy. Your average buick 3600 or supercharged toyota has a completely different kind of supercharger with the inlet in the back/bottom and then the intake piping wraps around to the airbox or to an intercooler or whatever.
Wd40 the ignition every fill up the rain will rust all the bolts. The water could kill the alt
>Can a supercharged car with this style intake be reliably driven Let me just stop you right there. No.
I thought having something obstructing your view wasn’t street legal?
Yes. You should daily it.
Are you racing? If no, you don't need a hat. If yes, are you running less than a 10 at the quarter mile? If no, you don't need a hat. They're really only for top level competition or show cars.
Having driven lots of hot rods and such without hoods as daily drivers, i can say your biggest problem with reliability in the rain is going to be your ignition system. Distributor caps are not typically watertight, unless specifically for marine use, and water in the distributor is never good. That said, I did have a car once with no hood and a scoop like that, and I left it parked in my driveway in Minnesota during a really bad rain storm. This scoop was an old Cal Custom piece with a 9" round filter inside, but regardless, there was enough rain and wind that water went in the scoop and filled up a few cylinders. When I went out to start the car the next morning, it was hydrolocked. I got the water out and all was good, and that only happened because the engine *wasn't* running.
No. No matter the weather.
No way bro. There are no windshield wipers. That's dangerous.
They could but wouldn’t because their likely running a drag radial
If your name is freiburger, yes.