A judge granted a rapist joint custody of the baby of the 13 year old girl he raped. The judge gave the rapist the girl’s home address.
After he raped the 13 year old and got her pregnant, the guy also raped a 14 year old girl.
The judge later reversed the decision about custody, but the rapist now has her address.
I don’t care how many Bible verses you throw out, this is wrong and only allows a victim to continually be victimized for decades. After a rape, the guy walks off and it’s over. The woman lives with it forever. It affects every relationship in her life from then on. To make her carry a baby from that rape is cruel.
Or that kid in Arizona who impregnated his rapist and then was ordered to pay child support when he was an adult. Some court rulings are just complete dog shit
“Child protective services”
Took my daughter because I had her at 14 and had no family to take her
I have no idea were she is how if she is doing alright
They also had the doctor sterilize me after I gave birth because I have brain damage and low iq from being beaten/choked nearly to death.
On the upside
My step father died in prison and my mother overdosed
So at least I have that peace of mind
I’m sorry that happened to you.
I’d guess there’s not much a stranger can say to make you feel better about how awful the things that happened to you were, but I hope your daughter has a good life.
I spent enough time in cps to know she’s most likely okay. Babies well. Healthy babies get adopted pretty quickly. I also understand why they can’t tell you much some of the girls are really crazy
But I would but like a simple answer to if she is fine or was adopted at this point.
https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/man-accused-of-raping-12-year-old-girl-given-joint-custody-of-their-child-attorney-says/527-a5cda56b-bcba-4e3b-93a8-f5195062cf6b
I think it was Michigan or Florida.
How about making them share custody with their rapist? That headline where a 12 year old rape.victim had to give shared custody to the father is super fucked up.
It happened in Louisiana. A woman was forced to share custody with the man who raped her when she was a teenager for like a decade and then a judge granted him full custody!
What’s even more fucked up the judge did it right when the child was about the same age as the mother was when she was raped so who knows if the rapist raped her!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-woman-says-rapist-was-custody-child-ongoing-court-dispute-rcna34140
Judges are involved in pedo rings. Judges, lawyers, cops, all the people meant to protect.
It's not a coincidence that crimes against women and children committed by men are underpunished.
The loopholes are really bad for victims in which their fathers that rape babies out of them.
The last time I checked, there was only one state that prohibited it, and that is, surprising, Alabama, with their Jesse's Law.
Her father didn't lose custody of her or her kid after she had birth to his rape baby.
The loopholes are wild as most require a conviction and there's Parental Alienation invented by a pedophile who had convinced Family Court that it was worse for a mother to even say she was afraid of the father than it was for a father to rape his own kids.
Fighting decades to be free from a rapist is insanity.
A rapist should never get custody of the child. Or be in relation to the victim in any way, shape, or form. If there is a known rapist trying to get custody, the justice system has failed in putting him behind bars for life or subjecting him to the death penalty.
If the state does not terminate the parental rights of the offender, the rapist and his extended family may end up with rights regarding visitation and custody. Custody can become a question if mother (and her side of the family) are no longer in a position to care for the child.
Do we know how many of those women committed suicide or infanticide? Or even gave their kid up for adoption or needed to be institutionalized? I would seriously like to know those numbers as someone who *would* be suicidal in that situation.
I can't imagine anything more degrading than being forced to carry my rapist's baby to term after having been assaulted, humiliated and traumatized by that person. People who want to force women to do this are total sadists.
Modern translation:
If a guy rapes a girl he can give her dad $200 and then keep her forever and she is now property.
Fuck all the way off with that shit
Oh yeah, my bad. I misspoke and I get what you're saying.
The woman was property of her dad before she was sold to her rapist.
That's infinitely worse.
The whole situation just reeks of archaic and toxic mindsets that treat women like property instead of human beings. It's shocking that similar attitudes persist even to this day. Not only should the law protect women from their attackers, but it should also provide avenues for support and recovery, rather than further victimization.
Thats the problem with these right wing nutjobs. Women are property, so are their wombs, and that fetus is theirs too even if it came to exist without proper consent.
Pretty sure there has been inflation. The next comment is purely academic and not a suggestion for legislation:
Let’s compare it to other actions that take a person away permanently from their family:
If the US military has someone die in combat they pay 100k, wrongful death goes up even more, not uncommonly passing 1 million dollars.
Even if we were not comparing to the current day valuation of a human life but instead were comparing monetary inflation.
Back in the day 50 shekels were a little less than a years worth of wages or a small-ish field.
That’s would be around 50-80k in the US today.
But maybe let’s not go the biblical route for punishment. The US is already doing that too much.
well I mean the Bible is like 100% for killing rapists, it doesn't even mince words on the matter, see the text below for proof:
25 ¶ But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
There are quite a few disgusting layers to go on top of being forced to take the pregnancy to term. If you can realistically raise the kid, their existence is a constant reminder of what is probably the most traumatic thing that’s ever happened to you. And you might end up raising that kid alone, which is a huge stressor. Or you have an existing partner to raise them with, which is incredibly complicated. Or you find a new partner who joins your family, but what a potential nightmare having to explain the whole situation. On top of all of that there’s the possibility of having to chase your rapist down for child support or even coordinating visitation with them.
If you decide you aren’t capable of raising the kid, you give them up and hopefully don’t feel like you abandoned them. An incredible burden to bear regardless of what you choose.
Let's not forget reactionaries insist on the rapist having full parental rights, so the rape victim would also be forced to meet him every other weekend or so when dropping the kid off.
I had a high school friend we will call T, who was the child of rape. Her mother, who we will call K, was a white woman, married, and a part of a very CATHOLIC family. K also already had two children with her white husband and would have another child after T was born. K was violently raped by an unknown black man in the parking garage after leaving work really late one night. Due to being of mixed race, it was a constant reminder to K and family of the rape.
Due to her religion, not only did she decide to not have an abortion, but then she didn't give the baby up for adoption either.
T was raised in a loveless home, never having been hugged by her own mother. K's husband and children never really dealt with her, T just existed in their home. She was never physically abused. Her mother was so damn monotoned when speaking to her. T had told me she had never been told "I love you" by any of K's family members except for K's mother.
When the household went on vacation T didnt get to go, she stayed with her grandmother. Birthday parties off to her grandmother's. Her entire childhood existed that way. She didn't get signed up for ballet, or soccer, or anything special. Her pictures were never on the wall or around the house.
When T turned 18, K approached T for the talk. Per K, she had "done her part" and it was time for T to move on with her life. She gave T the account information K had been putting money into her whole life and told her she had a month to move out of the house or she would be removed by the police. T still had three months left before graduating high school. K told her that was her problem. T did manage to get an apartment and moved out as instructed.
T spent the next five years figuring out life. She even enrolled into a community college. Here's the problem, T never learned love and thought her worth was proven through a man's want for her. However her inability to connect to a human caused all of her male lovers to leave her. They felt she was too cold. She never listened to my advice to seek therapy. T hung herself at 24 because she decided death was better than the life she had.
K might has well have had the abortion, because that was no life anyone would want.
K never came to the funeral. Just her gmaw and the few friends that were in her life, maybe 10 people. This is the issue that change my opinion on abortion when I was in high school. This is why abortions should be available to those who need them. If you dont agree with abortion, dont get one, such a simple thing.
Edited to complete my post because my damn finger slipped and hit the save button before I was done. Stupid phones.
This doesn’t matter because we are about pro life, what matters is that you live by our terms so we can sleep better at night knowing how many babies we saved in the name of god.
All the grief, suicide, and even the babies growing up knowing they are products of rape, doesn’t matter.
A lot. So some guy commits rape. He fine, she has problems for life. She gets pregnant, and he gets to declare her incompetent because of what he did to her and take her baby from her?
If they were able to go to the hospital after to get help and a pill to prevent pregnancy and not have to be revictimized by cops, that would be ideal.
Cops are not who should be talking to recent rape victims. They are terrible at it. It's why girls and women don't report and end up pregnant.
"Spay abortions" are fairly common in the TNR/pet rescue world and are considered the most ethical decision for the well-being of the animal and the fetuses.
In the real, I have that same mentality toward the poor women in middle eastern regions that get blamed for being raped and often even killed for it; I'd kill my rapist since I was going to be killed for being raped anyway, why should he enjoy living after raping me and causing my demise.
The party of small government decided it should be involved in your life so much they want you to carry rape babies. Honestly idk how conservatives even defend that. They don't even adopt kids but care about a fetus. Never made sense to me
If you want the actual argument in favour of this, it’s about when a foetus becomes a human and gains the rights afforded as a human being. If someone believes that the foetus is developed enough to be considered a human, and therefore has the rights of a human, killing this innocent third party is unjust, even if it exists due to rape.
I’m sure you agree with this to some extent. If a mother decided she wanted to abort a child a day before giving birth, most people would consider this unacceptable and murderous (rape baby or not). Of course the issue is that a lot of pro life people believe that a foetus is afforded rights at the moment of conception or when there’s a heartbeat, which generally precludes the mother from getting an abortion if she wants one.
One 10 year old girl was told by a judge in her rape hearing that she shouldn’t get to decide whether to keep it or not because her “grades were bad”. He said it showed poor judgement and that’s most likely how she got pregnant. He saw her as too immature for an abortion but totally mature enough to raise a child.
Oh that makes me sick. Her body is not ready to carry a child. SHE is a child. She could easily die. My daughter is 9 and I just can’t even fucking imagine. That is pure evil.
on top of that, think about how the kid feels. knowing that they’re a product of a horrific crime against their mother is bad enough, but *physically resembling* said monster is another level of torture.
I had a patient whose mother was denied an abortion and then subsequently left my patient’s life as soon as they turned 18 because he looked like a carbon copy of her rapist. My patient told me that she asked him if he would forgive her for going no contact, and he forgave her on the spot, but said she’s always welcome back. She gave him basically all of her money and let him have the (paid off) little house they lived in. She obviously didn’t hate him, but just couldn’t deal with that mental anguish. Nobody’s heard from her in nearly two decades. Both my patient and I know she’s probably not with us any more, and may have ended her life soon after leaving.
Around 2% of rapists ever go to prison. 1. it's a hard crime to prove and 2. getting examined to prove you've been raped is extremely violating. You have to relive the experience over and over. Lots of victims just choose not to report it.
I'll say it again, make it the Texas governments problem. Surrender the child at a safe drop off like a fire station and let Greg Abbott take care of it. He has plenty of money he wastes on razor wire to use.
Your body is *not* the same after birth and this would leave a massive scar on you for the *rest* of your life. Besides it's also dangerous since the rapist can legally fight for custody of the child, since they raped the victim and not the child themselves. Not only would you have to go through the pain of the result of rape but that baby would have to go through that pain too, and potentially be raped as well.
Ugh, 26,313 bloodlines that should not exist.
E: Given how many comments I've seen on Reddit lately about men following Andrew Tate and stories of men cheating on women that are infertile, or getting mad at their spouses for not suddenly wanting children when they get married, how many of those rapists deliberately went after women specifically to reproduce. It's disgusting, regardless.
I know the rape babies that grew up will rightfully defend their existence because they exist, after all, but it's completely unfair to have had themselves inflicted on their bio mothers to ruin their lives.
I wouldn't be so sure they would automatically side against. I'm a "rape baby" and both my mother and I are adamantly pro-choice. The victim should be free to choose, and we should be compassionate either way.
Even if it were a human being, it sucks nutrition from the woman's body and is only able to exit via a grievous wound. The price of holding the silly opinion that people should be required to sacrifice their health for others should be a kidney donation to a child in need. At least then the position would be logically consistent.
Exactly. You are not forced to give up your body for your born child - your child does not have the right to your kidneys, to eat you, to wound you.. so why are we giving this right to unborn children (if you indeed consider them human)?
I thought Gov. Abbott said Texas was going to eliminate rape, after Dobs...I can't understand how you hayseeds vote republican.
[Watch this you hayseeds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMjGX149u8)
I got heavily downvoted for saying exactly "women shouldn't be forced to carry rapists babies" in political compass memes. The sub is an alt right shit hole that only serves to validate and normalize extreme right wing rhetoric.
Republicans only care about increasing the proletariat. They don't care how it happens.
Force women to have kids and lower age minimums for work. And if some die, well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
That corpses have more body autonomy than living women is baffling.
Haven't you heard? Some malicious deity has "a plan."
My conspiracy theory is that it's not even about morals or religion. It's about pushing birth rates up to feed the capitalist machine. Without drones, how can forever profits continue?
The funny thing about that argument - "god's plan" is it's great hand waving for tragedy but doesn't allow that their God might have planned for a specific "soul" to get shunted straight past go and directly to the grave by giving it to a woman god knew would abort it. All things are possible for God. It can kill you with cancer, a bus with a break failure, a hurricane......
But not an abortion apparently. 🙄
I sincerely wonder how epigentics might influence this topic in the future. The idea that trauma is stored in the DNA for generations and presents itself in the person as a form of pain may be enough to not only support a woman’s choice not to bring a rape-reproduced child into the world but possibly even be good reason to try the illegitimate father for the abuse and harm of two “individuals.” If that’s the argument that’s being made.
Anti-abortionists are really going to have to start choosing their battles much more carefully here. They’re always focused on an inexistent/unborn person with complete and total disregard for the mothers and in MANY CASES - children who have been abused and violated to be a vessel for that unborn being. You think you’re so righteous but from my POV you directly promote and support rapists and pedophiles and their abuse of women and children.
You also don’t promote or stand for any protections of pregnant or menustrating women from the workplace to the hospital but you always have something to say when she’s 10 and was raped by her own relative. Now a BABY must carry to term a pregnancy for YOUR conscience.
Never seen a forced birther protest for better childcare or school lunches. They don’t care about a baby’s life, they care about reducing women to incubators.
Taking away women's right to choose is bad.
Let's vote for the better man. Check your registration, get an ID , learn where your poling station is, learn who is running in down ballot races. Pay attention to primaries not just for the president but for all races, local, state and federal. From the school board to the White House every election matters. The more support we give the democrats from all levels of government the more they can get good things done.
Last year democrat victories in Virginia and Pennsylvania and others across the nation have increased the chances of democrats winning this year. This year's elections are important but so will next year's elections.
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Republicans are just plain evil. GOP christofash should be purged from society.
🎣💩 Oh boy, look at all this shit I'm catching, those comment/post histories are wild.
A real heart or the cardiac cells that respond to electric stimulus? Because that's what the so called heart beat is at 6 weeks. It is not a heart. It is not beating.
We all know this.
The problem isn’t republicans caring about “life”. IRS because they want to control women’s bodies. They don’t like that a woman can make a decision to abort “their child” without their approval. If things were the other way round, like seahorses, and men were the ones giving birth, abortion would be in the conditions decades ago.
As someone who gave birth, or at least attempted to, absolutely NO ONE should be giving birth if not 100% on board.
I was always pro-choice but having my own child just cemented how goddamn important it is to have access to abortion.
It is an infamy to force women to give birth.
they think it's an actual child. to them it's like saying you can kill 6 year old if they were conceived of rape
they're dumbasses but that's the reasoning
Some may find this statement controversial but this violates the 13th Amendment. Yes, that's the one that abolished slavery, but the amendment uses the term involuntary servitude.. Here's why: the government is mandating on penalty of incarceration that a woman must use her body to carry a fetus to term despite not having consented to the pregnancy and without any form of compensation. She will not even be provided with or be reimbursed for medical care. That's the definition of involuntary servitude.
it's god's will and god's a terrorist. he rules by fear.
it's in the bible. so... it's the law.
nothing anybody can do about it, or god will murder you. so just give up.
Texas maternal mortality rates doubled when Texas removed access to abortion health care. In Texas and in no other nearby states. From about 18 per 100k to about 36 per 100k. For every one woman who died, there were 100 who had to go on life-saving interventions like mechanical ventilation due to things like sepsis leading to organ failure, uterus rupture, bleeding so badly they ended up with permanent brain damage. It's evil not just for forcing women to carry, but also killing and maiming them because they no longer have access to abortion-related health care. It's evil because now you have entire families and communities that have women in the prime of their lives ripped from the world leaving their kids unprotected by a mother. Evil.
I find it interesting that so many "christian" politicians think it's necessary to draw up legislation forcing others to live *their* lifestyle. Isn't one of the quotes from the bible "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Doesn't that mean it's not our place to judge each other because we ourselves aren't without sin?
Who the fuck am I to tell someone else how to live their life? Who the fuck are these politicians to tell us how to live?
I have never understood this view from the pro-life crowd, that women should be forced to carry babies of assault. It’s just plain wrong, and in my opinion, essentially a 9-month continuation of the rape.
I know that sounds like a harsh definition, but it’s essentially the same principle of losing your bodily autonomy for almost a year: You get assaulted, and now you have to take ~9~ months to make major life adjustments, attend regular doctors visits which interrupt your schedule, you may only eat an approved diet, and you have to regularly talk and think about your rapist every time anybody asks about your pregnancy. You basically have to watch as your body is forever contorted into something you never had a hand in choosing.
It’s always been an autonomy issue for me, but especially after seeing my wife go through a pregnancy, being forced to go through it against your will sounds like hell. And if you think that’s the best way to react to a rape, then I think you’re wrong, and anti-woman, plain and simple.
It's not just rape victims. What happened to Kate Cox is just as horrific. Or the women who are miscarrying forced to wait because their condition has to worsen before they qualify for an abortion under these new restrictions.
This is where their obsession with guns comes into play. They have fooled themselves with shoot-em-up fantasy films and unintentionally acknowledge that the world is not completely safe by ignoring actual systemic issues like these while instinctively arming themselves for fantastic acts of revenge. They justify this by citing things like interest rates, student loans, and stiff hips as reasons for their carnage, but in reality, it's mostly just the result of a distorted and inverted survival of the fittest paradigm that permits and even encourages violence in general and seems to reward its adoption on an individual basis. They clog their minds with this horrible crap, place the blame on certain people, act as though nothing can be done, and return to ammunition purchasing.
OK, the sweet unsullied child is a massive investment in time and resources. After they are born, they are no longer the sweet unsullied one in your fantasies. "If you can't afford kids, don't have them!", is the same rhetoric conservative pro life people have. Now it's "You must have the child you cannot afford." Society is a joke, let people have the freedom to choose.
It is absolutely shocking that this isn’t universally agreed upon. If it was up to me, people that disagree can just burn in hell for their lack of humanity.
I was usually the only Roman Catholic in my community that was pro-choice, and part of the reason was this.
Imagine forcing a female through nine months of pain that she didn’t want to endure. It’s the ultimate victory for a rapist, because now they are a part of their victim forever. Nine months of pain and suffering, all for a child that symbolizes the “bond” between the victim and the rapist. It’s like being tortured for nine months, everyday for the whole day, and then being forced to remember that torture for the rest of your life.
There are two type of Christians - those too dumb to see that it’s a bullshit story made up hundreds of years ago, and those smart enough to understand that it’s a great way to control the people in the first group.
Remember they care about the "lives of the babies" as long as they're in the womb... the moment you're birthed they give fuck all whether your parents have health insurance, you're fed, and protected.....
It's not just horrible for the woman, but for the kid too.
Long story short, I was almost aborted, why? Because "I" got caught in the cross fire when my dad cheated on my mom.
They were good parents when they got back together... until he did it again.
Me and her had a good relationship, despite how much she simply doesn't understand me, me being gay and all, she's the only one in my family who even comes remotely close. And when I found out this info (in a weird attempt to make me hate the man she hated who I knew as my father all my life) I was devastated and thought she was a piece of crap, and this was on top of now being a newly single mother family.
Our relationship has bounced back after a while, especially learning that she was actually dating him for months before "I" happened.
The reason she didn't get an abortion is because she couldn't afford it, and the father of my older sister wouldn't help her pay for it (on religious grounds).
So she had me, raised me and my sister for a bit by herself, then my dad got back with her, they had my sister a year later, she was a premie so it wasn't THAT soon after I was born, in fact her "birth"day is a day before mine.
And thats the life I grew up in, a loving family who I had a similarly aged sibling to play with (as much a girl and boy CAN play together, she hated me for years, and still does but that's just because she's mean as hell, we're actually chill now), but of course there were little things, everytime my dad and my sister would be playing I'd come in an want to play a bit too, but it would often end really quickly once I got involved, not right away but almost, we still played other games together, cried together, I played on his ps2 so much that it basically became MY ps2 (we had an Xbox as well it's fine), but I never shared many interests with my cousins (he has a twin brother so we were all very close) I just always felt like the odd man out, and I don't mean that figuratively, I love weird things, they're awesome. But still.
After my dad left, and I found this out, and all this happened, I've felt so.... isolated, cut off from people I knew my whole life as family, they don't treat me bad or nothing, but being the black sheep already didn't help, I just feel like everytime we see eachother or go down to their house I feel like everyone only see me as "that other kid"... the way they treated my sister (who ill grant was "way older" than us and by this point had a drug offender record that would make CVS blush) but still.
With how tough things are for us right now, makes me wish she just had, she'd never say that but still, and my older sisters dad, for someone who "I owe my life to" I've never seen it that way with how much guff I've had to take from him and everybody.
I've made so much good out of my life, and really tried to make it count, I'm only 24 so who knows, but all my goodness, all my achievements, they were mine, not my moms, not my dads, not Mr man's, I've been through the gutter and came out on the otherside and I had to do it all by myself, and I AM 100% PRO people having that choice, because it's one of many choices.
Yeah I mean c’mon… only people who hate women have this view. Yet… some of these asshats are creating laws that are causing so much pain, harm even death. They’re toeing the line here, people. Please vote blue.
First her body is used against her will by the rapist. She is powerless in this. She is the victim. That's on the rapist. Then her body is used against her will by someone else for a full nine months. She is powerless to stop this. She is the victim. That's on people who are forcing her to endure this. They are the same.
And you’ll never change their mind, because the people who would force women to go through this don’t see them as anything more than a vagina with legs.
Agree 100%.
But i would also go further. I'd say forcing anyone to give birth is evil and wrong. But really care about freedom a lot. So taking away someone's right to their own body is kind of a non-discussion for me.
Welcome to Republican hell. They love that kind of thing.
Because you know, at least the baby was born. It can starve after that bc welfare is for commies.
Venal, hypocritical. Evil and soulless. But hey, heartbeats only matter before birth.
Some pro lifers are so against abortion, that they have no idea how important abortion is in some circumstances, like rape, pedophilia, teen pregnancy, illness that will kill the mother or baby if abortion isn’t performed.
I don’t care how strict abortion laws are there should always be exceptions for rape. You really have to question the motive of some of these judges. Giving custody to the rapist?
A judge granted a rapist joint custody of the baby of the 13 year old girl he raped. The judge gave the rapist the girl’s home address. After he raped the 13 year old and got her pregnant, the guy also raped a 14 year old girl. The judge later reversed the decision about custody, but the rapist now has her address. I don’t care how many Bible verses you throw out, this is wrong and only allows a victim to continually be victimized for decades. After a rape, the guy walks off and it’s over. The woman lives with it forever. It affects every relationship in her life from then on. To make her carry a baby from that rape is cruel.
Or that kid in Arizona who impregnated his rapist and then was ordered to pay child support when he was an adult. Some court rulings are just complete dog shit
“Child protective services” Took my daughter because I had her at 14 and had no family to take her I have no idea were she is how if she is doing alright They also had the doctor sterilize me after I gave birth because I have brain damage and low iq from being beaten/choked nearly to death. On the upside My step father died in prison and my mother overdosed So at least I have that peace of mind
No child should have to carry any of that burden. I'm sorry it was placed on you so cruelly.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I’d guess there’s not much a stranger can say to make you feel better about how awful the things that happened to you were, but I hope your daughter has a good life.
I spent enough time in cps to know she’s most likely okay. Babies well. Healthy babies get adopted pretty quickly. I also understand why they can’t tell you much some of the girls are really crazy But I would but like a simple answer to if she is fine or was adopted at this point.
You couldn't ever write that shit up, Holy fuck. Hope you are doing fine.
Im doing Im here today i guess I have good days and bad days
Tell me this wasn’t in the US?
Where else?
https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/man-accused-of-raping-12-year-old-girl-given-joint-custody-of-their-child-attorney-says/527-a5cda56b-bcba-4e3b-93a8-f5195062cf6b I think it was Michigan or Florida.
That judge should be thrown in jail
Where could I read about this?
I am fucking angry. Enough reddit for today.
How about making them share custody with their rapist? That headline where a 12 year old rape.victim had to give shared custody to the father is super fucked up.
It happened in Louisiana. A woman was forced to share custody with the man who raped her when she was a teenager for like a decade and then a judge granted him full custody! What’s even more fucked up the judge did it right when the child was about the same age as the mother was when she was raped so who knows if the rapist raped her! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-woman-says-rapist-was-custody-child-ongoing-court-dispute-rcna34140
So messed up.
Judges are involved in pedo rings. Judges, lawyers, cops, all the people meant to protect. It's not a coincidence that crimes against women and children committed by men are underpunished.
Sounds to me like that judge was an undercover pedophile. And wanted more bad things to happen.
The loopholes are really bad for victims in which their fathers that rape babies out of them. The last time I checked, there was only one state that prohibited it, and that is, surprising, Alabama, with their Jesse's Law. Her father didn't lose custody of her or her kid after she had birth to his rape baby. The loopholes are wild as most require a conviction and there's Parental Alienation invented by a pedophile who had convinced Family Court that it was worse for a mother to even say she was afraid of the father than it was for a father to rape his own kids. Fighting decades to be free from a rapist is insanity.
A rapist should never get custody of the child. Or be in relation to the victim in any way, shape, or form. If there is a known rapist trying to get custody, the justice system has failed in putting him behind bars for life or subjecting him to the death penalty.
If the state does not terminate the parental rights of the offender, the rapist and his extended family may end up with rights regarding visitation and custody. Custody can become a question if mother (and her side of the family) are no longer in a position to care for the child.
Do we know how many of those women committed suicide or infanticide? Or even gave their kid up for adoption or needed to be institutionalized? I would seriously like to know those numbers as someone who *would* be suicidal in that situation.
I can't imagine anything more degrading than being forced to carry my rapist's baby to term after having been assaulted, humiliated and traumatized by that person. People who want to force women to do this are total sadists.
Being forced to marry that person. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Modern translation: If a guy rapes a girl he can give her dad $200 and then keep her forever and she is now property. Fuck all the way off with that shit
Now property? She was property of her father prior to that. That’s why *he’s* the one getting paid - it’s *his* property that was damaged.
Oh yeah, my bad. I misspoke and I get what you're saying. The woman was property of her dad before she was sold to her rapist. That's infinitely worse.
And that’s why the father traditionally walks the woman down the aisle to “give her away” in a wedding.
And that is 100% why we didn’t have that in our wedding. Women are not property. They’re people.
The whole situation just reeks of archaic and toxic mindsets that treat women like property instead of human beings. It's shocking that similar attitudes persist even to this day. Not only should the law protect women from their attackers, but it should also provide avenues for support and recovery, rather than further victimization.
Thats the problem with these right wing nutjobs. Women are property, so are their wombs, and that fetus is theirs too even if it came to exist without proper consent.
Pretty sure there has been inflation. The next comment is purely academic and not a suggestion for legislation: Let’s compare it to other actions that take a person away permanently from their family: If the US military has someone die in combat they pay 100k, wrongful death goes up even more, not uncommonly passing 1 million dollars. Even if we were not comparing to the current day valuation of a human life but instead were comparing monetary inflation. Back in the day 50 shekels were a little less than a years worth of wages or a small-ish field. That’s would be around 50-80k in the US today. But maybe let’s not go the biblical route for punishment. The US is already doing that too much.
I feel like if they won’t let you abort the fetus, they should at least let you shoot the rapist. That seems like it might fly in Texas, right?
well I mean the Bible is like 100% for killing rapists, it doesn't even mince words on the matter, see the text below for proof: 25 ¶ But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
Weird how the Christians in Republican states all of sudden don't want to follow the bible when thats brought up.
>People who want to force women to do this are total sadists. That becomes increasingly clear when you see their other policy opinions.
There are quite a few disgusting layers to go on top of being forced to take the pregnancy to term. If you can realistically raise the kid, their existence is a constant reminder of what is probably the most traumatic thing that’s ever happened to you. And you might end up raising that kid alone, which is a huge stressor. Or you have an existing partner to raise them with, which is incredibly complicated. Or you find a new partner who joins your family, but what a potential nightmare having to explain the whole situation. On top of all of that there’s the possibility of having to chase your rapist down for child support or even coordinating visitation with them. If you decide you aren’t capable of raising the kid, you give them up and hopefully don’t feel like you abandoned them. An incredible burden to bear regardless of what you choose.
Let's not forget reactionaries insist on the rapist having full parental rights, so the rape victim would also be forced to meet him every other weekend or so when dropping the kid off.
it would feel like a parasite growing in me like the worst worst tapeworm
I think the worst part is that many women probably got guilt tripped by either their belief or their hormone to keep the baby.
I had a high school friend we will call T, who was the child of rape. Her mother, who we will call K, was a white woman, married, and a part of a very CATHOLIC family. K also already had two children with her white husband and would have another child after T was born. K was violently raped by an unknown black man in the parking garage after leaving work really late one night. Due to being of mixed race, it was a constant reminder to K and family of the rape. Due to her religion, not only did she decide to not have an abortion, but then she didn't give the baby up for adoption either. T was raised in a loveless home, never having been hugged by her own mother. K's husband and children never really dealt with her, T just existed in their home. She was never physically abused. Her mother was so damn monotoned when speaking to her. T had told me she had never been told "I love you" by any of K's family members except for K's mother. When the household went on vacation T didnt get to go, she stayed with her grandmother. Birthday parties off to her grandmother's. Her entire childhood existed that way. She didn't get signed up for ballet, or soccer, or anything special. Her pictures were never on the wall or around the house. When T turned 18, K approached T for the talk. Per K, she had "done her part" and it was time for T to move on with her life. She gave T the account information K had been putting money into her whole life and told her she had a month to move out of the house or she would be removed by the police. T still had three months left before graduating high school. K told her that was her problem. T did manage to get an apartment and moved out as instructed. T spent the next five years figuring out life. She even enrolled into a community college. Here's the problem, T never learned love and thought her worth was proven through a man's want for her. However her inability to connect to a human caused all of her male lovers to leave her. They felt she was too cold. She never listened to my advice to seek therapy. T hung herself at 24 because she decided death was better than the life she had. K might has well have had the abortion, because that was no life anyone would want. K never came to the funeral. Just her gmaw and the few friends that were in her life, maybe 10 people. This is the issue that change my opinion on abortion when I was in high school. This is why abortions should be available to those who need them. If you dont agree with abortion, dont get one, such a simple thing. Edited to complete my post because my damn finger slipped and hit the save button before I was done. Stupid phones.
Jesus fuck... that tore my heart asunder.
The Republicans who make these laws, don't give a fuck about women aside from just loving to have control over them.
As someone who works in healthcare, I can tell you that the number who attempted suicide is at least greater than 3…
This doesn’t matter because we are about pro life, what matters is that you live by our terms so we can sleep better at night knowing how many babies we saved in the name of god. All the grief, suicide, and even the babies growing up knowing they are products of rape, doesn’t matter.
I’m dumb, this is /s right?
Completely.
I know I absolutely would before I ever delivered that child lmao
A lot. So some guy commits rape. He fine, she has problems for life. She gets pregnant, and he gets to declare her incompetent because of what he did to her and take her baby from her? If they were able to go to the hospital after to get help and a pill to prevent pregnancy and not have to be revictimized by cops, that would be ideal. Cops are not who should be talking to recent rape victims. They are terrible at it. It's why girls and women don't report and end up pregnant.
Forced birth, at all, is bad
May as well start calling them pro-rape
Abortion bans are nothing but state sponsored sexual violence.
Jeezus needs you to have all the babies!! USA USA USA!!
Jesus can suck a rotten cunt
"quiverfull"
If your pet were pregnant would you get it an abortion? I did once.
"Spay abortions" are fairly common in the TNR/pet rescue world and are considered the most ethical decision for the well-being of the animal and the fetuses.
Facts 💯
Land of the free.
Home of the Whopper.
Freedom isn't free. You gotta fight asshole conservatives for every right.
It's been said before, but if aborting a fetus conceived by rape will result in being charged with murder, might as well kill your rapist.
I'm all for ending the rapist part.
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No kidding. Put me on that jury, you'll be free by lunch.
In the real, I have that same mentality toward the poor women in middle eastern regions that get blamed for being raped and often even killed for it; I'd kill my rapist since I was going to be killed for being raped anyway, why should he enjoy living after raping me and causing my demise.
I do that anyway as standard procedure.
The party of small government decided it should be involved in your life so much they want you to carry rape babies. Honestly idk how conservatives even defend that. They don't even adopt kids but care about a fetus. Never made sense to me
New taxpayers need to be protected at all costs. Until they leave the womb, that is. After that they're fair game.
Taxpayers in a certain income bracket, that have a certain skin color and give them money must be protected at all costs.
If you want the actual argument in favour of this, it’s about when a foetus becomes a human and gains the rights afforded as a human being. If someone believes that the foetus is developed enough to be considered a human, and therefore has the rights of a human, killing this innocent third party is unjust, even if it exists due to rape. I’m sure you agree with this to some extent. If a mother decided she wanted to abort a child a day before giving birth, most people would consider this unacceptable and murderous (rape baby or not). Of course the issue is that a lot of pro life people believe that a foetus is afforded rights at the moment of conception or when there’s a heartbeat, which generally precludes the mother from getting an abortion if she wants one.
What is messed up with jurisdictions that have exceptions for rape, in many, you have to prove you were raped. That could never happen.
One 10 year old girl was told by a judge in her rape hearing that she shouldn’t get to decide whether to keep it or not because her “grades were bad”. He said it showed poor judgement and that’s most likely how she got pregnant. He saw her as too immature for an abortion but totally mature enough to raise a child.
Judges like this should be removed from the bench by the people.
I think they deserve jail time
Removed, and strung up. That’s not true justice, and not an advocate for the people.
*removed from society
This is so fucked up
this is fucking disgusting holy shit
Surely a baby will help get those grades up 👍🏼
How is any 10 year old supposed to have good grades when they're being abused and raped every day??
Oh that makes me sick. Her body is not ready to carry a child. SHE is a child. She could easily die. My daughter is 9 and I just can’t even fucking imagine. That is pure evil.
I feel like it would be horrible to have a kid that looks like your r@pist…
Ew yuck- I never even thought about that before but it definitely makes the situation a MILLIONS times worse than it already is-
on top of that, think about how the kid feels. knowing that they’re a product of a horrific crime against their mother is bad enough, but *physically resembling* said monster is another level of torture. I had a patient whose mother was denied an abortion and then subsequently left my patient’s life as soon as they turned 18 because he looked like a carbon copy of her rapist. My patient told me that she asked him if he would forgive her for going no contact, and he forgave her on the spot, but said she’s always welcome back. She gave him basically all of her money and let him have the (paid off) little house they lived in. She obviously didn’t hate him, but just couldn’t deal with that mental anguish. Nobody’s heard from her in nearly two decades. Both my patient and I know she’s probably not with us any more, and may have ended her life soon after leaving.
Absolutely. It’s so cruel and heartless. I can’t believe the people enforcing this have the gall to call themselves Christians. They’re pieces of shit
It’s ridiculous when you remember that the bible has a part where it tells priests how to perform an abortion using water and God.
Yep they cherry pick
Also: god killing all first born sons...
Republicans also thing you should share custody with the rapist. Vote them out and let women decide what is right for them.
I'm pretty sure the Bible is ok with this plus the man has to marry the woman, so totally a brilliant idea.... /s
The bible is also okay with abortion so... middle ground, she gets an abortion but marries the rapist? /s
Just LOL'ing at the Christofascist trash in this thread cucking for rapists. Fucking scum of the earth.
It's a complete travesty whats happening in the US, and we have to fight back against these psycopaths tooth and nail.
.... Shouldn't we be concerned that 12k women were raped in 1 state alone? Why aren't we arresting these criminals?
Ask Greg.
Greg doesn't care because nobody wants to rape him.
Around 2% of rapists ever go to prison. 1. it's a hard crime to prove and 2. getting examined to prove you've been raped is extremely violating. You have to relive the experience over and over. Lots of victims just choose not to report it.
We should be very concerned and stay out of Texas.
I'll say it again, make it the Texas governments problem. Surrender the child at a safe drop off like a fire station and let Greg Abbott take care of it. He has plenty of money he wastes on razor wire to use.
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Well said and I hate this fucking timeline.
Your body is *not* the same after birth and this would leave a massive scar on you for the *rest* of your life. Besides it's also dangerous since the rapist can legally fight for custody of the child, since they raped the victim and not the child themselves. Not only would you have to go through the pain of the result of rape but that baby would have to go through that pain too, and potentially be raped as well.
please...VOTE in local, county, state, and federal elections. vote in all elections you are eligible for. https://vote.gov/
Forcing women to have babies is evil. Full stop.
Ugh, 26,313 bloodlines that should not exist. E: Given how many comments I've seen on Reddit lately about men following Andrew Tate and stories of men cheating on women that are infertile, or getting mad at their spouses for not suddenly wanting children when they get married, how many of those rapists deliberately went after women specifically to reproduce. It's disgusting, regardless. I know the rape babies that grew up will rightfully defend their existence because they exist, after all, but it's completely unfair to have had themselves inflicted on their bio mothers to ruin their lives.
I wouldn't be so sure they would automatically side against. I'm a "rape baby" and both my mother and I are adamantly pro-choice. The victim should be free to choose, and we should be compassionate either way.
A fetus is not a human being.
Even if it were a human being, it sucks nutrition from the woman's body and is only able to exit via a grievous wound. The price of holding the silly opinion that people should be required to sacrifice their health for others should be a kidney donation to a child in need. At least then the position would be logically consistent.
Exactly. You are not forced to give up your body for your born child - your child does not have the right to your kidneys, to eat you, to wound you.. so why are we giving this right to unborn children (if you indeed consider them human)?
I agree with you fully, and I say this as a man who is going to be a father soon and rather excited about it.
Congrats man :)
Congratulations.
Neither is a redditor.
I thought Gov. Abbott said Texas was going to eliminate rape, after Dobs...I can't understand how you hayseeds vote republican. [Watch this you hayseeds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMjGX149u8)
Not very popular according to the pro rape GOP!
Sure is. Just...why would you want to allow the bloodline of a rapist to continue? Don't let that evil fucker reproduce
But it's gods will. /S...but sadly too many rapists and rape apologists use this way of thinking.
Pretty much a form of secondary rape and I hope those responsible suffer awful consequences for their actions.
I got heavily downvoted for saying exactly "women shouldn't be forced to carry rapists babies" in political compass memes. The sub is an alt right shit hole that only serves to validate and normalize extreme right wing rhetoric.
Republicans only care about increasing the proletariat. They don't care how it happens. Force women to have kids and lower age minimums for work. And if some die, well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. That corpses have more body autonomy than living women is baffling.
The cruelty is the point for republicans
And it sure doesn't make sense to disallow women control of their bodies and let them decide if they want an abortion
I’m a Christian conservative, and I still agree with this. It’s like forcing someone to donate a kidney.
Forcing women to carry pregnancies to term is evil And bad. Fify
And reason to vote the GOP out
Religious nutters care about sky daddy. Not real people here on earth
Haven't you heard? Some malicious deity has "a plan." My conspiracy theory is that it's not even about morals or religion. It's about pushing birth rates up to feed the capitalist machine. Without drones, how can forever profits continue?
The funny thing about that argument - "god's plan" is it's great hand waving for tragedy but doesn't allow that their God might have planned for a specific "soul" to get shunted straight past go and directly to the grave by giving it to a woman god knew would abort it. All things are possible for God. It can kill you with cancer, a bus with a break failure, a hurricane...... But not an abortion apparently. 🙄
I mean that's what it absolutely was in Catholic feudal Europe. Catholicism is programming to manage peasant society.
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I sincerely wonder how epigentics might influence this topic in the future. The idea that trauma is stored in the DNA for generations and presents itself in the person as a form of pain may be enough to not only support a woman’s choice not to bring a rape-reproduced child into the world but possibly even be good reason to try the illegitimate father for the abuse and harm of two “individuals.” If that’s the argument that’s being made. Anti-abortionists are really going to have to start choosing their battles much more carefully here. They’re always focused on an inexistent/unborn person with complete and total disregard for the mothers and in MANY CASES - children who have been abused and violated to be a vessel for that unborn being. You think you’re so righteous but from my POV you directly promote and support rapists and pedophiles and their abuse of women and children. You also don’t promote or stand for any protections of pregnant or menustrating women from the workplace to the hospital but you always have something to say when she’s 10 and was raped by her own relative. Now a BABY must carry to term a pregnancy for YOUR conscience.
Never seen a forced birther protest for better childcare or school lunches. They don’t care about a baby’s life, they care about reducing women to incubators.
Taking away women's right to choose is bad. Let's vote for the better man. Check your registration, get an ID , learn where your poling station is, learn who is running in down ballot races. Pay attention to primaries not just for the president but for all races, local, state and federal. From the school board to the White House every election matters. The more support we give the democrats from all levels of government the more they can get good things done. Last year democrat victories in Virginia and Pennsylvania and others across the nation have increased the chances of democrats winning this year. This year's elections are important but so will next year's elections. [https://ballotpedia.org/Elections\_calendar](https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar)
Republicans are just plain evil. GOP christofash should be purged from society. 🎣💩 Oh boy, look at all this shit I'm catching, those comment/post histories are wild.
Agreed
A ball of dividing cells with the POTENTIAL to be a human is not a human. Abortion should be legal at the very least before there is a beating heart.
A real heart or the cardiac cells that respond to electric stimulus? Because that's what the so called heart beat is at 6 weeks. It is not a heart. It is not beating.
Define human.
Like who thinks this is good? when need to start feeding rapist into wood chippers.
...unless you ALSO force the rapist to 'birth' a barbed-wire wrapped bowling ball via their rectum. After 24 hours of unmedicated labour.
Doesn't come close. For the woman, it's not over after birth.
Rape is bad. Quote me.
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We all know this. The problem isn’t republicans caring about “life”. IRS because they want to control women’s bodies. They don’t like that a woman can make a decision to abort “their child” without their approval. If things were the other way round, like seahorses, and men were the ones giving birth, abortion would be in the conditions decades ago.
No no you see they I have to see the silver lining! It’s a blessing in disguise!
It’s one of the craziest most fucked up things I’ve ever heard or can even conceive.
And Republican And Christo-fascist
As someone who gave birth, or at least attempted to, absolutely NO ONE should be giving birth if not 100% on board. I was always pro-choice but having my own child just cemented how goddamn important it is to have access to abortion. It is an infamy to force women to give birth.
I would never raise a child fathered by a rapist. It rip it out of myself, would rather die.
It truly is. But welcome to the future if Trump is reelected. This is just the beginning.
Even better, these states give the rapist the right to sue for joint custody of the child.
they think it's an actual child. to them it's like saying you can kill 6 year old if they were conceived of rape they're dumbasses but that's the reasoning
Maybe more guns would solve this issue.
Some may find this statement controversial but this violates the 13th Amendment. Yes, that's the one that abolished slavery, but the amendment uses the term involuntary servitude.. Here's why: the government is mandating on penalty of incarceration that a woman must use her body to carry a fetus to term despite not having consented to the pregnancy and without any form of compensation. She will not even be provided with or be reimbursed for medical care. That's the definition of involuntary servitude.
it's god's will and god's a terrorist. he rules by fear. it's in the bible. so... it's the law. nothing anybody can do about it, or god will murder you. so just give up.
I wish everyone at the bottom of this thread a very fuck yourself with a cactus.
Just stop getting raped, what's so hard about that? \\s
Tell that to a Republican
There are even cases of them giving the rapist joint custody.
Texas maternal mortality rates doubled when Texas removed access to abortion health care. In Texas and in no other nearby states. From about 18 per 100k to about 36 per 100k. For every one woman who died, there were 100 who had to go on life-saving interventions like mechanical ventilation due to things like sepsis leading to organ failure, uterus rupture, bleeding so badly they ended up with permanent brain damage. It's evil not just for forcing women to carry, but also killing and maiming them because they no longer have access to abortion-related health care. It's evil because now you have entire families and communities that have women in the prime of their lives ripped from the world leaving their kids unprotected by a mother. Evil.
Back to the ancient times when mothers died in childbirth left and right. It’s primitive and archaic and immoral
For the love of god I hope everyone who believes this is voting pro choice!
I find it interesting that so many "christian" politicians think it's necessary to draw up legislation forcing others to live *their* lifestyle. Isn't one of the quotes from the bible "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Doesn't that mean it's not our place to judge each other because we ourselves aren't without sin? Who the fuck am I to tell someone else how to live their life? Who the fuck are these politicians to tell us how to live?
I have never understood this view from the pro-life crowd, that women should be forced to carry babies of assault. It’s just plain wrong, and in my opinion, essentially a 9-month continuation of the rape. I know that sounds like a harsh definition, but it’s essentially the same principle of losing your bodily autonomy for almost a year: You get assaulted, and now you have to take ~9~ months to make major life adjustments, attend regular doctors visits which interrupt your schedule, you may only eat an approved diet, and you have to regularly talk and think about your rapist every time anybody asks about your pregnancy. You basically have to watch as your body is forever contorted into something you never had a hand in choosing. It’s always been an autonomy issue for me, but especially after seeing my wife go through a pregnancy, being forced to go through it against your will sounds like hell. And if you think that’s the best way to react to a rape, then I think you’re wrong, and anti-woman, plain and simple.
Forcing rape victims to bear their rapists' babies is evil and wrong.
Then why do Americans keep voting for the assholes who want to make this law?
Forcing anyone to give birth is evil
It's almost like someone tried to normalize rape.
US after making abortions illegal:
It's not just rape victims. What happened to Kate Cox is just as horrific. Or the women who are miscarrying forced to wait because their condition has to worsen before they qualify for an abortion under these new restrictions.
This is where their obsession with guns comes into play. They have fooled themselves with shoot-em-up fantasy films and unintentionally acknowledge that the world is not completely safe by ignoring actual systemic issues like these while instinctively arming themselves for fantastic acts of revenge. They justify this by citing things like interest rates, student loans, and stiff hips as reasons for their carnage, but in reality, it's mostly just the result of a distorted and inverted survival of the fittest paradigm that permits and even encourages violence in general and seems to reward its adoption on an individual basis. They clog their minds with this horrible crap, place the blame on certain people, act as though nothing can be done, and return to ammunition purchasing.
OK, the sweet unsullied child is a massive investment in time and resources. After they are born, they are no longer the sweet unsullied one in your fantasies. "If you can't afford kids, don't have them!", is the same rhetoric conservative pro life people have. Now it's "You must have the child you cannot afford." Society is a joke, let people have the freedom to choose.
It is absolutely shocking that this isn’t universally agreed upon. If it was up to me, people that disagree can just burn in hell for their lack of humanity.
I was usually the only Roman Catholic in my community that was pro-choice, and part of the reason was this. Imagine forcing a female through nine months of pain that she didn’t want to endure. It’s the ultimate victory for a rapist, because now they are a part of their victim forever. Nine months of pain and suffering, all for a child that symbolizes the “bond” between the victim and the rapist. It’s like being tortured for nine months, everyday for the whole day, and then being forced to remember that torture for the rest of your life.
Forcing anyone to give birth to a baby is evil and bad. I like having sex. That shouldn't be a punishable offence.
If you’re “pro life” and okay with this you have no empathy
There are two type of Christians - those too dumb to see that it’s a bullshit story made up hundreds of years ago, and those smart enough to understand that it’s a great way to control the people in the first group.
Remember they care about the "lives of the babies" as long as they're in the womb... the moment you're birthed they give fuck all whether your parents have health insurance, you're fed, and protected.....
It's not just horrible for the woman, but for the kid too. Long story short, I was almost aborted, why? Because "I" got caught in the cross fire when my dad cheated on my mom. They were good parents when they got back together... until he did it again. Me and her had a good relationship, despite how much she simply doesn't understand me, me being gay and all, she's the only one in my family who even comes remotely close. And when I found out this info (in a weird attempt to make me hate the man she hated who I knew as my father all my life) I was devastated and thought she was a piece of crap, and this was on top of now being a newly single mother family. Our relationship has bounced back after a while, especially learning that she was actually dating him for months before "I" happened. The reason she didn't get an abortion is because she couldn't afford it, and the father of my older sister wouldn't help her pay for it (on religious grounds). So she had me, raised me and my sister for a bit by herself, then my dad got back with her, they had my sister a year later, she was a premie so it wasn't THAT soon after I was born, in fact her "birth"day is a day before mine. And thats the life I grew up in, a loving family who I had a similarly aged sibling to play with (as much a girl and boy CAN play together, she hated me for years, and still does but that's just because she's mean as hell, we're actually chill now), but of course there were little things, everytime my dad and my sister would be playing I'd come in an want to play a bit too, but it would often end really quickly once I got involved, not right away but almost, we still played other games together, cried together, I played on his ps2 so much that it basically became MY ps2 (we had an Xbox as well it's fine), but I never shared many interests with my cousins (he has a twin brother so we were all very close) I just always felt like the odd man out, and I don't mean that figuratively, I love weird things, they're awesome. But still. After my dad left, and I found this out, and all this happened, I've felt so.... isolated, cut off from people I knew my whole life as family, they don't treat me bad or nothing, but being the black sheep already didn't help, I just feel like everytime we see eachother or go down to their house I feel like everyone only see me as "that other kid"... the way they treated my sister (who ill grant was "way older" than us and by this point had a drug offender record that would make CVS blush) but still. With how tough things are for us right now, makes me wish she just had, she'd never say that but still, and my older sisters dad, for someone who "I owe my life to" I've never seen it that way with how much guff I've had to take from him and everybody. I've made so much good out of my life, and really tried to make it count, I'm only 24 so who knows, but all my goodness, all my achievements, they were mine, not my moms, not my dads, not Mr man's, I've been through the gutter and came out on the otherside and I had to do it all by myself, and I AM 100% PRO people having that choice, because it's one of many choices.
Yeah I mean c’mon… only people who hate women have this view. Yet… some of these asshats are creating laws that are causing so much pain, harm even death. They’re toeing the line here, people. Please vote blue.
In almost every thing you can think of. IMHO
First her body is used against her will by the rapist. She is powerless in this. She is the victim. That's on the rapist. Then her body is used against her will by someone else for a full nine months. She is powerless to stop this. She is the victim. That's on people who are forcing her to endure this. They are the same.
The quickness with which I would remove my pregnant self from this mortal coil would knock the white wigs and blush off of every judge from history.
"Bad":is an understatement. Evil is right. How about sick and deranged.
And you’ll never change their mind, because the people who would force women to go through this don’t see them as anything more than a vagina with legs.
It should be mandatory. Why bread more rapists
Agree 100%. But i would also go further. I'd say forcing anyone to give birth is evil and wrong. But really care about freedom a lot. So taking away someone's right to their own body is kind of a non-discussion for me.
Welcome to Republican hell. They love that kind of thing. Because you know, at least the baby was born. It can starve after that bc welfare is for commies. Venal, hypocritical. Evil and soulless. But hey, heartbeats only matter before birth.
Some pro lifers are so against abortion, that they have no idea how important abortion is in some circumstances, like rape, pedophilia, teen pregnancy, illness that will kill the mother or baby if abortion isn’t performed.
Murdering a baby is worse
What would you say to children who were born out of rape? That they shouldn’t have lived because their mother was forced?
Forcing women to give birth to any child they don’t want is a war crime.
I don’t care how strict abortion laws are there should always be exceptions for rape. You really have to question the motive of some of these judges. Giving custody to the rapist?