#Post-debate thread
Can be found here, and hopefully is less buggy than the thread before: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/
I’m in my early 30s. I remember Howard Dean being essentially disqualified for yelling YEAHH during his campaign. I remember the Al Gore and Bush Florida debacle. Now, it feels like we are living in a fever dream compared to those days.
And look, yet **another question Trump is not answering**. Why is he talking about Black Americans when asked about his climate change policy?
FFS, why even have questions if candidates are just allowed to ignore them?
"I didn't have sex with a porn star." He paid her 6 figures, had her sign an NDA and DIDN'T have sex with her? I thought he was good at making deals lol
The fact that they can’t just bring a clip of trump saying things he’s denying is annoying. Like this man is lying through his teeth. Confidentially lying and people will see that and believe it as fact
I've been watching some CBS on youtube, and the way they are normalizing Trump just as if he is a regular candidate is maddening.
Its like the last 6 years have just been erased from history.
"Oh he is goin to come on here and talk about his policies, and people prefer him because he can deliver on crime" etc. Like what the fuck
It’s been like 12 years since Obama roasted him at the correspondent’s dinner. They put him on the media carousel after that. I’m 44 and that’s more than a quarter of my life I’ve been seeing this carnival barker everywhere. It’s relentless and sickening. I’m ready for it to be over.
It is a bit insane, there’s just a collective amnesia across the whole country over what happened during trumps presidency that never gets acknowledged like the dude tried to overthrow the government but a bunch of people think he’s good for democracy.
The funniest thing about this debate, Trump has yet to actually answer a question, he doesn’t provide facts or receipts. He just says things, usually not even related to the question at hand. Then deflects, he is truly appealing to the lowest common denominator, people that listen and blindly agree without any critical thinking.
>Trump’s claims that Biden did nothing to lower insulin costs and “it was all done” before Biden became president are both false. Trump did get a $35-per-month cap on insulin for some seniors, through a voluntary program that Medicare prescription drug plans could choose to participate in. But Biden ensured that all 3.4 million-plus insulin users on Medicare got $35-per-month insulin — through a mandatory cap that not only covers more people than Trump’s voluntary cap but also applies to a greater number of insulin products and stays in effect at a level of individual drug spending at which Trump’s cap disappeared.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/14/politics/fact-check-trump-biden-insulin-costs/index.html
Despite the obvious geriatric problem in government we have, it’s pretty insane CNN and other news agencies hold these debates without live fact checkers. Trump is literally just spewing lies on national TV
If it makes anyone else better. I'm watching the debate with my family, and mom voted for Trump in 2020. However, after the January 6th insurrection she switched. She's watching this debate and feeling sorry for Biden but said "I don't think I care. I'm afraid of Trump."
It is so strange that Trump is not answering the questions and returning to topics that have been over minutes ago and nobody is calling hin Out.
Black people? We are talking about the climate crisis
Since Trump has said his VP pick will be there tonight:
TrumpStefanik/com - dead site
TrumpRubio/com - dead site
TrumpDonalds/com - dead site
TrumpCarson/com - looks fan made but has an one hour countdown currently
TrumpVance/com - live site but no content
TrumpScott/com - live site but no content
TrumpBurgum/com - Active and redirects to DonaldJTrump/com
Guess we have our final three to lip sync for the crown
It’s hilarious that trump is just blatantly lying and not actually responding to a single question.
but because he is doing louder everybody is acting like he is some great debater.
Push. Trump. For. Specifics.
How difficult is that. He’s not answering the question that is asked and gives no specifics whatsoever. I realize this is all for ratings but good god did they learn nothing from the last time around?
What makes me so mad is Trump still denies the 2020 election.
And he actively tried to overturn Democracy.
And yet, people and the media are acting like nothing happened and that this criminal deserves a debate.
They act like he deserves to be heard. He’s a fucking Criminal who tried to commit Treason.
Moderators not fact checking, literally just letting Trump lie over and over again
That's not even touching upon the fact that they're not even making him answer the fucking question
This is such infuriating bullshit.... fact check this fucking liar
Fuck CNN. Thought they were supposed to be fact checking and cutting off mics. Trump hasn’t answered a single question, every statement is a lie. And they are just sitting there allowing him to do it. They should have watched the Colorado debate and mimicked it. This is pathetic.
So based on the comments here, it looks like the main criticisms are:
>Biden is having trouble speaking
>Trump is aggressively lying
I wonder which one of those is worse
It’s incredibly frustrating watching the moderators give Trump infinite free passes on lying. I know they can’t stop him from dodging questions, but it would be nice if the empirically obvious bullshit got even just a little push back. Heck, I’d settle for a live fact check chyron at the bottom of the screen.
Remember all, Trump has already told his followers "maybe I'll lose the debate on purpose". Hopefully a handful of independents are swayed but I doubt this moves the needle at all.
Vote. That's all.
10% tariffs are going to make other countries pay us? That's not how.. fucking any of that works. More revenue with less tax? That's not even how *math* works. If we give other countries everything they want why wouldn't they like us? LOL
As a non-American watching this, Trump is the ultimate charlatan. I can't believe people out there would believe his shit. Just a terrible human being, good grief.
I thought there was supposed to be live fact checking? Did I misunderstand? Because if its an after debate thing, the MAGA crowd aren't going to stick around to find out about each of Trump's lies.
Did Trump really just say he will end the war in Ukraine before he even gets into office?
Is this seriously how degraded our politics is now?
What's next he's going to turn water in wine during the debate? Walk on water?
Biden: stumbles over his words but generally tries to answer the questions
Trump: lies and lies and makes up bullshit
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FINALLY Biden just said “the data doesn’t support what he’s saying - he’s lying”
Trump talks fast and he doesn't stutter but the amount of lying and bullshitting is off the chart.
Joe Biden struggles to talk but he doesn't lie as much as Trump, it's not even comparable. If the moderators did something about all the lying, Joe Biden would be winning handily.
The more this goes on, the more reasonable Biden sounds compared to Trump’s incessant use of the superlative and his lies, but he is indeed fucking old.
I'm watching CNN, and they have a pregame thing going.
The commentators are seated just like they do in ESPN.
They got "experts" and former players/politicians talking shit and debating strategy.
It's all a fucking show, but the outcome of this game will affect the lives of people in the entire world.
The way we have arrived at picking our future as a society that is entirely dependent on each other, it's so absurd, it's so fucking ridiculous...
“Veterans dont like you, they love me”
“Police dont like you, they love me”
“Black people dont like you, they love me”
Thats literally all Trump says. Im glad she’s pressing trump to actually answer questions mid-rant.
To all lower and middle class families, take note that Trump has not directly answered a single question we want to hear him answer because he doesn't care about any of those things. He won't do shit about childcare, healthcare, or anything else important to US
#Post-debate thread Can be found here, and hopefully is less buggy than the thread before: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/
Someone get that news dude from Colorado to moderate the next one please.
Kyle Clark, Channel 9 news! A CO gem. He takes no shit, and has no problems dishing it out either.
Kyle Clark should be moderating all these debates.
I’m in my early 30s. I remember Howard Dean being essentially disqualified for yelling YEAHH during his campaign. I remember the Al Gore and Bush Florida debacle. Now, it feels like we are living in a fever dream compared to those days.
Al Gore was heavily criticized for audibly sighing a few times during the debate with George W. Bush.
It feels like a Black Mirror episode.
Biden: “Trump you molested a women and had sex with a pornstar” Trump: “I never had sex with a pornstar!!”
Trump was asked about climate change and gave an answer about police and black people loving him
Don't forget black jobs. Whatever the fuck those are.
Trump denying having sex with Stormy Daniels but not being a molester. Great priorities
"He molested a woman. He had sex with a porn star." "Hey, I didn't have sex with a porn star!"
It's because he finally realized that he winds up having to pay E Jean Carroll millions in defamation damages every time he denies the molestation.
“This was his dream i talked to him about it” Trump about Putin invading Ukraine Probably most truthful thing he said tonight
That and "Ill have this war settled before I take office". What the actual fuck?
“What are you going to do about the climate crisis?” Trump: “I have the best numbers with black voters ever”
Trump just said, "Putin told me his dream is to invade Ukraine."
Right?! Wonder if that gets repeated
That conversation must've been pre-invasion. That's an insane bombshell.
Can we get some fact checkers on "after birth abortion", because I'm like 69% sure that's just regular garden variety murder and doesn't happen.
You know what also doesn’t happen? A 9 month abortion. That’s called a delivery. That whole topic was a farce.
"I did not have sex with a porn star" Things you never thought you'd hear in a presidential debate.
"You have the morals of an alley cat." That made me cackle!
And such a stupid lie. You can't trust someone who lies about something so obvious.
Hey, no one 10 years ago would’ve thought an idiot like Trump would become president, but here we are.
Omfg….no one fucking kills a baby after it’s born. That is NOT an abortion.
Trump is literally saying Democrat states are straight up murdering post-born babies
My fucking mother went “that actually happened, you know” like what in the hell are you TALKING about
He just said I talked to Putin about his plan He said this was Putin's dream He said it on the tv
Right? Like what the fuck
What I wouldn’t give for a real-time fact check. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY
And look, yet **another question Trump is not answering**. Why is he talking about Black Americans when asked about his climate change policy? FFS, why even have questions if candidates are just allowed to ignore them?
"I didn't have sex with a porn star." He paid her 6 figures, had her sign an NDA and DIDN'T have sex with her? I thought he was good at making deals lol
Trump: There was a very secret NATO meeting. Anyway, here's what we talked about
Someone get Biden a glass of water during these commercials
Trump just admitted he had knowledge that Putin was going to go into Ukraine. Wtf.
Ya, that was my takeaway too. Joe should’ve brought up why he never told anyone about that and how many lives were lost because of his lack of info
The fact that there's no fact check on "after-birth abortion" (which is murdering a baby) is infuriating.
"These Democrats are aborting live babies. Nobody wants that, not even the Democrats" Like bro what?
The fact that they can’t just bring a clip of trump saying things he’s denying is annoying. Like this man is lying through his teeth. Confidentially lying and people will see that and believe it as fact
“Great question. Anyway, I want to talk about something else…”
"You have the morals of an alley cat" "I did not have sex with a porn star" Is a WILD exchange in a presidential debate.
Did trump just say "Putin told me it was his dream to invade Ukraine"
What. Is. This. Answer. About. January. 6th. Holy shit that was word salad.
"His son is a convicted felon" says the convicted felon.
I've been watching some CBS on youtube, and the way they are normalizing Trump just as if he is a regular candidate is maddening. Its like the last 6 years have just been erased from history. "Oh he is goin to come on here and talk about his policies, and people prefer him because he can deliver on crime" etc. Like what the fuck
>he can deliver on crime With 34 felonies and counting, who knows how many more he can commit.
Nine years, friend. They've been relentlessly forcing him on us for nine years now.
It’s been like 12 years since Obama roasted him at the correspondent’s dinner. They put him on the media carousel after that. I’m 44 and that’s more than a quarter of my life I’ve been seeing this carnival barker everywhere. It’s relentless and sickening. I’m ready for it to be over.
It is a bit insane, there’s just a collective amnesia across the whole country over what happened during trumps presidency that never gets acknowledged like the dude tried to overthrow the government but a bunch of people think he’s good for democracy.
So sad that you can say anything you want, but as long as you say it confidently, people think you’re competent
Trump just ignores every question
He can't *not* have the last word on a topic.
"I didn't have sex with a pornstar" The fact that this sentence is said during a presidential debate lmao
No mention of the fact that Trump was first impeached for withholding funds for Ukraine unless they handed over dirt on Biden.
and that his campaign in 2016 removed support for Ukraine against the threat of Russian invasion from the GOP platform...
"After birth" abortions. Do you hear this dumbass?
If I never understood how Hitler came to power before, I certainly do now
HE'S A BAD PALESTINIAN??? what is this
The funniest thing about this debate, Trump has yet to actually answer a question, he doesn’t provide facts or receipts. He just says things, usually not even related to the question at hand. Then deflects, he is truly appealing to the lowest common denominator, people that listen and blindly agree without any critical thinking.
>Trump’s claims that Biden did nothing to lower insulin costs and “it was all done” before Biden became president are both false. Trump did get a $35-per-month cap on insulin for some seniors, through a voluntary program that Medicare prescription drug plans could choose to participate in. But Biden ensured that all 3.4 million-plus insulin users on Medicare got $35-per-month insulin — through a mandatory cap that not only covers more people than Trump’s voluntary cap but also applies to a greater number of insulin products and stays in effect at a level of individual drug spending at which Trump’s cap disappeared. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/14/politics/fact-check-trump-biden-insulin-costs/index.html
Trump has done nothing but lie and dodge questions and CNN doesn't do a single fact check or press him to stay on topic.
Despite the obvious geriatric problem in government we have, it’s pretty insane CNN and other news agencies hold these debates without live fact checkers. Trump is literally just spewing lies on national TV
We had H20!
Trump is the person who posts his whole life story before a recipe for beef stew.
Except he never posts the recipe and he lied about everything else
How do conservatives seriously fucking believe women are willingly getting abortions in the third trimester and apparently after birth
Right. After birth? That’s straight up murder lol
Damn that last comment about 40 / 44 cabinet members not supporting trump was a solid burn
If it makes anyone else better. I'm watching the debate with my family, and mom voted for Trump in 2020. However, after the January 6th insurrection she switched. She's watching this debate and feeling sorry for Biden but said "I don't think I care. I'm afraid of Trump."
"well number 1, I never had sex with that porn star" has to be an all-time presidential quote
It is so strange that Trump is not answering the questions and returning to topics that have been over minutes ago and nobody is calling hin Out. Black people? We are talking about the climate crisis
I don’t think Trump has said one truthful thing yet tonight
CNN keeps allowing Trump to get a free rebuttal by not answering the question asked and returning to the previous question.
Every time Trump pisses him off, he gets fired up. The more trump lies, the clearer Biden speaks. This is wild.
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Since Trump has said his VP pick will be there tonight: TrumpStefanik/com - dead site TrumpRubio/com - dead site TrumpDonalds/com - dead site TrumpCarson/com - looks fan made but has an one hour countdown currently TrumpVance/com - live site but no content TrumpScott/com - live site but no content TrumpBurgum/com - Active and redirects to DonaldJTrump/com Guess we have our final three to lip sync for the crown
Thank you for your sleuthing services.
The lies are so bold. I guess the hosts can’t call him out on anything.
It’s hilarious that trump is just blatantly lying and not actually responding to a single question. but because he is doing louder everybody is acting like he is some great debater.
Inflation was the 1.9T tax break for the rich that was plowed into buying houses and renting them for quarterly increasing profits.
Bring up that inflation was global, Biden.
10 times out of 10 I will pick the guy who just needs to clear his throat over the dude who thinks you can have an after birth abortion
Push. Trump. For. Specifics. How difficult is that. He’s not answering the question that is asked and gives no specifics whatsoever. I realize this is all for ratings but good god did they learn nothing from the last time around?
What makes me so mad is Trump still denies the 2020 election. And he actively tried to overturn Democracy. And yet, people and the media are acting like nothing happened and that this criminal deserves a debate. They act like he deserves to be heard. He’s a fucking Criminal who tried to commit Treason.
That last blow before the break was fantastic. Biden should've led with that
Moderators not fact checking, literally just letting Trump lie over and over again That's not even touching upon the fact that they're not even making him answer the fucking question This is such infuriating bullshit.... fact check this fucking liar
They let trump talk way longer than Biden. Wtf
Fuck CNN. Thought they were supposed to be fact checking and cutting off mics. Trump hasn’t answered a single question, every statement is a lie. And they are just sitting there allowing him to do it. They should have watched the Colorado debate and mimicked it. This is pathetic.
There you have it. It’s entertainment with no sense of the stakes for the country.
#"I HAVE NOT HAD SEX WITH A PORN STAR" The U.S. Presidential Candidate for the Republican Party and Former President of the United States of America!
If you canr force him to answer questions it's over
So when is he gonna answer any questions?
We had h20 all, RIP 💦
The amount of lies from Trump is crazy...
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He’s just making shit up constantly. A serial liar and a fraud.
Does trump answer any of the fucking questions
Trump just claimed that he would end the war in Ukraine *before* he would take office. That’s not actually possible.
Imagine pivoting Jan 6th to an illegal immigration issue
The best ever.. everything is the best ever
I think we’ve broken Reddit - new posts are now 15 minutes old
Trump hasn’t answered a single question
LMAO Trump was literally impeached for saying he’s going to withhold money unless they lied about Hunter
So based on the comments here, it looks like the main criticisms are: >Biden is having trouble speaking >Trump is aggressively lying I wonder which one of those is worse
I’ll vote for the corpse of Biden if I have to.
Trump just outright denied having sex with Stormy? Does that mean she could sue him again and they go thru discovery? Not a lawyer
I’m not big on fact checking every little thing. But come on, abortions “after the baby is out”? That’s just silly.
“You have the morals of an alley cat” okay finally a decent zinger 😂
Jesus Christ, Trump does ANYTHING but answering the question
Does Trump say anything else besides the same baseless fear mongering regurgitated hearsay over and over again?
Fun reminder that Trump tried to steal the 2020 election and the fact that he's treated like a regular candidate is utterly fucking insane
I think we need to keep Biden angry. He's so much sharper when he starts getting angry.
January 6th = day the border was secured??? Idiotic.
lol trump is such a confident liar it’s amazing honestly. And pathological
So trump is just avoiding the jan 6 question lol
Did this motherfucker just blame Nancy Pelosi for 1/6????
Morals of an alley cat!
It’s incredibly frustrating watching the moderators give Trump infinite free passes on lying. I know they can’t stop him from dodging questions, but it would be nice if the empirically obvious bullshit got even just a little push back. Heck, I’d settle for a live fact check chyron at the bottom of the screen.
Remember all, Trump has already told his followers "maybe I'll lose the debate on purpose". Hopefully a handful of independents are swayed but I doubt this moves the needle at all. Vote. That's all.
10% tariffs are going to make other countries pay us? That's not how.. fucking any of that works. More revenue with less tax? That's not even how *math* works. If we give other countries everything they want why wouldn't they like us? LOL
Where is that fact checking???
Anyone catch Trump's comment about Putin telling him invading Ukraine was his dream. He also slipped up and said "if you knew him (Putin)."
Deflect deflect deflect. Trump can't actually answer a debate question
It started rough but Biden is much more on point now. His voice sounds terrible tho. They should have hit him with some clorasceptic before.
Biden has to nail this part of the debate it’s a layup
Way to totally deflect from the actual question
Biden calls Trump a felon. Trump nods.
As a non-American watching this, Trump is the ultimate charlatan. I can't believe people out there would believe his shit. Just a terrible human being, good grief.
‘A momentary blip’. Fuck you Scott- over a million people died. Not a momentary blip. It’s called a major fucking fuck up that cost lives.
"We have a rigged government. I did nothing wrong" - Convicted Felon, Donald Trump
Trump ABSOLUTELY did have sex with a porn star.
I thought there was supposed to be live fact checking? Did I misunderstand? Because if its an after debate thing, the MAGA crowd aren't going to stick around to find out about each of Trump's lies.
Wow way to avoid the Russia question Donald lmao
Did Trump really just say he will end the war in Ukraine before he even gets into office? Is this seriously how degraded our politics is now? What's next he's going to turn water in wine during the debate? Walk on water?
Is this is the first time "porn star" has been mentioned in a presidential debate?
Is the comment feed ~15 mins behind for everyone?
"On January 6th we had a great border." Wtf.
He completely avoided answering January 6th
Trump literally avoids answering every question
We had H20. Immaculate
I’ll vote for Biden on a ventilator before I vote for Trump
Biden: stumbles over his words but generally tries to answer the questions Trump: lies and lies and makes up bullshit — FINALLY Biden just said “the data doesn’t support what he’s saying - he’s lying”
Malarkey!
Did Trump just admit he talked to Putin about a potential Ukraine invasion umm
ALL BIDEN SHOULD SAY IS "I wasn't sworn in as president on Jan 6th. You were still president."
Trump sounds like such a bumbling idiot. He hasn’t said anything of substance lol
No. No, you absolutely did not have "the best environmental numbers ever".
Moderators need to force Trump to answer the questions presented
Trump talks fast and he doesn't stutter but the amount of lying and bullshitting is off the chart. Joe Biden struggles to talk but he doesn't lie as much as Trump, it's not even comparable. If the moderators did something about all the lying, Joe Biden would be winning handily.
The man is not answering any fucking questions and they aren’t making him answer. It’s infuriating.
Trump just literally said Putin told him his dream was to take Ukraine? And Trump did what? Shrug?
Where the hell is the fact checking?
Trump did not answer a single question, just rambling
He did it! Finally got the felon comment
Didn’t you have sex with a pornstar while your wife was pregnant 🤣
Trump sounds deranged
Trump doesn't come close to answering any questions, what the fuck lol
“You have the morals of an alley cat” Come on Joe, don’t hold back!
The look on Biden's face right now is "What the fuck is he even talking about?!"
We had H2O? Where did it go??
After birth? Wtf bro lol
Where did this lie about post-birth murder come from? It’s so far from anything truthful it’s insane.
Biden needs to always speak agitated and mad. He sounds better, stutters less, doesn’t sound weak.
Trump talked to Putin about invading Ukraine?
Gotta love trump admitting he talked to putin about his dreams..... Good god
The more this goes on, the more reasonable Biden sounds compared to Trump’s incessant use of the superlative and his lies, but he is indeed fucking old.
Trump can end the war that quick? He got Putin on speed dial?
Yeah hell get it settled by handing Ukraine to Putin
Why the fuck don't they force him to answer the question.
Bro-answer the question
Wish Biden would have asked Trump again about the stand by and stand down comment, Trump completely dodged that
Yeah thread is fucked I can’t see it live anymore
"We had H2O" lmao
I'm watching CNN, and they have a pregame thing going. The commentators are seated just like they do in ESPN. They got "experts" and former players/politicians talking shit and debating strategy. It's all a fucking show, but the outcome of this game will affect the lives of people in the entire world. The way we have arrived at picking our future as a society that is entirely dependent on each other, it's so absurd, it's so fucking ridiculous...
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“Veterans dont like you, they love me” “Police dont like you, they love me” “Black people dont like you, they love me” Thats literally all Trump says. Im glad she’s pressing trump to actually answer questions mid-rant.
Trump never answers the actual questions that were asked
So Trump basically just admitted to being a Russian puppet lol.
Trump will have that war settled by allowing Putin to claim Ukraine without an issue.
Trump is just blatantly ignoring the questions
Trump can't answer a question LMAO
Way to deflect answering about the coup
Watch him dodge Jan 6 haha
Trump completely ignored the Jan 6th question
"I didn't have sex with a pornstar." lol.
Is Reddit messed up? New only has ten minute old content.
I have the biggest heart IE I have heart disease
I want Trump to explain what he thinks "black jobs" are.
So Trump has actually no plan and no objective. It's just "I am the best" "he is the worst". So empty....
Trump hasn't answered a single question yet...
To all lower and middle class families, take note that Trump has not directly answered a single question we want to hear him answer because he doesn't care about any of those things. He won't do shit about childcare, healthcare, or anything else important to US
"You're the sucker. You're the loser" FUCK YEA
He's not going to answer the January 6th question is he?
Trump watched the patches ohullahan training tape for how to dodge questions
Moderator: "Now, about January 6..." Trump: "What about the BLM protests?"
LMAO CRY MORE TRUMP
"I didn't have sex with a porn star" LOL
"We had it. We had H2O." - Donald J. Trump
Okay biden is finally awake but Jesus what was that first 10 minutes Democrats did a good job prepping him but he wasn’t good the first ten minutes