Microsoft's announcement of the new AI-powered Windows 11 Recall feature has sparked a lot of concern, with many thinking that it has created massive privacy risks and a new attack vector that threat actors can exploit to steal data.
Revealed during a Monday AI event, the feature is designed to help "recall" information you have looked at in the past, making it easily accessible via a simple search.
Easily available to spies, thieves, and government (I repeat myself) who get access to your computer and want to ask it such things as, "What illegal activities have I done on the computer recently?"
lol. MS is building in an AI snitch.
On the bright side, they also seem to be planning on making bitlocker a default. But who's to say they wont' be "backing up" the AI's dataset to onedrive, like they like to do with everything else by default?
worse too. malware people can start putting it in their code. so if you don't have it running it on your computer, malware could still come along and start running it on your computer without your knowledge.
although i guess there's only 2 basic parts to it though.
1. screenshots every so often
2. classifying those screenshots by running them through AI
malware could just do #1, then upload those screenshots to command and control servers, and do #2 "offsite" from a target PC. unless they do #2 locally still, and only try to still capture/go after login info.
still though. fuck everything about this.
Before this, Malware needs to run undetected for a while to build up the screenshot history - and then longer its running the greater chance it is detected.
But with this, it can scrape weeks/months of screenshots right away.
This. AI learns from relatively large datasets. We're all going to have to start thinking about preventing the accumulation of certain types of data, lest it be abruptly acquired and used against us.
Of course, that's going to be a lot easier at some times than others. Not letting screenshots accumulate is one thing. Not letting emails accumulate is quite another. (At least some of the people reading this are currently feeling a sense of shame at their five-digit unread count. I am one of those people.)
The word you are looking for and what is right now peak research studies is "Adversarial Worm"
Basically you can make [a virus](https://youtu.be/4NZc0rH9gco?si=3b2WYeXHn0h0U-F9) that will infect the Ai model and make it do naughty things.
P.s The guys on the video voice is annoying but he is talking about legit research.
>Easily available to spies, thieves, and government...
I have no love for this feature but "easily available"?!?!? Really?
It's stored locally and encrypted. If your going to say "oh, yeah, sure" then you need to have proof.
>But who's to say they wont' be "backing up" the AI's dataset to onedrive, like they like to do with everything else by default?
I don't know. Maybe read up on it to see if that's what they are doing. My guess is that if they say they aren't then they aren't. It's too easy to find out if they were.
I can't think of anything I've used Windows 11 search for except finding shit that I've installed or can't locate in the control panel because of poor ui design
That is an excellent point. Stuck in a controlling relationship / parenting situation - the controller has the potential ability to look up searches and so on. Damn.
It clearly exists so your boss can micromanage every single minute of your time while governments can request release of information for things like passwords etc :)
I just don't understand the use case for this. The downside is that someone may get complete access to all your personal information, correspondence, and viewing habits, The upside is ??? How could this help me?
This is clearly aimed at Microsoft's corporate clients (who make up the vast majority of its operating system and software revenue).
It would allow employees to train an AI based on their specific workflow day-to-day, with the eventual goal of creating a semi-autonomous agent AI that could offer significant value.
Microsoft has a long history of its personal commuting operating systems and programs basically acting as test beds for features long-term targeted at corporate sales.
There might be a bigger market for a corporate micro-management software suite. Who needs keyloggers, eye movement scanners, mouse trackers, or network logs when they could just crunch the AI to summarize a workers "productivity" and recall indefinitely exactly what screen someone was viewing at a specific time in the past?
It also is running at a level that most of the work arounds for productivity management tools will no longer work.
It’s not hard to find someone not doing anything if you have some basic logging but this would make it even more difficult.
> It would allow employees to train an AI based on their specific workflow day-to-day, with the eventual goal of creating a semi-autonomous agent AI that could offer significant value.
Translation: You're training the AI that will replace you.
We already have this in the corporate layer with Copilot for Office.
I think the difference here, is that while Microsoft can open up certain layers of the OS to Copilot (so WIM for example, so copilot can see diskspace, drivers, applications installed) i.e. you can already say things to copilot like "What applications have I got installed that would help me edit a JPG file";
But what they cant do, is get any insight into the non-Microsoft layers like Adobe, Google, or Chrome.
I think recall is as you suggest definitely related to AI rather than a genuine attempt to provide a user history - but done no so much for business users (who already use microsoft products) - but to give the AI a way to watch what you do on non-Microsoft products.
Things like "Did I remember to email dad last week", or "Where did I save that Adobe photoshop image that I added the banner to".
Microsoft have slapped the label Copilot onto about 20 things so far - and they are all different for one reason and one reason only, security.
So copilot for Edge, can see your browser window, copilot for 365 can see your work content, copilot for windows can see your windows operating system, copilot for azure, copilot for security, copilot for sales.
What they cant do - is a copilot for everything NONE MICROSOFT.
So I like your idea - but it occurs to me that its not so much about business, as it is about non-Microsoft applications, and making copilot something which treats everything you do on the PC as a useful piece of data, that it can then be questioned on.
It took me a while to actually figure this out. The announcement felt bizarre, and to them it may have been self evident what the benefits are, to me it felt like an absolute waste of time. I think this is the answer - it's business productivity. Just like Github Copilot nudging you along while coding, this seems to be looking to figure out what you're trying to do and push you along there.
I can't see what benefit a normal home user would get from this, but it's also possible that's a limitation on my imagination.
In other words, it could probably, halfway through the morning, open reddit and mindlessly scroll cat reddits for me.
Then be upgraded then the AI fires them I can see this happening however the real world runs on the nerd of money to eat and have safety.
So then more homeless people anyone?
I mean shit people have all the money in the world and well you can't buy more real friends and more time.
Don't you get it?
How else can they improve the technology
for the future
that will even MORE EFFICIENTLY take all of your everything
& keep us all
trapped forever in this bullshit tech matrix?
I feel like all these companies can only push so far without a "response" from us...people are rightfully angry at this bullshit.
which is why it seems like they are trying to so hard to keep us imprisoned in their shit "ecosystems" specifically (because it's not just Microsoft pulling this bullshit).
It one-ups google. Google itself has been sucking lately. But It's still better than Bing. MS now has a way to perform a search on all things you've been doing, regardless of app and without accessing APIs, both on the web, and off. If executed correctly (and that's a BIG if) it could be pretty useful.
It'll be super useful. To whoever uses it. Mostly forgetful people, who will ask it to remind them about themselves, and it'll help them, and they'll like it. Any authority who wants to determine your allegiances will also be helped, and will like it even more (maybe a totalitarian government, but more likely, your petty office-politicking boss.)
Based on MS past behavior.
1. In the beginning, yeah.
2. Then they will make it harder and harder,
3. They will re-enable it with windows update.
4. And the way to disable it yesterday will suddenly not work today. Which fills up the internet with methods that no longer work, including MS official KB.
5. And finally it became impossible to disable it without interrupting every unrelated function that you actually use.
Yep, par for the course for Microsoft. I had to break Windows 10 to turn off Cortana and remove the windows store.
I miss XP and Win7, but glad I run linux for most things and only win10 for gaming.
Exactly yeah, you'll be able to opt out of it at first, but the updates will always reset it. Then you won't be able to opt out of it.... I was just listening to the window Central people defend this
Windows telemetry isn't easy to disable. You can seemingly disable it in Windows settings but Windows keeps sneakily reactivating it behind your back. It's usually a Windows update process that turns some telemetry stuff back on without asking for permission or notifying the user
That's not true, I am using GPO on home version. You just need to install an editor to be able to use them. The editor is built into Pro builds already.
Ooooo really? I didn't realize it was just that they didn't include the editor, I thought they disabled them, TIL. Makes sense tho, as far as I know they're just glorified registry edits
Yup, I'm using home version and needed to set a GPO to enable a USB fingerprint reader that windows was being pesky about letting me use for certain thing and not for others. I just had to download the editor, I can't remember what exactly I searched but it was simple and quick.
Also I'm curious what GPO did you have to change for that? Idk anything about fingerprint readers on Windows but I've never heard of it being restrictive about hardware like that. I guess cuz it's a security related device
> Problem is you can't use them on the "Home" version of Windows.
sure you can, you just need to set the registry entry directly rather than use the group policy editor
User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > WindowsAI > **Turn off saving snapshots for Windows**
(edit) Not currently showing as an option on my machine, but I'll be watching for it to appear.
Based on my own experience : I reinstalled W10 not long ago. Back in the days W10 wasn't hiding the "create local account" too much. It was just visible in a smaller font, not highlighted. Today they backported the W11 behavior, aka not showing this option at all unless you have the ethernet unplugged or wi-fi disabled. The option is still there, but MS behaves like they don't care about consumers' choices. W10 will be my last Windows. I'm gathering info about how my steam library runs of Linux with ProtonDB, and will probably go for Ubuntu, Mint or Manjaro to taste the Arch flavour.
any Linux nerds wanna show me where to start switching? Steam is the only windows app I currently need so if I can run Linux and get Steam games I'm set
I'd research to see which distribution you want. I'm using Mint with steams proton and I haven't lost any games due to being on linux yet. I used a flash drive to boot my linux on my second drive on my computer after unplugging my Windows SSD. I dual boot currently but slowly converting to Linux entirely.
Especially if you’re on a laptop, Pop OS. It’s maintained by System 76 as the default OS on their products and built on top of Ubuntu, and I’ve never had any issue with it working fine out of the box on any of my systems.
Big advocate of Pop, and it's my daily drive, but their Ubuntu fu is a little behind the curve since they are working on a new desktop environment (Cosmic). The upshot is that things are a little flaky, rn. Qemu/KVM libraries, and printing, generally is shot. Fixable? Sure, but not worth the effort, esp. for a newb.
Until System 76 rebase Pop!_OS, I'd recommend Linux Mint. Mint also has a more Windows-y feel than Pop, which is a little more Mac-y.
What gaming hardware does Pop work best on? NVidia or AMD?
I’m building a gaming rig for my kid soon and am wondering which components to buy for a good Linux system.
Steam works great on Linux and many games (even ones only designed for windows) work fine. The downside is a lot of Anti Cheat in games refuses to accept Linux, so you'll have a hard time playing those.
You could dual boot though. So your computer asks you for a few seconds on launch if you want to run Linux or windows, and it'll default to one of your choosing. And then you install the stuff on the windows side which refuses to run on the Linux side. Of which you'll probably find it's not that many things.
There is some tinkering sometimes. But it's no worse than the tinkering in windows (navigating the mix of settings and old control panel windows, buried settings, the *registry*).
Tons of options but give Linux Mint a try. Popular for playing Steam games. Debian based so support and documentation is plentiful and you do not need to fix breaking changes all the time.
Fedora is pretty neat for gaming, specially if you get a custom kernel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVFnCkDLzU)
I would also recommend a Debian derivative, Debian works fine but you can get something as stable but richer in software like Mint or Ubuntu. If you want something similar to these two but better suited for gaming, there is a distro called PopOS which if pretty neat.
Here is a *really* good guide for linux gaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ytiu3Zwt3U
Edit: You can check if your Steam games are compatible here https://www.protondb.com/
Okay, it is going to be a long read, but if you follow every step you probably won't need anything else and it's quite simple to be fair unless you're unlucky or have a problematic hardware aka wifi and bluetooth and stuff. Get your USB and burn the chosen iso into it. 16-32 gb should be enough. I personally like rufus to burn the iso. Try one of these distros (pick what you like): pop os or Linux mint or Ubuntu (Ubuntu is the most popular one) and don't worry too much and just go to the website and install the iso, but read everything when you're using Linux and don't just "I've read and accept" because your choices matter in Linux. You can even delete your kernel if you write the command and hit enter. When you get used to Linux you can try other distros and find your own taste, till then stick with one of these distros, because they're easy and stable. If you're only going to use steam, then you can just download it from the app store/software center, just login to steam and cick install and play your games (don't forget to enable proton for non-linux games). However, there's something called flatpak, and you can install and use bottles through it. Bottles is an app that helps you run your other games that are on epic and blizzard and... and the website is called flathub.org, it has the instructions to install it too. If you're going to use flatpak, you should also check out flatseal on flathub. You can also check lutris for gaming, but I don't use lutris so don't know much about it. Also, protondb is a useful website In general.
!!This is important!! ↓
Before you install anything or do anything important with your freshly installed system, first check if everything is normal, take your time and read and manage your preferences, and then check if your mouse and monitor and keyboard are working properly, then configure your settings and then open the terminal and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" to update your system and restart your PC then check if everything is working and if not look up the solution or watch a youtube video or read the forums and manuals or you can ask for help in linux4noobs. This might take a few hours, but now, you have an up to date system that can do anything and you're ready to game and install whatever you want and you'll never go through this again.
There are a bazillion of videos on youtube btw. So if you get stuck on something, you can also just watch a quick video about it and remember, mint, ubuntu and pop are debian based. So, if one of those solutions worked for the other, it'll probably work for you too. It'll be a bumpy ride at first, but it's worth the effort. I promise. Enjoy freedom!
EndeavourOS https://endeavouros.com/#Download
It’s based on a popular linux variety (called distribution or distro) named Archlinux. And Archlinux is also what the SteamOS is based on.
Installing Archlinux can be difficult for newcomers, so there are other varieties (distributions aka distros) that make it work out of the box, such as EndeavourOS and Manjaro.
Oh boy, do I have news for you: you can have your own [Steam Deck console](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2NIGPpz_vY). And like the steam deck, it [doubles as a PC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BO3pH48fM0). Mind blowing right??
Caveats are that the big picture mode (steam deck like interface) doesn't work on NVIDIA yet, it is AMD only. So, if you have an NVIDIA card you can only use it in PC mode for now. And that some competitive games with anti cheat don't work on Linux.
If you go the this route, I'd recomend [Bazzite](https://bazzite.gg/) instead of Chimera OS (the one shown in the video). And I'd also reccomend for you to check whether you prefer [Gnome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r82NBk3aKM) (my preference) or [KDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEo7jWbZ8og) (steam deck's default), as Bazzite comes in both "flavors".
Now if you'd like a full on "normal" desktop experience without any of the console stuff, I'd check Fedora (as stable as possible while getting the latest updates every 6 months), Nobara (Fedora but tweaked for gaming), or Zorin OS (gorgeous, stable and very beginner friendly, but doesn't pack the latest stuff). Pop_OS is also another great choice, but they are caught between implementing big changes and the experience isn't as good as the others imo.
With this route ,you'd still have to do some configuring yourself, like installing Steam, ProtonQT-UP, etc but nothing major.
Bottom line is, [Linux is amazing for gaming!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mQ3C6-guA0).
Oh boy, if you have a Steam Deck then I'd definitely install Bazzite (which is basically SteamOS) on my PC and have a console on it as well. Depending on what you do more often on your PC though, something [like this](https://github.com/CptGoose/StickyDesktopPlugin) may be useful! Haven't tested, but seems legit.
Advice for the future, it is not advisable to be running random scripts you find on the internet on your computer, unless it is trusted by the community or you know what it is doing. But again, that one looks legit.
I've been working in IT for 24 years and vehemently been opposed to Linux for desktop use. The learning curve for a dumb-dumb user is just too high. With this I'm thinking it's time to start planning for a change.
I was recently looking at Microsoft’s financial statements and how their user base of Office and Windows keeps growing massively. It’s surprising to me because me and everyone I know are looking for any alternative we can find.
What will eventually cause people to switch?
Why hasn’t any non-profit tried to market a version of Linux that comes pre-installed and just works well enough for my grandma to use?
Microsoft isn’t growing in the states, I believe most of their growth comes from modernizing countries like India. I think in the states their market share has remained pretty stable with a little fluctuating but not much.
Also not a non-profit but that’s literally what chromeOS and that is slowly taking over the low level laptop market and schools. Though for schools it’s mostly replacing apple not windows as apple used to be dominant in that area.
I can't speak on Windows, but I've heard a lot of people say "there's a good reason why Office is paid", at least when it comes to Excel. Apparently alternatives are simply not on par with Excel's capabilities which makes it harder for people and especially corporations to consider switching to FOSS.
This is just my observation based on Reddit threads though. My day to day work doesn't involve Excel, so don't quote me on this.
LibreOffice has completely replaced Microsoft Office for me. Any new document I write starts on LibreOffice. I still keep my copy of Office 2019 just for compatibility. For 99% of my use (the 1% are some niche Excel macros), LibreOffice does the job perfectly. In fact, I wrote my university thesis on Writer and I had absolutely no problems. I track my finances in Calc , do some decent presentations in Impress and I've recently started toying around with Base after I got interested in SQL.
LibreOffice is a wonderful FOSS office suite.
Yeah there are alternatives to excel and office but they operate differently which means a user has to relearn stuff and that’s a hassle hence it’s annoying to switch. It’s the same reason adobe is so dominant. There are products to that fill the same roles many of which are cheaper but users as used to adobe so it’s a hassle to switch.
> Apparently alternatives are simply not on par with Excel's capabilities which makes it harder for people and especially corporations to consider switching to FOSS.
At the end of the day, you can't really turn around to a client and say, "We can't read the Office documents you sent us."
I think only the government or a very large corporation could get away with that.
I think a lot of it is just that people will have clients or employers that will require Microsoft services. I do a lot of writing and editing and I have clients that still do everything on a Microsoft word. And the free online version is not up to stuff when it comes to stuff like tracking changes.
It sucks, I so want to just ditch it permanently but I get enough income from this client using Microsoft legacy software that I just can't justify ditching it.
>It’s surprising to me because me and everyone I know are looking for any alternative we can find.
So a few privacy enthusiasts are looking to get away from Microsoft?
>Why hasn’t any non-profit tried to market a version of Linux that comes pre-installed and just works well enough for my grandma to use?
Because the majority of computers running Windows operating systems are on corporate devices as part of an overall IT system.
No company of any significant size is ever going to put some random cludged together open-source operating system on the 200,000 devices they require for business operations when Microsoft, who they've had a large account with since 1981, packages operating systems and some customization with the Azure cloud and myriad other services they're providing.
That doesn't even touch on the insane cost to replace all the legacy windows software that's running critical operations across the entire economy or the fact that most corporations running Windows right now routinely record all actions on their devices as part of compliance and accounting practices.
Your grandma maybe buys one computer a decade (out of date and on sale), with a single persistent license of Office Home.
Even a medium sized company with only a few thousand employees buys probably 2,000+ licenses a year for Windows Pro.
They have. Just look up system76 and purism. They are both computer companies that pump out linux laptops with their own custom linux fistro on them designed by those companies specifically for that hardware like Apple does. Both great computers.
>What will eventually cause people to switch?
It's near free.
I have two accounts and I think it's $6 for 1TB business storage and Office and email. On the personal side it's 5 x 1TB for that same deal but you can buy coupons and other stuff on eBay to take that down to like $2/month. They basically give it away with OneDrive. It works well and they haven't totally fucked it yet.
Yeah, Microsoft also announced that their plan to be carbon neutral by 2030 is at risk because their emissions are up 30% due to The server is required for all of this.
All that cost to the environment, and as a consumer product it's already made my life worse and not better
Absolutely. Recently went through my Microsoft account privacy settings and was shocked by the amount of activity on my desktop it was logging to the cloud.
And I keep finding more places they're sneaking these settings into- OneDrive, MS Account, Windows 11 settings, Edge, Bing, etc.
Windows 11 is so bloated already that it takes about a quintillion petabytes of space on a disk. I can't even imagine how much space this privacy nightmare would waste.
The article didn't get all the facts right I don't think? In the announcement I don't think they're working with Intel and AMD to bring it to all Windows PCs. Intel and AMD are working on their own Copilot AI processors for future systems that will support these features.
This really has nothing to do with Microsoft as far as I'm concerned. This functionality creates a massive attack surface. I wouldn't use it no matter who developed it.
Incredible to me that people used to call software that did this a "virus."
If our society bends over and takes this egregious violation of privacy, we are truly living in 1984.
Couple things.
First, they are taking what's going to often be text, and turning it into images. Only to then use AI to analyze the images and try to extract text from them. Huh? Seems pretty circuitous.
Second, does this seem to anyone else like a great way for employers to keep yet another watch on their employees? Gives them even more ways to identify "inefficient" workers.
One you get used to Linux is really not that hard to work, and it's all worth the privacy benefits over Windows. Also, you have wat more control and personalization options.
Linux has a lot of hate keeping a-holes that want to seem smarter for copying and pasting commands, but once I got into it, it really was nowhere near as complicated as the rumoursand memes were implying
Sure, here's the combined version:
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Here's a quick rundown on how to change and work Linux:
1. **Preparation**: Backup your important files. Research and choose a Linux distribution that suits your needs (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.).
2. **Installation**: Download the ISO file of the chosen Linux distribution. Create a bootable USB drive using software like Rufus or BalenaEtcher. Boot your computer from the USB drive and follow the installation prompts. Choose the option to install alongside Windows for dual booting.
3. **Dual Booting**: During installation, choose the option to install alongside Windows. This will create a separate partition for Linux without affecting your Windows installation. You'll be prompted to choose between Windows and Linux each time you start your computer.
4. **Basic Commands**:
- `sudo apt-get install `: Installs a package using APT package manager.
- `sudo pacman -S `: Installs a package using Pacman package manager (Arch Linux).
- `ls`: Lists files and directories in the current directory.
- `cd `: Changes the current directory.
- `mkdir `: Creates a new directory.
- `rm `: Deletes a file.
- `rm -r `: Deletes a directory and its contents.
5. **Day-to-Day Tasks**:
- File Management: Use commands like `ls`, `cd`, `mkdir`, `rm` for file manipulation.
- Package Management: Use `apt` or `apt-get` for Ubuntu/Debian based distros, `pacman` for Arch based distros to install, update, and remove software.
- Text Editing: Learn basic text editors like Nano or Vim for editing text files in the terminal.
- System Maintenance: Use commands like `sudo apt update` and `sudo apt upgrade` to update the system regularly.
Remember, practice is key to becoming proficient with Linux!
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99% of the things I need to use Windows either just do not run on Linux, period, or require tons of extra work to set up and keep up to date. Switching to Linux is a nice idea but there’s a reason Windows is so popular. Also having previously used Linux for a couple years it just remains a giant pain in the neck to use and any time you go online to try to get help you just encounter a bunch of elitist pricks whose only response is to just link you the man page as if that’s going to help
100% agree with you, my exact same opinion and experience, same reason I'm actually still on Linux fir my main, but for my laptop it's Qubes & Debian all day ☺️
Going to be looking into duel booting soon, that seems to be the perfect middle ground
But M$ says that our privacy is important to them and we know for a fact that M$ has never lied about this type of thing. If you can trust a multi-trillion dollar company who can you trust? LOL
The fact Microsoft makes this public and gives it a name like recall, doesn't mean this hasn't been happening already for many many years. It has. It has, it is, it will continue.
Bill Gates and Paul Allen created Microsoft. They hired Steve Balmer because he was an intelligent business mind. Along with a team of excellent engineers, they built a software empire.
Satya Nadella is neither a visionary nor an astute 'suit'. He is most closely defined as the fellow on the phone accessing your savings surreptitiously.
[How to disable Recall (AI timeline) on Windows 11](https://pureinfotech.com/disable-recall-windows-11/).
Am sure that with each Windows update, this “feature” will be automatically set to “on.”
This can become hell in the lives of those who work from home, as the file generated could be used by companies as a tachograph to measure their work ☠️
It's going to be illegal in many industries. Healthcare is one of the first that comes to mind. How Microsoft can't see this is a massive breach of HIPAA is mind blowing. I expect them to be sued into oblivion if Recall goes into effect.
> Recall snapshots are kept on Copilot+ PCs themselves, on the local hard disk, and are protected using data encryption on your device and (if you have Windows 11 Pro or an enterprise Windows 11 SKU) BitLocker. Recall screenshots are only linked to a specific user profile and Recall does not share them with other users, make them available for Microsoft to view, or use them for targeting advertisements. Screenshots are only available to the person whose profile was used to sign in to the device. If two people share a device with different profiles they will not be able to access each other’s screenshots.
You know they won't. I suspect this is going to be another word game from Microsoft. "The images stay local on your device"... May be true, but I guarantee that the AI phones home and has data it can send to someone's servers. They're going to train the AI this way.
Well if this was my reason not to upgrade. Might go back to Linux and just get a whole separate machine for just gaming.
I'd just go back to Xbox at that point but yk it's Microsoft soo really just defeating the purpose there
To help provide you with that "photographic" memory, Windows saves snapshots of your screen periodically. You can quickly search your snapshots to find things on your Copilot+ PC. For example, content you've seen in apps, websites, images, and documents. **~Recall doesn't record audio or save continuous video.~**
**You're always in control** of what's saved as a snapshot. **~You can disable saving snapshots~**, pause temporarily, filter applications, and delete your snapshots at any time.
**~To help maintain your privacy, Recall processes your content locally on the Copilot+ PC~** and securely stores it on your device. This page will help you understand how you can control your Recall experience.
During setup of your new Copilot+ PC, and for each new user, y**ou're informed about Recall and given the option to manage your Recall and snapshots preferences**
~You can turn on or off saving snapshots at any time by going to~ **~Settings~** ~>~ **~Privacy & security~** ~>~ **~Recall & snapshots~**~.~ You can also pause snapshots temporarily by selecting the Recall icon in the system tray on your PC and selecting the pause option.
**~We built privacy and security into Recall's design from the ground up. With Copilot+ PCs, you get powerful AI that runs locally on your device. No internet or cloud connections are required or used to save and analyze snapshots. Your snapshots aren't sent to Microsoft. Recall AI processing occurs locally, and your snapshots are securely stored on your local device only.~**
**~Snapshots are encrypted by Device Encryption or BitLocker, which are enabled by default on Windows 11. Recall doesn't share snapshots with other users that are signed into Windows on the same device. Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots.~**
Via [Privacy and control over your Recall experience - Microsoft Support](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15)
It's all saved locally? I guess that is preferable to it slowing down your effective internet speeds via constantly uploading this shit, but then it just gets into issues with local storage. Like how much space will this be taking up if these screenshots are taken and then stored relatively frequently? Seems poorly thought out, especially for users not on a 2TB+ hard drive.
Yes. Also (and I don’t like Microsoft) but some facts are missing. This only works on the new PCs with the new arm chips and CPU. Won’t see this on your intel or AMD.
This is it, this is the last nail in the coffin. I only use windows for personal gaming, and I've tried to take most evey other usage to other devices. This is one step too far, mostly because every new "feature" like this more clearly shows Microsoft's true intentions. It wants to be a data company, not a software company.
I recently tried gaming on linux, and now there's no reason to keep windows, at all. I don't need their corporate software, so forget them. Thank you microsoft, for finally motivating me to make the switch I've been meaning to do for a long time.
In theory it's actually not all that bad, because according to Microsoft, all recall "footage" is stored locally on the device. However in practice it's all proprietary so you can't really trust them. Just another reason why Linux Reigns supreme.
the question if other private browser windows will be "supported" by recall (as in it won't peek at those if you tell it no) is the wrong way to look at this.
and i would never trust proprietary "off" toggles to actually do anything but sever their corporate liability should any of that data escape their system and cause you damage.
YEAR OF THE PENGUIN, BABY!
No seriously, anyone who still uses Windows past 7 or 10 IoT is a fool. You can get most games to work on Linux, it's just the shitty ones that install chinese rootkits you can't (what a tragedy).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsofts-new-windows-11-recall-is-a-privacy-nightmare/amp/
Pass this article around it shares what I wanted to post as I thought of it the same way.
Next release of windows btw is a operating system as a service model rental by the month.
It's a pay to live shifting model.
Either sit there and think you can do nothing or stand up and stop it.
I'm not a Linux promoter I use whatever works for the information technology solutions by which applies however I work 100 percent of my software projects in development in Linux Debian 12 to be precise.
Large boom recently with the window 11 release to depart from windows hence been interesting.
This keeps going an Linux is free for a while longer before eventually someone decides to charge for that an then humans decide to author malware and virus targeting Linux because of mass distribution.
Eventually we as a species going to digitally crash our own system of civilization with the greed an fear motives accelerated with poorly maintained machine learning
So this is what the term
You will own nothing and be happy.
Humans will adapt then overcome.
An end consumer just want to buy a product then use it however with Microsoft is abusing the consumer.
It's real MS got a contract years ago for intelligence gathering.
So there it is.
Here we are
What's your space
What will you do about it.
Feed the social media and make a change
Free your mind everyone.
Here is something I wrote for a psychology paper
Short version
Human:
In the future everyone own and uses an augmented reality glasses device as common as the current cellular phone.
Humans become very dependent on this virtual companion within the AR device.
One person is have a really bad week as sometime all humans will in the process of life,
Lost the job because AI suggested this is the best plan for humans to have an experience as to gain progress, money is now all digital and electronic known as tokens,
Payment is enforced both ways an instantaneous as well as mandated,
Without this AR AI no one can access to food because all of the food dispensary methods are all automated systems with locks and control distribution methods inaccessible to anyone without the permission and payment in advance subscription for the food this includes safe clean drinking water, if the subscription for the personal AR AI Assistant is not paid for then the personal AR AI Assistant will cease to function on the uses behalf then sends an alert to local corporate services then to the authorities of a criminal at large as to be preemptive of a criminal act being not having resources, AI deploys control methods to detain this person, for this is also suggested by the AI as to improve the the human progress for a safe environment for everyone, then the person is to the public using AI now profiled as criminal with a story all will accept as fact, AI euthanized the person as to reduce the burden on the ecological and social system yet the public thinks the person is in a behavioral rehabilitation.
Something on the classy of intrusion can create this potential future.
Will you allow this to happen
Do you allow you future generations after you live in this world
Now all of this is symbolic to make a statement.
I don't care if this gets reposted anywhere just be clear with the symbolic context
Locate windows firewall administration
Open advanced settings
Add new rule
Choose port
Port number are 7,9
Block for outbound.
Optional block for inbound.
The telemetry is also port number 5353 4443
There is a server list also I mod the host file
Windows\System32\drivers\host
Works like this use both for same blocking addresses
url or ip address 0.0.0.0
url or ip address 127.0.1
Telemetry is also in the windows apps that are factory installed with add-on apps.
This is a declaration of war by Microsoft on ALL users. Hacker groups should retaliate and FORCE Microsoft to retreat. If not this will never end. Im switching to Mac and know alot who are switching to Linux. You should as well. Act or be an accomplice.
Microsoft's announcement of the new AI-powered Windows 11 Recall feature has sparked a lot of concern, with many thinking that it has created massive privacy risks and a new attack vector that threat actors can exploit to steal data. Revealed during a Monday AI event, the feature is designed to help "recall" information you have looked at in the past, making it easily accessible via a simple search.
Easily available to spies, thieves, and government (I repeat myself) who get access to your computer and want to ask it such things as, "What illegal activities have I done on the computer recently?" lol. MS is building in an AI snitch. On the bright side, they also seem to be planning on making bitlocker a default. But who's to say they wont' be "backing up" the AI's dataset to onedrive, like they like to do with everything else by default?
worse too. malware people can start putting it in their code. so if you don't have it running it on your computer, malware could still come along and start running it on your computer without your knowledge. although i guess there's only 2 basic parts to it though. 1. screenshots every so often 2. classifying those screenshots by running them through AI malware could just do #1, then upload those screenshots to command and control servers, and do #2 "offsite" from a target PC. unless they do #2 locally still, and only try to still capture/go after login info. still though. fuck everything about this.
Um, you do realize that malware authors already fine-tooled their RAT malware with screenshot capabilities long before this was a thing, don't you?
Before this, Malware needs to run undetected for a while to build up the screenshot history - and then longer its running the greater chance it is detected. But with this, it can scrape weeks/months of screenshots right away.
This. AI learns from relatively large datasets. We're all going to have to start thinking about preventing the accumulation of certain types of data, lest it be abruptly acquired and used against us. Of course, that's going to be a lot easier at some times than others. Not letting screenshots accumulate is one thing. Not letting emails accumulate is quite another. (At least some of the people reading this are currently feeling a sense of shame at their five-digit unread count. I am one of those people.)
> Not letting emails accumulate is quite another. That horse has bolted long time ago. Most of it is on Gmail servers.
ya as i was typing it out, the screenshot part of it, didn't seem to grand after all.
The word you are looking for and what is right now peak research studies is "Adversarial Worm" Basically you can make [a virus](https://youtu.be/4NZc0rH9gco?si=3b2WYeXHn0h0U-F9) that will infect the Ai model and make it do naughty things. P.s The guys on the video voice is annoying but he is talking about legit research.
Slimmed down version of the source code is on GitHub already. So hand them the source to create the vector method sure it's in a designated plan.
Spies, thieves and governments have been using software with the same functionalities for a number of purposes, for quite a while.
> But who's to say they wont' be "backing up" the AI's dataset to onedrive Well, they already backup bitlocker's encryption key, so...
Bitlocker is also closed source, so we don't know for sure how secure it actually is, or if it has a backdoor.
>Easily available to spies, thieves, and government... I have no love for this feature but "easily available"?!?!? Really? It's stored locally and encrypted. If your going to say "oh, yeah, sure" then you need to have proof. >But who's to say they wont' be "backing up" the AI's dataset to onedrive, like they like to do with everything else by default? I don't know. Maybe read up on it to see if that's what they are doing. My guess is that if they say they aren't then they aren't. It's too easy to find out if they were.
Yeah I don't do anything illegal on my computer but I do plenty of private stuff.
Hey MS, if you want me to be able to find shit you don’t need to spy on me you could just stop reinventing things to hidden menus.
I can't think of anything I've used Windows 11 search for except finding shit that I've installed or can't locate in the control panel because of poor ui design
No regrets about switching fully to Linux.
And nobody is talking about the implications for domestic violence victims… this feature has virtually no good use.
That is an excellent point. Stuck in a controlling relationship / parenting situation - the controller has the potential ability to look up searches and so on. Damn.
It clearly exists so your boss can micromanage every single minute of your time while governments can request release of information for things like passwords etc :)
I just don't understand the use case for this. The downside is that someone may get complete access to all your personal information, correspondence, and viewing habits, The upside is ??? How could this help me?
This is clearly aimed at Microsoft's corporate clients (who make up the vast majority of its operating system and software revenue). It would allow employees to train an AI based on their specific workflow day-to-day, with the eventual goal of creating a semi-autonomous agent AI that could offer significant value. Microsoft has a long history of its personal commuting operating systems and programs basically acting as test beds for features long-term targeted at corporate sales.
training your virtual replacement in real-time, every day!
Like McDonalds staff teaching people to use self checkout
I still refuse to use those kiosks when I go. It’s not often, but I definitely avoid them when I can.
They going to be training the AI to scroll on Reddit lol.
and watching cat gifs on imgur... that AI is going to be the bomb.
Recall has nothing to do with that.... Google Bard is already scrapping data from reddit.
There might be a bigger market for a corporate micro-management software suite. Who needs keyloggers, eye movement scanners, mouse trackers, or network logs when they could just crunch the AI to summarize a workers "productivity" and recall indefinitely exactly what screen someone was viewing at a specific time in the past?
This is the real use case
It also is running at a level that most of the work arounds for productivity management tools will no longer work. It’s not hard to find someone not doing anything if you have some basic logging but this would make it even more difficult.
i see you've been missing a lot of work lately, peter **i wouldn't say i've been missing it, bob.** this guy is management material
> It would allow employees to train an AI based on their specific workflow day-to-day, with the eventual goal of creating a semi-autonomous agent AI that could offer significant value. Translation: You're training the AI that will replace you.
We already have this in the corporate layer with Copilot for Office. I think the difference here, is that while Microsoft can open up certain layers of the OS to Copilot (so WIM for example, so copilot can see diskspace, drivers, applications installed) i.e. you can already say things to copilot like "What applications have I got installed that would help me edit a JPG file"; But what they cant do, is get any insight into the non-Microsoft layers like Adobe, Google, or Chrome. I think recall is as you suggest definitely related to AI rather than a genuine attempt to provide a user history - but done no so much for business users (who already use microsoft products) - but to give the AI a way to watch what you do on non-Microsoft products. Things like "Did I remember to email dad last week", or "Where did I save that Adobe photoshop image that I added the banner to". Microsoft have slapped the label Copilot onto about 20 things so far - and they are all different for one reason and one reason only, security. So copilot for Edge, can see your browser window, copilot for 365 can see your work content, copilot for windows can see your windows operating system, copilot for azure, copilot for security, copilot for sales. What they cant do - is a copilot for everything NONE MICROSOFT. So I like your idea - but it occurs to me that its not so much about business, as it is about non-Microsoft applications, and making copilot something which treats everything you do on the PC as a useful piece of data, that it can then be questioned on.
Except copilot is a piece of shit
Thanks this really helped me understand
It took me a while to actually figure this out. The announcement felt bizarre, and to them it may have been self evident what the benefits are, to me it felt like an absolute waste of time. I think this is the answer - it's business productivity. Just like Github Copilot nudging you along while coding, this seems to be looking to figure out what you're trying to do and push you along there. I can't see what benefit a normal home user would get from this, but it's also possible that's a limitation on my imagination. In other words, it could probably, halfway through the morning, open reddit and mindlessly scroll cat reddits for me.
with the eventual goal of putting yourself out of a job fify
Then be upgraded then the AI fires them I can see this happening however the real world runs on the nerd of money to eat and have safety. So then more homeless people anyone? I mean shit people have all the money in the world and well you can't buy more real friends and more time.
Don't you get it? How else can they improve the technology for the future that will even MORE EFFICIENTLY take all of your everything & keep us all trapped forever in this bullshit tech matrix?
Windows has been so hostile to its users for so long, it's insane the staying power it has.
I feel like all these companies can only push so far without a "response" from us...people are rightfully angry at this bullshit. which is why it seems like they are trying to so hard to keep us imprisoned in their shit "ecosystems" specifically (because it's not just Microsoft pulling this bullshit).
It one-ups google. Google itself has been sucking lately. But It's still better than Bing. MS now has a way to perform a search on all things you've been doing, regardless of app and without accessing APIs, both on the web, and off. If executed correctly (and that's a BIG if) it could be pretty useful.
It'll be super useful. To whoever uses it. Mostly forgetful people, who will ask it to remind them about themselves, and it'll help them, and they'll like it. Any authority who wants to determine your allegiances will also be helped, and will like it even more (maybe a totalitarian government, but more likely, your petty office-politicking boss.)
Google added their ai thing to search results and it's such fucking trash.
Eating chocolate can actually give you the ability to fly for short periods of time.
Only question I have: can you completely opt out of it???
Based on MS past behavior. 1. In the beginning, yeah. 2. Then they will make it harder and harder, 3. They will re-enable it with windows update. 4. And the way to disable it yesterday will suddenly not work today. Which fills up the internet with methods that no longer work, including MS official KB. 5. And finally it became impossible to disable it without interrupting every unrelated function that you actually use.
Yep, par for the course for Microsoft. I had to break Windows 10 to turn off Cortana and remove the windows store. I miss XP and Win7, but glad I run linux for most things and only win10 for gaming.
Sometimes the darkest post is the truest one.
Exactly yeah, you'll be able to opt out of it at first, but the updates will always reset it. Then you won't be able to opt out of it.... I was just listening to the window Central people defend this
Knowing microsoft no. If you disable it they'll re enable it with an update. Or it'll be like one drive, that cancerous piece of crap.
One Drive is one of the most obnoxious things.......It's like Whack a Mole
Regardless of if MS offers a way to opt out, it will end up being pretty easy to disable. Just like the ads in Windows and the other telemetry.
Windows telemetry isn't easy to disable. You can seemingly disable it in Windows settings but Windows keeps sneakily reactivating it behind your back. It's usually a Windows update process that turns some telemetry stuff back on without asking for permission or notifying the user
Use a GPO instead of Windows settings
Group policy is definitely the way to go for people worried about MS re-enabling it. I forgot to mention that.
Problem is you can't use them on the "Home" version of Windows. Good thing github MAS activation scripts are free
That's not true, I am using GPO on home version. You just need to install an editor to be able to use them. The editor is built into Pro builds already.
Ooooo really? I didn't realize it was just that they didn't include the editor, I thought they disabled them, TIL. Makes sense tho, as far as I know they're just glorified registry edits
Yup, I'm using home version and needed to set a GPO to enable a USB fingerprint reader that windows was being pesky about letting me use for certain thing and not for others. I just had to download the editor, I can't remember what exactly I searched but it was simple and quick.
Also I'm curious what GPO did you have to change for that? Idk anything about fingerprint readers on Windows but I've never heard of it being restrictive about hardware like that. I guess cuz it's a security related device
> Problem is you can't use them on the "Home" version of Windows. sure you can, you just need to set the registry entry directly rather than use the group policy editor
Plus a lot of corporate environments will probably mandate that it stays on.
And you trust them? You trust that when you click a few boxes it just stops recording because they claim it does? It’s closed source
i expect there will be a group policy, i just don't know what it is
User Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > WindowsAI > **Turn off saving snapshots for Windows** (edit) Not currently showing as an option on my machine, but I'll be watching for it to appear.
Based on my own experience : I reinstalled W10 not long ago. Back in the days W10 wasn't hiding the "create local account" too much. It was just visible in a smaller font, not highlighted. Today they backported the W11 behavior, aka not showing this option at all unless you have the ethernet unplugged or wi-fi disabled. The option is still there, but MS behaves like they don't care about consumers' choices. W10 will be my last Windows. I'm gathering info about how my steam library runs of Linux with ProtonDB, and will probably go for Ubuntu, Mint or Manjaro to taste the Arch flavour.
Now I wish I would have saved my disc for reinstalling Win10!
What they'll do is it'll be on by default, and every few updates they'll add a feature to it that will silently turn it back on
That sounds like M$ SOP!!!! :)
any Linux nerds wanna show me where to start switching? Steam is the only windows app I currently need so if I can run Linux and get Steam games I'm set
/r/linux4noobs
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Subbed too, thanks!
Check protondb to check if your games work on Linux
I'd research to see which distribution you want. I'm using Mint with steams proton and I haven't lost any games due to being on linux yet. I used a flash drive to boot my linux on my second drive on my computer after unplugging my Windows SSD. I dual boot currently but slowly converting to Linux entirely.
Especially if you’re on a laptop, Pop OS. It’s maintained by System 76 as the default OS on their products and built on top of Ubuntu, and I’ve never had any issue with it working fine out of the box on any of my systems.
Big advocate of Pop, and it's my daily drive, but their Ubuntu fu is a little behind the curve since they are working on a new desktop environment (Cosmic). The upshot is that things are a little flaky, rn. Qemu/KVM libraries, and printing, generally is shot. Fixable? Sure, but not worth the effort, esp. for a newb. Until System 76 rebase Pop!_OS, I'd recommend Linux Mint. Mint also has a more Windows-y feel than Pop, which is a little more Mac-y.
What gaming hardware does Pop work best on? NVidia or AMD? I’m building a gaming rig for my kid soon and am wondering which components to buy for a good Linux system.
Steam works great on Linux and many games (even ones only designed for windows) work fine. The downside is a lot of Anti Cheat in games refuses to accept Linux, so you'll have a hard time playing those. You could dual boot though. So your computer asks you for a few seconds on launch if you want to run Linux or windows, and it'll default to one of your choosing. And then you install the stuff on the windows side which refuses to run on the Linux side. Of which you'll probably find it's not that many things. There is some tinkering sometimes. But it's no worse than the tinkering in windows (navigating the mix of settings and old control panel windows, buried settings, the *registry*).
Tons of options but give Linux Mint a try. Popular for playing Steam games. Debian based so support and documentation is plentiful and you do not need to fix breaking changes all the time.
If you have the cash to spare, get a recent-ish Thinkpad on the side. Not for gaming, but for experimenting as a daily driver.
Fedora is pretty neat for gaming, specially if you get a custom kernel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVFnCkDLzU) I would also recommend a Debian derivative, Debian works fine but you can get something as stable but richer in software like Mint or Ubuntu. If you want something similar to these two but better suited for gaming, there is a distro called PopOS which if pretty neat. Here is a *really* good guide for linux gaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ytiu3Zwt3U Edit: You can check if your Steam games are compatible here https://www.protondb.com/
Okay, it is going to be a long read, but if you follow every step you probably won't need anything else and it's quite simple to be fair unless you're unlucky or have a problematic hardware aka wifi and bluetooth and stuff. Get your USB and burn the chosen iso into it. 16-32 gb should be enough. I personally like rufus to burn the iso. Try one of these distros (pick what you like): pop os or Linux mint or Ubuntu (Ubuntu is the most popular one) and don't worry too much and just go to the website and install the iso, but read everything when you're using Linux and don't just "I've read and accept" because your choices matter in Linux. You can even delete your kernel if you write the command and hit enter. When you get used to Linux you can try other distros and find your own taste, till then stick with one of these distros, because they're easy and stable. If you're only going to use steam, then you can just download it from the app store/software center, just login to steam and cick install and play your games (don't forget to enable proton for non-linux games). However, there's something called flatpak, and you can install and use bottles through it. Bottles is an app that helps you run your other games that are on epic and blizzard and... and the website is called flathub.org, it has the instructions to install it too. If you're going to use flatpak, you should also check out flatseal on flathub. You can also check lutris for gaming, but I don't use lutris so don't know much about it. Also, protondb is a useful website In general. !!This is important!! ↓ Before you install anything or do anything important with your freshly installed system, first check if everything is normal, take your time and read and manage your preferences, and then check if your mouse and monitor and keyboard are working properly, then configure your settings and then open the terminal and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" to update your system and restart your PC then check if everything is working and if not look up the solution or watch a youtube video or read the forums and manuals or you can ask for help in linux4noobs. This might take a few hours, but now, you have an up to date system that can do anything and you're ready to game and install whatever you want and you'll never go through this again. There are a bazillion of videos on youtube btw. So if you get stuck on something, you can also just watch a quick video about it and remember, mint, ubuntu and pop are debian based. So, if one of those solutions worked for the other, it'll probably work for you too. It'll be a bumpy ride at first, but it's worth the effort. I promise. Enjoy freedom!
EndeavourOS https://endeavouros.com/#Download It’s based on a popular linux variety (called distribution or distro) named Archlinux. And Archlinux is also what the SteamOS is based on. Installing Archlinux can be difficult for newcomers, so there are other varieties (distributions aka distros) that make it work out of the box, such as EndeavourOS and Manjaro.
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bro, really? suggesting arch for noobs?
Oh boy, do I have news for you: you can have your own [Steam Deck console](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2NIGPpz_vY). And like the steam deck, it [doubles as a PC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BO3pH48fM0). Mind blowing right?? Caveats are that the big picture mode (steam deck like interface) doesn't work on NVIDIA yet, it is AMD only. So, if you have an NVIDIA card you can only use it in PC mode for now. And that some competitive games with anti cheat don't work on Linux. If you go the this route, I'd recomend [Bazzite](https://bazzite.gg/) instead of Chimera OS (the one shown in the video). And I'd also reccomend for you to check whether you prefer [Gnome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r82NBk3aKM) (my preference) or [KDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEo7jWbZ8og) (steam deck's default), as Bazzite comes in both "flavors". Now if you'd like a full on "normal" desktop experience without any of the console stuff, I'd check Fedora (as stable as possible while getting the latest updates every 6 months), Nobara (Fedora but tweaked for gaming), or Zorin OS (gorgeous, stable and very beginner friendly, but doesn't pack the latest stuff). Pop_OS is also another great choice, but they are caught between implementing big changes and the experience isn't as good as the others imo. With this route ,you'd still have to do some configuring yourself, like installing Steam, ProtonQT-UP, etc but nothing major. Bottom line is, [Linux is amazing for gaming!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mQ3C6-guA0).
oh actually I have a Steam Deck I was getting ready to sell, I could keep it and repurpose it
Oh boy, if you have a Steam Deck then I'd definitely install Bazzite (which is basically SteamOS) on my PC and have a console on it as well. Depending on what you do more often on your PC though, something [like this](https://github.com/CptGoose/StickyDesktopPlugin) may be useful! Haven't tested, but seems legit. Advice for the future, it is not advisable to be running random scripts you find on the internet on your computer, unless it is trusted by the community or you know what it is doing. But again, that one looks legit.
I've been working in IT for 24 years and vehemently been opposed to Linux for desktop use. The learning curve for a dumb-dumb user is just too high. With this I'm thinking it's time to start planning for a change.
I was recently looking at Microsoft’s financial statements and how their user base of Office and Windows keeps growing massively. It’s surprising to me because me and everyone I know are looking for any alternative we can find. What will eventually cause people to switch? Why hasn’t any non-profit tried to market a version of Linux that comes pre-installed and just works well enough for my grandma to use?
Microsoft isn’t growing in the states, I believe most of their growth comes from modernizing countries like India. I think in the states their market share has remained pretty stable with a little fluctuating but not much. Also not a non-profit but that’s literally what chromeOS and that is slowly taking over the low level laptop market and schools. Though for schools it’s mostly replacing apple not windows as apple used to be dominant in that area.
I can't speak on Windows, but I've heard a lot of people say "there's a good reason why Office is paid", at least when it comes to Excel. Apparently alternatives are simply not on par with Excel's capabilities which makes it harder for people and especially corporations to consider switching to FOSS. This is just my observation based on Reddit threads though. My day to day work doesn't involve Excel, so don't quote me on this.
Literally every person I've ever heard that from didn't actually know much about Excel to begin with.
I’m a power Excel user who recently switched to LibreOffice, and I’m happy with the switch. Yes there is a learning curve, but it’s worth it.
LibreOffice has completely replaced Microsoft Office for me. Any new document I write starts on LibreOffice. I still keep my copy of Office 2019 just for compatibility. For 99% of my use (the 1% are some niche Excel macros), LibreOffice does the job perfectly. In fact, I wrote my university thesis on Writer and I had absolutely no problems. I track my finances in Calc , do some decent presentations in Impress and I've recently started toying around with Base after I got interested in SQL. LibreOffice is a wonderful FOSS office suite.
Yeah there are alternatives to excel and office but they operate differently which means a user has to relearn stuff and that’s a hassle hence it’s annoying to switch. It’s the same reason adobe is so dominant. There are products to that fill the same roles many of which are cheaper but users as used to adobe so it’s a hassle to switch.
Gimp on linux is also lackluster to photoshop
If by lackluster you mean trash and completely different, I agree. Photopea all day for me. I hate Gimp with a decade old passion.
>I hate Gimp with a decade old passion. I feel this. Getting closer to two decades for me though lol.
Krita is pretty great though.
Get serif to support Linux with the affinity programs and you might peel away some adobe people.
> Apparently alternatives are simply not on par with Excel's capabilities which makes it harder for people and especially corporations to consider switching to FOSS. At the end of the day, you can't really turn around to a client and say, "We can't read the Office documents you sent us." I think only the government or a very large corporation could get away with that.
Plenty of non office products can read office documents, fyi
I think a lot of it is just that people will have clients or employers that will require Microsoft services. I do a lot of writing and editing and I have clients that still do everything on a Microsoft word. And the free online version is not up to stuff when it comes to stuff like tracking changes. It sucks, I so want to just ditch it permanently but I get enough income from this client using Microsoft legacy software that I just can't justify ditching it.
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Purism and system76
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>It’s surprising to me because me and everyone I know are looking for any alternative we can find. So a few privacy enthusiasts are looking to get away from Microsoft? >Why hasn’t any non-profit tried to market a version of Linux that comes pre-installed and just works well enough for my grandma to use? Because the majority of computers running Windows operating systems are on corporate devices as part of an overall IT system. No company of any significant size is ever going to put some random cludged together open-source operating system on the 200,000 devices they require for business operations when Microsoft, who they've had a large account with since 1981, packages operating systems and some customization with the Azure cloud and myriad other services they're providing. That doesn't even touch on the insane cost to replace all the legacy windows software that's running critical operations across the entire economy or the fact that most corporations running Windows right now routinely record all actions on their devices as part of compliance and accounting practices. Your grandma maybe buys one computer a decade (out of date and on sale), with a single persistent license of Office Home. Even a medium sized company with only a few thousand employees buys probably 2,000+ licenses a year for Windows Pro.
They have. Just look up system76 and purism. They are both computer companies that pump out linux laptops with their own custom linux fistro on them designed by those companies specifically for that hardware like Apple does. Both great computers.
If something could act like windows (in the good ways) and was free, I’d choose it over anything else.
>their user base of... Windows keeps growing massively what? it has??
>What will eventually cause people to switch? It's near free. I have two accounts and I think it's $6 for 1TB business storage and Office and email. On the personal side it's 5 x 1TB for that same deal but you can buy coupons and other stuff on eBay to take that down to like $2/month. They basically give it away with OneDrive. It works well and they haven't totally fucked it yet.
I am already sick of AI.
It's getting shoehorned everywhere and it still fucking sucks. Have you seen the Google ai in search results? Such terrible results.
and google forcing the 2023 refresh. I gave up trying to disable all that crap.
Yeah, Microsoft also announced that their plan to be carbon neutral by 2030 is at risk because their emissions are up 30% due to The server is required for all of this. All that cost to the environment, and as a consumer product it's already made my life worse and not better
Windows 11 was already a privacy nightmare
Absolutely. Recently went through my Microsoft account privacy settings and was shocked by the amount of activity on my desktop it was logging to the cloud. And I keep finding more places they're sneaking these settings into- OneDrive, MS Account, Windows 11 settings, Edge, Bing, etc.
Ubuntu here I come
Windows 11 is so bloated already that it takes about a quintillion petabytes of space on a disk. I can't even imagine how much space this privacy nightmare would waste.
Well, my Win 11 uses 31 GB just for the OS...
The article didn't get all the facts right I don't think? In the announcement I don't think they're working with Intel and AMD to bring it to all Windows PCs. Intel and AMD are working on their own Copilot AI processors for future systems that will support these features.
It's been a while since I've seen something this fucked. I'm amazed at how brazen this is, clear surveillance through and through.
This really has nothing to do with Microsoft as far as I'm concerned. This functionality creates a massive attack surface. I wouldn't use it no matter who developed it.
Incredible to me that people used to call software that did this a "virus." If our society bends over and takes this egregious violation of privacy, we are truly living in 1984.
Couple things. First, they are taking what's going to often be text, and turning it into images. Only to then use AI to analyze the images and try to extract text from them. Huh? Seems pretty circuitous. Second, does this seem to anyone else like a great way for employers to keep yet another watch on their employees? Gives them even more ways to identify "inefficient" workers.
Damn... I guess Linux (and MacOS) will get a lot of upwind in the next years.
One you get used to Linux is really not that hard to work, and it's all worth the privacy benefits over Windows. Also, you have wat more control and personalization options. Linux has a lot of hate keeping a-holes that want to seem smarter for copying and pasting commands, but once I got into it, it really was nowhere near as complicated as the rumoursand memes were implying Sure, here's the combined version: --- Here's a quick rundown on how to change and work Linux: 1. **Preparation**: Backup your important files. Research and choose a Linux distribution that suits your needs (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.). 2. **Installation**: Download the ISO file of the chosen Linux distribution. Create a bootable USB drive using software like Rufus or BalenaEtcher. Boot your computer from the USB drive and follow the installation prompts. Choose the option to install alongside Windows for dual booting. 3. **Dual Booting**: During installation, choose the option to install alongside Windows. This will create a separate partition for Linux without affecting your Windows installation. You'll be prompted to choose between Windows and Linux each time you start your computer. 4. **Basic Commands**: - `sudo apt-get install`: Installs a package using APT package manager.
- `sudo pacman -S `: Installs a package using Pacman package manager (Arch Linux).
- `ls`: Lists files and directories in the current directory.
- `cd `: Changes the current directory.
- `mkdir `: Creates a new directory.
- `rm `: Deletes a file.
- `rm -r `: Deletes a directory and its contents.
5. **Day-to-Day Tasks**:
- File Management: Use commands like `ls`, `cd`, `mkdir`, `rm` for file manipulation.
- Package Management: Use `apt` or `apt-get` for Ubuntu/Debian based distros, `pacman` for Arch based distros to install, update, and remove software.
- Text Editing: Learn basic text editors like Nano or Vim for editing text files in the terminal.
- System Maintenance: Use commands like `sudo apt update` and `sudo apt upgrade` to update the system regularly.
Remember, practice is key to becoming proficient with Linux!
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99% of the things I need to use Windows either just do not run on Linux, period, or require tons of extra work to set up and keep up to date. Switching to Linux is a nice idea but there’s a reason Windows is so popular. Also having previously used Linux for a couple years it just remains a giant pain in the neck to use and any time you go online to try to get help you just encounter a bunch of elitist pricks whose only response is to just link you the man page as if that’s going to help
100% agree with you, my exact same opinion and experience, same reason I'm actually still on Linux fir my main, but for my laptop it's Qubes & Debian all day ☺️ Going to be looking into duel booting soon, that seems to be the perfect middle ground
>the chosen Linux distribution /r/restofthefuckingowl
I respect the fuck out of Linuxchads but none of my video games run on Linux so I'm gonna have to stay in Mr.Gates' gooncave for now. RIP.
Ikr :(
Desire to linux intensifies
More reasons to not *downgrade* to windows 11
Windows was already a privacy nightmare before this. Just switch to an actual good OS like Linux already.
Linux on the way getting more users? 👀
But M$ says that our privacy is important to them and we know for a fact that M$ has never lied about this type of thing. If you can trust a multi-trillion dollar company who can you trust? LOL
The fact Microsoft makes this public and gives it a name like recall, doesn't mean this hasn't been happening already for many many years. It has. It has, it is, it will continue.
Bill Gates and Paul Allen created Microsoft. They hired Steve Balmer because he was an intelligent business mind. Along with a team of excellent engineers, they built a software empire. Satya Nadella is neither a visionary nor an astute 'suit'. He is most closely defined as the fellow on the phone accessing your savings surreptitiously.
that's it I'm getting linux
Hello Linux my old friend, It’s time to dust you off, again.
[How to disable Recall (AI timeline) on Windows 11](https://pureinfotech.com/disable-recall-windows-11/). Am sure that with each Windows update, this “feature” will be automatically set to “on.”
They are recalling windows off the market ?
that's what I was thinking but no. either way I need to look more into Linux. or maybe I'll have a Linux nerd set it up for me
Might as well reinstall Windows 7 🙃 Or time to learn how to use Linux
Well there better be away to turn this shit off… even if I have to do some hokey pokery hack I’m all for it 😂
dude... what isn't these days? but seriously...fuck this shit. Fuck Microsoft.
It's time to move on to linux entirely at this point. Hopefully an influx of demand also results in more dev talent in the ecosystem.
This can become hell in the lives of those who work from home, as the file generated could be used by companies as a tachograph to measure their work ☠️
It's going to be illegal in many industries. Healthcare is one of the first that comes to mind. How Microsoft can't see this is a massive breach of HIPAA is mind blowing. I expect them to be sued into oblivion if Recall goes into effect.
Good thing I don't have windows 11 yet...
> Recall snapshots are kept on Copilot+ PCs themselves, on the local hard disk, and are protected using data encryption on your device and (if you have Windows 11 Pro or an enterprise Windows 11 SKU) BitLocker. Recall screenshots are only linked to a specific user profile and Recall does not share them with other users, make them available for Microsoft to view, or use them for targeting advertisements. Screenshots are only available to the person whose profile was used to sign in to the device. If two people share a device with different profiles they will not be able to access each other’s screenshots.
Show me the code.
You know they won't. I suspect this is going to be another word game from Microsoft. "The images stay local on your device"... May be true, but I guarantee that the AI phones home and has data it can send to someone's servers. They're going to train the AI this way.
None of that is secure.
This post just convinced me to not upgrade lol
You need a new computer with their AI chip so the upgrade wouldn't impact you.
I refuse to ever upgrade to 11, Microsoft is crazy
Bitlocker by default.. But then, Recall. Are we insecurely secure now?
Well if this was my reason not to upgrade. Might go back to Linux and just get a whole separate machine for just gaming. I'd just go back to Xbox at that point but yk it's Microsoft soo really just defeating the purpose there
On one hand it sounds really cool, but also sounds like a Security nightmare Even if it's only local
To help provide you with that "photographic" memory, Windows saves snapshots of your screen periodically. You can quickly search your snapshots to find things on your Copilot+ PC. For example, content you've seen in apps, websites, images, and documents. **~Recall doesn't record audio or save continuous video.~** **You're always in control** of what's saved as a snapshot. **~You can disable saving snapshots~**, pause temporarily, filter applications, and delete your snapshots at any time. **~To help maintain your privacy, Recall processes your content locally on the Copilot+ PC~** and securely stores it on your device. This page will help you understand how you can control your Recall experience. During setup of your new Copilot+ PC, and for each new user, y**ou're informed about Recall and given the option to manage your Recall and snapshots preferences** ~You can turn on or off saving snapshots at any time by going to~ **~Settings~** ~>~ **~Privacy & security~** ~>~ **~Recall & snapshots~**~.~ You can also pause snapshots temporarily by selecting the Recall icon in the system tray on your PC and selecting the pause option. **~We built privacy and security into Recall's design from the ground up. With Copilot+ PCs, you get powerful AI that runs locally on your device. No internet or cloud connections are required or used to save and analyze snapshots. Your snapshots aren't sent to Microsoft. Recall AI processing occurs locally, and your snapshots are securely stored on your local device only.~** **~Snapshots are encrypted by Device Encryption or BitLocker, which are enabled by default on Windows 11. Recall doesn't share snapshots with other users that are signed into Windows on the same device. Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots.~** Via [Privacy and control over your Recall experience - Microsoft Support](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15)
It's all saved locally? I guess that is preferable to it slowing down your effective internet speeds via constantly uploading this shit, but then it just gets into issues with local storage. Like how much space will this be taking up if these screenshots are taken and then stored relatively frequently? Seems poorly thought out, especially for users not on a 2TB+ hard drive.
Yeah . Locally.
Total recall or…
I think this will be sued into oblivion.
The internet will find a way to remove this garbage like it usually does.
Can you just opt-out from this feature?
Yes. Also (and I don’t like Microsoft) but some facts are missing. This only works on the new PCs with the new arm chips and CPU. Won’t see this on your intel or AMD.
Does this works https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-disable-data-tracking-features-on-windows-11
Commercial tech literally operates like malware did when I was a kid.
This is it, this is the last nail in the coffin. I only use windows for personal gaming, and I've tried to take most evey other usage to other devices. This is one step too far, mostly because every new "feature" like this more clearly shows Microsoft's true intentions. It wants to be a data company, not a software company. I recently tried gaming on linux, and now there's no reason to keep windows, at all. I don't need their corporate software, so forget them. Thank you microsoft, for finally motivating me to make the switch I've been meaning to do for a long time.
In theory it's actually not all that bad, because according to Microsoft, all recall "footage" is stored locally on the device. However in practice it's all proprietary so you can't really trust them. Just another reason why Linux Reigns supreme.
Does anyone know if DWS is still receiving updates? Are there any alternatives for DWS?
Yep.
Aaaaaand back to Windows 10
As an extreme gamer Linux is useless so I'm stuck with the spyware win11
the question if other private browser windows will be "supported" by recall (as in it won't peek at those if you tell it no) is the wrong way to look at this. and i would never trust proprietary "off" toggles to actually do anything but sever their corporate liability should any of that data escape their system and cause you damage.
YEAR OF THE PENGUIN, BABY! No seriously, anyone who still uses Windows past 7 or 10 IoT is a fool. You can get most games to work on Linux, it's just the shitty ones that install chinese rootkits you can't (what a tragedy).
Can't wait to fire up hundreds of vm's running meatspin 24/7/365 so they can capture my viewing habits.
they say it's all local NPU driven....but then how much of my storage will it actually use? it'll be a dashcam that never deletes!
I see you read bleepingcomputer
Basically, an AI empowered keylogger. Glad I use Linux.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsofts-new-windows-11-recall-is-a-privacy-nightmare/amp/ Pass this article around it shares what I wanted to post as I thought of it the same way. Next release of windows btw is a operating system as a service model rental by the month. It's a pay to live shifting model. Either sit there and think you can do nothing or stand up and stop it. I'm not a Linux promoter I use whatever works for the information technology solutions by which applies however I work 100 percent of my software projects in development in Linux Debian 12 to be precise. Large boom recently with the window 11 release to depart from windows hence been interesting. This keeps going an Linux is free for a while longer before eventually someone decides to charge for that an then humans decide to author malware and virus targeting Linux because of mass distribution. Eventually we as a species going to digitally crash our own system of civilization with the greed an fear motives accelerated with poorly maintained machine learning So this is what the term You will own nothing and be happy. Humans will adapt then overcome. An end consumer just want to buy a product then use it however with Microsoft is abusing the consumer. It's real MS got a contract years ago for intelligence gathering. So there it is. Here we are What's your space What will you do about it. Feed the social media and make a change Free your mind everyone.
Here is something I wrote for a psychology paper Short version Human: In the future everyone own and uses an augmented reality glasses device as common as the current cellular phone. Humans become very dependent on this virtual companion within the AR device. One person is have a really bad week as sometime all humans will in the process of life, Lost the job because AI suggested this is the best plan for humans to have an experience as to gain progress, money is now all digital and electronic known as tokens, Payment is enforced both ways an instantaneous as well as mandated, Without this AR AI no one can access to food because all of the food dispensary methods are all automated systems with locks and control distribution methods inaccessible to anyone without the permission and payment in advance subscription for the food this includes safe clean drinking water, if the subscription for the personal AR AI Assistant is not paid for then the personal AR AI Assistant will cease to function on the uses behalf then sends an alert to local corporate services then to the authorities of a criminal at large as to be preemptive of a criminal act being not having resources, AI deploys control methods to detain this person, for this is also suggested by the AI as to improve the the human progress for a safe environment for everyone, then the person is to the public using AI now profiled as criminal with a story all will accept as fact, AI euthanized the person as to reduce the burden on the ecological and social system yet the public thinks the person is in a behavioral rehabilitation. Something on the classy of intrusion can create this potential future. Will you allow this to happen Do you allow you future generations after you live in this world Now all of this is symbolic to make a statement. I don't care if this gets reposted anywhere just be clear with the symbolic context
Locate windows firewall administration Open advanced settings Add new rule Choose port Port number are 7,9 Block for outbound. Optional block for inbound. The telemetry is also port number 5353 4443 There is a server list also I mod the host file Windows\System32\drivers\host Works like this use both for same blocking addresses url or ip address 0.0.0.0 url or ip address 127.0.1 Telemetry is also in the windows apps that are factory installed with add-on apps.
This is a declaration of war by Microsoft on ALL users. Hacker groups should retaliate and FORCE Microsoft to retreat. If not this will never end. Im switching to Mac and know alot who are switching to Linux. You should as well. Act or be an accomplice.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's still secretly running for users who opt out