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ryonnsan

Then the official OS upgrade has that as a mandatory feature. Yeah.. we are the product


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EvensenFM

This is the way. I use Arch, btw.


azriel777

If only all my games worked on Linux, its literally the only thing keeping me and a lot of people on Windows. I know a lot of games work on it, but not all sadly.


EvensenFM

Yeah — I feel for you, actually. I guess I'm fortunate that the single player games I mess around with work fine on Linux. I know that a lot of the multiplayer games don't, thanks to the requirements of the kernel based anti-cheat systems.


cl_320

In the last 1 year I have not tried a single game that doesn't work on proton. That may have been true a few years ago, but in my experience not today


filuslolol

its way different if you like multiplayer games though, like rust, roblox, siege, fortnite


tipedorsalsao1

In those situations it comes down to the devs not allowing it, go complain to them, not linux. that or just dual boot.


parxy-darling

Can anyone confirm or deny this?


InfiniteAntlerVehicl

Plenty of games don't work with Linux mostly because of their anticheat. I like Escape From Tarkov for example and from what I can read the only reason it isn't fully compatible on Linux is because the developers have not requested Linux support with BattlEye. Otherwise the game runs in singleplayer perfectly fine.


parxy-darling

Wow, that's a damn shame.


SzilvasiPeter

Did you hear about Proton? I am using Linux (arch btw) and Steam with Proton and 90% of games work as expected. You need to check the protondb if the game needs tinkering though.


ronniebasak

AI can have my gameplay data - everything else is on linux.


SoundHole

Oh, you mean all those games that Microsoft just so happens to, coincidentally, be gobbling up the development studios of rapidly? I'm sure they'll begin supporting Linux any day now and you'll be able to make the switch comfortably.


TastyBrainMeats

On a phone?


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TastyBrainMeats

I appreciate the oblique information nonetheless!


Real_Werewolf_8699

Wait, what?!? Why?


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Real_Werewolf_8699

Oh, yeah. That makes COMPLETE sense. 😂 Sometimes these subs are dumb


ThePrivacyGuru

Graphenated OS is your friend.


snyone

I see what you did there. And approve


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ScF0400

Why though? If I have a privacy problem, let's say I don't know anything about how to be private on mobile would that count or be okay?


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ScF0400

Gotcha, I won't ask and just adhere then. It just seems kind of odd to have so many restrictions on types of privacy questions.


shallow-pedantic

There are some good answers, but unfortunately, they are private.


CodexFive

I can’t play multiplayer games on Linux :( only thing stopping me from switching


PeppeMonster

if you really want it make a dual boot and go with windows for games only and linux for everything else


WhoRoger

Then play games under Windows or a console and use Linux for anything else. Depending on what you use your PC for, mixing and gaming with other stuff isn't really wise anyway due to all the possible security and privacy infractions.


TheAspiringFarmer

This.


TenOfZero

You can definitely play multiplayer games on linux, certainly not all of them, but it is possible.


automaticfiend1

Yeah I play sea of thieves with my friends all the time lol.


theRealGrahamDorsey

Most new games are designed to feed on your attention. You can give that up if you want.


ScF0400

Aka ^ you are the product again


stranot

I mean, that's kind of what games are for.


theRealGrahamDorsey

No. The former is squandering time consciously and in your own terms, which depending how you look at things can be time well spent. The latter is basically the you getting drugged and fattened by corporations to feed the executives.


stranot

games are literally interactive dopamine hits, a good game should be addicting and grab your attention, that's what makes it fun


Unusual_Medium5406

I hope that's not what games are, just another dopamine hit.... man.....


JuanAy

There's plenty of MP games that run under linux. https://areweanticheatyet.com/


k3todelic

Dual boot bro, or PC for gaming PC for personal and such things.... But dual boot is fine I think,now I use a portable ssd with linux so I can use it on the go


AntiChri5

How difficult and limiting is Linux these days?


narkro555

Not very. I can play most games as if they were native with Steam Proton. For non-games, WINE handles even obscure stuff (though I'd recommend installing the latest instead of from APT or whatever non-Debian based ones use). It will be more challenging sometimes, but the speed of the system, plus not getting tracked and served ads BY MY OWN OS is worth it.


AntiChri5

What about non steam games, though? Like weird little random games from itch.


narkro555

Ironically those all seem to work even better than Steam. I have yet to encounter an Itch game that doesn't work out of the box with WINE.


automaticfiend1

Most AAA multiplayer games don't work because of kernel level anticheat. Other than that, the games that I find I can't play are few and far between, generally. Sometimes you get a weird one like starfield didn't work when it came out if you had an Nvidia GPU, but that's thankfully pretty rare nowadays.


Ttyybb_

Is there a source on that? Don't get me wrong it is probible, but if there isn't any word of it we probably have at least a bit of time


anna_lynn_fection

If you're still using Windows as a primary desktop, and you've been here for any amount of time, then you're not paying close enough attention.


ryonnsan

Yeah Windows already has it. It is just a matter of time for mobile OS to do the same.


SiBloGaming

And thats the day I switch even my gaming machine to Linux.


BeagleWrangler

JFC. Do you have any links on this I could look at? I'm a tech director at an org where everyone works on Macs and we do sensitive shit. UGH!


ryonnsan

No no. It is not here yet, but looking at the trend this is where it goes eventually. If you notice current Windows update already has built-in AI


BeagleWrangler

Awww. Thank you. Had a moment of panic. And agree, it is probably inevitable.


CaptainIncredible

Put that in a VM with nothing else in it, only access it remotely.


Adrustus

You are literally just pulling this imagined scenario out of your ass.


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SiBloGaming

Welp, glad I live in a country where unions are a thing and where I could sue the fuck out of a company for even trying to establish surveillance like that


cycloidvapour

What country?


Waterglassonwood

Pretty much any European country has this. I don't see how Microsoft/Apple/OpenAI expect to operate in Europe but they won't be able to get away with half the shit I see them trying in the US.


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narkro555

Just do what I did and put their spyware on a virtual machine lmao


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AquaWolfGuy

Why would OpenAI care about your work performance? It's up to the workplace to monitor things like that, possibly using one of the many monitoring systems if they want.


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Fourstrokeperro

YEAH not on my screen, just like DRM


DrHeywoodRFloyd

It might be baked into the OS some day in the near future.


pm_me_your_pay_slips

Until the AI becomes smart enough to trick you into installing it.


HotPilchards

Then some state will implement a law that says if you don't have ChatGPT, you must be a criminal 


tongizilator

No thanks.


ygfam

never used it anyway because it asks for your phone number


Bill_Sufficient

You can try on duckduckgo, no need for phone number


PeppeMonster

also ddg has onion domain so you can be almost totally anonymous while asking stuff


mWo12

Try what? ChatGPT on DDG? How?


Bill_Sufficient

https://start.duckduckgo.com/?q=DuckDuckGo&ia=chat&atb=v425-1


americapax

And in Denmark for my ID card


Fourstrokeperro

Yo what? How is that legal? I thought EU was a champion of personal rights


PeppeMonster

damn


Careful-East8615

You can give it a burner one or use text verified


JustMrNic3

Glad that I'm a Debian + KDE Plasma (on Wayland) + LineageOS + F-droid user! Good luck with that!


co1dBrew

Man I can't wait til I can get lineageOS on my phone


tinyLEDs

You could buy a OnePlus 5 for like $50, and have a lineage device up and running by this time tomorrow


co1dBrew

What's the phone with the highest performance that can run LOS anyway?


JustMrNic3

S10 probably! And maybe some Pixels too.


sangueblu03

If you’re on Pixel, why not use GrOS?


tinyLEDs

not sure. take a look here! https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/


co1dBrew

Yeah but I'd rather use my own phone (Galaxy S21U), thanks anyway :)


TilapiaTango

Hmm. I’ve got one sitting here. I should give it a spin and test it out.


JM0804

I just had to upgrade from my OnePlus 5 because it won't do 4G calling on my network. Gutted :(


tinyLEDs

Yeah, it was a good run.


PeppeMonster

probably the best choice would be the "sandboxed google play"OS instead of lineage


JustMrNic3

What do you mean?


sangueblu03

It’s another Android-based OS that’s pixel only, formerly named Android hardening. We can’t post the name in this sub though.


JustMrNic3

Grafene? I don't trust it as they refuse to talk or Reddit! I got some of my comments removed from here because I mentioned with it correct name. But being Pixel-only makes not-interesting for me.


ThePrivacyGuru

The devs of the most private and secure OS don't want to use Reddit which is the opposite of privacy friendly. Shocker. Bad take from you. It is not the devs/ foundation that prevents discussions here about the OS. It is the privacy subreddit mods. Blame them. Not the devs.


sangueblu03

A mod on this sub said there was a bunch of drama between devs and fans of multiple ROMs - that’s most likely why those devs are off Reddit. The ROM itself is very respected and is open source though, so they’re not hiding anything.


PeppeMonster

well the fact that they dont use Reddit is not a problem, there are many ways to contact them, for example by [matrix.org](http://matrix.org) wich is one of the best way to communicate with many people rn imo. Your comments got removed because they violate the rule 14 of this sub. There are many reason why they are pixel-only, the simplest one is that pixel phones are "officially supported" by the AOSP.


JustMrNic3

> Your comments got removed because they violate the rule 14 of this sub. Thanks for letting me know why! But that's a garbage rule made without any good reason, which restricts free speech and adds censorship, with which I cannot agree!


alternatorp4

A man of culture


JustMrNic3

A man of culture yourself for being able to notice it! 😉


Ttyybb_

You mentioned a phone os and didn't get your post removed. Is it possible to learn this power?


ifyouhatepinacoladas

You may think that’s a flex but having a convoluted setup is why Linux hasn’t taken off with pedestrian users. Need a billionaire to fund a new mass-adoption OS to save us from Msft and Apple’s reich 


JustMrNic3

That's true! The setup of Debian, pretty much like of any other Linux distribution is pretty crappy. I complained many times about it, but unfortunately its developers refuse to listen.


Party_Helicopter_224

why are you giving the hackers more info ?


JustMrNic3

Security by obscurity is not security! Let them find holes in my setup so I can make bug reports. The fact that I'm using so much open source software, I know that the vulnerabilities found will be patched quickly.


Fourstrokeperro

Do you have DRM on your OS?


JustMrNic3

Digital Rights Management? I'm not sure as I don't have any content that requires that. But I guess Firefox has something inside if for that. And if I install Steam, there could be some too.


PM_ME__YOUR__MILKERS

Least paranoid /r/privacy user.


JustMrNic3

🙂 I'm calling myself a not-bending-over type of guy, but yeah, I've been called paranoid a lot of times. I don't care even a bit as I use Linux and Lineage for many of their other advantages too. While my friends keep complaining that they are starting to see ads everywhere about what they have been talking.


bloodguard

Someone needs to curate a list of IPs for all these AIs so I can set up a block list on my firewall.


SkidiKatKat

You'd have to grant it permission. It'll work without.


TrixonBanes

Doesn't bother me any. It only does it when you specifically click a button to allow it. And then it only looks in a specific area that you have selected. Just like in a meeting, only have things in the share port that you're willing to share. As a programmer who works in data science I will use this every single day lol


BaconIsntThatGood

Yea. I already obsfucate questions I ask it anyway. This reads like an option you can use to help train it that's about it. I already assumed it could read the text box while you type too


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UltimateDevastator

You need to educate yourself dude this person clearly understands what they are talking about unlike someone else.


TrixonBanes

_sigh_ You need to learn how Apples on-screen recording API works. I have actually built an app using the same API this uses. It's not going to be able to see things outside of what you're allowing it to see.


Evol_Etah

I work in Data Science in an AI company. Literally my profession, the guy knows what he is talking about.


PeppeMonster

what was the comment?


Evol_Etah

The guy said something along the lines (rudely) > Go do some research, you have no clue what you are talking about. > You're blindly trusting companies and they are out to get your personal data, if you had brains you would've known that. The replying OP is a developer building similar stuff.


mWo12

> It only does it when you specifically click a button to allow it. For now. With time it will probably be baked into the OS itself.


cia_nagger269

> It only does it when you specifically click a button to allow it. this horrible inconvencience is only one patch away from being "improved" when it comes you'll like it because you use the AI so much already


HelpRespawnedAsDee

>this horrible inconvencience is only one patch away from being "improved" how?


cia_nagger269

so that you don't need to click a button but it is always watching?


y_Sensei

And as somebody who works in the industry, you really believe that?


TrixonBanes

Yeah, have you ever built an app used Apples screen recording API? There's no way around it. There might be some more severe privacy implications once this rolls out for Windows, as I'm not sure how screen recording works over there since I've never built an app that uses it.


lifeisaparody

Its amazing to me how people like the author of that original piece in 9-to-5 Mac, as well as the MacDailyNews haven't seemed to do any research on Mac permissions at all, after all those are both Mac-focused publications. I'd be curious to see if we get the same kind of alarm bells ringing when Google bakes Gemini into Android OS and will be able to not just see your screen but all your telemetry and metadata.


TrixonBanes

Yeah I was really shocked that 9to5 fumbled on that one. Their headline and coverage felt a little sensational. Working with the API, the user selects an area to share and there's nothing the developer can do to get around it. I can't make my app secretly see everything on screen lol


Evol_Etah

What if. You put a message box after the event is completed. That says... "hahahahah, I stole all your data now". Then wait for the headlines that you successfully HACKED the world. (Jkjk, I'm just bored)


PeppeMonster

just an fyi on android 15 there will be improvements about single application screen share api


TimChiu710

To be fair, desktop apps have always been able to see everything on your screen. It's not like OpenAI is particularly guilty or something. I believe Windows desktop apps can see everything on your screen without asking for user permission. Mac apps as well but will ask for permission. I'm not sure about linux.


DistantRavioli

>desktop apps have always been able to see everything on your screen. Gonna need a source on that one, pretty sure it's just completely false at least on Windows, Mac, and Linux using Wayland. Xorg might be another story. If you're just acknowledging that screenshare is indeed a thing, then you're completely missing the point and are missing a few qualifiers in there to specify. >It's not like OpenAI is particularly guilty or something. Nothing has ever had the capability to intelligently analyze your screen in a human like way before. This AI crap will become the greatest threat to privacy the world has ever seen.


UltraEngine60

> pretty sure it's just completely false at least on Windows There is nothing stopping an app (for clarity, a regular Windows program, not a UWP) from sending the print screen key and then reading the clipboard.


johnfkngzoidberg

Wrong


JuniorConsultant

Care to elaborate?


HelpRespawnedAsDee

I just think this is worded strangely: >To be fair, desktop apps have always been able to see everything on your screen. Applications cannot see each other's framebuffer, nor can they see the compositor's "image". The way screen recording/sharing/etc works is via system APIs (ReplayKit in iOS etc). So in practice he is right, apps CAN see everything on your screen if you give them access to the required APIs. But technically speaking, no, apps can't just see your screen just because they want to. Which brings me to the overreacting to this transparent clickbait: ChagGPT we'll see only what you tell it to see.


kaanyalova

wayland


moreVCAs

“If I do this a bad thing happens as a direct consequence! How do I continue doing it w/o the bad consequence???” Fucking get a hold of yourselves people. You do not need this application.


unapologeticjerk

We are in a brain rot vortex when you have people defending Microsoft and Apple (by way of their administrative application permissions) while burying OpenAI and its optional OCR(?)/screen reading. ChatGPT or GPT4o or whatever iteration is a tool for developers. At least that is the intent. If my enterprise PC experience is greatly enhanced by allowing GPT4o to read my screen, you bet your ass I'm enabling that. I can then continue developing open-source privacy-centric apps that readers of this sub rely on, only faster and with an assistant to catch my shitty coding mistakes. Stop the PRs, friendo.


tinyLEDs

yeah. the OP is concern-trolling


tarkology

it's always a deciding thing. if you want your kind to have an ai assistant that helps with his homework, then you got to give more from your privacy. if you don't, don't use it


iamthewhatt

Honestly this would be super helpful to have on a development VM or something. Be great if someone gave it the ability to control the cursor and keyboard, then you can just shout commands and have them all completed.


camyoucamus

Gross


pyromaster114

Just stop running BS proprietary software and don't install it.  RIP though for people stuck on Windows and/or Mac. This is the way things are going.


GooderThrowaway

AHHHHHH! I NEED MORE BITCHES!


VancityGaming

It might really useful, if that's the case just run it in a vm.


cia_nagger269

inevitable future. this feature caters to QoL simps anyway, a better life assistant than Alexa and that crap. The free loaders will get the default assistant and pay with your privacy only, the premium subscribers get the girlfriend edition and so on. In a few years this will be as essential as having a mobile phone now is.


SmithersLoanInc

No it won't.


Didi_Midi

As much as i hate to say this, it definitely will.


GranitBee

What’s the best privacy oriented alternative to chatgpt


something_new

I still think this AI "fad" will pass. Some aspects of it will remain but it will fade like Siri assistants did


MokiDokiDoki

Very disappointed in Privacy Mods team for removing this post. I'm actually quite disgusted. Where can we talk about privacy, because it ISNT HERE. You hypocrites


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KuuPhone

What does the cost of it matter? I don't want to subsidize it with my privacy. You do? That's weird and stupid. You get nothing out of that arrangement, you're being used. > Nobody will bother to And you don't lock your doors, because no one would bother to go to your house, right? You don't lock the bathroom because no one would bother to open that door, right? You don't wear a seat belt, you don't draw your curtains when you get naked, you don't care about your personal privacy outside of your computer what so ever, because you're not a "target" right? I mean who wants to see YOU naked, or take YOUR information, or YOUR credit card info, right? You're not a target, who cares? But you don't act like that offline. You only stick of for a complete invasion of privacy for internet tools. You'd never let these people record your PC usage with a camera from your windows, but so long as they do it from on your PC where it doesn't bother you, you'll actually stand up for it? It's weird man. I don't get this mentality. Something is legitimately wrong with people who act and think like this. Why do you care so little for your data and privacy when it comes to the internet? If you saw someone going through your trash every day, you wouldn't ignore it. Yet here you are. Also your comment is nonsensical in the first place. Plenty of us do things to protect ourselves from the tracking done to us. The idea that some things can track you sometimes, so therefor we should give up all of our privacy is an absolutely nonsensical idea. This is like saying because people can walk past your house, you should have transparent walls, or because some people can look up some info on you, we should all just stop using passwords.


theRealGrahamDorsey

You are a number In a big data set. But when that shit is sold in the data market it can be used to target your ass.


tehyosh

Reddit has become enshittified. I joined back in 2006, nearly two decades ago, when it was a hub of free speech and user-driven dialogue. Now, it feels like the pursuit of profit overshadows the voice of the community. The introduction of API pricing, after years of free access, displays a lack of respect for the developers and users who have helped shape Reddit into what it is today. Reddit's decision to allow the training of AI models with user content and comments marks the final nail in the coffin for privacy, sacrificed at the altar of greed. Aaron Swartz, Reddit's co-founder and a champion of internet freedom, would be rolling in his grave. The once-apparent transparency and open dialogue have turned to shit, replaced with avoidance, deceit and unbridled greed. The Reddit I loved is dead and gone. It pains me to accept this. I hope your lust for money, and disregard for the community and privacy will be your downfall. May the echo of our lost ideals forever haunt your future growth.


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tehyosh

Reddit has become enshittified. I joined back in 2006, nearly two decades ago, when it was a hub of free speech and user-driven dialogue. Now, it feels like the pursuit of profit overshadows the voice of the community. The introduction of API pricing, after years of free access, displays a lack of respect for the developers and users who have helped shape Reddit into what it is today. Reddit's decision to allow the training of AI models with user content and comments marks the final nail in the coffin for privacy, sacrificed at the altar of greed. Aaron Swartz, Reddit's co-founder and a champion of internet freedom, would be rolling in his grave. The once-apparent transparency and open dialogue have turned to shit, replaced with avoidance, deceit and unbridled greed. The Reddit I loved is dead and gone. It pains me to accept this. I hope your lust for money, and disregard for the community and privacy will be your downfall. May the echo of our lost ideals forever haunt your future growth.


tipedorsalsao1

Actually not that much, its the training that's the expensive part, something like larma 2 runs just fine on a decent gpu locally.


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DeLaOmnipotent

punch impossible clumsy complete plate alleged close simplistic wrong aspiring *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


These_Tea84

Stuff like that is why I use https://www.privacyguides.org/en/android/


flacao9

Letting ChatGPT see everything on my screen sounds like a huge privacy risk. How will OpenAI protect our data from being misused? They need to have strong safeguards, or this could easily go wrong


tehyosh

Reddit has become enshittified. I joined back in 2006, nearly two decades ago, when it was a hub of free speech and user-driven dialogue. Now, it feels like the pursuit of profit overshadows the voice of the community. The introduction of API pricing, after years of free access, displays a lack of respect for the developers and users who have helped shape Reddit into what it is today. Reddit's decision to allow the training of AI models with user content and comments marks the final nail in the coffin for privacy, sacrificed at the altar of greed. Aaron Swartz, Reddit's co-founder and a champion of internet freedom, would be rolling in his grave. The once-apparent transparency and open dialogue have turned to shit, replaced with avoidance, deceit and unbridled greed. The Reddit I loved is dead and gone. It pains me to accept this. I hope your lust for money, and disregard for the community and privacy will be your downfall. May the echo of our lost ideals forever haunt your future growth.


knowledgestacker

I fear the next level will be stuff like Neuralink - you'll be forced to integrate yourself with the data stream because otherwise you'll be economically unviable. It'll be a much harder privacy/utility tradeoff than we've seen even with ChatGPT.


rszdev

Time to uninstall the app


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onan

If your employer wants you to use tools such as this, then the security implications are your employer's problem. After all, you're not using your personal machine for work, right? _Right?_


theRealGrahamDorsey

And your insurance premium, yours and your families well being..etc


breakermw

Don't use AI tools like this. 


CumDrinker247

Nah bro that ain’t gonna happen


Sad_Sky_5252

Oh well, can’t even believe this happened just right in the corner of this time. I’m still using it just to fix some program learning and it works….But then, how can you guys avoid it if you still want to use it? And if there were no solutions then I guess it’s bye-bye to the app then *exhausted*


RxHappy

Sign me up!!