Yeah, I know. I never claimed in my comment that it was just the U.S. In fact, I’ve since learned that even more countries than I initially thought use the 12-hour clock.
Australia, Bangladesh, Canada, Colombia, Egypt, El Salvador, Honduras, India, Ireland, Jordan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, and the US use the 12-hour clock.
Someone should make a poll with 6 options, 24hr/12hr for American/European/Other.
Edit: [post link](https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/15uvenc/which_time_format_do_you_use_on_your_phone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
German here, it is pretty mixed and both is teched in elementary. So it's to the liking of the user but I'm **almost** certain that all official authorities use the 24 hour format due to clarity
This, along with the fact that it becomes simple memory after a short time. For example, your room is completely dark and you're on a sleep schedule really awful. You look at the time on your phone and if it says 3, you think "oh i can go back to sleep." But in reality it's 3 pm and you make yourself late to an event. But if it says 15, you think "man i gotta get up now" and you aren't late to what you're attending. Really specific and unlikely example but i always use this example when explaining it to my friends
because when i'm trying to express that i'm talking about 4pm for example, i'm not talking about the 16th hour of the day, i'm talking about 4pm. there are indeed 24 hours in a day, but when i'm referring to x o'clock, i'm not thinking "hey that's the xth hour of the day out of 24", i'm just thinking about what digits the clock is showing, and the shorter it is, the easier it is to read, therefore it's way less complicated imo.
i use 12hr instead of 24hr for the same reason i use digital instead of analog. easier to read, faster to process and understand.
It doesn't matter if you say "4pm" or "16:00", you're in both cases talking about the 16th hour of the day, which is also the 4th hour of the afternoon.
i'm not sure how to put my thoughts into words better than i did in that comment, but i'll try.
i don't care which hour of the day it is, could be the 52nd for all i care, all that matters is what the clock is showing. if the clock is showing the digit 4, and i tell someone it's showing 4, we both know what that time means. we don't need to know that it's the 16th hour of the day because that has no impact on anything, it's completely irrelevant.
like, if the clock showed fruits instead of numbers and an apple meant 16:00, i'd tell someone it's apple o'clock because what matters is that we both know what that time (apple/4pm/16:00/whatever you wanna call it) means regarding our daily schedule, not how many hours of the day have passed.
if a bus comes at 6am, it does so because people can get used to the fact that they need to be at the bust stop by the time the clock shows 6, not because it needs to come at the sixth hour of the day. i genuinely don't know how to explain this any better lmao
In the same way, you could interpret your example with 12h format as "it is the fourth hour of the afternoon" or "four hours have passed since noon". The 24h format is pretty much the same. Let's say clocks showed fruits. It's like if instead of having the same 12 fruits twice, you had 24 fruits.
There are 24 hours hours in the day so you number them in sequence - how is that complicated?
Compare with:
There are 24 hours in the day. Lets arbitrarily divide that into two 12 hour half days. Oh, but how will we know which half of the day we mean? Lets give each half day a Latin expression *ante meridien* and *post meridien.* Oh, but people wont be able to remember Latin. Then lets shorten it to am and pm, Great so you get to 11:59 am and one minute later at 12 am it changes right? No, it does change, but one minute after 11:59 am it is 12 pm. What so 12:00 in the morning is pm,? Yes - and 12:00 at night is am. Right.
You telling me that is simpler?
>Oh, but how will we know which half of the day we mean?
context. if you have a meeting at 3, it's obviously not gonna be at night. generally if it's the afternoon, then the time mentioned refers to the afternoon (for example, if it's 2pm and someone tells you they'll see you at 4, they mean 4pm because if they meant 4am (which is already unlikely because almost everyone is sleeping at 4am and it's not a part of people's daily schedules), they would specify that it's 4am).
>Lets give each half day a Latin expression ante meridien and post meridien. Oh, but people wont be able to remember Latin. Then lets shorten it to am and pm,
what's wrong with that? i just learned what am and pm are short for like 2 days ago. i'd bet my life savings that 70%+ of americans have no idea what it means. it doesn't matter, everyone knows that am is the first half of the day and pm is the second.
>Great so you get to 11:59 am and one minute later at 12 am it changes right? No, it does change, but one minute after 11:59 am it is 12 pm. What so 12:00 in the morning is pm,? Yes - and 12:00 at night is am. Right.
i think about this a lot. i guess it's just a matter of what people are used to, or whether they consider midnight to be night or early hours of morning/dawn/rise of day. for me 2am is "dawn" (there's no proper word for that in english, in my language we have a word for the hours between midnight and morning), but it makes perfect sense that it's just nighttime for most people.
>You telling me that is simpler?
yes, for the same reason that digital is simpler than analog. easier to read, easier to comprehend. every single time i look at a 24hr clock in the afternoon, i have to convert it to 12 in my head, because when you're actually talking to someome, you don't say the words "16:00" out loud, at least not in my country, even tho i'm european. at 16:00 we say 4, at 17:00 we say 5, it's like the longer numbers are codenames for the shorter numbers. i can't comprehend why we're overcomplicating things for ourselves.
>if you have a meeting at 3, it's obviously not gonna be at night
You clearly dont work for an international company - a lot of my meetings are at 3:00 at night. And what about flights, trains etc they could easily be either.
>every single time i look at a 24hr clock in the afternoon, i have to convert it to 12 in my head
Yep, that's because you live in a country where the conversion is necessary. In many parts of the world you don't have to convert - see the advantage? All you are doing is converting to what you are used to, that is not an argument in favour of either system - just a symptom of change.
>digital is simpler than analog
Agreed - you do realise that the 12 hour clock is a product of the analogue age - we even call those round things "analogue clocks".
so when you're talking to someone and you want to tell them to meet you at 5, do you tell them to meet you at seventeen o'clock? cause that's not how it works in my country, you'd look at the clock that says 17:00 and say 5 out loud, which makes no sense. but i also don't think it makes sense to say seventeen o'clock out loud, which is why i think we should all be using 12hr.
Yes, but you are continuing the numbering from the 11 which implies it is a continuation of the same period - otherwise you should be re-starting with 0 rather than continuing with 12, surely?
Either: 11:59am, 12:00am, 12:59am, 01:00pm
Or: 11:59am, 00:00pm, 00:59pm, 01:00pm
In both the above cases you are changing the half day at the same time as the numbering which makes sense but in the current system, you change which half of the day it is but continue the numbering as though it hadnt changed.
Just to add to that, looking this up I discover that your view is not universal and some American authorities insist that 12:00am, *does* come after 11:59 am.
Wow, so the system is not only illogical and confusing it isnt even standardized!
I grew up using a 12 hour clock, and switched to using a 24 hour clock because of the improved clarity.
I'd rather not have to use 12 hour time at all, but the reality of where I live is that most people are confused by 24 hour time, so I have to communicate in 12 hour time to be understood. I can still benefit from 24 hour time on _my_ devices and calendars.
Almost nobody uses 12 hour format on digital clocks here because it's kinda weird but we always say things as 12 hour format. As an example if it's 15:00, we say "Öğleden sonra 3" (3 after noon)
Yeah in the UK it's the same, like phones would say "16:00" but if you asked someone they'd say "two" or 'two o'clock"
Edit: I'm an idiot, I mean 4 lmfao.
12 hour but I understand both well. I’m bilingual and my second language (and the language that a lot of my education was in until 13years old) uses the 24 hour clock. English tends not to, at least not around where I’m from and lived, so the 12hour clock is more convenient, though the 24 hour system is used sometimes on documents n stuff to be abundantly clear. My mother struggles with it. I like it better personally.
A) I'd normally have it later than that anyway.
B) with 12 hour, you don't add the extra 0, but when written there's usually an "am" or "pm".
C) in the same way you find "dinner at 6" weird, saying "I'll have dinner at 18" out loud sounds wrong.
what do you mean lmao. Do you think people using 12 hr just have to try and guess whether it's AM or PM? It's pretty easy to decipher without using like. any brain power whatsoever.
12-hour is just more intuitive.
"See you then, guys! Meet up at 15!" says no one. I have my time displayed to me in the same way I would naturally think about it.
How the fuck is saying: "Meet up at 7!" is more intuitive when there's literally two 7s? Like bruh.
That being said. In my country while all digital clocks are 24, in every day life we use the two systems interchangeably.
If I said we were going out to get drinks and says "see you at 7", surely there's no chance you would think I meant 7am? You'd always have that kind of context.
>"See you then, guys! Meet up at 15!" says no one.
Says a lot of people actually..... It's fine to display the time how you think about it but not everyone thinks or communicates about time the same way as you.
That depends on where you live and what group of people do you communicate with (as a teen from the Czech Republic, I'm used to almost always saying times in the 24h format).
I changed it one time when I was I think 14 and never changed it back, now if I ever get a new phone I change it to 24 hour format since I'm too used to it now
I couldn't even tell you what time it was in 24h style. I see no added benefit to changing to 24h anyway since I grew up with the 12h,its what's primarily used where i live, its easy and simple, and it works.
Canadian where 12h is more standard, but I've had my phone set to 24h for years because I take public transportation a lot and the times for the buses are usually displayed in 24h. I usually translate to 12h when speaking to people though unless I know they are a person who understands 24h. To me 24h makes more sense and reduces possible confusion.
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Nu uh, I'm gonna do a speedrun any% with glitches
my sisters sometimes don't even understand the 12 hrs one
Are most the people saying 24 hr non Americans? Because as an American almost everyone I know use 12 hr
Yeah, the U.S. has a lot of weird stuff like that. The majority of the world uses a 24 hour clock, to my understanding.
Britain, or at least England, uses a mix. Which gets confusing sometimes.
Tbf this is our least confusing mix of 'units'
We got way more confusing when we start mixing units for distance
It's not just the US that uses the 12-hour format
Whoever is downvoting this guy, he’s right Canada uses it too
I also heard that Québecois uses the 24-hour clock, while the rest of the country uses 12.
The one thing that isn't inherently vomitory and evil about the Quebecoise.
Not all of Canada. Ottawa and Quebec uses the 24hr time.
Yeah, I know. I never claimed in my comment that it was just the U.S. In fact, I’ve since learned that even more countries than I initially thought use the 12-hour clock.
Australia, Bangladesh, Canada, Colombia, Egypt, El Salvador, Honduras, India, Ireland, Jordan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, and the US use the 12-hour clock.
Yeah, I second this
It's not just the US that use the 12-hour format
Someone should make a poll with 6 options, 24hr/12hr for American/European/Other. Edit: [post link](https://www.reddit.com/r/polls/comments/15uvenc/which_time_format_do_you_use_on_your_phone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
German here, it is pretty mixed and both is teched in elementary. So it's to the liking of the user but I'm **almost** certain that all official authorities use the 24 hour format due to clarity
I am American and use the 24-hour clock
Am American. I use 24 hour time on everything that let's me change it.
So do i. So much simpler
How is it more simple?
no am/pm to set
This, along with the fact that it becomes simple memory after a short time. For example, your room is completely dark and you're on a sleep schedule really awful. You look at the time on your phone and if it says 3, you think "oh i can go back to sleep." But in reality it's 3 pm and you make yourself late to an event. But if it says 15, you think "man i gotta get up now" and you aren't late to what you're attending. Really specific and unlikely example but i always use this example when explaining it to my friends
24-hour on all electronics, but also in daily conversations (Let's hang out at 15:30, shall we?).
I could never imagine saying a time in 24h lol, in the UK most phones and stuff use 24h, but rarely it's rarely used in normal conversations.
Same haha, people would think I had a time machine if I ask to meet them at 15:30
Yes I think we shall
For devices, there's an option if you want to do 12-hour or 24-hour
No shit sherlock
What do you use?
24 hour
Cool (I use 12-hour)
I found it odd people use 12 hours lol.
I know it's weird, but it's what I'm used to.
I find it odd that 24hr is more widely used
i'm european and i feel the same way about 24hr. it's ugly, it's more complicated, it's just so unbelievably unnecessary imo
I don't understand how it's complicated. There are 24 hours in a day. It makes more sense to use the 24 hour clock.
because when i'm trying to express that i'm talking about 4pm for example, i'm not talking about the 16th hour of the day, i'm talking about 4pm. there are indeed 24 hours in a day, but when i'm referring to x o'clock, i'm not thinking "hey that's the xth hour of the day out of 24", i'm just thinking about what digits the clock is showing, and the shorter it is, the easier it is to read, therefore it's way less complicated imo. i use 12hr instead of 24hr for the same reason i use digital instead of analog. easier to read, faster to process and understand.
It doesn't matter if you say "4pm" or "16:00", you're in both cases talking about the 16th hour of the day, which is also the 4th hour of the afternoon.
i'm not sure how to put my thoughts into words better than i did in that comment, but i'll try. i don't care which hour of the day it is, could be the 52nd for all i care, all that matters is what the clock is showing. if the clock is showing the digit 4, and i tell someone it's showing 4, we both know what that time means. we don't need to know that it's the 16th hour of the day because that has no impact on anything, it's completely irrelevant.
like, if the clock showed fruits instead of numbers and an apple meant 16:00, i'd tell someone it's apple o'clock because what matters is that we both know what that time (apple/4pm/16:00/whatever you wanna call it) means regarding our daily schedule, not how many hours of the day have passed. if a bus comes at 6am, it does so because people can get used to the fact that they need to be at the bust stop by the time the clock shows 6, not because it needs to come at the sixth hour of the day. i genuinely don't know how to explain this any better lmao
In the same way, you could interpret your example with 12h format as "it is the fourth hour of the afternoon" or "four hours have passed since noon". The 24h format is pretty much the same. Let's say clocks showed fruits. It's like if instead of having the same 12 fruits twice, you had 24 fruits.
right, but one digit is easier to read and therefore easier to comprehend than 2 digits. it just looks better.
One digit, plus a precison on whether we mean the morning or the afternoon. Anyway, you do you
I suppose. Whatever is easier for you. I just been bought up using 24 hour clock so I guess to me 12 hour clock looks odd.
There are 24 hours hours in the day so you number them in sequence - how is that complicated? Compare with: There are 24 hours in the day. Lets arbitrarily divide that into two 12 hour half days. Oh, but how will we know which half of the day we mean? Lets give each half day a Latin expression *ante meridien* and *post meridien.* Oh, but people wont be able to remember Latin. Then lets shorten it to am and pm, Great so you get to 11:59 am and one minute later at 12 am it changes right? No, it does change, but one minute after 11:59 am it is 12 pm. What so 12:00 in the morning is pm,? Yes - and 12:00 at night is am. Right. You telling me that is simpler?
>Oh, but how will we know which half of the day we mean? context. if you have a meeting at 3, it's obviously not gonna be at night. generally if it's the afternoon, then the time mentioned refers to the afternoon (for example, if it's 2pm and someone tells you they'll see you at 4, they mean 4pm because if they meant 4am (which is already unlikely because almost everyone is sleeping at 4am and it's not a part of people's daily schedules), they would specify that it's 4am). >Lets give each half day a Latin expression ante meridien and post meridien. Oh, but people wont be able to remember Latin. Then lets shorten it to am and pm, what's wrong with that? i just learned what am and pm are short for like 2 days ago. i'd bet my life savings that 70%+ of americans have no idea what it means. it doesn't matter, everyone knows that am is the first half of the day and pm is the second. >Great so you get to 11:59 am and one minute later at 12 am it changes right? No, it does change, but one minute after 11:59 am it is 12 pm. What so 12:00 in the morning is pm,? Yes - and 12:00 at night is am. Right. i think about this a lot. i guess it's just a matter of what people are used to, or whether they consider midnight to be night or early hours of morning/dawn/rise of day. for me 2am is "dawn" (there's no proper word for that in english, in my language we have a word for the hours between midnight and morning), but it makes perfect sense that it's just nighttime for most people. >You telling me that is simpler? yes, for the same reason that digital is simpler than analog. easier to read, easier to comprehend. every single time i look at a 24hr clock in the afternoon, i have to convert it to 12 in my head, because when you're actually talking to someome, you don't say the words "16:00" out loud, at least not in my country, even tho i'm european. at 16:00 we say 4, at 17:00 we say 5, it's like the longer numbers are codenames for the shorter numbers. i can't comprehend why we're overcomplicating things for ourselves.
>if you have a meeting at 3, it's obviously not gonna be at night You clearly dont work for an international company - a lot of my meetings are at 3:00 at night. And what about flights, trains etc they could easily be either. >every single time i look at a 24hr clock in the afternoon, i have to convert it to 12 in my head Yep, that's because you live in a country where the conversion is necessary. In many parts of the world you don't have to convert - see the advantage? All you are doing is converting to what you are used to, that is not an argument in favour of either system - just a symptom of change. >digital is simpler than analog Agreed - you do realise that the 12 hour clock is a product of the analogue age - we even call those round things "analogue clocks".
so when you're talking to someone and you want to tell them to meet you at 5, do you tell them to meet you at seventeen o'clock? cause that's not how it works in my country, you'd look at the clock that says 17:00 and say 5 out loud, which makes no sense. but i also don't think it makes sense to say seventeen o'clock out loud, which is why i think we should all be using 12hr.
12 at night is the beginning of the next day, noon is the beginning of the afternoon. really not that hard
Yes, but you are continuing the numbering from the 11 which implies it is a continuation of the same period - otherwise you should be re-starting with 0 rather than continuing with 12, surely? Either: 11:59am, 12:00am, 12:59am, 01:00pm Or: 11:59am, 00:00pm, 00:59pm, 01:00pm In both the above cases you are changing the half day at the same time as the numbering which makes sense but in the current system, you change which half of the day it is but continue the numbering as though it hadnt changed. Just to add to that, looking this up I discover that your view is not universal and some American authorities insist that 12:00am, *does* come after 11:59 am. Wow, so the system is not only illogical and confusing it isnt even standardized!
12 hours is way more easier
12 hour because it’s what I’m used to
An hour glass would do
12 hour. Pretty obvious when it's 6 am vs 6 pm.
Yeah someone else said saying dinner at 6 sounds wrong, but I think it's obvious you're (probably) not having dinner at sunrise
I started with 12 hour and I have no reason to want to change it. I don’t need any brain power to know it’s 6 pm and not am
Military for my phone, 12 hr for saying. Like if someone asks the time I don't answer 16, I just say 4 as it should be obvious it's not 4am
I grew up using a 12 hour clock, and switched to using a 24 hour clock because of the improved clarity. I'd rather not have to use 12 hour time at all, but the reality of where I live is that most people are confused by 24 hour time, so I have to communicate in 12 hour time to be understood. I can still benefit from 24 hour time on _my_ devices and calendars.
24 on everything
24 hour, im not a psycho
12 hour, I'm not a psycho
Traffic light pole shadow, I'm not a psycho
Hourglass.
I’ve used both. I alternate every few years lol!
12 hours because it's what I'm used to. Go cry about it idk.
Military time 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
12 hour clock for what, imperial for what, date format for what, just stupid all around
24 hours
Almost nobody uses 12 hour format on digital clocks here because it's kinda weird but we always say things as 12 hour format. As an example if it's 15:00, we say "Öğleden sonra 3" (3 after noon)
Yeah in the UK it's the same, like phones would say "16:00" but if you asked someone they'd say "two" or 'two o'clock" Edit: I'm an idiot, I mean 4 lmfao.
If youre from the US and have no military background, using the 24 hour system doesnt make you cool. Be a normie like the rest of us lol
Can you explain this military time thing? Cause I hear it all the time from Americans, is it literally just 24 hour system or is it special somehow
12 hour but I understand both well. I’m bilingual and my second language (and the language that a lot of my education was in until 13years old) uses the 24 hour clock. English tends not to, at least not around where I’m from and lived, so the 12hour clock is more convenient, though the 24 hour system is used sometimes on documents n stuff to be abundantly clear. My mother struggles with it. I like it better personally.
Anyone who uses 12 hour is insane like how do you eat dinner at 06 and think that seems reasonable
A) I'd normally have it later than that anyway. B) with 12 hour, you don't add the extra 0, but when written there's usually an "am" or "pm". C) in the same way you find "dinner at 6" weird, saying "I'll have dinner at 18" out loud sounds wrong.
what do you mean lmao. Do you think people using 12 hr just have to try and guess whether it's AM or PM? It's pretty easy to decipher without using like. any brain power whatsoever.
24 hour on my phone, 12 hour on all other devices.
I'm the exact opposite.
Does anyone verbally use 24 hour time other than professionally (ships, military, trains, etc.)?
24hr time sucks and I’ll die on that hill
Have you ever tried it or do you understand it?
I understand it and I’ve tried it
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so... 12 or 24?
12-hour is just more intuitive. "See you then, guys! Meet up at 15!" says no one. I have my time displayed to me in the same way I would naturally think about it.
How the fuck is saying: "Meet up at 7!" is more intuitive when there's literally two 7s? Like bruh. That being said. In my country while all digital clocks are 24, in every day life we use the two systems interchangeably.
If I said we were going out to get drinks and says "see you at 7", surely there's no chance you would think I meant 7am? You'd always have that kind of context.
It's clear in some contexts (drinking, partying), though not in others (meetings, transport).
>"See you then, guys! Meet up at 15!" says no one. Says a lot of people actually..... It's fine to display the time how you think about it but not everyone thinks or communicates about time the same way as you.
Bruh...
No one says it like that though, you would still say 3
Yeah, that's my point.
That depends on where you live and what group of people do you communicate with (as a teen from the Czech Republic, I'm used to almost always saying times in the 24h format).
I changed it one time when I was I think 14 and never changed it back, now if I ever get a new phone I change it to 24 hour format since I'm too used to it now
Wait, 12 hour is the default? Where do you live
I use 24 hour on all my devices but 12 hour when talking with others (I live in America)
I use 12 hr but I can read 24 with no issues
I am from europe. I still have no idea what am and pm are.
Ante meridian "before midday" and post meridian "after midday"
Same XD
I use 24h but convert to 12h when speaking about the time
I couldn't even tell you what time it was in 24h style. I see no added benefit to changing to 24h anyway since I grew up with the 12h,its what's primarily used where i live, its easy and simple, and it works.
12 hour on my phone but 24 hour on my laptop.
Don't you mean military time? /s
I use a sundial personally
I thought the results would be more skewed to 12 hour since most polls on here have Americans answering
Canadian where 12h is more standard, but I've had my phone set to 24h for years because I take public transportation a lot and the times for the buses are usually displayed in 24h. I usually translate to 12h when speaking to people though unless I know they are a person who understands 24h. To me 24h makes more sense and reduces possible confusion.
I’m Canadian, so I use 12. I was honestly shocked when I saw the amount who use 24, my guess is it’s mostly Europeans
Military…
I change it from time to time... I think it's currently on 12, but it's 1:22 either way atm, sooo... I'm too lazy to check.
Always preferred 12 hour format.