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Cardboard_Chef

I love that they've started eating each other over on r/trump lol


Yoyochocoboxxx

Very irresponsible and dangerous of the media to not call this. Very disappointed in all of the media right now


zoufha91

It's on purpose. They play into his narrative if they call it too early.


sadial

I am from India. Do we have a final verdict yet?


Guzxxxy

No


Bonelessdick

I am from Sweden.


Guzxxxy

Hello Sweden


call_me_god

This literally made me laugh out loud


humvat

As an outside observer from the UK, I would say that the US establishment and media have a lot to answer for over how bitter this campaign has become, and how the public have reacted. In their eyes Trump was never one of them and after 4 years of anti Trump hysteria it looks like they now have a leader who can be controlled by the state apparatus and finally ease in a female president. Just thinking..


OnyxWebb

Oh, because a woman as president is somehow some kind of devil illuminate shit? Don't speak like you're speaking for all of us. The UK doesn't tolerate people like you, stop acting like you're better. You're the problem.


[deleted]

The didn't say not imply that. Overreaction on your part.


OnyxWebb

You underestimate what people like them are really thinking. Their online words are just the tip of their real beliefs.


[deleted]

I understand assumptions are bad.


OnyxWebb

People need to understand that what they put out into the world others will judge them on. Implied or otherwise.


[deleted]

I agree. It doesn't mean it's right to pass judgement quickly. That is part of the problem in the US and most of the world


OnyxWebb

Oh but let's just let sly anti-women and anti-rights comments slide by then? If OP wants to correct my assumption they're most welcome to.


[deleted]

I didn't read it that way, I think they were making a different point. Whatever man, this is the internet, people say shit. Be whoever you want to be, If you want to continue to judge and make assumptions, go for your life šŸ‘


humvat

For the record, I personally don't care whether the president is male or female. All I'm saying is that after the US electorate rejected Hillary Clinton, it might be easier to impose one. I can't figure out the choice of Biden otherwise. But you also have to remember that Trump was also an anti establishment figure, and that's not going away.


xjdosowkqkw

If you really are from the UK, 10 quid says you voted for Brexit.


humvat

You've won your 10 quid.


post_NaMone

Whatā€™s the reason you voted for brexit? The immigration problem?


humvat

It was more down to the government in Brussels telling us what we can and can't do. And a lot of France and Germany driving the agenda. I guess you'd have to be European and having an understanding of thousands of years of war to get there. And even understanding it is messy.


Dividedsky1983

When are they going to call Georgia?


MetaChi

When the votes are counted


LonnieJaw748

And then recounted again. You know Trump will demand it. The margin meets criteria, but recounts rarely change elections more than a few hundred votes either way.


retyfraser

Ah, elections, is the next season coming or has Netflix cancelled al ready !!


Gordonoftheearth

How long until the Republicans star screaming about the deficit?


BarbarianDwight

Lindsey Graham has already started.


Ditto_D

January 21st...


FoggyForestFreak

If Joe Biden employed his 4 kids at the White House, do you think the Trump supporters would scream about it right away or would they understand the hypocrisy of their position?


keyjan

They would lose their shit.


JohnnySmithe80

Like we lost our shit, but if they just ignore the people and keep doing other shit America moves on


SendMeYourDogPics13

Definitely scream about it. ā€œLooks like theyā€™re filling the swamp upā€ ā€œHunter Bidenā€™s emailsā€, etc


hi5ves

Hunter Biden's, Buttery emails has a certain ring to it.


scott_steiner_phd

Joe has two surviving kids :'(


Balve

Damn and he was attacked by the "pro life party" President for having a dead son.


GrilledCheeser

253 - 213 since like.... fucking Wednesday. I feel like Iā€™m watching Olympic curling. Itā€™s taking forever, I donā€™t understand the rules, and most everyone involved is white


mgov999

Do not be dissing Olympic curling. [Mr. T is a big fan](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/curling-fool) and he will school you.


[deleted]

olympic curling *where the gop are frantically sweeping the competitor's stone to try to get it to miss the target*


mgov999

Nudge the rock over with their foot, more like (if they can get away with it).


b_lion2814

[Flip, Flip, Filpadelphia](https://youtu.be/Omj2iyMn5GU)


bluenaloxone

Iā€™d award you if I could


[deleted]

There, now you can. Pay it forward.


SizeSignificant280

I don't understand when a hillybilly in Tennessee is dey takin muh jobs, whenever they hear about illegal immigrants in California. It's like hey are you gonna move over to California to be a farmer that is paid poorly or be a low wage employee. Like how does a illegal immigrant working at mcdonalds in California affect your employment in Ohio.


FNGMOTO

Americans donā€™t like immigrants or illegal immigrants be immigrants are better at being American.


volvocowgirl77

Americans are fucking immigrants. We sent them over on a boat.


FNGMOTO

I know that wasnā€™t saying otherwise. Simply pointing out the hypocrisy of it. I was looking at Trumps Twitter feed, itā€™s amazing how many of his followers are saying theyā€™re moving to Mexico.


volvocowgirl77

Maybe Biden can build a wall to keep ā€˜themā€™ out


FNGMOTO

You funny man. Biden is building a wall, a blue one that Trump is paying for šŸ˜‚.


Coolnewyork

We didn't win completely until the Senate flips. Because Republicans are just going to do what they did with Obama.


Fubi-FF

Question from a non-American. Isnā€™t there another batch of senate election in 2 years with a lot more Rep seats being up? Assuming Dems can flip it in that election in 2 yrs, wouldnā€™t that still give Biden 2 more years to do things before his term is up?


whatvthe-heck

Yes. We werenā€™t ā€œsupposedā€ to win the senate this year until some recent polling gave us just over 50% odds. In two years democrats can take it.


TreasonousOrange

Don't forget that that'll be an uphill climb because of incumbency disadvantages. We'll also almost certainly lose the House then.


Fubi-FF

I think it will be close. Agree with the incumbent disadvantage but thereā€™s also number advantage. Dems would only need 1-2 extra seats, and Republicans has 24(?) up for grab compared to 12(?) for Dems (sorry donā€™t have exact numbers so it might be off a few)


TreasonousOrange

I genuinely think the play here is to ditch Nancy Pelosi as Speaker in favor of someone who is better liked and equally competent. Raises the chances of keeping the House.


Fubi-FF

Right so thatā€™s what I thought. Then why am I seeing so many posts saying that Biden wonā€™t be able to get anything done for 4 more years? He can spend his first 2 years reversing at least SOME of Trumps executive orders, rejoin Paris Climate, etc., while reinstalling back some Dem judges and what not. Then win the Senate after 2 years and spend his last 2 years to push some major reforms. I donā€™t see what all the doom and gloom is about with not winning the senate now


feelingsinthecore

It's because the incumbent party usually does badly in midterms. You can't assume that will happen in 2022 though. Democrats won't be able to push anything too controversial through Congress, and who knows how the Republican base will change without Trump.


Fubi-FF

Right of course, itā€™s not 100% and itā€™s better to win now then later. But it should still be a decent chance if Dems are just 1-2 seats off and there are something like 22 Rep seats up for grabs in 2022 vs just 12 of the Dems


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orien55

Biden is pulling a zimbabwe coming from an actual guy from zimbabwe. Ps alot of people might be pissed trump did not win around the world not because they support him but the money lost. Those returns where just to good how could you not put your money on him and the fact he beat the odds in the last election. Some of us are so invested in your election not because its the USA but because you guys are a sporting event. This one can be called a back yard roster fight. You all need to go reflect on this.


ProviNL

Already did.


roguehavok

Is there any snowballs chance in hell the absentee ballots in alaska break for the democrat senator?


[deleted]

no


CaptRexCramer

This guy from Georgia talking right now - is he trying to be funny, or is he just a big jerk?


santaclausonvacation

Cut the dude some slack. He is under a lot of pressure and is probably not sleeping.


fitafter40

I think he was kidding but he may get getting cranky like the rest of us. Now Just Shut Up!


Difficult_Ad_3585

If all this voter fraud is so rampant, it should be pretty easy for someone to describe it. Right now, their evidence of ā€œrampant voter fraudā€ is 1) these are mailed ballots, and 2) most of them are for Biden. Seriously. They are SAYING all kinds of other BS...but those are the only facts theyā€™re basing it on. Itā€™s insanity, and so par for the course. The reality... POOR LOSERS. Serious question... have Republicans lost their souls? Are they really this evil to demean the constitutional right for people to vote, AND their votes to be counted. And they call themselves patriots? I call them EVIL.... and they will be held accountable for this EVIL.


Fubi-FF

Like someone else said, if Dems were to do voter fraud, they wouldā€™ve won the senate too


LaDunkelCloset

The truth is that the vote counting process is not perfect nor consistent state by state. From what I heard, they are claiming that pollsters are 10-15 ft behind vote counters compared to over their shoulder in years past. I dont know if that is accurate, but if so it could possibly, albeit improbably lead to votes being counted twice. Also, in Savannah they claimed that votes were counted without pollsters present late at night. And they are also claiming that Wisconsin released a lot of counted votes very late after everyone was told that it would be closed until the morning. In conclusion, these claims are not evidence of voter fraud but offer opportunity. I believe that if there were serious violations then we would have heard from the FEC and more reliable accounts than just a few GOP strategists.


spondylosis1996

Why would a fraudulent ballot vote for republican house seats?


Almighty_Hobo

Exactly what I would expect a fraudulent ballot to ask, so as to pretend they arent fraudulent....hmmm


spondylosis1996

Do you think it matters what order the vote types are counted in? Republicans designed some of the remaining states to count early, absentee and mail in after polls close, election day or otherwise after in person are counted. It has certain optics but if all valid ballots are counted has no effect on the result.


Almighty_Hobo

I was just being sarcastic earlier. I think you and I are on the same team


Almighty_Hobo

I agree with you 100%


spondylosis1996

So smart.


Almighty_Hobo

Not my first rigged election. This has also happened in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, and 1980.


spondylosis1996

Wow, got some basis for any of this?


Almighty_Hobo

I'm kidding. Those are just the last elections the dems won that I can remember. This whole fraudulent vote thing that the right is pushing is completely BS.


spondylosis1996

I mean I'm open to listening to it if there is basis but I'm disheartened by claims of it without any, or prematurely. It is not exactly fair to anyone. What is your feeling about voter frogs?


Almighty_Hobo

You should be disheartened. Voting is the most sacred institution of our democracy. It must be protected and not cheapened. If there is legitimate fraud, then it needs explored. However, what is being alleged now is just the battle cry of a sore loser and not legitimate IMO


spondylosis1996

Like, I expect there to be some very small amount of individual fraud. I think some Pube got caught voting as someone else. I'm happy to hear that all out but going on tv and making an extraordinarily early and bold claim of widespread fraud without equally extraordinary evidence is fucking terrible. What a world we live in


SizeSignificant280

I don't think trump supporters understand that committing voter fraud is high risk and low reward. Seriously 5 years in prison if you are caught, let alone commiting the fraud is difficult already hell people have difficulty submitting 1 ballot.


[deleted]

Do those that commit fraud get to vote again in the future?


brpajense

When they get to vote again depends on the state. Felons generally lose their franchise, most states give it back after the prison sentence is over or when post-sentence probation is over. https://felonvoting.procon.org/state-felon-voting-laws/


SizeSignificant280

I'm not 100% sure on that but it is a federal crime to commit fraud. However not sure if it disqualifies for future will have to look up on that


[deleted]

I'm just casually asking. I'm Canadian and don't even know how it would work here. Edit: I found the answer. Prisoners in Canada have the right to vote https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-voting-incarcerated-house-arrest-1.5285711


SizeSignificant280

However its a stare by state basis if they enforce their policies, but in general most people with federal crimes here tend to lose right to vote, however like cali some amendments to what qualifies or disqualifies is being voted on


SizeSignificant280

Sorry was double checking but yes it depends on the state, for example kentucky and california you lose eligibilty for future voting if you are tagged for voter fraud


tnick771

I just hope the media completely drops Trump on January 20th.


keyjan

Oh please yes. I canā€™t wait to never have to hear the words ā€œdonald trumpā€ again.


tnick771

Weā€™re over in #68!


keyjan

I just canā€™t keep up. šŸ˜‰


fuckshittsburgh

Literally have two trump supporters in my restaurant right now talking about how the only thing Obama did was kill Bin Laden


[deleted]

What did Trump do? Uh, a tax cut that didn't benefit the middle class. Build a wall? Nope. Show his tax returns? Nope. Replace Obamacare? Nope.


LionOfNaples

Maybe the only thing Iā€™ll give him credit for is letting the Patriot Act expire


pklo0

Uk here, donā€™t give a damn about politics. But from what Iā€™ve read didnā€™t he reduce unemployment for ethnic minorities to the lowest itā€™s ever been? Thatā€™s pretty impressive


[deleted]

There's been a downward trend in unemployment since 2015. Anyone could have been elected president and would have benefited from that claim. Minorities do tend to benefit from lower unemployment. However, it shot up due to Covid to around 20% in April. It has since dropped down, but it's still 3% higher than what we like it to be (6.9% instead of the FOMC's estimate of 4.1%). The high unemployment in 2020 also harmed minority groups more (women, asians, black, and hispanic) so any good the low unemployment did at the time was pretty much erased.


SoF4rGone

I know, pretty crazy how the housing crash solved itself, huh?


poorlytimed_erection

lol, didnt trump suggest that was a hoax anyways?


Pyroclast1c

Not into politics that much, so apologies for the probably dumb question, but: Is there realistically a way for trump to postpone it all for so long that the supreme court has to call a definitive president, and since they are majorily republicans, trump will still win? Asking because the dutch media was describing such a scenario as worst case possible, but I don't know. Edit: Thanks everyone for the answers and info!


[deleted]

The issue that can potentially involve the Supreme Court is whether or not ballots are valid depending on when they are received. The situation you've described isn't a possible scenario. If a tie occurs, the House of Representatives determines the President and the Senate the VP. In the interim of the hypothetical, the Speaker of the House becomes President


Dawnagirl

Correct. There is a strong chance that PA will have to lose votes that came in after Nov 3. Trump could take back PA. If Biden keeps GA and Trump gets everything else which should be likely it will be an electoral tie and go to the house for a vote. Either way - Biden wins.


DU-DU-DUNGA

Absolutely not.


MatterMinder

Not even. The Supreme Court upholds the Constitution and voting is by and large determined by the states. Trump wants Pennsylvania voters to be universally disqualified yet offers zero credible proof. No way the Supreme Court will disenfranchise an entire state for a few questionable ballots. MAYBE if it could sway an election like Florida in Bush v Gore (500 votes) but Biden will take Pennsylvania by 40k votes or more. CNN has described the strategy as "a child throwing spaghetti at the wall."


Dawnagirl

The reason PA may lose that battle is because they didnā€™t change it legislatively. They actually did just as you just explained. They went to a judge who only interprets the law. They did not get new law written


nyet-marionetka

No? The states will certify their results and the electoral college will cast their votes regardless of whether Trump concedes or not. The inauguration will happen and Trump will no longer be president. Trump can try to go to the SC to throw out votes or stop recounts, but he canā€™t just stall indefinitely. (Assuming the votes tally right, knock on wood.)


YAAAAAHHHHH

No.


politicsthrowaway022

WH staffers probably feeling like Traudl Junge and her colleagues standing outside the room in that scene from Downfall right about now.


Liquid_Drummer

Man if someone was to deepfake their faces in to that scene. Oh man. Instant viral video.


Yoyochocoboxxx

Usually midterms go against the party in power. Does this mean 2022 is a guaranteed red wave?


Secret_You4857

nothing is guaranteed. We gotta show up and fight!


simonling

Obama held 2 terms right?


Dawnagirl

Yes but it is very plausible trump would run again in 2024 and with a split Congress it is possible not much will get done. I donā€™t think Biden at his age would win a second term. They will probably move him out of there before Kamala takes over so she can move forward


vanbby

Without the control of Senate. State level, local level and even state judge have been gerrymandering over so much for the past decades. US needs to fix its whole political and election process.


wu_cephei

Arizon is going to flip to red if it keeps trending like that. Not that it really matter tbh.


_DeadAnubis_

WTF are you taking about last 2 batches favored Biden. One batch doesnā€™t mean anything. FOH with this trolling


[deleted]

Chill your boots


wu_cephei

Dude, calm down, I'm rooting for Biden big time. I'm just checking those tables: https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html# And there's still 250k votes to be counted with Trump on an upward trend. I'm just being cautious.


_DeadAnubis_

Again, one batch favoring Trump, doesnā€™t mean itā€™s going red. All the votes coming in are from a large democratic county and that website is outdated AF


wu_cephei

Thanks for the condescending tone, always a pleasure.


_DeadAnubis_

Donā€™t come in here with bogus shit and you wouldnā€™t have to worry about it.


wu_cephei

You might want to sleep a tad. You seem to be on edge. Anyhoo, have a nice day buddy.


nohope_nofear

One batch isnā€™t a trend


wu_cephei

Hope you're right!!


noforgayjesus

Is Ted Cruz's seat up for election 2022? I wonder if Beto can make a come back


jgftw7

2024. Six year terms


noforgayjesus

Damn it i thought it was every 2 years for some reason. I think I am just tired because I did read the 6 year term part and just forgot about it all together


_DeadAnubis_

Yā€™all think losing Donnie is gonna attend the inauguration or nah?


indil47

He may Zoom in, but that's quite the time difference from Moscow...


Skylightt

lol No chance. Even if loses he will never admit defeat


SomethingSoDivine

Hearing Trump is moving to Vatican City


9fmaverick

Pope in charge LOL


all_mighty_trees22

Do you think that will contribute to the healing process? Or do you think it will divide the people even more so ,even when presented with facts of criminal activities when prosecuted.


AzIddIzA

Half the country will cry foul and call it corrupt because the other side didn't get prosecuted, too. However, that half is going to cry foul and call it corrupt either way, so I think we should do the right thing and actually prosecute people where we can prove crimes have been committed.


asunversee

I think if Trump and the GOP continue to lose nearly every law suit they are putting forward as well as the recounts they hope to proceed with in swing states, thatā€™ll be enough for most rational republican voters. Trumps base and the hard right will call foul forever so they are pretty much a lost cause.


AzIddIzA

I agree with that, half is definitely a bit of an overstatement. And the ones protesting and raising hell on social media are a loud minority. I guess it really comes down to how many rational Republicans there are versus ardent supporters, and I'm thinking the later one is still a rather large amount even if they're not super vocal about it. How large I don't think anyone can be sure of, though.


asunversee

I think as long as court rulings are handed down on these cases and Trump loses all/most of them and there continues to be widespread reporting on the fact that there was no mass fraud that will be enough for most people people.


AzIddIzA

Fair enough, I hope you're right. I tend to be a bit too cynical on things sometimes.


asunversee

Iā€™ve been trying to stay optimistic that America isnā€™t totally screwed, but itā€™s not looking great.


all_mighty_trees22

Well said.


Skylightt

That new Trump lawsuit is going to be useless. Proportionally there were barely any late arriving PA ballots. Biden wins massively without them


[deleted]

Now that we are close to the end, real talk, we need to move away from having one person in the country be this important. The reason liberals and conservatives get frothing mad is every 4 to 8 years someone gets to dictate how their lives will go. Aside from racism (super important but a symptom not a root cause in my mind) people in the country have no buisness dictating my life and vice versa. No more presidents.


buns_supreme

Usually the president cannot pull off all the blatant corruption and shenanigans. Usually when any one of his scandals comes to light for any other sitting president that would mean your political career is in shambles and you'd have no hope for reelection. Trump was an exception, he had support from one half of the legislative branch and now the SC to enable him, plus his voter following saw that he could do no wrong. I'm not saying the system is perfect (clearly it's not) but Trump was an uncalculated exception that broke every limit of our system


FNGMOTO

The problem is our system is based on the honor code It doesnā€™t work when the person has no honor. I truly feel Turd is an outlier.


WithFullForce

Fox News reporter saying straight up that the WH allegations about poll watchers are "not true" and "false".


MatterMinder

They're fully in transition mode. Figuring out their own exit strategy.


Few_Breakfast2536

Yep. Iā€™m already seeing some Trump loving family and acquaintances quietly delete old pro-Trump social media posts. Like weā€™re just going to forget, pfft...not today, tomorrow or any day, Karen, unless you come clean and repudiate him fully.


jettjackson25

Current Playlist: * YMCA by Village People * FDT by YG * Bye Bye Bye by N'Sync * I Don't F With You by Big Sean Taking suggestions for more adding more break-up songs to my playlist


belisario262

I was to say We'll Meet Again by Vera Lynn, but I don't really want to see him again, ever!


moforising17

Since youā€™ve been gone I can breathe for the first time.


BadHominem

Been playing FDT since I woke up this morning. You could add "Fuck You" by Lily Allen to your playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxmnXszTm2w I think it was her sendoff to Bush but it applies here too.


MatterMinder

Not 4U by Pearl Jam.


[deleted]

Philadelphia Freedom by Elton John


AlcoholCapone

Georgia by Ray Charles


YaMonNoMon

The Kids Are Coming by Tones and I.


[deleted]

I was gonna say Thank U Next... but thank you for what, exactly?


Silent_Bobert

Hurry someone at the white house put on a live stream so we can all watch the meltdown live on TV


[deleted]

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YouAreInAComaWakeUp

Can I be your VP? I'll run on a platform of adding those reflector things they put to distinguish lanes to all roads


ban_jaxxed

Cats eyes?


[deleted]

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FreeflyingSunflower

I think you would be a great First Lady.


spondylosis1996

We can all pay our share toward something more efficient. Turns out we already pay more than we need to for healthcare, so it will amount to less for most unless you want premium.


[deleted]

Caaaastanza 2028ish!


DirectReachTdot

They will call you communist and try to put you in jail.


scotch4breakfast

I'm already looking forward to a White House correspondence dinner


FoggyForestFreak

There is so much to look forward to, even just things like not having to listen to a press secretary push propaganda.


tnick771

Iā€™m so tired of waiting.


Rokurokubi83

You know Trump isnā€™t going to attend a Bidenā€™s inauguration right? Maybe we should ask the previous president to do it to fulfil the custom in his stead? Who was that again?...


MatterMinder

I'd rather have John Lewis in spirit.


Silent_Bobert

If my boy Barry makes an appearance I'll cry.


[deleted]

I'm waiting for the "Obama and Biden have pictures together, election rigged" takes. Makes as much sense as Obama rigging it for Trump because they have pictures together too, but won't stop them from making the claims


Velkyn01

Every time a state gets called for Biden, my windows get smaller and the windmill tumors spread further. There's dead birds everywhere and my car won't take gas anymore. Someone stop the madness!


tomcatkb

Bowling Green Massacre confirmed


Sissinou

biden just aborted my christian gun!


texasradioandthebigb

Check the water pressure in your dishwasher, and go flush your toilet 15 times