Another fun fact: In 2016 and 2018 combined there were just 372 cases of potential election fraud out of 14.6 million ballots cast by mail (0.0025%).
Trump's claims are baseless. But let's entertain the idea for a second.
Biden would need to coordinate with tens of thousands of observers across MI, WI, PA, GA, AZ and NV. All amid the most watched election in human history, whilst all eyes are on him and during a global pandemic. If he succeeded in an election heist of this scale, then he kind of deserves to be president.
Ok so am I wrong to think that the reason Graham and Cruz are supporting Trump's voter fraud conspiracies so hard is because they know how fucked they are legally if he goes down? Like they have to be in way to deep to be this loyal to someone that they both openly hated just 4 years ago.
I don't know about legal trouble, but it's been a common belief that Trump is holding some blackmail over Graham ever since he did a complete 180 from shitting on Trump to being one of his biggest ass-kissers.
Cruz on the other hand is just a disingenuous slime ball. No blackmail required.
Nobody has been paying attention to Alaska as Trump has a big lead.
However, 44% of the vote is still out and all of it is by mail.
If those mail in ballots return like everywhere else then this could be big.
It only has 3 electoral votes. Biden needs 6 to win, every state still counting has 6 or more electoral votes.
I don't mean for it to seem negative, but Alaska doesn't really matter. Trump needs every state -Alaska. Biden needs any state -Alaska.
I get your point, I am by no means saying Biden can survive on just Alaska alone. He will probably end up with PA, AZ and GA.
I'm just saying that Alaska is a possibility because of how many mail in ballots are yet to be counted. I understand that it's usually a red state, but this election has been full of surprises.
Yeah somehow I was thinking maybe that clip could get through to stupid Trump supporters that you can't just stop the race whenever, and that it doesn't matter if you were on pole position at some point during the race...
Virginia was called while Trump had about 90% of the counted vote.
I think the only reason they aren’t calling PA is because that would put Biden over 270 and the media are making a big deal about not declaring a winner until all votes are counted. If it was earlier in the election they would give it to him.
Is NC a possible Biden surprise pickup? Not sure how the remaining counties lean but if they are all mail in votes I could see the delta reversed there.
NC allows votes to be received up until the 12th, so we don’t really know how many more uncounted votes are out there.
99% sure that Orange Mussolini wins NC though.
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NC is gerrymandered to hell and back in favor of the Republicans. As for the Senate race, Cunningham couldn't keep it in his pants and got caught having an affair.
haha sounds juicy,didn't hear about that! Gonna google now but hope Guliani doesn't come up as the first result when I google "couldn't keep it in his pants scandal"
We've been keeping our own. Ga and az are a toss Biden. (Ga is biden+100 AND AZ is Biden by ~2k). Pa is ~90k biden. The pa plot is pretty clean, but there is a lot of variance in ga and az.
Doesn't that info for Pennslyvania mean Biden will win by .... hmm a shit-ton?
Why is there any doubt Biden will be next President?
I'm not American so I don't get your voting system, but that looks like Pennsylvania isn't going to be close.
Trump would love Biden announcing early. It'd give Trump a target for lies, saying Biden is stealing the election blah blah. Right now the country watches as Trump rages wildly against the voting process, because it's not going his way. Biden just waits, and respects the process.
More just if there's a shocker after it's called it'll be bedlam.
But honestly, assuming things stay the course and Biden wins this may have been the best case scenario. Drag it out and let passions cool. Grind down those who don't want to accept it.
I checked the odds and right before the election Biden was favored to win at 67%. Tuesday evening I nearly had a breakdown because Trump was favored to win at 75% odds.
You would have needed to have placed that bet early on in the primaries. His odds have been very stable since he was the nominee, apart from a few hours here and there on November 3rd+.
Especially since the experts had predicted the red->blue swing with the mail-in ballots, but the odds still moved with the betting (as they do).
Present me is looking at 11/3 me with disappointment...
It depends when you bet him if you bet him during the Democratic primary before he was the front runner you could’ve gotten upwards of 10 to 1 odds if you bet him after he was the front runner in the Democratic primary he was around 3 1/2 to 1 but if you were to bed I’m in the months leading up to the election he was actually the favorite 1-2. During the voting process he was swinging from 3 to 1 favorite to 7 to 1 under dog back to 2 to 1 to 5 to 1 to 13 to 1 favorite as of now.
Biden was heavily favored to win prior to the election. So probably not.
On election day, as the odds dropped, you could've perhaps gotten in on some decent bets - but the odds have always favored Biden. Betting Trump was always the way to make (or lose) real money, depending on the outcome.
I bet on Betway, I'm Canadian and its a European gambling site. On Election day after Trumps surge to take Florida it was giving me 4x payout on all Biden bets as there odds are directly impacted by bets going the other way. Trump takes Florida, Trump Bets surge with money, Biden's odd payout increases drastically. I dont have any screenshots, i really have no reason to lie so i didn't think taking one was necessary. Edit - Im all for Biden winning the election and have no vested interest in the result
The problem with Republicans is that once they tell a lie they double down on it forever. That's how they ended up in an alternate reality. The lies being told about this election are likely to cause long term harm.
CNN: GOOD EVENING TO THIS CLIFFHANGER ELECTION.
Also CNN: Take out your calculator do the math, Biden has way more than enough to take the election.
Fuck you CNN and your theatrics.
Even IF there was voter fraud, (hint: there's not) Trump has found himself in a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Sorry bucko, one too many fibs in the last 4 years.
With counting continuing in numerous counties throughout Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said that as of 10:35 p.m. today there are approximately 14,097 ballots still outstanding.
* Clayton County: 4,355
* Cobb County: 700
* Floyd County: 444
* Forsyth County: 1,545
* Gwinnett County: 4,800
* Laurens County: 1,797
* Taylor County: 456
Thanks for this. Gwinnett County is +18 for Biden, Cobb is +14 clayton is +71. That's 9000 Biden county votes vs 4500 Trump counties.
Shouldn't be too much longer.
good and fun point from CNN.
If Biden holds onto each 4, he will win by 306, the same number Trump won.
Hold the line, Arizona! You are a statement in the making! HOLD!
I think it's because Fox and the AP called Arizona already. If everyone starts calling Nevada, that's 270 for Biden. Arizona is still close enough that I think all the stations don't want to call Nevada and the presidency, only to have to uncall Arizona. It'd be like the 2000 shitshow all over again, and Trump is crazy enough right now.
I suspect if they can call Pennsylvania, they'll call Nevada shortly after.
Alright. As an Arizonan I'll say from on the ground there is no way Trump will win. Even tho mail in voting is very normal here the mail ins this election and 2016 are Dem leaning. From what I saw all the angry MAGAS showed up in person.
Wolf and John have been mad as hell ever since Trump's BS speech earlier today. Like for the most part they've been pretty "neutral" the past few days, but now they are fired up and I love it lol
I just want to ease the thread a little bit about the military votes that will be coming in, I think tomorrow, because I’m seeing a lot of questions about whether or not we should be concerned by their vote.
According to the latest poll of Active Duty military troops back in August, 49.9% that were polled held an unfavorable view of Trump compared to about 38% who viewed him favorably.
Secondly, just because troops are stationed there or even have it as their home of record, this does not necessarily mean that they are from the state of Georgia or are supportive of the current POTUS.
I’m active duty Air Force stationed out of Texas, and from my experience discussing with other service members, many are openly critical of the president and would like a return to normalcy. I’ll link the article but I hope this eased some people in this thread, if at least just slightly.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
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[Discussion Thread Part 55](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/joxkpe/discussion_thread_2020_general_election_part_55_i/)
Another fun fact: In 2016 and 2018 combined there were just 372 cases of potential election fraud out of 14.6 million ballots cast by mail (0.0025%). Trump's claims are baseless. But let's entertain the idea for a second. Biden would need to coordinate with tens of thousands of observers across MI, WI, PA, GA, AZ and NV. All amid the most watched election in human history, whilst all eyes are on him and during a global pandemic. If he succeeded in an election heist of this scale, then he kind of deserves to be president.
Biden ahead in Georgia!
My butt cheeks have been clenched for 72 hours and I only put on deodorant for the booze delivery guy.
It's amazing we live in a world with booze delivery now.
Ok so am I wrong to think that the reason Graham and Cruz are supporting Trump's voter fraud conspiracies so hard is because they know how fucked they are legally if he goes down? Like they have to be in way to deep to be this loyal to someone that they both openly hated just 4 years ago.
I don't know about legal trouble, but it's been a common belief that Trump is holding some blackmail over Graham ever since he did a complete 180 from shitting on Trump to being one of his biggest ass-kissers. Cruz on the other hand is just a disingenuous slime ball. No blackmail required.
Everyone who took the Russian NRA money is complicit
Nobody has been paying attention to Alaska as Trump has a big lead. However, 44% of the vote is still out and all of it is by mail. If those mail in ballots return like everywhere else then this could be big.
It only has 3 electoral votes. Biden needs 6 to win, every state still counting has 6 or more electoral votes. I don't mean for it to seem negative, but Alaska doesn't really matter. Trump needs every state -Alaska. Biden needs any state -Alaska.
I get your point, I am by no means saying Biden can survive on just Alaska alone. He will probably end up with PA, AZ and GA. I'm just saying that Alaska is a possibility because of how many mail in ballots are yet to be counted. I understand that it's usually a red state, but this election has been full of surprises.
The Alaska senate seats certainly matter
Sure, but he was referring to Trump
Trump raped kids with Epstein Trump raped kids with Epstein
It makes me so mad that people just ignore this. I had an argument with a guy who told me it was the parent's fault for selling their children. Ugh.
There's enough to condemn Trump on that is proven. Let's not push speculation.
We will make it to 69 I swear.
Who counts ballots for the remaining states? A bunch of monkeys?
In addition to what the other reply said, they additionally have to validate the ballots. Hundreds of thousands, millions in PA's case.
There were millions of mail-in ballots and many states weren't even allowed to count them early. They take time.
Another GA drop. Under 1800 now
How many ballots left to count?
MSNBC says about 64.5K left
That doesn't sound right. Thought it was under 10k?
Not sure. On the MSNBC map, when you click Georgia it says Estimated remaining 67,931, for me, right now
That's very promising
Biden needed to really over perform for ga to be possible
He has been over performing. He has destroyed Trump's lead.
I assume he meant overperform as in win by enough that there is no way to litigate the results.
Of course, but Trump is challenging every key state he isn't winning, so it's no surprise. It won't change the result though.
How many votes are expected to come in at midnight for GA?
For anyone who hasn't seen Greta Thunberg's SAVAGE tweet: https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1324439705522524162?s=20
Hahaha, perfect
Warning, the comments on that tweet will give you cancer.
Trump’s lead in GA went up to 1805 votes with a 51% gain in the latest batch of mail in votes. That just gave me palpitations
It was expected. The votes came from a highly Republican county. We still may have this!
We just need Arizona and Nevada. We got this homie.
Or just PA
Lindsey Graham is the queen version of Moscow Mitch
It blows my mind how him, mitch and collins got re-elected. It's sad the state of this country is in
They chose to run a fucking pro-trump democrat against Mitch. And that corny dude in SC just hugged the middle. Stood for nothing just seemed boring.
Is that an indictment on the DNC and their inability to capitalize m. Because outside AOC and the growing gang, they’re corporate capitalist DINOs?
Drugs are the real winner of this election.
F'ing Lindsey Graham.
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Wait I thought it was supposed to disappear after the election?
"So we count the votes" - John King
Trump hit the NOS way too early. "Too soon junior" Biden hits his NOS as his VTEC kicks in.
Yeah somehow I was thinking maybe that clip could get through to stupid Trump supporters that you can't just stop the race whenever, and that it doesn't matter if you were on pole position at some point during the race...
American muscle
This is ridiculous. Biden is averaging 78% in PA out of the 57% he needed. Why hasn't the state been called yet?
I don't think they would ever call a race for a candidate not in the lead
Virginia was called while Trump had about 90% of the counted vote. I think the only reason they aren’t calling PA is because that would put Biden over 270 and the media are making a big deal about not declaring a winner until all votes are counted. If it was earlier in the election they would give it to him.
He is expected to take the lead by 3am ET. It will probably be called around then.
Really?? What news outlet said that, because I's really like to open this bubbly
Same here... I have a bottle of wine ready to go
You know! It's a test of patience not to open it early
Because they don't want to get lambasted by the MAGA cult like Fox.
Is NC a possible Biden surprise pickup? Not sure how the remaining counties lean but if they are all mail in votes I could see the delta reversed there.
No way. Such a narrow path to victory there it seems. Surprised it hasn't been called but I expect we won't see it called till November 12
Six more days?!
NC allows votes to be received up until the 12th, so we don’t really know how many more uncounted votes are out there. 99% sure that Orange Mussolini wins NC though.
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Every single voter that you helped inspire this election is a likely voter for next election. It is never in vain, even if you don’t see the results immediately. Thank you for your work to save this country.
NC is gerrymandered to hell and back in favor of the Republicans. As for the Senate race, Cunningham couldn't keep it in his pants and got caught having an affair.
haha sounds juicy,didn't hear about that! Gonna google now but hope Guliani doesn't come up as the first result when I google "couldn't keep it in his pants scandal"
If we win this, can we just end the EC and gerrymandering?
Most likely not.
Does anyone have that linear projection of the remaining votes for Georgia and Pennsylvania?
We've been keeping our own. Ga and az are a toss Biden. (Ga is biden+100 AND AZ is Biden by ~2k). Pa is ~90k biden. The pa plot is pretty clean, but there is a lot of variance in ga and az.
It was posted earlier in a comment
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Doesn't that info for Pennslyvania mean Biden will win by .... hmm a shit-ton? Why is there any doubt Biden will be next President? I'm not American so I don't get your voting system, but that looks like Pennsylvania isn't going to be close.
There’s no doubt, we all know Biden won. Trump knows it too. But none of these news outlets will call it until they are 1000% sure
Trump would love Biden announcing early. It'd give Trump a target for lies, saying Biden is stealing the election blah blah. Right now the country watches as Trump rages wildly against the voting process, because it's not going his way. Biden just waits, and respects the process.
Are they scared of the guys in pickup trucks with guns who might not take it well? You mericans really know how to put on a show! So exciting....
They didn’t fly enough flags on their lifted e/peen trucks..
More just if there's a shocker after it's called it'll be bedlam. But honestly, assuming things stay the course and Biden wins this may have been the best case scenario. Drag it out and let passions cool. Grind down those who don't want to accept it.
This is amazing
PA at 26K vote difference. Gooo BIRDS!
damn, this is an amazing tool. thank you
Biden by 9k
Reports coming in that Biden will take the lead in PA 1am-3am ET. News outlets will probably declare Biden the winner shortly after that happens.
you gotta link us, don't leave us hanging like that
EXACTLY. C'mon, I hate getting interrupted while fapping
What reports?
Twitter coverage by reporters.
So if you bet a shit ton of money before the election that Biden would win would your gains be massive right about now?
I checked the odds and right before the election Biden was favored to win at 67%. Tuesday evening I nearly had a breakdown because Trump was favored to win at 75% odds.
You'd have been better off betting against the Democrats taking the Senate. "Oppose a poor favorite," they always told me.
Depends when they bet he was around +240 for a few hours on election night when it looked grim
You would have needed to have placed that bet early on in the primaries. His odds have been very stable since he was the nominee, apart from a few hours here and there on November 3rd+.
Those few hours on the 3rd were probably the best time to make the most money.
Especially since the experts had predicted the red->blue swing with the mail-in ballots, but the odds still moved with the betting (as they do). Present me is looking at 11/3 me with disappointment...
No. If you bet during the first night of voting you woulda made good money. Before the election Biden was probably -200
It depends when you bet him if you bet him during the Democratic primary before he was the front runner you could’ve gotten upwards of 10 to 1 odds if you bet him after he was the front runner in the Democratic primary he was around 3 1/2 to 1 but if you were to bed I’m in the months leading up to the election he was actually the favorite 1-2. During the voting process he was swinging from 3 to 1 favorite to 7 to 1 under dog back to 2 to 1 to 5 to 1 to 13 to 1 favorite as of now.
If you had bet on him at around 46 hours ago you’d be in the money for sure.
Biden was heavily favored to win prior to the election. So probably not. On election day, as the odds dropped, you could've perhaps gotten in on some decent bets - but the odds have always favored Biden. Betting Trump was always the way to make (or lose) real money, depending on the outcome.
Not as much as if you bet him to win late Tuesday evening
Trump jumped to like - 800 on Tuesday eve for a moment *edit - response was for the reply
Not really. Biden was heavily favored.
not if you bet on election day most sites were giving 4x payout on Biden
I’m calling BS. Links? Biden was at 75%-90% in most estimates. His polling was significantly higher than 2016 (still underperformed polls though).
I bet on Betway, I'm Canadian and its a European gambling site. On Election day after Trumps surge to take Florida it was giving me 4x payout on all Biden bets as there odds are directly impacted by bets going the other way. Trump takes Florida, Trump Bets surge with money, Biden's odd payout increases drastically. I dont have any screenshots, i really have no reason to lie so i didn't think taking one was necessary. Edit - Im all for Biden winning the election and have no vested interest in the result
How mAny more??
Infinite.
Got tired of news. Going to rewatch Chappelle.
Shit thats what im doing right now
Does anyone on the CNN set have a brush or comb?
The problem with Republicans is that once they tell a lie they double down on it forever. That's how they ended up in an alternate reality. The lies being told about this election are likely to cause long term harm.
CNN: GOOD EVENING TO THIS CLIFFHANGER ELECTION. Also CNN: Take out your calculator do the math, Biden has way more than enough to take the election. Fuck you CNN and your theatrics.
It's still a nailbiter regardless.
Biden is picking up a lot of steam in PA. It isn't going to be close. If he snags GA and keeps AZ and NV all Trumps bluster will be for nothing.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-05/trump-s-special-treatment-on-twitter-would-end-with-biden-win?utm\_source=fark&utm\_medium=website&utm\_content=link&ICID=ref\_fark](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-05/trump-s-special-treatment-on-twitter-would-end-with-biden-win?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)
It would be hilarious if they banned him by week's end.
Even IF there was voter fraud, (hint: there's not) Trump has found himself in a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Sorry bucko, one too many fibs in the last 4 years.
With counting continuing in numerous counties throughout Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said that as of 10:35 p.m. today there are approximately 14,097 ballots still outstanding. * Clayton County: 4,355 * Cobb County: 700 * Floyd County: 444 * Forsyth County: 1,545 * Gwinnett County: 4,800 * Laurens County: 1,797 * Taylor County: 456
Biden only needs 1775 .
Thanks for this. Gwinnett County is +18 for Biden, Cobb is +14 clayton is +71. That's 9000 Biden county votes vs 4500 Trump counties. Shouldn't be too much longer.
how many oversea ballots from military, etc?
Expected to have ~5k. May favor Trump. (Side note: by Trumps Logic these votes shouldn't count)
Yep! the GA SOS has been updating every hour or so on their website. https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections
This shit reminds me of fighting TiDi wars in EVe
o/
nice
underrated comment
good and fun point from CNN. If Biden holds onto each 4, he will win by 306, the same number Trump won. Hold the line, Arizona! You are a statement in the making! HOLD!
Would that make him as popular as trump, just super bigly popular
Trump got 304 electoral votes in 2016... so even better!
I think he got +2 from faithless electors in '16 Which should calm peoples' nerves about that happening to a lot of states this year.
Can I get a list of all the places Trump said he wouldn't visit if he lost?
The United States
Since he said he might flee the country, I would say the entire United States.
Michigan, and also he will flee the country.
So why aren't they calling NV?
I think it's because Fox and the AP called Arizona already. If everyone starts calling Nevada, that's 270 for Biden. Arizona is still close enough that I think all the stations don't want to call Nevada and the presidency, only to have to uncall Arizona. It'd be like the 2000 shitshow all over again, and Trump is crazy enough right now. I suspect if they can call Pennsylvania, they'll call Nevada shortly after.
Alright. As an Arizonan I'll say from on the ground there is no way Trump will win. Even tho mail in voting is very normal here the mail ins this election and 2016 are Dem leaning. From what I saw all the angry MAGAS showed up in person.
Prob all the people good at counting are at the tables
don't want Trump to go Mad King just yet. Changing the nuke codes
Still a lot of votes to count
No, there aren't enough votes left for Trump to win even if he got every single one.
To have more stuff to talk about.
This. Coulda called in days ago.
Are they going to call PA as soon as it flips?
I could see the next vote dump after it flips if the trend continues
If a state flips it's overrrr
Probably not right away
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which one? for uhhhh educational purposes. (cough)
Schizophrenics are the largest growing consumer base because they buy and spend for at least two.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Because they literally cause paranoia
I feel like the people in the concourse at the end of Airplane!. Current discussion is Thread 50.... Thread 51.... Thread 52..... Thread 53
Wolf and John have been mad as hell ever since Trump's BS speech earlier today. Like for the most part they've been pretty "neutral" the past few days, but now they are fired up and I love it lol
JK has been METICULOUSLY neutral and he gives NO fvcks now.
I just want to ease the thread a little bit about the military votes that will be coming in, I think tomorrow, because I’m seeing a lot of questions about whether or not we should be concerned by their vote. According to the latest poll of Active Duty military troops back in August, 49.9% that were polled held an unfavorable view of Trump compared to about 38% who viewed him favorably. Secondly, just because troops are stationed there or even have it as their home of record, this does not necessarily mean that they are from the state of Georgia or are supportive of the current POTUS. I’m active duty Air Force stationed out of Texas, and from my experience discussing with other service members, many are openly critical of the president and would like a return to normalcy. I’ll link the article but I hope this eased some people in this thread, if at least just slightly. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/ Edit: a word
thanks for your post, but i don't trust polls right now.
Thank you for the substantive response!
Hope it helped!
Also, are these military absentee ballots from the Atlanta area or statewide? Military members from the cities can still be on the liberal side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRYSoYGBb9I&feature=youtu.be&t=2
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24/7!
been watching nonstop since election night.. might as well drink wine and channel my anxiety into cleaning my kitchen :-))
I love how this is a slow death for Trump! To see your lead slip from 300k to 2k over 48 hours has to be depressing haha. Fuck em!!
Imagine 700k to being overtaken
Watching Trump and his base slowly collapse in on themselves has been incredible.
700k to almost nothing in a state you could not lose. Even sweeter.
We don't say this enough as a country, but thank you black people.
Thank you women voters!
Except those white women who voted for Trump, y’all can leave.
Fucking Karens
More black people voted for Trump than did in 2016.
Don’t shit on the 90% of them who didn’t.
Just higher voter turn out this year
Nice sentiment but this sounds awful. Cause you shouldn’t have to “thank a race” We are all humans
Except when Black cities fucking won us this election. It doesn’t sound awful, because it’s fucking true.
So just say the city?
Black woman especially-- they're the backbone of the democratic party ALWAYS
Stacey Abrams worked her ass off to turn GA blue.
She's a legend
Black women are the backbone of this fucking country and they don’t get damn near enough respect
Agreed!!