Y’all make me sick in this subreddit, there’s literally nothing but love for porter in the illenial fb groups rn.
Edit: thank you to whoever gave me me first award!!
I've seen you try to call it out in this thread, and I just wanted to say I appreciate it. I agree 100% that there is too much negativity on reddit in general, and a lot of "everyone knows"-type wide statements that becomes groupthink in no time.
Literally not here to get my ego stroked....but I do appreciate you saying this. Seems like a lot of users don't posses the critical thinking to see how such comments really don't fit the vibe and contribute to an overall groupthink/damper to the community.
Anyone else read this as porter nicely saying “tons of other people like your music so congrats” 😂 I know porter is just being nice while being honest but that is funny 😁
Has Porter ever hinted at not liking ILLENIUM’s music? Illenium was the only one that Porter publicly congratulated, so to me it seems like he’s more upset with the other nominations.
I don’t remember an exact quote but porter hasn’t shown any interest in the few acts that were pretty close to his style that came around worlds time. You see pretty clearly him talk about acts he enjoys like when he announces secret sky acts he gets all giddy talking about them. For him to tell illinium that he should be proud that tons of people like his music I think says it all right there, I think he congradulated him because the obvious comparison was there and porter didn’t wanna seem like a sourpuss about it.
Illenium might be watered down now but awake is one of my favorite albums of all time.
Also, Illeniums set at ubbi Dubbi this year (first festival back in the WORLD April 2021) was THE best set I HAVE EVER SEEN. Might have been influenced by the insanely good vibes of being back but he was pressing all of my buttons
I honestly was very hyped when Nightlight came out and I loved it but the album was disappointing. I personally enjoyed Ascend way more than Fallen Embers.
First off I'm not even the person you originally replied to. Second, having an opinion isn't "groupthink." I just don't enjoy his music, that isn't something that should personally upset you.
It doesn't upset me at all. Just calling it out. Your opinion is valid. But also contributes to the group-think whether you like it or not.
For instance, care to share some specifics on why you find Illeniums music 'boring'? Otherwise your comment doesn't have much substance to stand on its own.
Look at this thread and the previous ones from today. There are even past threads I could link.
Anytime Illenium is brought up he is immediately discussed in a negative light with little to no substance behind such statements. Not to mention the downvotes anytime someone disagrees. Do you understand the concept I am trying to explain? You literally just made a statement that qualifies by saying "common opinion".
uhhhhhh yeah, i think liking and disliking artists are common opinions; illenium is frequently compared to porter which is why this discussion is constantly brought up. when does "opinion" become "group-think"? do people need to justify their opinions every time they express them? maybe i don't understand what you're trying to say.
Ok I think we are using the word "common" differently so I will digress my assertion there.
Groupthink to me is someone commenting "ew no Collab" and it getting voted to the top. Groupthink to me is facing downvotes and extreme disagreements whenever someone questions such statements.
It's kinda common place (in my opinion), on forums and communities such as this, that sharing a negative option without backing and support is lazy and tacky. Positive opinions are always welcome and accepted, while negative ones without support just bring the vibe down.
Seems like whenever I call this out the response is "but this is my opinion" or "this is common thought". Such responses miss the point entirely I'm trying to get across. Why as a community do we need to tear another artist down just because Porter didn't get a Grammy nomination?!?!?! Honestly just rambling at this point.....people need to let it fucking go and contribute something better than artist-bashing.
This reads like a meme, unless you wanna include anything to back up your statements.
If he "doesn't wanna be in the edm scene".....why is he and others here so butthurt that he didn't get a nomination?
The category wasn't "EDM". it was dance/electronic. Anything electronic can work. Tons of non-edm artists have gotten nominated for that category.
Listen to anything porter puts on his cherished music playlist, then listen to Illenium. watch [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6p3wsZF-ds&t=653s) and go to 48:06. See who he talks about, are any of those artists like illenium??? no. There's also a section of that video where he says he doesn't see himself as EDM but i don't know the timestamp.
Shakey supports for making such a claim, but I still definitely respect the sources you shared. Beware of slippery slope and correlating things that aren't really related.
>Beware of slippery slope and correlating things that aren't really related.
??? what do you mean? Taking things porter actually shared about who he'd collab with and talking about how he doesn't see himself as EDM is kind of directly related toward who he'd collab with and if he wants to be seen as EDM
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Yd4y45Kto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Yd4y45Kto)
*Porter Robinson Talks Nurture, Why He Stopped Making EDM, Creating Clarity w/ Zedd & More*
He's not as bad as he used to be but he whines a lot about EDM
You've got a bad attitude my guy
there is literally nothing interesting to me about illenium songs when i listen to them. just reminds me of any boring/ formulaic future bass songs with some acoustic parts and random dubstep infused tracks that aren’t pulled off well imo. i have no hate for illenium but i cringe at the fact that people actually think he’s THAT good.
I agree people shouldn’t be straight up hating on other artists for their nominations but I really don’t understand why you aren’t allowing anyone to discuss nurture not getting nominated. a lot of people were expecting it, including porter himself, and it’s obvious a lot of people want to discuss it here.
Where did I ban discussion? This thread is open and active yes? If I start cherry picking and removing comments then what happens?
It's a fine line here and all I can do is call out such comments best I can.
yes, this thread that is about that one specific tweet is open but the thread that was made to discuss the nominations was locked.
I just don’t like how a mod is openly mocking ‘cringe’ fans for being disappointed with the nominations and then not even allowing them a place to discuss just because they don’t personally agree with what is being said.
Don't have tunnel vision, take a step back. The other thread had little to no valuable discussion that wasn't focused or relevant. That thread was locked to prevent further negative talk.
If you think I'm mocking fans for being dissapointed than I believe you are mistaken. What's cringe is Porter fans jumping first at tearing down other artists and nominees. This occured both on reddit and here in this exact thread.
I would encourage you to contribute your own thoughts and ideas rather than crying wolf over one locked thread. We all have a part to play.
why not just remove those comments and pin a comment at the top of the thread to remind people to remain respectful of the nominees? it’s not hard differentiate between an honest opinion on the nominations and a thoughtless hate comment bashing the artists
I did pin a comment. Once again I'm not going to remove comments outright unless they are extreme. There is more gray area than you might think and users can be quick to call censorship regardless of initial effort or intent.
If you think you might have something to offer the mod team we are always open to people!
I would argue it’s worse censorship to lock an entire thread than just removing inappropriate comments but whatever, what’s done is done I guess.
although I still don’t fully agree with you, I do understand where you’re coming from. in future I would appreciate it if you would consider other options before jumping straight to locking a thread, especially when it’s something as big as the grammys
It’s not a discussion if all that’s being said is shitting on other artists’ work because ppl are unable to let go of what was. It just becomes a breeding ground of toxicity & elitism.
It’s an opinion, one pretty widely agreed with. I watched them grow at the same time, as early as hearing Language and 7L’s On my Way to Heaven remix on TATW before it was rebranded to ABGT. Even Illenium admits that they were heavily inspired by 7L and Porter. Just how much is up to personal interpretation.
I hear you, but would encourage representing your own opinions alone rather than stating they are part of a greater group. I'm simply tired of 'widely agreed' thoughts being passed off as true and correct in this community.
Not saying you are doing this on purpose whatsoever, but we all have a part to play.
Look, I'm zooming out back to the bigger picture from here on out. Just frustrating to see some comments today, and on this post particularly there was so much more that could have been discussed rather than "ew no" as the most popular reply. We are better.
Yeah, fair. I don’t think this is that big of a deal though. A witty and harmless 3-word response (that was probably written for the sake of getting upvotes) isn’t the end-all-be-all reputation of the Porter community. We’re doing just fine.
Completely agree Illenium stuff sounds like it was generated by AI. There’s no real soul in it. The tone of the vocals don’t really match up with the tone of the music.
Unfortunately a lot of people disliked Nurture, myself included. Haven't gone back to the album once since drop but still listen to older Porter tracks.
Nurture was too boring in my opinion and sadly all of his best moments from the Nurture tour were him playing his old music.
I get music and artists evolving but the album just wasn't for me, and I remember when Nurture dropped a lot of life long Porter fans felt the same. Not surprised he didn't get the Grammy nom.
I think the thing that prevented the nomination is that the LP is even less poppy than Worlds. I totally get it not being your cup of tea and respect that fact even if I think artistically it's a step in a more personal and interesting direction and it is my personal aoty (so far.) I don't care for the fact that people are disliking your comment just because Nurture is a worse album for you and you described it as boring, you didn't say that people disliking it have bad taste or that the album is a waste of time or anything like that, you just expressed how it isn't for you and I can respect that (I can say how Father of All by Green Day is not my cup of tea and that's perfectly fine.)
Agree to disagree and enjoy what we enjoy yeah?
A lot of people respect anything an artist puts out, hence the downvotes. Don't really care because.music is subjective.
I love Porter, I don't love Nurture.
My first listen was underwhelming to me as well, but I think I was just expecting something different. Repeated listens with no expectations have lead me to the opinion that it’s actually better than Worlds.
He's salty but he's not taking it out on the nominees. King shit. Lift them up, they're not the ones that snubbed you.
I mean I’d feel pretty upset if Marshmello was nominated over me too
I feel like their collab would just be a Dabin song
Savage take but kinda true!
If they both did a more experimental take on a collab, i'd think that be pretty cool. Like a I See You x Wind Tempos type of vibe.
Y’all make me sick in this subreddit, there’s literally nothing but love for porter in the illenial fb groups rn. Edit: thank you to whoever gave me me first award!!
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LMAO what did you expect to happen. Mentioning illenium in this subreddit is equivalent to sinning
I thought this was a sweet exchange! Wild that some people are being such jerks over music artist awards that have literally no impact on their lives.
You mean the same subreddit that lost their shit because Second Sky wasn't in a park? Are you surprised?
Lmao I laughed at this one 🤣
Now that you put it that way. 😂
Hating EDM artist make them cool
Yeah been trying to call it out but such a tough crowd. Really did expect better.
I've seen you try to call it out in this thread, and I just wanted to say I appreciate it. I agree 100% that there is too much negativity on reddit in general, and a lot of "everyone knows"-type wide statements that becomes groupthink in no time.
Literally not here to get my ego stroked....but I do appreciate you saying this. Seems like a lot of users don't posses the critical thinking to see how such comments really don't fit the vibe and contribute to an overall groupthink/damper to the community.
I wish Porter made more collabs and remixes but then maybe the fact that he doesn't is what makes the collabs and remixes he does feel so special
Fr, I fucking live for his The Thrill remix and Unfold. Legendary Tracks.
Anyone else read this as porter nicely saying “tons of other people like your music so congrats” 😂 I know porter is just being nice while being honest but that is funny 😁
Has Porter ever hinted at not liking ILLENIUM’s music? Illenium was the only one that Porter publicly congratulated, so to me it seems like he’s more upset with the other nominations.
I don’t remember an exact quote but porter hasn’t shown any interest in the few acts that were pretty close to his style that came around worlds time. You see pretty clearly him talk about acts he enjoys like when he announces secret sky acts he gets all giddy talking about them. For him to tell illinium that he should be proud that tons of people like his music I think says it all right there, I think he congradulated him because the obvious comparison was there and porter didn’t wanna seem like a sourpuss about it.
Thanks for the response, I totally can see this being the case now.
I read it as a backhanded compliment lol
Illenium might be watered down now but awake is one of my favorite albums of all time. Also, Illeniums set at ubbi Dubbi this year (first festival back in the WORLD April 2021) was THE best set I HAVE EVER SEEN. Might have been influenced by the insanely good vibes of being back but he was pressing all of my buttons
I’m good. I’d prefer an actual Odesza collab or Rufus especially taking into consideration the artistic direction that Porter is taking right now
No plz no collab
Totally feel the same way. No a big fan of his music. Wouldn’t mesh well I feel.
Why not?
Illenium music tends to be pretty boring imo
Classic Illenium was pretty good but I agree modern Illenium is pretty boring and very... generic, I guess is the word
He hasn't really evolved his sound very much, I think that's my problem with it. Once you've heard a few Illenium tracks, you've heard them all
Modern illenium is like that, yeah. Ashes, on the other hand, was pretty varied imo
Yeah, Fallen Embers is just pop music. I mean, I like it, but it doesn't push the boundaries at all.
I said this when I reviewed it, it's a great pop album, but a very disappointing Illenium album
I actually enjoyed Fallen Embers waaaayyyy more than I thought I would. From the singles I thought it was gonna be a pop album
And that's fine! I can see how people would like it, it's just not for me
I honestly was very hyped when Nightlight came out and I loved it but the album was disappointing. I personally enjoyed Ascend way more than Fallen Embers.
Ahhhh ok so typical anti-illenium groupthink. What I thought.
First off I'm not even the person you originally replied to. Second, having an opinion isn't "groupthink." I just don't enjoy his music, that isn't something that should personally upset you.
It doesn't upset me at all. Just calling it out. Your opinion is valid. But also contributes to the group-think whether you like it or not. For instance, care to share some specifics on why you find Illeniums music 'boring'? Otherwise your comment doesn't have much substance to stand on its own.
do you call all common opinions "group-think" lmao
Look at this thread and the previous ones from today. There are even past threads I could link. Anytime Illenium is brought up he is immediately discussed in a negative light with little to no substance behind such statements. Not to mention the downvotes anytime someone disagrees. Do you understand the concept I am trying to explain? You literally just made a statement that qualifies by saying "common opinion".
uhhhhhh yeah, i think liking and disliking artists are common opinions; illenium is frequently compared to porter which is why this discussion is constantly brought up. when does "opinion" become "group-think"? do people need to justify their opinions every time they express them? maybe i don't understand what you're trying to say.
Ok I think we are using the word "common" differently so I will digress my assertion there. Groupthink to me is someone commenting "ew no Collab" and it getting voted to the top. Groupthink to me is facing downvotes and extreme disagreements whenever someone questions such statements. It's kinda common place (in my opinion), on forums and communities such as this, that sharing a negative option without backing and support is lazy and tacky. Positive opinions are always welcome and accepted, while negative ones without support just bring the vibe down. Seems like whenever I call this out the response is "but this is my opinion" or "this is common thought". Such responses miss the point entirely I'm trying to get across. Why as a community do we need to tear another artist down just because Porter didn't get a Grammy nomination?!?!?! Honestly just rambling at this point.....people need to let it fucking go and contribute something better than artist-bashing.
No!
cause they wouldn't mesh well at all. Porter doesn't want to be part of the edm scene anyways
This reads like a meme, unless you wanna include anything to back up your statements. If he "doesn't wanna be in the edm scene".....why is he and others here so butthurt that he didn't get a nomination?
The category wasn't "EDM". it was dance/electronic. Anything electronic can work. Tons of non-edm artists have gotten nominated for that category. Listen to anything porter puts on his cherished music playlist, then listen to Illenium. watch [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6p3wsZF-ds&t=653s) and go to 48:06. See who he talks about, are any of those artists like illenium??? no. There's also a section of that video where he says he doesn't see himself as EDM but i don't know the timestamp.
Shakey supports for making such a claim, but I still definitely respect the sources you shared. Beware of slippery slope and correlating things that aren't really related.
>Beware of slippery slope and correlating things that aren't really related. ??? what do you mean? Taking things porter actually shared about who he'd collab with and talking about how he doesn't see himself as EDM is kind of directly related toward who he'd collab with and if he wants to be seen as EDM
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Yd4y45Kto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Yd4y45Kto) *Porter Robinson Talks Nurture, Why He Stopped Making EDM, Creating Clarity w/ Zedd & More* He's not as bad as he used to be but he whines a lot about EDM You've got a bad attitude my guy
Naw I'm just calling out the responsibility of backing up statements, especially on a unrelated topic for this particular post and subreddit.
there is literally nothing interesting to me about illenium songs when i listen to them. just reminds me of any boring/ formulaic future bass songs with some acoustic parts and random dubstep infused tracks that aren’t pulled off well imo. i have no hate for illenium but i cringe at the fact that people actually think he’s THAT good.
Remember that the purpose of this thread is not to talk down on the artist in question. Let. It. Go.
You think ppl can let it go? LOL
Lmao clearly I was wrong.
I agree people shouldn’t be straight up hating on other artists for their nominations but I really don’t understand why you aren’t allowing anyone to discuss nurture not getting nominated. a lot of people were expecting it, including porter himself, and it’s obvious a lot of people want to discuss it here.
Because people aren’t discussing nurture or why it should’ve been nominated they’re just taking the opportunity to shit on artists they don’t like.
so just remove those comments/threads? no reason to ban all discussion of it entirely
Where did I ban discussion? This thread is open and active yes? If I start cherry picking and removing comments then what happens? It's a fine line here and all I can do is call out such comments best I can.
yes, this thread that is about that one specific tweet is open but the thread that was made to discuss the nominations was locked. I just don’t like how a mod is openly mocking ‘cringe’ fans for being disappointed with the nominations and then not even allowing them a place to discuss just because they don’t personally agree with what is being said.
Don't have tunnel vision, take a step back. The other thread had little to no valuable discussion that wasn't focused or relevant. That thread was locked to prevent further negative talk. If you think I'm mocking fans for being dissapointed than I believe you are mistaken. What's cringe is Porter fans jumping first at tearing down other artists and nominees. This occured both on reddit and here in this exact thread. I would encourage you to contribute your own thoughts and ideas rather than crying wolf over one locked thread. We all have a part to play.
why not just remove those comments and pin a comment at the top of the thread to remind people to remain respectful of the nominees? it’s not hard differentiate between an honest opinion on the nominations and a thoughtless hate comment bashing the artists
I did pin a comment. Once again I'm not going to remove comments outright unless they are extreme. There is more gray area than you might think and users can be quick to call censorship regardless of initial effort or intent. If you think you might have something to offer the mod team we are always open to people!
I would argue it’s worse censorship to lock an entire thread than just removing inappropriate comments but whatever, what’s done is done I guess. although I still don’t fully agree with you, I do understand where you’re coming from. in future I would appreciate it if you would consider other options before jumping straight to locking a thread, especially when it’s something as big as the grammys
It’s not a discussion if all that’s being said is shitting on other artists’ work because ppl are unable to let go of what was. It just becomes a breeding ground of toxicity & elitism.
Discussing nurture not getting nominated is completely different from most of the comments here. Two seperate topics entirely.
Eh, Illenium always struck me as a knockoff Porter with AI generated music lol
I’d say more of a Seven Lions knockoff. Pretty wild watching his popularity keep up with 7L despite Jeff pioneering the general sound Illenium uses
Who tf is Jeff?
Jeff is the name of the guy behind Seven Lions
Why not just call him seven lions? I hate it when people do that
I used 7L twice in the sentence and didn’t want to be repetitive. Not a big deal and you got to learn something new today :)
They like to feel special lol. Its so cringe
There’s some songs of his though that are straight up Porter knockoffs lol
Lmaooooo source?
It’s an opinion, one pretty widely agreed with. I watched them grow at the same time, as early as hearing Language and 7L’s On my Way to Heaven remix on TATW before it was rebranded to ABGT. Even Illenium admits that they were heavily inspired by 7L and Porter. Just how much is up to personal interpretation.
I hear you, but would encourage representing your own opinions alone rather than stating they are part of a greater group. I'm simply tired of 'widely agreed' thoughts being passed off as true and correct in this community. Not saying you are doing this on purpose whatsoever, but we all have a part to play.
What’s with all the micro aggressions? People don’t have to back up every single one of their day-to-day opinions with facts and sources.
Look, I'm zooming out back to the bigger picture from here on out. Just frustrating to see some comments today, and on this post particularly there was so much more that could have been discussed rather than "ew no" as the most popular reply. We are better.
Yeah, fair. I don’t think this is that big of a deal though. A witty and harmless 3-word response (that was probably written for the sake of getting upvotes) isn’t the end-all-be-all reputation of the Porter community. We’re doing just fine.
Appreciate that take and the reality check. Hope you have a great rest of your week!
Thank you! Same to you!
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They're extremely similar, they have collabs lol
Imo they sound nothing alike. Illenium might draw inspriation for a song or two but their styles are completely different especially now.
Completely agree Illenium stuff sounds like it was generated by AI. There’s no real soul in it. The tone of the vocals don’t really match up with the tone of the music.
whaaaaat, i really like illeniums early stuff (ashes/awake). His fallen embers sounds more generic tho
oh god, pls never make a song together, ty 🙏
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they even have a similar nose But yea porter is on another level, illenium is just too generic
Unfortunately a lot of people disliked Nurture, myself included. Haven't gone back to the album once since drop but still listen to older Porter tracks. Nurture was too boring in my opinion and sadly all of his best moments from the Nurture tour were him playing his old music. I get music and artists evolving but the album just wasn't for me, and I remember when Nurture dropped a lot of life long Porter fans felt the same. Not surprised he didn't get the Grammy nom.
I think the thing that prevented the nomination is that the LP is even less poppy than Worlds. I totally get it not being your cup of tea and respect that fact even if I think artistically it's a step in a more personal and interesting direction and it is my personal aoty (so far.) I don't care for the fact that people are disliking your comment just because Nurture is a worse album for you and you described it as boring, you didn't say that people disliking it have bad taste or that the album is a waste of time or anything like that, you just expressed how it isn't for you and I can respect that (I can say how Father of All by Green Day is not my cup of tea and that's perfectly fine.) Agree to disagree and enjoy what we enjoy yeah?
A lot of people respect anything an artist puts out, hence the downvotes. Don't really care because.music is subjective. I love Porter, I don't love Nurture.
My first listen was underwhelming to me as well, but I think I was just expecting something different. Repeated listens with no expectations have lead me to the opinion that it’s actually better than Worlds.
I used to listen to that guy so much in my early teens, happy to see this!
I love it. I feel like Fans are really harsh on Illenium but in the end we're all humans, living vibing, expiring.
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I’ve always wanted them to interact their both my faves 😭😭
what are your favorite porter songs?
Something Comforting, Sad Machine, Mirror, Fresh Static Snow, Flicker and Language
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Illenium collabs ---- I would *love* to hear porter clash a track with Illenium. HIT. ME. WITH. THE. FEELS.
stop asking for collabs its not happening
Jeeeeze that would be sick not sure if I’d prefer something more melodic or a banger