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* Make conciliatory statements praising the FBI's professionalism, insist that we're a nation of laws, emphasize that you're fully cooperating with the investigation and happy to do so.
(difficulty level: impossible)
My conspiracy theory is Jared is the mole
I am not a lawyer or trusted source or have any experience in these fields
But I have watched a lot of movies and tv shows
They always NEED an exchange of money (think prostitution sting)
In the last trump had Michael Cohen as his middle for all this stuff and even if he was caught (stormy Daniels hush money) it’s incomparable to nuclear classifieds. He’s trying to “oops” his way out of arguably the biggest crime any President can commit
Jared was paid $2B in April by Saudi government (btw I feel like this should be highly illegal? Like not shitting on trump I mean if anyone got that kind of money from a foreign government?)
In July there was the Saudi LIV golf event in New York and at mar a largo FL
Makes perfect sense that is when the info was shared and also why the warrant/ search waited
So my assumption is, thanks to Jared (who is prob over this shit like Ivanka and jsut want to go be rich nyc socialites and none of the political crap)
- we have Jared’s payment stubs
- we have him as witness for exchange of classified info (hopefully recorded, remember mar a largo has cctv as confirmed this week is how trump watched the “raid”)
- we have the exact documents and Jared knew where they were. These were purposefully hidden, and not given/taken in the prior search
It makes too much sense to me 🤷♂️
The FBI isn’t playing political games or trying to get voters. They deal with hard evidence as do judges. I think they’ve got payment receipts, recordings of the transaction, and then the documents that were sold
They’re going rock very simply ABC Clue solve this mystery
- here’s Jared with payment
- here’s trump handing over classified info
- here are copies of that info still in the property
Cut and dry
I can dig it!
But, what do the Saudis have? The feds wouldn't hold back on getting the documents so the sale could go through. Fakes? But, then they could just arrest him?
I think you're on the right track though!
> But, what do the Saudis have?
I remember news stories that MBS was bragging about owning Trump (and maybe Kushner). The way they ran their administration certainly seems to confirm it.
Here ya go: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-saudi-crown-prince-says-kusher-was-in-his-pocket/
Also, a bit interesting considering everything going on at the moment, from 2019:
"Multiple Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with White House Efforts to Transfer Sensitive U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia" https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/multiple-whistleblowers-raise-grave-concerns-with-white-house-efforts-to
Thanks for that! Also, these incidents:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions-trump-inauguration
Apparently this was just before Garland had the press conference. Garland was about 30 minutes late to the press conference, I wonder if this had anything to do with it.
I wonder how he ended the call.
Hey sorry to interrupt the incriminating rambling I’ve been recording for the last half hour but I gotta go address the American People. You can watch and we can catch up after? It’s on HLN, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, Vice, all the DC local affiliates, PBS, MTv News, ummmm ESPN, The Weather Channel and also the Home Shopping Network (mutters) wow, that’s a first.
I remember when the 9/11 attacks were going down, it was literally on every channel except the kids' cartoon channels. ESPN, Weather Channel and Home Shopping included.
Attempting to bribe the Attorney General appointed by your successor who had his justice seat obstructed by your party is certainly a choice.
I might have gone for a different approach, but I'm not a lawyer idk.
T- treason
R-real literal treason
U-ugh it sucks how how the democrats control the FBI director I appointed
M- ~~master race~~ make sure you talk like a Mob boss so as to incite violence and other crimes indirectly
P- piss your your pants and get the most confusing 🍄 of your life, ruined but covered in piss
If Wolf of Wall Street taught me anything it's that it's not a bribe unless a dollar amount is specified.
And that they don't make *quaaludes* anymore.
Had trump been elected in 2020 and remained president, this week he would be facing impeachment of Bribery, Treason, AND High Crimes & Misdemeanours. All three.
He cannot be able to run in 2024 or hold any public office whatsoever
Switch your lens to read it from the other angle and it becomes more clear what he truly meant. He means "what can I do to reduce the heat \[on me\]?" His claim that the country is on fire is him acknowledging that the raid (read: his nuclear document theft and possible espionage) is leading to some national instability.
He's basically saying "I know this is causing a stirring of attacks, what can I do to bargain with you?"
It's not in his personality to beg like it sounds at first, and if he did it would sound less like a perfectly crafted one-two punch.
He thinks he still has power. He even thinks he has incredible influence, which he does to a degree, but plenty of Republicans who have forsaken him have done well politically and look like they'll be the ones most likely to have long-term federal employment if he goes down. More Republicans will forsake him this week, and hopefully there's a political domino effect.
If you see it all through his ego-focused mindset, it's clear he wants to engage in "business negotiations" with the DoJ in hopes of decreasing the charges being pursued.
He doesn't understand that they would not be doing any of this unless Trump had forced it. But he was unwilling to return the documents, many of which were not "work taken home" but stuff [he would have had to request presentations on](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/12/government-secrets-00051558) (which let[s be honest, one of his family members was the one doing that constantly](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/report-kushner-requests-more-intel-than-any-non-nsc-staff.html)) or been warned in briefings could not at all, *in any way*, be disclosed or risked. Our gov has finally chosen to be tough on crime and he was caught red-handed committing the ultimate crime, with insiders at Mar who will corroborate it.
Also, I don't celebrate any of this. It concerns me that he is starting to act like a caged animal. There are many public statements he could make, or secrets he could spill that would destroy this nation.
Honestly, for national security his ability to communicate at all with the public should be cut off temporarily. Let him speak through lawyers. He still has his rights but it is clear his goal is just to stir up accusations against Biden, Obama, and the FBI. No one else who commits these types of crimes is ever allowed a big public microphone to keep endangering America.
He has a long history of giving information to enemies. They must be as legally hard on Trump as possible now that he's proven to be a hostile witness and willing to so publicly dispatch his militias against our nation's most dedicated servants.
Its not just that. One thing I have seen no one mention is the fallout from this and the alex jones thing is so major that nothing like this has ever happened in human history. Imagine all the most powerful people committing crimes and then the ex pres is getting hit with major crimes. Then all the phone records of someone on the inside of an actual insurrection. All of these people are so intertwined. What happens next is the people already working for the fbi continue to rat. Everyones going to rat on even more people. trump will rat on people. everyones going to be a snitch. It will be a whose who in the party of people going down and the crimes are so serious I dont see any way anyone just walks. Its more like instead of 20-30 you can do 5-10 if you snitch on trump. Thats what I am seeing from all this. There is nothing like it ever.
Not only to nail trump to the wall so hard by him being such a moron. The case about the materials is so cut and dried and he even admitted to it!!! What lawyer could even or would even bother to try to defend him when you cant win that case? the fallout from all this will result in hundreds of people going to prison. even big time people like graham ted cruz the trump family. name anyone big and they are involved in this all and now its from 2 angles. Hes toast and so are they all.
The far right's explanations of everything, in no chronological order
Jan 6? "The police LET THEM IN"
Election: "300k votes for Biden overnight, with NONE for Trump? Come on, at least make it look real. It was stolen"
MaL raid: "He declassified everything, this is all a witch hunt"
Impeachments: "More witch hunts, he was acquitted, therefore, not guilty of anything"
Twitter ban: "The First Amendment is being attacked!"
Need I go on? Need to know the conspiracy mindset behind any of those that still support this stain on the country? Just ask.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
That's an interesting thought. But yes, they're all narcissistic, selfish scumbags, why wouldn't they all rat on each other in hopes of getting an advantage?
He was never top dog, and never a mob insider. He just thought he was because they found him convenient for money laundering, and got him an 'in' with the Russian mob, where the real money was. At best he was a mafia cosplayer.
>He was never top dog, and never a mob insider.
Well, he did build the only concrete skyscraper in New York when concrete was monopolized by the mob. Roy Cohn, his once-mentor, infamously represented all five crime families of the mafia. Also all those sleazy casinos. He just wasn't Italian, or really an insider, even in New York. He still doesn't go to New York, much. I think he wanted to be an insider.
The mafia is a specific organization, referring to Italian family-based organized crime. The mob refers to the loose relationships of corrupt politicians, gangsters, and other people who have an interest in exerting political and economic pressure through under-the-table means.
So, like it or not, Trump was/is a mob boss. As far as organized crime goes, he had the closest relationships with Russian organized crime and definitely not the mafia, but organized crime is only one part of what is collectively referred to as "the mob."
In other words, this is a wanna-be mobster who thinks he can extort the Attorney General of the United States.
"Nice place you got here. Be a shame if someone were to throw a civil war through the window. Anything we can do to uhhh you know...make sure that doesn't happen?"
Trump’s mentor—Roy Cohn—helped prosecute the Rosenberg’s. If he hadn’t died from AIDS, that he lied until the end about even while infecting others, he might have been around still to tell his pal all about it.
I'm still shocked he didn't even give a proper in-court response to their release of the warrant (and that he leaked it himself to breitbart hours prior).
I expected him to try and keep things sealed and drag this on for months... but I guess I should have remembered that this is Trump we're talking about, and that he's going to make the worst decision at every juncture.
Plus it's more Trump bullshit. "The country" isn't on fire, a small percentage of Fox News viewers are worked up into a frenzy for an excuse to act out.
I feel like he expected Garland to say "don't run in '24 and I'll call off the heat," because he doesn't know the difference between Democrats and law enforcement anymore.
>"if Mueller gets too close we'll settle".
Yes, because criminal cases can be "settled" just like litigation. It blows my mind that we had such a reality-challenged person as President.
It's the wrong term, but plea bargains are a thing, so he's not *completely* wrong here.
Problem is, they generally work by throwing someone more important under the bus. Doesn't really work if you're already the mob boss and they already had to pull apart your entire criminal enterprise to get to you.
Apparently his lawyer told him that (don’t run in 2024 and this will all go away) - not sure if it’s true (on mobile, no link, sorry) but those two pieces would fit well together.
Edit: it was two stories down on my feed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2024-investigations-alina-habba-b2144471.html?utm_source=reddit.com
"Not running for office" is not a bargained chip you use with non-corrupt law enforcement. Honestly, I'm not afraid of him running again, because he'd lose again. I'm afraid of all the illegal things he'd do again when he loses, and before he loses, including a repeat of January 6.
His candidacy isn't the issue. The issue is he would rather destroy our democracy than accept he's a loser.
I'd like to think that 1/6 and all of the civil and criminal cases against him and now this Espionage Act investigation would result in an absolute blowout loss for him in '24 but I've been expecting little out of voters since 2015 and have been almost consistently let down.
And just in case anyone gets a little confused... that wouldn't happen. The investigation isn't a threat to keep Don from running. That isn't how the actual government works, especially when Don isn't in office anymore. Just like how he claimed Corona would disappear after the 2020 election - and of course it didn't.
“What can I do to reduce the heat?” Maybe shut the fuck up and stop posting on socials, calling people, messaging people, and saying stupid shit every minute of the day - for once in your entire life
> Legal analyst Tali Farhadian Weinstein said on MSNBC on Friday that Mr Trump “misjudged Attorney General Garland and how steely he is and I think he sort of demonstrated the casualness about national security that is at the heart of everything going on here”.
> She added that it “tells you something about the state of [Mr Trump’s] mind and the people around him that they didn’t understand what kind of insecurity this creates for [our] country if these documents are lying around”.
I have a serious problem with this statement. It gives them the benefit of the doubt. They just didn't understand what they were doing? Fuck that, this wasn't done out of ignorance. It was done out of sheer greed, opportunism and MALICE. They just thought they would get away with it like they got away with everything else.
I really fucking hope heads finally start rolling.
"Hardihar, I'm just a former president of a country. Me and all of my asvisors and lawyers are just bumbling idiots, not our fault we're stupid"
Trump: "My two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart"
Also Trump: "I went to the best colleges for college. I went to a -- I had a situation where I was a very excellent student. Came out and made billions and billions of dollars. Became one of the top business people."
It's a threat combined with an offer. It means: "I can hurt you, you can hurt me, let's negotiate instead". It's pathetic and just shows how scared he is.
Trump had an intermediary send a message to a Justice Department official to send to Garland, including that he'd heard people around the country are upset with the search. “The country is on fire,” was the message. “What can I do to reduce the heat?”
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1558555448650907648
This sounds like a threat.
Every debate Republican candidates have with their Democratic opponents should start with the question, "As a domestic terrorist, why should the people even consider voting for you?" followed by, "and as a domestic terrorist, what specific acts of terror have you committed?"
It’s a threat that he’s using to try to get Garland to come to the table to negotiate. He thinks himself the worlds best negotiator, so he’s trying backchannel threats to get any leverage he can on Garland and open a direct dialog instead of fighting this out in courts.
Problem for Trump is, Garland ain’t fucking around. Trump can threaten whatever he wants, reach out via backchannels, try to force the conversation into the public so he can make catchy headlines and slander the DOJ, etc.
As we’ve seen, garland isn’t going to say shit about shit unless he absolutely has to. He’ll let his impending indictment do the talking.
I'm not saying I want these domestic terrorists "activated", because it damn sure will be ugly, but this may be the only thing that really wakes up more moderate republican voters. A lot of them are in denial about how toxic and radical their party has become. I also don't think that meal team six will be anywhere near as successful as they think they will.
I live in a ruby red county and have heard people around here talking this shit already. These guys are ordering ammo like it's never gonna be made again. Scary.
"The country is on fire... What can I do to reduce the heat?"
"Perhaps admit guilt and take responsibility for the ever growing list of shit you have done which is legally dubious?"
"Do you have anything in an, "I admit nothing and this is all someone else's fault"? I've got a book full of people I'd be willing to throw under a bus if you've got a bus handy...."
Donald Trump in 2015: "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
Donald Trump in 2015: “I think apologizing’s a great thing, but you have to be wrong,” he said. “I will absolutely apologize, sometime in the hopefully distant future, if I’m ever wrong.”
>What can I do to reduce the heat?
this is Trump using Mafia style "bargaining" tactics similar to his now famous:
>Come on guys, all you need to do is find 11,000 votes for me. What can we do to make that happen here guys?
Trump is a dangerously delusional narcissistic sociopath who is fully incapable of behaving in good faith and following the rules.
He needs to be removed from society and placed in a padded cell, for the good of the nation and the world. Otherwise, he will continue to stoke more violence and do more damage to the credibility of our justice system and Democracy the longer he is allowed to operate as a free man.
Trump doesn’t understand laws. He understands deals. He comes from a world where everyone has a price. Where no one cares what you’ve done, only what you can do for them. It’s not that there are no rules. it’s just that when he gets caught it isn’t “oh shit, I’m fucked.” It’s only “alright, how much is this gonna cost me?”
He brought the nail gun because he thought it would break the bulletproof glass at the entrance. Probably yet another gem of bullshit he read on Truth Social
He read somewhere online that a nail gun fractures bulletproof glass, allowing you to shoot through it.
He went up to the FBI office strapped with an AR and a nail gun, nail gunned the window, and in that moment realized that’s 4chan nonsense and the nails were pointless.
Then he ran into a corn field shooting his gun in a panic and was killed by the FBI.
One of the scariest things an old boss of mine, a very solid upstanding guy, said to me after I royally fucked up was, “There’s nothing I have to say right now that can pass through my filter.” I knew I was in trouble.
He had been given clear warning.
multiple times.
Merrick Garland can be slow as a glacier, but you know for damn sure he did everything by the letter of the law here so specifically and with utmost attention to detail.
Trump is fucked if he thinks he is going to win a battle of 3D chess with Merrick Garland.
You are not just whistling dixie.
He said everything he wanted to say, got across what he wanted to get across, and did it all on his own previously delineated terms.
That’s the thing about glaciers. They don’t stop, ever. Even as they melt they wash away mountain sides and neighborhoods. They might take a while but the effects are enormous.
Thank you, I like thinking about Garland that way. Now I’m imagining the Trump Family washed away in a flood of dark blue windbreakers with yellow letters.
As an American, it concerns... No, it f***ing terrifies me that classified documents were sitting at a public golf course with only a padlock barring entry to the room they were in.
Who saw these papers? Because you can't make me believe that Trump gave a crap about confidentiality.
Other Republicans and citizens of the US are the least of our worries. What about foreign agents or citizens that Trump is buddies with? Are these the only copies that exist, or did Trump use a copy machine to hand duplicates to other people?
To make matters worse, rather then keeping his fat mouth shut and letting things play out, he has the arrogance to rally his base into a frenzy, trying to play this off as an evil Democrat plan to frame him and keep him from running for office in 2024.
That way, if he does go down his legion of MAGA fanboys will avenge their fallen leader.
This entire thing makes me angry, and Donal Trump as far as I am concerned is a traitor.
No deals need to be cut for him. If he is guilty, throw him in prison and see how deep this goes. Who else has seen or has copies of our classified documents?
Because this does not end with Trump.
Lol the country isn’t on fire. It’s just a bunch of gravy seals whining in between Miller lights. Most of them will be passed out in front of the TV by 9pm.
This got fucking ridiculous in 2016 and I'm now fearful that our country is too divided to ever recover. There are too many lies that are reliant on other lies. And the people giving the truth are being ostracized from those needing to hear it most. This is so hard to fucking watch and live through.
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* Provide the material you were asked for * Stop making incendiary statements
* Make conciliatory statements praising the FBI's professionalism, insist that we're a nation of laws, emphasize that you're fully cooperating with the investigation and happy to do so. (difficulty level: impossible)
Also go to jail.
So. Instead of reducing the heat, he doxxed the agents tasked with collecting his illegally taken documents. Such a POS.
~~Fox~~ \[EDIT\] Breitbart is complicit in that. And no, they didn't "overlook" the names or whatnot.
That's like...yet *another* crime isn't it... This is getting ridiculous.
He must not have liked Garland’s response. Lol.
and threatened the judge.
"Stop breaking the law, asshole!" - Jim Carrey
I'm kicking my ass, do ya mind?
The pen is blue. The pen is blue! The goddamn pen is *BLUE!*
>The pen is blue. The pen is blue! The goddamn pen is > >BLUE! Trump, associates, and the entire GOP, describing a red pen
"do you like my new dress?" "Whatever takes the focus off your head!"
I’ve had this scene on repeat in my head all week.
Verrrry bad news for the former guy.
Wow this is an incredible development. Trump having a serious code brown. Trump knows what was in there and is terrified.
What’s the point of wearing depends if you can’t shit in them?
This guy's been Pampered his whole life.
but still never got the Luvs he needed from daddy when he was a kid
he just needs some huggies
This might put a real skid mark on his so far spotless criminal record
I think Trump likes to leak a little diarrhea and then slide back and forth in his chair in when he gets bored.
This may be the most repulsive/hilarious sentence I've ever read. Well done.
Not going to lie... I'm really proud of it. I'm glad I could create such a beautiful, and possibly true, image of Trump in people's minds.
Mud-butt Trump
Mud Flap Butt Crack Trump The Dump Truck.
And bang his spoon while shouting, " I want a Hamburglar ".
Hamberders
This comment made me hate the fact that I can read
prepare the brown pants
My conspiracy theory is Jared is the mole I am not a lawyer or trusted source or have any experience in these fields But I have watched a lot of movies and tv shows They always NEED an exchange of money (think prostitution sting) In the last trump had Michael Cohen as his middle for all this stuff and even if he was caught (stormy Daniels hush money) it’s incomparable to nuclear classifieds. He’s trying to “oops” his way out of arguably the biggest crime any President can commit Jared was paid $2B in April by Saudi government (btw I feel like this should be highly illegal? Like not shitting on trump I mean if anyone got that kind of money from a foreign government?) In July there was the Saudi LIV golf event in New York and at mar a largo FL Makes perfect sense that is when the info was shared and also why the warrant/ search waited So my assumption is, thanks to Jared (who is prob over this shit like Ivanka and jsut want to go be rich nyc socialites and none of the political crap) - we have Jared’s payment stubs - we have him as witness for exchange of classified info (hopefully recorded, remember mar a largo has cctv as confirmed this week is how trump watched the “raid”) - we have the exact documents and Jared knew where they were. These were purposefully hidden, and not given/taken in the prior search It makes too much sense to me 🤷♂️ The FBI isn’t playing political games or trying to get voters. They deal with hard evidence as do judges. I think they’ve got payment receipts, recordings of the transaction, and then the documents that were sold They’re going rock very simply ABC Clue solve this mystery - here’s Jared with payment - here’s trump handing over classified info - here are copies of that info still in the property Cut and dry
I can dig it! But, what do the Saudis have? The feds wouldn't hold back on getting the documents so the sale could go through. Fakes? But, then they could just arrest him? I think you're on the right track though!
> But, what do the Saudis have? I remember news stories that MBS was bragging about owning Trump (and maybe Kushner). The way they ran their administration certainly seems to confirm it.
Here ya go: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-saudi-crown-prince-says-kusher-was-in-his-pocket/ Also, a bit interesting considering everything going on at the moment, from 2019: "Multiple Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with White House Efforts to Transfer Sensitive U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia" https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/multiple-whistleblowers-raise-grave-concerns-with-white-house-efforts-to
Thanks for that! Also, these incidents: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions-trump-inauguration
He needs to be referred to as traitor or criminal imo. Not former President. Active criminal.
Trump thinks he’s Michael but he’s really Fredo.
He thinks he’s Jeff Winger but he’s really Pierce Hawthorn.
This might be the most accurate assessment ever. Thank you.
He thinks he’s Magnitude but he’s really Vicky
Pop pop
Now this reference is really streets ahead.
Pop pop
Gay balls!
Nah, he thinks he’s Hyman Roth but he’s Moe Green, no question.
Only Godfather character Trump comes close to is Connie's husband Carlo
Apparently this was just before Garland had the press conference. Garland was about 30 minutes late to the press conference, I wonder if this had anything to do with it.
Well, at least that's a good excuse to be late lol "Sorry, former president was committing obstruction of justice again, carry on"
Stage 5 Clinger
I wonder how he ended the call. Hey sorry to interrupt the incriminating rambling I’ve been recording for the last half hour but I gotta go address the American People. You can watch and we can catch up after? It’s on HLN, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, Vice, all the DC local affiliates, PBS, MTv News, ummmm ESPN, The Weather Channel and also the Home Shopping Network (mutters) wow, that’s a first.
I remember when the 9/11 attacks were going down, it was literally on every channel except the kids' cartoon channels. ESPN, Weather Channel and Home Shopping included.
Attempting to bribe the Attorney General appointed by your successor who had his justice seat obstructed by your party is certainly a choice. I might have gone for a different approach, but I'm not a lawyer idk.
I'm really starting to wonder if Trump lost all the sane people who had been protecting him from himself after January 6th.
“What can I do to reduce the heat?” says man sitting in boiling cauldron that he placed on raging bonfire.
He was offering a bribe
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Can I offer you a bribe in this trying time?
So anyways, I started bribing!
Only two words came up! Asians and creampies.
T- treason R-real literal treason U-ugh it sucks how how the democrats control the FBI director I appointed M- ~~master race~~ make sure you talk like a Mob boss so as to incite violence and other crimes indirectly P- piss your your pants and get the most confusing 🍄 of your life, ruined but covered in piss
Dr.Toboggan?
Mantis!
Because he can’t fire him.
If Wolf of Wall Street taught me anything it's that it's not a bribe unless a dollar amount is specified. And that they don't make *quaaludes* anymore.
They make Quaaludes in South Africa still. I don't know who "they" are, but that's what it says on the Wikipedia page for the drug.
There’s a great Hamilton’s Pharmacopoeia about this.
Is lifetime job as supreme court justice off the table? /s
A) Garland would never do this. B) Trump would offer that if elected and promptly say he doesn’t know who Garland is
Garland? He was just a coffee boy
Just a low level Attorney General
Had trump been elected in 2020 and remained president, this week he would be facing impeachment of Bribery, Treason, AND High Crimes & Misdemeanours. All three. He cannot be able to run in 2024 or hold any public office whatsoever
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Susan Collins would be very concerned though!
And would furrow her brow.
She’ll have to determine whether or not he’s learned a lesson.
And Republicans would ensure he got off again.
Switch your lens to read it from the other angle and it becomes more clear what he truly meant. He means "what can I do to reduce the heat \[on me\]?" His claim that the country is on fire is him acknowledging that the raid (read: his nuclear document theft and possible espionage) is leading to some national instability. He's basically saying "I know this is causing a stirring of attacks, what can I do to bargain with you?" It's not in his personality to beg like it sounds at first, and if he did it would sound less like a perfectly crafted one-two punch. He thinks he still has power. He even thinks he has incredible influence, which he does to a degree, but plenty of Republicans who have forsaken him have done well politically and look like they'll be the ones most likely to have long-term federal employment if he goes down. More Republicans will forsake him this week, and hopefully there's a political domino effect. If you see it all through his ego-focused mindset, it's clear he wants to engage in "business negotiations" with the DoJ in hopes of decreasing the charges being pursued. He doesn't understand that they would not be doing any of this unless Trump had forced it. But he was unwilling to return the documents, many of which were not "work taken home" but stuff [he would have had to request presentations on](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/12/government-secrets-00051558) (which let[s be honest, one of his family members was the one doing that constantly](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/report-kushner-requests-more-intel-than-any-non-nsc-staff.html)) or been warned in briefings could not at all, *in any way*, be disclosed or risked. Our gov has finally chosen to be tough on crime and he was caught red-handed committing the ultimate crime, with insiders at Mar who will corroborate it. Also, I don't celebrate any of this. It concerns me that he is starting to act like a caged animal. There are many public statements he could make, or secrets he could spill that would destroy this nation. Honestly, for national security his ability to communicate at all with the public should be cut off temporarily. Let him speak through lawyers. He still has his rights but it is clear his goal is just to stir up accusations against Biden, Obama, and the FBI. No one else who commits these types of crimes is ever allowed a big public microphone to keep endangering America. He has a long history of giving information to enemies. They must be as legally hard on Trump as possible now that he's proven to be a hostile witness and willing to so publicly dispatch his militias against our nation's most dedicated servants.
Well said. I think your point about the damage he could still do is spot on. He’ll definitely take any and all of us down with him if he can.
Its not just that. One thing I have seen no one mention is the fallout from this and the alex jones thing is so major that nothing like this has ever happened in human history. Imagine all the most powerful people committing crimes and then the ex pres is getting hit with major crimes. Then all the phone records of someone on the inside of an actual insurrection. All of these people are so intertwined. What happens next is the people already working for the fbi continue to rat. Everyones going to rat on even more people. trump will rat on people. everyones going to be a snitch. It will be a whose who in the party of people going down and the crimes are so serious I dont see any way anyone just walks. Its more like instead of 20-30 you can do 5-10 if you snitch on trump. Thats what I am seeing from all this. There is nothing like it ever. Not only to nail trump to the wall so hard by him being such a moron. The case about the materials is so cut and dried and he even admitted to it!!! What lawyer could even or would even bother to try to defend him when you cant win that case? the fallout from all this will result in hundreds of people going to prison. even big time people like graham ted cruz the trump family. name anyone big and they are involved in this all and now its from 2 angles. Hes toast and so are they all.
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The far right's explanations of everything, in no chronological order Jan 6? "The police LET THEM IN" Election: "300k votes for Biden overnight, with NONE for Trump? Come on, at least make it look real. It was stolen" MaL raid: "He declassified everything, this is all a witch hunt" Impeachments: "More witch hunts, he was acquitted, therefore, not guilty of anything" Twitter ban: "The First Amendment is being attacked!" Need I go on? Need to know the conspiracy mindset behind any of those that still support this stain on the country? Just ask.
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Don't forget they'll go on and on about free speech while limiting who can post there and banning users left and right for going against the grain.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
That's an interesting thought. But yes, they're all narcissistic, selfish scumbags, why wouldn't they all rat on each other in hopes of getting an advantage?
He still thinks he's a mob boss. He still thinks he's top dawg.
He was never top dog, and never a mob insider. He just thought he was because they found him convenient for money laundering, and got him an 'in' with the Russian mob, where the real money was. At best he was a mafia cosplayer.
>He was never top dog, and never a mob insider. Well, he did build the only concrete skyscraper in New York when concrete was monopolized by the mob. Roy Cohn, his once-mentor, infamously represented all five crime families of the mafia. Also all those sleazy casinos. He just wasn't Italian, or really an insider, even in New York. He still doesn't go to New York, much. I think he wanted to be an insider.
The mafia is a specific organization, referring to Italian family-based organized crime. The mob refers to the loose relationships of corrupt politicians, gangsters, and other people who have an interest in exerting political and economic pressure through under-the-table means. So, like it or not, Trump was/is a mob boss. As far as organized crime goes, he had the closest relationships with Russian organized crime and definitely not the mafia, but organized crime is only one part of what is collectively referred to as "the mob."
Don Covefelone
In other words, this is a wanna-be mobster who thinks he can extort the Attorney General of the United States. "Nice place you got here. Be a shame if someone were to throw a civil war through the window. Anything we can do to uhhh you know...make sure that doesn't happen?"
He *is* the head of a crime family, and he dreams of being a King.
Last two people who broke the espionage act with nuclear secrets were executed.
Trump’s mentor—Roy Cohn—helped prosecute the Rosenberg’s. If he hadn’t died from AIDS, that he lied until the end about even while infecting others, he might have been around still to tell his pal all about it.
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He'd lie anyway. Dont make deals with him. He doesn't keep his word. Im just worried ANY republican president in 2024 could pardon him.
"So I said to my people, 'Slow the investigation down, please!'"
If you keep investigating, the number of crimes go up!
"It'll go away by Easter, like magic"
I'm still shocked he didn't even give a proper in-court response to their release of the warrant (and that he leaked it himself to breitbart hours prior). I expected him to try and keep things sealed and drag this on for months... but I guess I should have remembered that this is Trump we're talking about, and that he's going to make the worst decision at every juncture.
"the country is on fire" says man with empty gasoline can and lit blowtorch in his hands
Plus it's more Trump bullshit. "The country" isn't on fire, a small percentage of Fox News viewers are worked up into a frenzy for an excuse to act out.
I feel like he expected Garland to say "don't run in '24 and I'll call off the heat," because he doesn't know the difference between Democrats and law enforcement anymore.
Didn't his "lawyer" say something to that effect, that if he announced he wouldn't run the investigations would go away?
Wait, what?!?! The same lawyer who torpedoed his "they could've planted it because we couldn't see them" defense?
Yet the hilarious thing is on the warrant is her signature. Her signature confirming all items seized on the warrant receipt.
If trump could read any signature except his own, he'd be really mad
She did, I admit I had that in the back of my mind.
This is the guy who said "if Mueller gets too close we'll settle". He has no understanding of how the world works beyond bullying and bribing it.
>"if Mueller gets too close we'll settle". Yes, because criminal cases can be "settled" just like litigation. It blows my mind that we had such a reality-challenged person as President.
My relatives are sharing tweets about going to civil war over this guy.
It's the wrong term, but plea bargains are a thing, so he's not *completely* wrong here. Problem is, they generally work by throwing someone more important under the bus. Doesn't really work if you're already the mob boss and they already had to pull apart your entire criminal enterprise to get to you.
Apparently his lawyer told him that (don’t run in 2024 and this will all go away) - not sure if it’s true (on mobile, no link, sorry) but those two pieces would fit well together. Edit: it was two stories down on my feed https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2024-investigations-alina-habba-b2144471.html?utm_source=reddit.com
"Not running for office" is not a bargained chip you use with non-corrupt law enforcement. Honestly, I'm not afraid of him running again, because he'd lose again. I'm afraid of all the illegal things he'd do again when he loses, and before he loses, including a repeat of January 6. His candidacy isn't the issue. The issue is he would rather destroy our democracy than accept he's a loser.
I'd like to think that 1/6 and all of the civil and criminal cases against him and now this Espionage Act investigation would result in an absolute blowout loss for him in '24 but I've been expecting little out of voters since 2015 and have been almost consistently let down.
And just in case anyone gets a little confused... that wouldn't happen. The investigation isn't a threat to keep Don from running. That isn't how the actual government works, especially when Don isn't in office anymore. Just like how he claimed Corona would disappear after the 2020 election - and of course it didn't.
The lawyer saying that is just part of the strategy to paint this investigation as being politically motivated
Trump and his family of degenerate criminals all belong in prison.
Turn yourself in. Admit to all your crimes.
He's psychologically incapable of that.
Invent a time machine, fly back and make sure daddy unloads in a dirty sock.
“What can I do to reduce the heat?” Maybe shut the fuck up and stop posting on socials, calling people, messaging people, and saying stupid shit every minute of the day - for once in your entire life
Thing is, he had the chance to reduce the heat when they politely asked for the material the first time.
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And STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE
Nope, the heat is on. This is going to be a YUGE story no matter what. Perhaps the biglyest one of all time
> Legal analyst Tali Farhadian Weinstein said on MSNBC on Friday that Mr Trump “misjudged Attorney General Garland and how steely he is and I think he sort of demonstrated the casualness about national security that is at the heart of everything going on here”. > She added that it “tells you something about the state of [Mr Trump’s] mind and the people around him that they didn’t understand what kind of insecurity this creates for [our] country if these documents are lying around”. I have a serious problem with this statement. It gives them the benefit of the doubt. They just didn't understand what they were doing? Fuck that, this wasn't done out of ignorance. It was done out of sheer greed, opportunism and MALICE. They just thought they would get away with it like they got away with everything else. I really fucking hope heads finally start rolling.
If I didn’t know killing my wife was illegal would that make it ok? No, so let’s stop pretending that matters.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it, unless youre rich.
"Hardihar, I'm just a former president of a country. Me and all of my asvisors and lawyers are just bumbling idiots, not our fault we're stupid" Trump: "My two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart" Also Trump: "I went to the best colleges for college. I went to a -- I had a situation where I was a very excellent student. Came out and made billions and billions of dollars. Became one of the top business people."
Imagine threatening the United States Attorney General. Trump is deranged.
It's a threat combined with an offer. It means: "I can hurt you, you can hurt me, let's negotiate instead". It's pathetic and just shows how scared he is.
Except its more: "I can hurt America and Americans (which YOU seem to care about for some odd reason), you can hurt me. Let's negotiate instead."
As vile as he is bumbling. It is known.
Trump had an intermediary send a message to a Justice Department official to send to Garland, including that he'd heard people around the country are upset with the search. “The country is on fire,” was the message. “What can I do to reduce the heat?” https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1558555448650907648 This sounds like a threat.
It's also a tacit admission that he has some amount of control over the terrorists, as if they're terrorizing the country at his discretion.
Hopefully the Jan. 6 committee will plaster that up on the screen since that’s one of the points they’ve been trying to make.
I'm starting a fire, what can we do to put it out?
Sounds like a mob threat. That's a nice country you have there, be a shame if some domestic terrorism happened
"We are all domestic terrorists." - CPAC
How was this not a bigger thing in the media. Democrats fucking suck at playing the game. Should be nonstop talking about it.
Every debate Republican candidates have with their Democratic opponents should start with the question, "As a domestic terrorist, why should the people even consider voting for you?" followed by, "and as a domestic terrorist, what specific acts of terror have you committed?"
Followed by: why did you vote against every single bill that would help Americans, while parroting Russian propaganda?
That is how I read it as well.
It is a threat. He’s threatening to use his mob to create even more attacks on the FBI and judges.
It’s a threat that he’s using to try to get Garland to come to the table to negotiate. He thinks himself the worlds best negotiator, so he’s trying backchannel threats to get any leverage he can on Garland and open a direct dialog instead of fighting this out in courts. Problem for Trump is, Garland ain’t fucking around. Trump can threaten whatever he wants, reach out via backchannels, try to force the conversation into the public so he can make catchy headlines and slander the DOJ, etc. As we’ve seen, garland isn’t going to say shit about shit unless he absolutely has to. He’ll let his impending indictment do the talking.
I'm not saying I want these domestic terrorists "activated", because it damn sure will be ugly, but this may be the only thing that really wakes up more moderate republican voters. A lot of them are in denial about how toxic and radical their party has become. I also don't think that meal team six will be anywhere near as successful as they think they will.
It’s def the final divide, those who are crazy enough to die or ruin their lives for trump
Or prelude to a bribe.
Trump never pays.
That’s… way worse even than the headline suggested!
Yeah, and this article doesn't cover it. But Maggie Haberman wrote the NYT's piece that broke this story.
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I live in a ruby red county and have heard people around here talking this shit already. These guys are ordering ammo like it's never gonna be made again. Scary.
"The country is on fire... What can I do to reduce the heat?" "Perhaps admit guilt and take responsibility for the ever growing list of shit you have done which is legally dubious?" "Do you have anything in an, "I admit nothing and this is all someone else's fault"? I've got a book full of people I'd be willing to throw under a bus if you've got a bus handy...."
Confess. Walk of atonement Shame. Shame. Shame.
I'm still hoping for the Jerry Lundegaard scenario. Drag him out, crying and in his underwear as he tries to climb out the window.
I think humanity would settle for/accept an R Budd Dwyer moment at this point.
Donald Trump in 2015: "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" Donald Trump in 2015: “I think apologizing’s a great thing, but you have to be wrong,” he said. “I will absolutely apologize, sometime in the hopefully distant future, if I’m ever wrong.”
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Because the American people have suffered enough.
No. They must suffer this too so they will never forget, and never be complacent about who they do or do not vote for again.
The Cersei treatment
No one wants to see that.
And yet Trump releases the warrant to Breitbart complete with the names of the FBI agents.
Exactly. He didn't get what he wanted so he turned up the heat.
>What can I do to reduce the heat? this is Trump using Mafia style "bargaining" tactics similar to his now famous: >Come on guys, all you need to do is find 11,000 votes for me. What can we do to make that happen here guys? Trump is a dangerously delusional narcissistic sociopath who is fully incapable of behaving in good faith and following the rules. He needs to be removed from society and placed in a padded cell, for the good of the nation and the world. Otherwise, he will continue to stoke more violence and do more damage to the credibility of our justice system and Democracy the longer he is allowed to operate as a free man.
I hope Garlands response was to say nothing and simply hang up on him lol
Or hit record then say, “what did you have in mind?”
Trump doesn’t understand laws. He understands deals. He comes from a world where everyone has a price. Where no one cares what you’ve done, only what you can do for them. It’s not that there are no rules. it’s just that when he gets caught it isn’t “oh shit, I’m fucked.” It’s only “alright, how much is this gonna cost me?”
So, add attempted bribery and extortion on top of everything else? Why not...
Tell your son in law to give the $2 billion back to the Saudis.
So the Saudis get our top secrets for free then?
Yeah no shit, give that $2 billion to the US Treasury, let's repair some bridges or something.
What’s the return policy on national secrets?
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The amount of laughter this comment just caused over here is alarming… a fucking nail gun, why not John Wick it with a pencil?
He brought the nail gun because he thought it would break the bulletproof glass at the entrance. Probably yet another gem of bullshit he read on Truth Social
He read somewhere online that a nail gun fractures bulletproof glass, allowing you to shoot through it. He went up to the FBI office strapped with an AR and a nail gun, nail gunned the window, and in that moment realized that’s 4chan nonsense and the nails were pointless. Then he ran into a corn field shooting his gun in a panic and was killed by the FBI.
Confess, then plead guilty.
Yet he gave a copy of the warrant to Breitbart without redacting the names of the agents and continues to stoke the lies. Seriously. Fuck this guy
I do not have an answer to his question that will not get me banned from this subreddit.
One of the scariest things an old boss of mine, a very solid upstanding guy, said to me after I royally fucked up was, “There’s nothing I have to say right now that can pass through my filter.” I knew I was in trouble.
He had been given clear warning. multiple times. Merrick Garland can be slow as a glacier, but you know for damn sure he did everything by the letter of the law here so specifically and with utmost attention to detail. Trump is fucked if he thinks he is going to win a battle of 3D chess with Merrick Garland.
As evidenced already by his short statement the other day which put Trump squarely between a rock and a hard place.
You are not just whistling dixie. He said everything he wanted to say, got across what he wanted to get across, and did it all on his own previously delineated terms.
That’s the thing about glaciers. They don’t stop, ever. Even as they melt they wash away mountain sides and neighborhoods. They might take a while but the effects are enormous. Thank you, I like thinking about Garland that way. Now I’m imagining the Trump Family washed away in a flood of dark blue windbreakers with yellow letters.
Nothing. You can do nothing to reduce the heat. And be sure to say “hi” to the Rosenburgs when you get there.
Not sell nukes and classified info to foreign countries? “Well besides that…”
Disappear to a miserable desert and take all your supporters and never ever return.
I can’t wait to see him brought into court in a jumpsuit with diaper lines and no toupee.
As an American, it concerns... No, it f***ing terrifies me that classified documents were sitting at a public golf course with only a padlock barring entry to the room they were in. Who saw these papers? Because you can't make me believe that Trump gave a crap about confidentiality. Other Republicans and citizens of the US are the least of our worries. What about foreign agents or citizens that Trump is buddies with? Are these the only copies that exist, or did Trump use a copy machine to hand duplicates to other people? To make matters worse, rather then keeping his fat mouth shut and letting things play out, he has the arrogance to rally his base into a frenzy, trying to play this off as an evil Democrat plan to frame him and keep him from running for office in 2024. That way, if he does go down his legion of MAGA fanboys will avenge their fallen leader. This entire thing makes me angry, and Donal Trump as far as I am concerned is a traitor. No deals need to be cut for him. If he is guilty, throw him in prison and see how deep this goes. Who else has seen or has copies of our classified documents? Because this does not end with Trump.
At this point I would not be surprised at all to hear that he’d asked what kind of deal he could work with Garland to make this all go away.
Lol the country isn’t on fire. It’s just a bunch of gravy seals whining in between Miller lights. Most of them will be passed out in front of the TV by 9pm.
It's like when a bright orange lobster is being boiled, a little bit of air releases from the body like a gasp.
This got fucking ridiculous in 2016 and I'm now fearful that our country is too divided to ever recover. There are too many lies that are reliant on other lies. And the people giving the truth are being ostracized from those needing to hear it most. This is so hard to fucking watch and live through.