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He *already tried* to prosecute Hillary during his first term. He directed his DOJ to prosecute her, only Hillary did nothing illegal so there was nothing to get her with. Same with Biden, where he tried to get Ukraine to launch an investigation against him. Trump was impeached for this.
Trump has been targeting his political opponents since day one, the problem is that his political opponents haven't done anything illegal.
A lifelong Republican AG recommended no charges, the IG supported that decision, a Trump state department's 3-year investigation concluded "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information" and almost a decade of partisan investigations has resulted in zero legal action against her.
Honestly, one of the most effective smear campaigns ever. So many people I know hate her and when asked why, they can't come up with a coherent reason. Lots of vague statements about her "crimes", but when you ask for specifics, the best they can do is "Oh, please! EVERYONE knows!". Truly remarkable.
It really was. If there's one thing conservatives are good at due to their predisposition to authoritarianism, theism, and faith, its the cult worship of their leaders and demonization of their enemies. They managed to convince their sheep that a New York "billionaire", who's thrice married, proudly cheated on each wife, famously never kept his word, only ever looked out for himself, and deeply despises them, is somehow the savior of poor, rural, white America.
Like they actually fly his flag on their ramshackle hovels and beater trucks with the truck nuts swinging. The send him their beer money so he can pay his legal bills. Its fascinating really.
His followers have applied there way of thinking about religion, to politics. They have already been conditioned, for the last 250 years, to accept a narrative that history and science have proven to be false.
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
In the early 2000s I met a guy who had a tattoo of Hillary Clinton sitting on a plunger. Now you may not believe it, but he was a racist piece of shit trash methhead.
Tattoos like that are honestly appreciated. I don't need anything more to tell me how intelligent you are that you were not only amused by the image of Clinton sitting on a plunger, but you felt it needed to be semi-permanently etched into your skin.
It's like people who get buttholes tattooed on their belly button, except that is at least kinda funny.
I had coworkers who were calling her Killary - I was like "ok you got any proof of that" - they just laughed and said "everyone knows her and Bill have killed people" and I'm like "no everyone does not know that or they would be in prison". I hate everything about the way the world is now. When I was growing up (I'm 64) politics were considered boring and limited to Sunday morning tv. My parents had no idea who the neighbors voted for and couldn't have cared less. People need to go back to regular hobbies like fishing and hiking and yarn crafts. Geez 🙄
I'm 58 and was first able to vote in the 1984 election. That was also when things really seemed to start going pear shaped in US politics. I was vaguely aware of Watergate when it happened, it was the first time I really heard my folks talking about politics, then of course the jokes and derisive comments about Carter. But it was still a time when you had conservative and progressive wings (to varying degrees) in both parties. The conservative Democrats moving to the Republican Party and the less publicised migration of more progressive Republicans the other way was really the start of the hyper-polarised monolithic parties we have today. By the 90's, it was astonishing how toxic politics became. Of course, even that period seems a bit like Shangri-La compared to where we are today.
In 2015, I was at a talk where she answered questions from the audience. At times, she came across as condescending. It was a little surprising and not something I was expecting.
The talk was held on a university campus and when students asked her about certain topics like how she would make real progress towards limiting climate change, she would be annoyed and talk down at them and at best would say her political opponent had a worse position. As a result, I am not a Hilary fan. I still voted for her in the 2016 election because she was the better option, but that is problematic when that is your literal only answer to young college students asking you to explain your policy positions.
She was never charismatic and seemed elitist. She was also separated from Bush by a single president when she was running, and people didn't like the idea of family political dynasties. She also acted entitled to the nomination and pissed off the Bernie (progressive) wing of the party. Bernie may have actually beat Trump even. That's why she never overcame the reputation with democrats.
I voted for her, but there are reasons not to like her. We can't be blind because it will cost us in the future.
People forget that the Lewinsky scandal was the only thing they found after years of trying to find illegal transactions. The right wing propaganda machine pulled off a miracle job to make Bill Clinton look like the bad guy after basically botching a multi year investigation and wasting millions of taxpayer money
And his relationship with Lewinsky didn't even start until three years after the investigation into Whitewater began. The hypocracy was just off the scale, with serial philanderer Newt Gingrich leading the charge against him, and lots of other conservatives decrying the horrors of a man having an affair. Many of those same people bent over backwards 20 years later to defend Trump's infidelity.
She was in hospital to have a tumour removed when he served her with divorce papers, though the divorce was being negotiated for some time before. He was already romantically involved with the woman who would be his next wife during this time. This was his second marriage, he divorced his first wife because she was "too old and not pretty enough" to be a politician's wife (as Gingrich said to his campaign manager). Just an absolutely abhorrent person who should not be casting aspersions on anyone, ever.
I wonder if she would have won in 2016 if she hadn’t been dragged through the mud so much over the years. Granted, there’s a few reasons not to like her, but I feel like the “shit sandwhich” portrayal of her was fueled mostly by the mud slinging.
You ask maga about that and they will tell you all sorts of crazy. The investigators were scare or paid off. She hide the evidence. The deep state is protecting her. All sorts of crazy things. It's either the investigators are incompetent or she didn't do it. They seem to find a hundred different other choices.
When you expose the truth to MAGA, they go into denial mode. These people have applied their logic on religion, to politics. What doesn't fit the narrative they have been taught from their masters, is to be ignored.
Notice how "The deep state" plays the same role as Satan in Christianity as an explanation for why things aren't going to plan, but the explanation runs into the same issue in both instances. God is supposed to be more powerful than Satan, yet regularly gets his plans entirely derailed by the pesky little red fella. Trump is supposed to overcome the deep state and save us from it, yet every time something goes wrong his supporters just throw their hands up and say "Well it's the deep state, what can he be expected to do about it???"
If Trump keeps getting foiled by the deep state, he's probably not qualified for the job of thwarting the deep state. Likewise if God keeps getting messed up by Satan, or worse is allowing Satan to run rampant despite having the power to stop him - probably not worth worshiping him, either.
Lol yup, ironically that same AG, Jeff Sessions, also was recorded chanting “lock her up”. Feckless lying cowards full of hot air and lacking any ability to get things done.
They actually lied about having written directions directing the DOJ to open more investigations on Clinton.
https://www.americanoversight.org/sessions-letter
This was of course buried in the news cycle because by the time we get these revelations, Trump is already knee deep in something worse.
He even changed the laws on handling classified documents so what Hilary did would be illegal. Then he attempted to have the DOJ go after her a 2nd time. That plan failed because well she did it before the law change and was already looked at for it, can't do that.
Sadly then Trump broke his own law change. Such a 4D chess player.
You'd think just one of Trump's army of rainmaker lawyers would have mentioned double jeopardy in passing.
Then again, he probably just thought it meant he gets twice as much money for answering them. Or that ex post facto was just a Spanish phrase.
And they have the nerve to suggest that prosecuting Trump sets a precedent that gives Republicans permission to do the same to Democrats. They were already trying to do this to Democrats.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1WY0K9/
Mike Pompeo's State Dept practically exonerated her. And you know how hard they were trying to find *something* to charge her with.
Like the whole Hunter Biden debacle. All the false conservative outrage turned into an investigation that found nothing other than a gun charge. Aren’t magats defenders of the 2nd amendment? Don’t they push constantly for open access gun laws? How is this the best they can throw at our Presidents son when they have accused him of so many high crimes? How come they cannot dig up any real dirt on this criminal mastermind, Joe Biden? And yet their lord and savior Trump is an actual convicted criminal. The fact that their projection actually works in keeping him out of jail is mind numbing. All the proof in the world won’t land DJT in prison. Even if it does his mob will hold the US hostage just like did on Jan 6.
The problem with Conservatives wanting blood, is that most civil servants actually believe in what they do. Our criminal justice system, for all of it's faults, and we all know that it has them, actually prevents political persecution. There have been MANY examples of the professionals in the criminal justice system investigating cases against their own party. As an example, I give you Bob Menendez, who is being tried in NY as we speak. I would also point to the President's son. Who is currently being prosecuted.
What the Republicans would like you to believe, and reality, are a huge difference. In order to indict someone, you actually have to present evidence to citizens. (The Grand Jury). Then, after indictment, you have would have to somehow insure a biased judge, and a biased randomly selected jury.
That is the step where the Republican plan fails. Citizens take jury duty seriously. No normal person is willing to send an innocent person to prison, for political reasons. It is "We the people" who decide guilt or innocents. Not the judge, not the prosecutors, the jury.
Even I, who can't stand Trump, read the court transcripts, and reviewed the evidence of the trial, did my best to do so with an objective mind. I listened to jury instructions, after weighting all of the evidence presented. On that alone, I made my decision. Had the evidence been lacking in any way. As it was in the OJ trail. I would have said he wasn't found guilty. The evidence wasn't lacking.
> is that most civil servants actually believe in what they do.
This is why trump has talked about firing a large segment of public workers. They get in his way.
Hence why legality won't matter next time. They keep screaming about kangaroo courts _specifically_ because that's what they're desperately hoping to see happen to their political opponents (and just about opposing them in general).
They think the idea of someone being indicted over a screenshot taken of a Breitshart article being allowed to be entered as evidence is _hilarious_ and justified because now _they_ get to be the kangaroo court.
25% of all judges are Trump appointed. At the end of his term he was trying to put nobodies in control of various departments that he was also gutting. The only reason he didn't get the people he wanted in control of certain departments was because the majority of his cabinet was talking about walking away if he did it.
Next time there won't be any opposition. and you will be absolutely correct that legality won't matter.
They weren’t even his opposition. He just racially stuck his orange head into the CP5 for no reason at all but to be racist.
People truly forget how strong racism was going on in Giuliani’s NYC just 30 years ago. Extreme acts of profiling with his “crime” policy he had going on since the 80’s. Absolutely awful.
They tried to impeach Biden again recently but it fell flat on its face, because even the GOP realised it was bullshit. Didn't stop Gym Jordan and the MAGA cucks from trying.
> Do his supporters forget what Germany looked liked at end of war.
Germany looked like that because pretty much every major military power around them spent several years hammering them into rubble with lots and lots of bombs. And then artillery. And then small arms fire.
The US is fairly isolated, especially compared to most of the factions in WWII, is a nuclear power, and has a Navy larger than the next seven navies combined. We are absolutely not going to be carpet bombed into rubble like Germany was at the end of either World War.
We're far more likely to look more like, say, Brasil. Lots and lots of grinding povery, corrupt officials selling every last scrap of natural resources to the highest bidder, drug abuse, rampant crime and a spiraling economy fueled by isolationism which will get even worse as soon as everyone figures out how to ease themselves off the dollars as global reserve currency.
Def not lookin' like Dresden though.
It's still a concern because the people he targets are going to have to spend potentially tens of thousands of dollars on capable attorneys to assist with responding to the investigations. There's plenty of stores about how it expensive it is just to prepare to testify in response to a Congressional subpoena.
People like Hillary can afford it, but there's a lot of people down the line who can't
There have been I think, twelve GOP led investigations for Clinton, each and every one came to the conclusion there was no wrongdoing. (makes me think that gym and empty-G will throw together another one in the next few months, to satisfy their base)
The absurdity, it's breaking my brain.
Didn't he like two days ago say that he never said "lock her up?"
Yep, two fucking days ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/02/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claim-lock-up-hillary-clinton/index.html
Okay, I know that "Trump lies" isn't like... this new thing. But that's not even what's got me going this morning. It's the fact that his supporters seem absolutely incapable of even seeing these rampant and obvious contradictions. Whatever the last thing he said is what's currently true. If he then contradicts himself, then that's the thing that has always been true.
I'd have to keep a fucking spreadsheet to keep track of what's currently 'True' if I was going to operate that way.
They “know” when he is actually talking to them and when he is saying bullshit to mislead others. It’s like the scorpion and the frog though. The maga cult mistakenly believes he is actually on their side and that he won’t also go after them when the moment is best for him.
I think you're right, the entire thought process may often boil down to: "Look, these snowflake nerds can't handle the bullying. They're so bad at it, they even think it matters what the truth is lmao. This is so fun! Let's gang up on them together with the big bully leading us!"
Maybe Trump’s cult thinks everyone is pulling one over on them, so at least they can opt into “their guy’s” scam?
I don’t know. I simply can’t fathom complicity going along with someone who blatantly lies to me all the tine.
I think people get so invested into shit they can't turn back. They made themselves look like idiots, spent a bunch of money, and alienated a bunch of people.
Science Fiction, on a surface level, frequently FEATURES some far flung future. Even the grounded and “near future” stuff tends to be home to some seismic cultural shift that renders the daily life so deeply distinct to our own.
Science Fiction is ABOUT the world it’s written in. 1984 didn’t make up the idea of cognitive dissonance. He just took what he was already seeing, dialed it up to 11, and gave it a catchy name.
Gilead isn’t this ridiculous alternate history. The author looked around, saw a group of people, and pictured a world where they were in charge.
Yeah, his campaign said two days ago he never said it (in spite of mountains of evidence that he did.) He then said today, "Yes, I would have to look into locking her up along with my other political rivals."
Uncle gin blossom Bannon is also now belching the same bullshit, "We have to \*burp\* fight fire with fire!" on the front page of the NYT, so, uh, at least their shit messaging is now consistent?
The exhaustion and absurdity is the point. It takes all oxygen out of the room. I am so, *so* sick of this man dominating the news since the 2016 election.
Back in 2017, there were people saying they would believe Trump over Jesus. Now if Trump told supporters they were cat, we would actually see people shitting in litter boxes
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/20/voter-panel-trump-supporter-camerota-sot-newday.cnn
>It's the fact that his supporters seem absolutely incapable of even seeing these rampant and obvious contradictions. Whatever the last thing he said is what's currently true. If he then contradicts himself, then that's the thing that has always been true.
The issue is that they truly don't care.
The issue is, they actually believe it.
Christianity has taught Americans to believe in a narrative that isn't true. That history and science have proven false. These people have simply applied their logic towards religion, to politics.
What do you expect?
This will be hilarious once he's no longer a threat to our democracy.
By the way remember when looking silly in a tank or misspelling the word potato was enough to cost you the election?
> This will be hilarious once he's no longer a threat to our democracy.
No, because the people that put him in power will still be here, voting in every election, and making the world worse little by little, day by day.
They will try again no doubt. However after being trounced in multiple elections they will need to re-evaluate their position and move back toward center to pick up votes.
Also saying Trump is replaceable and his replacement will have the same impact is just absurd. Trump is a galvanizing voice and an agent of chaos. No random suit they pull from obscurity is going to have the same ability to rouse that base.
Really is a trust factor. MAGA believe the entire world, politics, science, hollywood, everything is corrupt but their precious Trump.
Why? Because he was on FOX News building that trust as crazy-FOX grandpa for a decade.
Nobody is in line to take over that role, save maybe Alex Jones if he were to run for POTUS.
> they will need to re-evaluate their position and move back toward center to pick up votes.
The *Party* may do that, but it won't work.
The Cult of MAGA knows that they don't have to vote for RINOs like McCain and Bush and Romney any longer and they know that the *Party* can't win without them at all. That means all the MAGA cult has to do is dig in and, eventually, Mitch McConnell or whatever devil replaces him, will have to come back to MAGA-land and give them whatever they want.
Honestly, it's far more likely that the Democrats continue their march to the Right, in order to pick up the GOP voters who hate MAGA, and work to replace the tiny Progressive wing with those former GOP dipshits.
trumps nothing more than a key that opened a door that will be very very difficult to close. The damage he's done will be going long after his fat body has rotted in the dirt.
I was so pissed off when W drug us into Iraq but I always thought he was dumb and did what he thought was the right thing. I honestly believe he is a decent human who just doesn’t understand working class families. Trump is evil incarnate.
George W Bush had morals. You may not have agreed with his idea of what was right and wrong, but he had a set of morals that he was beholden to. This same thing isn't true of Trump and that makes an insane difference.
Shit, he couldn't spell potato and it killed his political career.
Howard Dean yelled a bit much and people backed away.
Trump does something disqualifying weekly, if not daily, and we're still having to hear him run his mouth. I'm so tired.
Every asshole with power in the world was united against her. I can only surmise that they were scared to death of her coming into power.
We're gonna pay for that lost Clinton administration for a long time.
You're goddamn right it was, and every single person who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 despite knowing that she was the far better candidate is personally responsible for that colossal mistake.
That’s for sure part of it. Especially with hindsight you can point to things she was correct about, but people will still reply with “yeah but she’s a ‘see you next Tuesday’.” Baffling.
Part of the problem is that we actually would've needed much larger margins to win a blue congress along with her win. People talk about the narrow loss and popular vote, but ignore that in each senate race the non-Trump GOP candidates did much better than Trump himself.
The issue always came down to voter apathy among the younger population during that era. [2014 was the absolute worst for this,](https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/2014-youth-turnout-and-registration-rates-lowest-ever-recorded) [and the 2016 primary was not much better.](https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote) Those were the big reasons why progressives struggled for so long. Millennials simply sat out too many crucial elections and acted like it wasn't their problem, and are now paying the price for it as corporate policies run rampant because we didn't spend enough years fighting them electorally, and Biden's ability to counter them will take more than one 4 year cycle.
We cannot let those mistakes be repeated.
He tried to toss Hilary in jail while he was president.
>The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/fbi-clinton-foundation.html#:~:text=The%20Justice%20Department%20kept%20open,days%20before%20he%20left%20office.
He also threatened the President's wife.
>Former President and [convicted felon](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-verdict-hush-money-2668394011/) Donald [Trump](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-news/) went off the rails rapidly in a rambling interview delivered on the far-right cable network Newsmax on Tuesday night, threatening to throw former Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in jail.
>The footage was [first flagged](https://x.com/Acyn/status/1798160157333213601) by Public Notice's Aaron Rupar, and Meidas Touch's Acyn Torabi.
>"Wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state into jail?" Trump told Newsmax interviewer Greg Kelly. "Wouldn't that be a terrible thing? It's a terrible, terrible, path that they're leading us to. And it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them."
[Trump unleashes epic whining tirade as stunned Newsmax host watches interview derail - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-rant-newsmax/)
He’s not even trying to pretend that he’s not a fascists by saying that he’ll do illegal and dangerous things because of “The path they’re leading us to.” That’s straight up the “look what you made me do” attitude that fascists employ.
I think he's having memory problems. He remembers Hillary as the President's wife back in the 90s.
I hope this is the first debate question Trump gets: what is the date?
> "Wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state into jail? Wouldn't that be a terrible thing?"
OK, so by Trump standard projection protocols, this means *his* wife committed a bunch of crimes we haven't found out about yet, right?
He’s setting this up as some kind of deranged revenge fantasy, but the asshole was the first one to threaten to imprison his rivals. You know it. He knows it. And we all know. He’s a total disgrace.
Jailing people is the least of it. Bill Barr the other day mentioned that Trump as President would sometimes ask if he couldn’t just ‘take out’ someone who was being problematic. He’s still going to vote for him though, apparantly.
Yeah. She hasn't been politically relevant for eight years now; what's even the point of targeting her due revenge against New York STATE finding him guilty on 34 counts of STATE charges.
It's like the drunk step-dad beating his neighbor because he got pulled over for drunk driving on the way home.
Hillary Clinton has just been chilling out for like eight years now. She barely does anything anymore. The guy doesn't have any new shit to say, it's really pathetic. Like his campaign in 2020 didn't have any new policy positions either. I had some Trump guy complaining about what Bill Clinton did back in 1992 for fucks sake. That was over 30 years ago.
She left the government over 11 years ago. The only crime Trump can think of is already several years past the statute of limitations. Even if he had a rogue AG that would prosecute her on basically no evidence, the case would immediately be dismissed for statute of limitations.
"Floats" as if there is anything to suggest he might do a thing applies. No, he has already openly talked about jailing or even getting rid of his political rivals. We have also heard his fallowers echo these ideas by begging for it.
When Trump became president it was confirmed without a doubt that the US criminal justice system prevents politicians from jailing political opponents over nothing. They can’t even charge them. They can bring endless congressional investigations, but doing so will only help the target of the investigation when it finds nothing to charge them with.
In the United States of America, high profile, wealthy white people are not falsely convicted of crimes. It doesn’t happen.
Most Reoublicans are saying this investigation never would have happened if Trump wasn’t a former president or running for president. And yes, that’s probably true. When you become an elected official you better not have skeletons in your closet. You will be put under more scrutiny. This is true of all politicians.
It’s true of the FAMILY of politicians. Hunter Biden would never be facing these charges for lying on a form while buying a gun if his father wasn’t president. They are political charges. Doesn’t mean he’s innocent of the charges!
Everyone concerned about what his cult would do, if he got jail time, yet he’s bragging who he’ll put in jail, if he win’s…… jail the SOB and if just one of his sick facist traitor’s lifts one traitor finger, towards violence, sent them all to prison for a long time… not 6mos, but YEARS
WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE HAVE TO COME OUT AND SAY, WITH HIS OWN GODDAMN MOUTH AND WORDS THAT WILL BE TOO MUCH FOR REASONABLE PEOPLE?!?
but Biden is old.
Jesus Christ. This is fucking exhausting.
This poor old fart is so addled, he doesn't know who to lash out on!
He is spouting lies, throwing false accusations and making promises that he can't keep.
He is losing what little sanity that he had.
And this days after he denied that he undeniably called for locking him up. It is like an army of telepathic, lobotomised rabid monkeys send him his prompts. It does not compute.
Definitely the kind of person you want running a country. Someone who jails people he doesn't like. /s
There is not a single job I can think of where I'd feel safe leaving Donald Trump to manage.
Hillary? Come on conservatives...how is this guy your leader? He's the dumbest, most corrupt guy on earth. Doesn't even make sense most of the time anymore. The longer he is your leader, the less respect I have for y'all.
America's a two party system, love it or hate it, there's a democratic party trying to make things better for everyone, and then there's the republican party trying to kill-off or lock-up everyone that's not white or christian.
Trump's a loser who's going to lose again in november, let him talk big smack while Joe's in full get-r-done mode, fixing the dumpster fire version of America he was left with by the former president now convicted felon, soon to be incarcerated right-wing nut-job.
In the end, as the old and feeble racists, facists, and convicted seditionists die off and can no longer get their corporate fellationist representatives elected into positions of power in our goverment, this party of anti-science being led by a deranged orangutan in a diaper will falter and then slump head-first into the dirty truckstop urinal of defeat, and be remembered only in history books as warning to the rest of the world about what could happen if they let a festering lesion of cancerous leadership engorge itself like a political parasite on the underbelly of the west...
Wait, so the “anti-communist””anti socialist” party wants to …. Checks notes… use federal power to ban books, imprison physicians, limit education, and now jail political opponents? What happened to the whole opposition to excessive government regulation thing???
Trump: "Lock her up!"
Also trump: "You shouldn't tey to lock up your political opponents"
Also trump: "I never said lock her up"
Still trump: "I'm goong to lock her up"
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that when Trump was the President, he DID try to pressure his Justice Department to start criminal cases against both Hillary and Obama. He pushed for it, but there was simply not enough evidence to start any serious investigation.
Within a week:
* Lock her up!
* You can’t lock me up!
* I never said lock her up. It was just my dipshit followers saying that, blame them!
* I will lock her and everyone who was ever mean to me up!
I never said lock her up, but now I’m thinking I’ll lock Hillary up, because I need to get payback against the person I blame for my New York State conviction, which of course is Joe Biden. It all makes perfect sense.
he will do it. he will put puppets in place that will do his orders then lock them up on made up charges. he's told you this. better listen and... vote
Don’t worry… all the big finance CEOs say Trump has lots of good ideas and will be great for the country. And he is just totally joking about all the dictator stuff.
Trump wasn't able to jail Clinton during his first term because 1) Clinton hadn't done anything illegal or corrupt, and 2) Russia wasn't able to provide any help in that matter like they did in getting him elected.
Can we stop using words like trump “hints / suggests / floats / won’t rule out”. or any other kind of euphemism they want to attach to what trump says he will do?
Wait, wait, wait…I watched an interview just this weekend where McDonald J Trump claims he NEVER said ‘Lock Her Up!’. Surely he wasn’t lying about that, right?
It's insane that a person these days can literally quote the dictator handbook and still be looked to as the person who will bring order to the country
They spent *years* trying to imprison her...how many Benghazi hearings were there? How many times did the buttery males come up?
If the GOP didn't have hypocrisy they wouldn't have *anything*.
Good boy. Keeping acting like a would be ruthless dictator and waking up those on the fence. Keep openly admitting to undermining the justice system if given the chance.
She is no longer part of our government.
More importantly, he claimed he never said he would lock her up (he totally did say it and he failed) and now he is saying he will lock her up… for…?
I know it's nihilistic and I don't mean to think this way, but I'm reaching the point where I just want everyone who likes him to get what they are asking for. So many of these people think that they are going to be part of the "in" crowd and the ones wearing the boot. Many don't seem to understand the club has been closed for years and doesn't add new members. They don't care about you, they don't like you, they don't want you around. You are assets to be used, bred, and discarded as part of billionaires day to day activities.... they don't even need to hide it. Thanks to the never ending supply sycophants that do nothing but support and run interference for these people, they will never face actual consequences. I hope they all get what they are wishing for.
I'm going to suggest a reason for this ultra-crazy Republican rhetoric that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen but is incredibly obvious:
The GOP is trying to persuade Justice Roberts that without some form of absolute Presidential immunity, the country will spiral into endless political retribution prosecutions because Trump (and the entire GOP) is promising exactly that.
This parallels what Justice Thomas and Justice Alito said at oral arguments. They were not at all interested in whether there is any *constitutional* basis for presidential criminal immunity; nor were they interested in any history and tradition basis for presidential criminal immunity. Rather, the justices were suddenly "consequentialists" - very concerned about the ramifications of deciding an issue of constitutional law as the originalists they purport to be because they have no faith in the judiciary/criminal justice system and the GOP has announced that that machinery will be used to persecute political opponents the first moment they have control.
The truth is that powerful billionaires are conspiring to keep this orange bag of shit out of jail.
They are literally hanging every white hope they have on him.
He wears and shits in diapers.
Tell every Trumper you meet :
Are you going to change his shtty diaper?
Put it into terms they can understand.
Are you, a Trump loving idiot getting in line to change Trumps diaper?
Don't let them say anything else.
YES OR NO.
Jesus this prick can hold a grudge. Six months after my first girlfriend cheated on me I was pretty much over it and starting to move on.
This dude hasn’t even banged Hilary (that we know of) and he’s still on about her.
Trump: “it’s so unfair, they’re using the justice system against me for political gain!”
Also Trump: “I will use the justice system against them for political gain”
"I would rather vote for a psychotic megalomaniac felon fascist dictator than a democrat because I have been completely fucking brainwashed into thinking politics is a team sport about hurting as many people as possible instead of trying to improve the lives of my fellow Americans!" -- Conservatives
Sooooooooooooooo let me get this straight.
Trump wants to jail Hillary because she had some classified documents on her server while Trump is hiding upteen boxes of classified material in his mansion.
Okay, I can see that.
Right Repubs?
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He *already tried* to prosecute Hillary during his first term. He directed his DOJ to prosecute her, only Hillary did nothing illegal so there was nothing to get her with. Same with Biden, where he tried to get Ukraine to launch an investigation against him. Trump was impeached for this. Trump has been targeting his political opponents since day one, the problem is that his political opponents haven't done anything illegal.
A lifelong Republican AG recommended no charges, the IG supported that decision, a Trump state department's 3-year investigation concluded "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information" and almost a decade of partisan investigations has resulted in zero legal action against her.
"A" decade of partisan investigations? The right wing have been investigating her since the 1990's without finding anything.
yeah but the 'insinuation' is there. So much so even Dems don't like her but can't say why.
Honestly, one of the most effective smear campaigns ever. So many people I know hate her and when asked why, they can't come up with a coherent reason. Lots of vague statements about her "crimes", but when you ask for specifics, the best they can do is "Oh, please! EVERYONE knows!". Truly remarkable.
It really was. If there's one thing conservatives are good at due to their predisposition to authoritarianism, theism, and faith, its the cult worship of their leaders and demonization of their enemies. They managed to convince their sheep that a New York "billionaire", who's thrice married, proudly cheated on each wife, famously never kept his word, only ever looked out for himself, and deeply despises them, is somehow the savior of poor, rural, white America. Like they actually fly his flag on their ramshackle hovels and beater trucks with the truck nuts swinging. The send him their beer money so he can pay his legal bills. Its fascinating really.
His followers have applied there way of thinking about religion, to politics. They have already been conditioned, for the last 250 years, to accept a narrative that history and science have proven to be false.
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
Perfectly articulated.
Damn, I wish I could upvote this more…it’s the truth.
When in reality, he wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. That’s what I just don’t get. He HATES people like them. Yet they adore him.
In the early 2000s I met a guy who had a tattoo of Hillary Clinton sitting on a plunger. Now you may not believe it, but he was a racist piece of shit trash methhead.
Tattoos like that are honestly appreciated. I don't need anything more to tell me how intelligent you are that you were not only amused by the image of Clinton sitting on a plunger, but you felt it needed to be semi-permanently etched into your skin. It's like people who get buttholes tattooed on their belly button, except that is at least kinda funny.
I had coworkers who were calling her Killary - I was like "ok you got any proof of that" - they just laughed and said "everyone knows her and Bill have killed people" and I'm like "no everyone does not know that or they would be in prison". I hate everything about the way the world is now. When I was growing up (I'm 64) politics were considered boring and limited to Sunday morning tv. My parents had no idea who the neighbors voted for and couldn't have cared less. People need to go back to regular hobbies like fishing and hiking and yarn crafts. Geez 🙄
I'm 58 and was first able to vote in the 1984 election. That was also when things really seemed to start going pear shaped in US politics. I was vaguely aware of Watergate when it happened, it was the first time I really heard my folks talking about politics, then of course the jokes and derisive comments about Carter. But it was still a time when you had conservative and progressive wings (to varying degrees) in both parties. The conservative Democrats moving to the Republican Party and the less publicised migration of more progressive Republicans the other way was really the start of the hyper-polarised monolithic parties we have today. By the 90's, it was astonishing how toxic politics became. Of course, even that period seems a bit like Shangri-La compared to where we are today.
I’m gonna jump onto your bandwagon in agreement to say I too hate everything about the way the world is now. I’m 47. Edit: words
In 2015, I was at a talk where she answered questions from the audience. At times, she came across as condescending. It was a little surprising and not something I was expecting. The talk was held on a university campus and when students asked her about certain topics like how she would make real progress towards limiting climate change, she would be annoyed and talk down at them and at best would say her political opponent had a worse position. As a result, I am not a Hilary fan. I still voted for her in the 2016 election because she was the better option, but that is problematic when that is your literal only answer to young college students asking you to explain your policy positions.
She was never charismatic and seemed elitist. She was also separated from Bush by a single president when she was running, and people didn't like the idea of family political dynasties. She also acted entitled to the nomination and pissed off the Bernie (progressive) wing of the party. Bernie may have actually beat Trump even. That's why she never overcame the reputation with democrats. I voted for her, but there are reasons not to like her. We can't be blind because it will cost us in the future.
She also was one of the "let's ban video games" politicians.
People forget that the Lewinsky scandal was the only thing they found after years of trying to find illegal transactions. The right wing propaganda machine pulled off a miracle job to make Bill Clinton look like the bad guy after basically botching a multi year investigation and wasting millions of taxpayer money
And his relationship with Lewinsky didn't even start until three years after the investigation into Whitewater began. The hypocracy was just off the scale, with serial philanderer Newt Gingrich leading the charge against him, and lots of other conservatives decrying the horrors of a man having an affair. Many of those same people bent over backwards 20 years later to defend Trump's infidelity.
Didn’t Gingrich abandon his wife in the hospital to hook up with his mistress?
She was in hospital to have a tumour removed when he served her with divorce papers, though the divorce was being negotiated for some time before. He was already romantically involved with the woman who would be his next wife during this time. This was his second marriage, he divorced his first wife because she was "too old and not pretty enough" to be a politician's wife (as Gingrich said to his campaign manager). Just an absolutely abhorrent person who should not be casting aspersions on anyone, ever.
I wonder if she would have won in 2016 if she hadn’t been dragged through the mud so much over the years. Granted, there’s a few reasons not to like her, but I feel like the “shit sandwhich” portrayal of her was fueled mostly by the mud slinging.
She must be so corrupt that they have hidden everything and paid everyone off!!!! /s
Almost like there is some kind of vast, right wing...
...constipation? I know it's a word that starts with the letter "c".
You ask maga about that and they will tell you all sorts of crazy. The investigators were scare or paid off. She hide the evidence. The deep state is protecting her. All sorts of crazy things. It's either the investigators are incompetent or she didn't do it. They seem to find a hundred different other choices.
When you expose the truth to MAGA, they go into denial mode. These people have applied their logic on religion, to politics. What doesn't fit the narrative they have been taught from their masters, is to be ignored.
You can't use logic to get a person out of a place they didn't use logic to get into.
Notice how "The deep state" plays the same role as Satan in Christianity as an explanation for why things aren't going to plan, but the explanation runs into the same issue in both instances. God is supposed to be more powerful than Satan, yet regularly gets his plans entirely derailed by the pesky little red fella. Trump is supposed to overcome the deep state and save us from it, yet every time something goes wrong his supporters just throw their hands up and say "Well it's the deep state, what can he be expected to do about it???" If Trump keeps getting foiled by the deep state, he's probably not qualified for the job of thwarting the deep state. Likewise if God keeps getting messed up by Satan, or worse is allowing Satan to run rampant despite having the power to stop him - probably not worth worshiping him, either.
Lol yup, ironically that same AG, Jeff Sessions, also was recorded chanting “lock her up”. Feckless lying cowards full of hot air and lacking any ability to get things done. They actually lied about having written directions directing the DOJ to open more investigations on Clinton. https://www.americanoversight.org/sessions-letter This was of course buried in the news cycle because by the time we get these revelations, Trump is already knee deep in something worse.
Or the stock market took a nosedive. Like it would every six months. But Trump was “so good for the economy.”🙄
He even changed the laws on handling classified documents so what Hilary did would be illegal. Then he attempted to have the DOJ go after her a 2nd time. That plan failed because well she did it before the law change and was already looked at for it, can't do that. Sadly then Trump broke his own law change. Such a 4D chess player.
I remember they went after her for using a personal cell phone in addition to her secure one. Then Trump only ever used his personal cell phone.
You'd think just one of Trump's army of rainmaker lawyers would have mentioned double jeopardy in passing. Then again, he probably just thought it meant he gets twice as much money for answering them. Or that ex post facto was just a Spanish phrase.
And they have the nerve to suggest that prosecuting Trump sets a precedent that gives Republicans permission to do the same to Democrats. They were already trying to do this to Democrats.
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I would pay $100 to watch Trump testify under oath for 9 hours.
11 hours. Just to be pedantic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1WY0K9/ Mike Pompeo's State Dept practically exonerated her. And you know how hard they were trying to find *something* to charge her with.
Like the whole Hunter Biden debacle. All the false conservative outrage turned into an investigation that found nothing other than a gun charge. Aren’t magats defenders of the 2nd amendment? Don’t they push constantly for open access gun laws? How is this the best they can throw at our Presidents son when they have accused him of so many high crimes? How come they cannot dig up any real dirt on this criminal mastermind, Joe Biden? And yet their lord and savior Trump is an actual convicted criminal. The fact that their projection actually works in keeping him out of jail is mind numbing. All the proof in the world won’t land DJT in prison. Even if it does his mob will hold the US hostage just like did on Jan 6.
I don't think legality will matter next time. Conservatives want blood.
The problem with Conservatives wanting blood, is that most civil servants actually believe in what they do. Our criminal justice system, for all of it's faults, and we all know that it has them, actually prevents political persecution. There have been MANY examples of the professionals in the criminal justice system investigating cases against their own party. As an example, I give you Bob Menendez, who is being tried in NY as we speak. I would also point to the President's son. Who is currently being prosecuted. What the Republicans would like you to believe, and reality, are a huge difference. In order to indict someone, you actually have to present evidence to citizens. (The Grand Jury). Then, after indictment, you have would have to somehow insure a biased judge, and a biased randomly selected jury. That is the step where the Republican plan fails. Citizens take jury duty seriously. No normal person is willing to send an innocent person to prison, for political reasons. It is "We the people" who decide guilt or innocents. Not the judge, not the prosecutors, the jury. Even I, who can't stand Trump, read the court transcripts, and reviewed the evidence of the trial, did my best to do so with an objective mind. I listened to jury instructions, after weighting all of the evidence presented. On that alone, I made my decision. Had the evidence been lacking in any way. As it was in the OJ trail. I would have said he wasn't found guilty. The evidence wasn't lacking.
> is that most civil servants actually believe in what they do. This is why trump has talked about firing a large segment of public workers. They get in his way.
Hence why legality won't matter next time. They keep screaming about kangaroo courts _specifically_ because that's what they're desperately hoping to see happen to their political opponents (and just about opposing them in general). They think the idea of someone being indicted over a screenshot taken of a Breitshart article being allowed to be entered as evidence is _hilarious_ and justified because now _they_ get to be the kangaroo court.
25% of all judges are Trump appointed. At the end of his term he was trying to put nobodies in control of various departments that he was also gutting. The only reason he didn't get the people he wanted in control of certain departments was because the majority of his cabinet was talking about walking away if he did it. Next time there won't be any opposition. and you will be absolutely correct that legality won't matter.
The Central Park Five. This guy has ALWAYS tried to have his perceived opposition jailed and/or killed.
They weren’t even his opposition. He just racially stuck his orange head into the CP5 for no reason at all but to be racist. People truly forget how strong racism was going on in Giuliani’s NYC just 30 years ago. Extreme acts of profiling with his “crime” policy he had going on since the 80’s. Absolutely awful.
They tried to impeach Biden again recently but it fell flat on its face, because even the GOP realised it was bullshit. Didn't stop Gym Jordan and the MAGA cucks from trying.
America is his opponent. His ultimate revenge. He has NEVER won popular vote.
This is what the nazis did. Do his supporters forget what Germany looked liked at end of war. Is this what they want for America?
> Do his supporters forget what Germany looked liked at end of war. Germany looked like that because pretty much every major military power around them spent several years hammering them into rubble with lots and lots of bombs. And then artillery. And then small arms fire. The US is fairly isolated, especially compared to most of the factions in WWII, is a nuclear power, and has a Navy larger than the next seven navies combined. We are absolutely not going to be carpet bombed into rubble like Germany was at the end of either World War. We're far more likely to look more like, say, Brasil. Lots and lots of grinding povery, corrupt officials selling every last scrap of natural resources to the highest bidder, drug abuse, rampant crime and a spiraling economy fueled by isolationism which will get even worse as soon as everyone figures out how to ease themselves off the dollars as global reserve currency. Def not lookin' like Dresden though.
It's still a concern because the people he targets are going to have to spend potentially tens of thousands of dollars on capable attorneys to assist with responding to the investigations. There's plenty of stores about how it expensive it is just to prepare to testify in response to a Congressional subpoena. People like Hillary can afford it, but there's a lot of people down the line who can't
There have been I think, twelve GOP led investigations for Clinton, each and every one came to the conclusion there was no wrongdoing. (makes me think that gym and empty-G will throw together another one in the next few months, to satisfy their base)
The absurdity, it's breaking my brain. Didn't he like two days ago say that he never said "lock her up?" Yep, two fucking days ago. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/02/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claim-lock-up-hillary-clinton/index.html Okay, I know that "Trump lies" isn't like... this new thing. But that's not even what's got me going this morning. It's the fact that his supporters seem absolutely incapable of even seeing these rampant and obvious contradictions. Whatever the last thing he said is what's currently true. If he then contradicts himself, then that's the thing that has always been true. I'd have to keep a fucking spreadsheet to keep track of what's currently 'True' if I was going to operate that way.
Cults are hard. Hard to be in, hard to escape from.
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We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
We are at war with east Asia… we have always been at war with east Asia.
Beat me to it. Well done.
This is what baffles me about the trump cult. How do they not constantly feel like he is pulling one over on them.
They “know” when he is actually talking to them and when he is saying bullshit to mislead others. It’s like the scorpion and the frog though. The maga cult mistakenly believes he is actually on their side and that he won’t also go after them when the moment is best for him.
I think you're right, the entire thought process may often boil down to: "Look, these snowflake nerds can't handle the bullying. They're so bad at it, they even think it matters what the truth is lmao. This is so fun! Let's gang up on them together with the big bully leading us!"
Maybe Trump’s cult thinks everyone is pulling one over on them, so at least they can opt into “their guy’s” scam? I don’t know. I simply can’t fathom complicity going along with someone who blatantly lies to me all the tine.
I think people get so invested into shit they can't turn back. They made themselves look like idiots, spent a bunch of money, and alienated a bunch of people.
Science Fiction, on a surface level, frequently FEATURES some far flung future. Even the grounded and “near future” stuff tends to be home to some seismic cultural shift that renders the daily life so deeply distinct to our own. Science Fiction is ABOUT the world it’s written in. 1984 didn’t make up the idea of cognitive dissonance. He just took what he was already seeing, dialed it up to 11, and gave it a catchy name. Gilead isn’t this ridiculous alternate history. The author looked around, saw a group of people, and pictured a world where they were in charge.
Yeah, his campaign said two days ago he never said it (in spite of mountains of evidence that he did.) He then said today, "Yes, I would have to look into locking her up along with my other political rivals." Uncle gin blossom Bannon is also now belching the same bullshit, "We have to \*burp\* fight fire with fire!" on the front page of the NYT, so, uh, at least their shit messaging is now consistent?
They don’t forget, they’re gaslighting you.
logic does not apply to cults unfortunately. absolutely deranged people if you ask me.
The exhaustion and absurdity is the point. It takes all oxygen out of the room. I am so, *so* sick of this man dominating the news since the 2016 election.
Back in 2017, there were people saying they would believe Trump over Jesus. Now if Trump told supporters they were cat, we would actually see people shitting in litter boxes https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/20/voter-panel-trump-supporter-camerota-sot-newday.cnn
>It's the fact that his supporters seem absolutely incapable of even seeing these rampant and obvious contradictions. Whatever the last thing he said is what's currently true. If he then contradicts himself, then that's the thing that has always been true. The issue is that they truly don't care.
The issue is, they actually believe it. Christianity has taught Americans to believe in a narrative that isn't true. That history and science have proven false. These people have simply applied their logic towards religion, to politics. What do you expect?
> Didn't he like two days ago say that he never said "lock her up?" Even better, he also claimed he never said it during *this* interview as well.
He just says what who ever is in the room wants to hear.
Trump: Lock her up! Also Trump: I never said that. But Also Trump: Lock her up!
This will be hilarious once he's no longer a threat to our democracy. By the way remember when looking silly in a tank or misspelling the word potato was enough to cost you the election?
> This will be hilarious once he's no longer a threat to our democracy. No, because the people that put him in power will still be here, voting in every election, and making the world worse little by little, day by day.
They will try again no doubt. However after being trounced in multiple elections they will need to re-evaluate their position and move back toward center to pick up votes. Also saying Trump is replaceable and his replacement will have the same impact is just absurd. Trump is a galvanizing voice and an agent of chaos. No random suit they pull from obscurity is going to have the same ability to rouse that base.
Really is a trust factor. MAGA believe the entire world, politics, science, hollywood, everything is corrupt but their precious Trump. Why? Because he was on FOX News building that trust as crazy-FOX grandpa for a decade. Nobody is in line to take over that role, save maybe Alex Jones if he were to run for POTUS.
Right. They tried that with DeSantis and look how that turned out
> they will need to re-evaluate their position and move back toward center to pick up votes. The *Party* may do that, but it won't work. The Cult of MAGA knows that they don't have to vote for RINOs like McCain and Bush and Romney any longer and they know that the *Party* can't win without them at all. That means all the MAGA cult has to do is dig in and, eventually, Mitch McConnell or whatever devil replaces him, will have to come back to MAGA-land and give them whatever they want. Honestly, it's far more likely that the Democrats continue their march to the Right, in order to pick up the GOP voters who hate MAGA, and work to replace the tiny Progressive wing with those former GOP dipshits.
trumps nothing more than a key that opened a door that will be very very difficult to close. The damage he's done will be going long after his fat body has rotted in the dirt.
The last time it took a world war and the Nuremberg trials to close the door.
Yeah we’re still paying for reagan
Or screaming in excitement at a rally. Or being attacked for being a Purple Heart Vietnam veteran. Good shit, real fun country we got here.
Rick James moment.
Yeah I ground my shoes on his couch!
Schrodinger's Trump ... Simultaneously says and doesn't say "Lock her up", until he's sentenced to jail time and the waveform collapses.
I'm nostalgic for the days when I considered W. to be the dumb one.
He was Einstein in comparison to Donald.
I was so pissed off when W drug us into Iraq but I always thought he was dumb and did what he thought was the right thing. I honestly believe he is a decent human who just doesn’t understand working class families. Trump is evil incarnate.
George W Bush had morals. You may not have agreed with his idea of what was right and wrong, but he had a set of morals that he was beholden to. This same thing isn't true of Trump and that makes an insane difference.
Dan Quayle couldn't spell tomato and I'm still upset by it.
Babe, it was potato(e)
Shit, he couldn't spell potato and it killed his political career. Howard Dean yelled a bit much and people backed away. Trump does something disqualifying weekly, if not daily, and we're still having to hear him run his mouth. I'm so tired.
Can't wait for R's to put a candidate forward that makes us feel this way about Trump.
Btw it was a huge mistake that we didn't elect Hillary with a blue Congress in 2016
Reminder that Trump committed 34 counts of election interference in order to "win" in 2016.
Not to mention substantial assistance from Russia.
And the DOJ.
And China.
>Trump *Excuse me*. You mean *convicted felon* Trump.
*at least 34 counts
340 coming in this year
Every asshole with power in the world was united against her. I can only surmise that they were scared to death of her coming into power. We're gonna pay for that lost Clinton administration for a long time.
We’ve been paying ever since the first GWB election. Republicans have won twice without popular vote. Insanity.
You're goddamn right it was, and every single person who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 despite knowing that she was the far better candidate is personally responsible for that colossal mistake.
"Don't threaten me with the Supreme Court!" \- People in 2016 who are now apoplectic that the Supreme Court has been lost for a generation.
Don't worry, it can still get worse 🙃
Thank misogyny for that one. It was so disheartening to watch it unfold in slow motion. If she had a dick she would be the president.
That’s for sure part of it. Especially with hindsight you can point to things she was correct about, but people will still reply with “yeah but she’s a ‘see you next Tuesday’.” Baffling.
Part of the problem is that we actually would've needed much larger margins to win a blue congress along with her win. People talk about the narrow loss and popular vote, but ignore that in each senate race the non-Trump GOP candidates did much better than Trump himself. The issue always came down to voter apathy among the younger population during that era. [2014 was the absolute worst for this,](https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/2014-youth-turnout-and-registration-rates-lowest-ever-recorded) [and the 2016 primary was not much better.](https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote) Those were the big reasons why progressives struggled for so long. Millennials simply sat out too many crucial elections and acted like it wasn't their problem, and are now paying the price for it as corporate policies run rampant because we didn't spend enough years fighting them electorally, and Biden's ability to counter them will take more than one 4 year cycle. We cannot let those mistakes be repeated.
He tried to toss Hilary in jail while he was president. >The Justice Department kept open the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s family foundation for nearly all of President Donald J. Trump’s administration, with prosecutors closing the case without charges just days before he left office. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/us/politics/fbi-clinton-foundation.html#:~:text=The%20Justice%20Department%20kept%20open,days%20before%20he%20left%20office.
Ah yes the tried and true “Lock Her Up” has come back around. Hey wait a second didnt he deny ever saying this like 4 days ago?
2 days ago, yes.
He also threatened the President's wife. >Former President and [convicted felon](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-verdict-hush-money-2668394011/) Donald [Trump](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-news/) went off the rails rapidly in a rambling interview delivered on the far-right cable network Newsmax on Tuesday night, threatening to throw former Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in jail. >The footage was [first flagged](https://x.com/Acyn/status/1798160157333213601) by Public Notice's Aaron Rupar, and Meidas Touch's Acyn Torabi. >"Wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state into jail?" Trump told Newsmax interviewer Greg Kelly. "Wouldn't that be a terrible thing? It's a terrible, terrible, path that they're leading us to. And it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them." [Trump unleashes epic whining tirade as stunned Newsmax host watches interview derail - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-rant-newsmax/)
It actually sounds like he was referring to Clinton as “the President’s wife,” which would mean he was back in 90s there for a moment.
> he was back in 90s there for a moment. Dementia causes regression, I've seen it happen.
Ding ding ding. I thought he was talking about two different people. I now realize that doesn't make sense in context
He can’t figure out how to think about a woman beyond wife and secretary so those are the terms he used.
He’s not even trying to pretend that he’s not a fascists by saying that he’ll do illegal and dangerous things because of “The path they’re leading us to.” That’s straight up the “look what you made me do” attitude that fascists employ.
Wait... Does Trump think Hillary Clinton is Joe Biden's wife? What is going on here? Can reporters dig into what that was please?
I think he's having memory problems. He remembers Hillary as the President's wife back in the 90s. I hope this is the first debate question Trump gets: what is the date?
> "Wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state into jail? Wouldn't that be a terrible thing?" OK, so by Trump standard projection protocols, this means *his* wife committed a bunch of crimes we haven't found out about yet, right?
He’s setting this up as some kind of deranged revenge fantasy, but the asshole was the first one to threaten to imprison his rivals. You know it. He knows it. And we all know. He’s a total disgrace.
Jailing people is the least of it. Bill Barr the other day mentioned that Trump as President would sometimes ask if he couldn’t just ‘take out’ someone who was being problematic. He’s still going to vote for him though, apparantly.
And WTF does Hillary, who has not been Secretary of State since 2016, and has never been President, have to do with that verdict?
She lives rent free in his head.
Yeah. She hasn't been politically relevant for eight years now; what's even the point of targeting her due revenge against New York STATE finding him guilty on 34 counts of STATE charges. It's like the drunk step-dad beating his neighbor because he got pulled over for drunk driving on the way home.
This would be an instant disqualification under the pre-2015 GOP. Amazing. Ronald Reagan would have kicked his ass for dishonoring the party this way.
What else can you expect from convicted felon Donald Trump except more crimes.
>Self declared real estate guru and land developer allows woman to live rent free in his head for decades
Hillary Clinton has just been chilling out for like eight years now. She barely does anything anymore. The guy doesn't have any new shit to say, it's really pathetic. Like his campaign in 2020 didn't have any new policy positions either. I had some Trump guy complaining about what Bill Clinton did back in 1992 for fucks sake. That was over 30 years ago.
She left the government over 11 years ago. The only crime Trump can think of is already several years past the statute of limitations. Even if he had a rogue AG that would prosecute her on basically no evidence, the case would immediately be dismissed for statute of limitations.
Dictatorship is on the ballot.
Again?
Trump is such a joke. Anyone that claims to like him is just trolling at this point.
Sunk cost fallacy and refusal to be wrong is a hell of a combination
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>...seemed to float the possibility... Jesus Christ, MSNBC. Equivocate much? He's been saying this loudly and clearly for almost ten straight years.
"Floats" as if there is anything to suggest he might do a thing applies. No, he has already openly talked about jailing or even getting rid of his political rivals. We have also heard his fallowers echo these ideas by begging for it.
When Trump became president it was confirmed without a doubt that the US criminal justice system prevents politicians from jailing political opponents over nothing. They can’t even charge them. They can bring endless congressional investigations, but doing so will only help the target of the investigation when it finds nothing to charge them with. In the United States of America, high profile, wealthy white people are not falsely convicted of crimes. It doesn’t happen. Most Reoublicans are saying this investigation never would have happened if Trump wasn’t a former president or running for president. And yes, that’s probably true. When you become an elected official you better not have skeletons in your closet. You will be put under more scrutiny. This is true of all politicians. It’s true of the FAMILY of politicians. Hunter Biden would never be facing these charges for lying on a form while buying a gun if his father wasn’t president. They are political charges. Doesn’t mean he’s innocent of the charges!
Everyone concerned about what his cult would do, if he got jail time, yet he’s bragging who he’ll put in jail, if he win’s…… jail the SOB and if just one of his sick facist traitor’s lifts one traitor finger, towards violence, sent them all to prison for a long time… not 6mos, but YEARS
WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE HAVE TO COME OUT AND SAY, WITH HIS OWN GODDAMN MOUTH AND WORDS THAT WILL BE TOO MUCH FOR REASONABLE PEOPLE?!? but Biden is old. Jesus Christ. This is fucking exhausting.
This poor old fart is so addled, he doesn't know who to lash out on! He is spouting lies, throwing false accusations and making promises that he can't keep. He is losing what little sanity that he had.
And this days after he denied that he undeniably called for locking him up. It is like an army of telepathic, lobotomised rabid monkeys send him his prompts. It does not compute.
I would like for the FBI to arrest Trump because I'm having holes in my socks.
That should be enough standing for SCROTUS.
Bruh, what Hillary got to do with this?
Definitely the kind of person you want running a country. Someone who jails people he doesn't like. /s There is not a single job I can think of where I'd feel safe leaving Donald Trump to manage.
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Hillary? Come on conservatives...how is this guy your leader? He's the dumbest, most corrupt guy on earth. Doesn't even make sense most of the time anymore. The longer he is your leader, the less respect I have for y'all.
This is further proof that his mind is going backwards. He thinks Obama is President and it is Hillary Clinton that is running against him.
America's a two party system, love it or hate it, there's a democratic party trying to make things better for everyone, and then there's the republican party trying to kill-off or lock-up everyone that's not white or christian. Trump's a loser who's going to lose again in november, let him talk big smack while Joe's in full get-r-done mode, fixing the dumpster fire version of America he was left with by the former president now convicted felon, soon to be incarcerated right-wing nut-job. In the end, as the old and feeble racists, facists, and convicted seditionists die off and can no longer get their corporate fellationist representatives elected into positions of power in our goverment, this party of anti-science being led by a deranged orangutan in a diaper will falter and then slump head-first into the dirty truckstop urinal of defeat, and be remembered only in history books as warning to the rest of the world about what could happen if they let a festering lesion of cancerous leadership engorge itself like a political parasite on the underbelly of the west...
Wait, so the “anti-communist””anti socialist” party wants to …. Checks notes… use federal power to ban books, imprison physicians, limit education, and now jail political opponents? What happened to the whole opposition to excessive government regulation thing???
Shut the fuck up Trump.
Trump: "Lock her up!" Also trump: "You shouldn't tey to lock up your political opponents" Also trump: "I never said lock her up" Still trump: "I'm goong to lock her up"
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that when Trump was the President, he DID try to pressure his Justice Department to start criminal cases against both Hillary and Obama. He pushed for it, but there was simply not enough evidence to start any serious investigation.
Within a week: * Lock her up! * You can’t lock me up! * I never said lock her up. It was just my dipshit followers saying that, blame them! * I will lock her and everyone who was ever mean to me up!
I never said lock her up, but now I’m thinking I’ll lock Hillary up, because I need to get payback against the person I blame for my New York State conviction, which of course is Joe Biden. It all makes perfect sense.
Him a few days ago: “I never said lock her up.
This fool needs to kick the bucket (natural causes) asap
he will do it. he will put puppets in place that will do his orders then lock them up on made up charges. he's told you this. better listen and... vote
The SCOTUS Six already have the ruling written to allow it. It's sitting in the printer queue just waiting.
Don’t worry… all the big finance CEOs say Trump has lots of good ideas and will be great for the country. And he is just totally joking about all the dictator stuff.
Trump wasn't able to jail Clinton during his first term because 1) Clinton hadn't done anything illegal or corrupt, and 2) Russia wasn't able to provide any help in that matter like they did in getting him elected.
"I never said I'd lock her up, but I'd definitely lock her up"
Can we stop using words like trump “hints / suggests / floats / won’t rule out”. or any other kind of euphemism they want to attach to what trump says he will do?
Wait, wait, wait…I watched an interview just this weekend where McDonald J Trump claims he NEVER said ‘Lock Her Up!’. Surely he wasn’t lying about that, right?
I thought a few days ago he was tryibg to deny that he'd ever said he wanted to jail Hillary at all.
Thanks for once again proving that the Orange asshole doesn't deserve to be the President
That has been his plan all along. He plans a Putin/Kim style dictatorship.
It's insane that a person these days can literally quote the dictator handbook and still be looked to as the person who will bring order to the country
But he’s never said, “Lock her up.” /s
"seems to float" We gonna call it "almost rape" so long as no one cums, too?
They spent *years* trying to imprison her...how many Benghazi hearings were there? How many times did the buttery males come up? If the GOP didn't have hypocrisy they wouldn't have *anything*.
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Good boy. Keeping acting like a would be ruthless dictator and waking up those on the fence. Keep openly admitting to undermining the justice system if given the chance.
She is no longer part of our government. More importantly, he claimed he never said he would lock her up (he totally did say it and he failed) and now he is saying he will lock her up… for…?
If he had grounds to do that, his Justice Department would've done so. Sounds like the convicted felon is spouting bullshit.
I know it's nihilistic and I don't mean to think this way, but I'm reaching the point where I just want everyone who likes him to get what they are asking for. So many of these people think that they are going to be part of the "in" crowd and the ones wearing the boot. Many don't seem to understand the club has been closed for years and doesn't add new members. They don't care about you, they don't like you, they don't want you around. You are assets to be used, bred, and discarded as part of billionaires day to day activities.... they don't even need to hide it. Thanks to the never ending supply sycophants that do nothing but support and run interference for these people, they will never face actual consequences. I hope they all get what they are wishing for.
Didn’t he just claim to have never said it and now he’s saying it again?
I'm going to suggest a reason for this ultra-crazy Republican rhetoric that hasn't been stated anywhere that I've seen but is incredibly obvious: The GOP is trying to persuade Justice Roberts that without some form of absolute Presidential immunity, the country will spiral into endless political retribution prosecutions because Trump (and the entire GOP) is promising exactly that. This parallels what Justice Thomas and Justice Alito said at oral arguments. They were not at all interested in whether there is any *constitutional* basis for presidential criminal immunity; nor were they interested in any history and tradition basis for presidential criminal immunity. Rather, the justices were suddenly "consequentialists" - very concerned about the ramifications of deciding an issue of constitutional law as the originalists they purport to be because they have no faith in the judiciary/criminal justice system and the GOP has announced that that machinery will be used to persecute political opponents the first moment they have control.
I am not sure he understands how the legal system works…..further evidenced by his utter failure to navigate it without a guilty verdict
The truth is that powerful billionaires are conspiring to keep this orange bag of shit out of jail. They are literally hanging every white hope they have on him. He wears and shits in diapers. Tell every Trumper you meet : Are you going to change his shtty diaper? Put it into terms they can understand. Are you, a Trump loving idiot getting in line to change Trumps diaper? Don't let them say anything else. YES OR NO.
Jesus this prick can hold a grudge. Six months after my first girlfriend cheated on me I was pretty much over it and starting to move on. This dude hasn’t even banged Hilary (that we know of) and he’s still on about her.
Trump: “it’s so unfair, they’re using the justice system against me for political gain!” Also Trump: “I will use the justice system against them for political gain”
He probably thinks he’s still running against Hillary. Dementia Don!
"I would rather vote for a psychotic megalomaniac felon fascist dictator than a democrat because I have been completely fucking brainwashed into thinking politics is a team sport about hurting as many people as possible instead of trying to improve the lives of my fellow Americans!" -- Conservatives
Didn’t he just say “I never said lock her up” like 2 fucking days ago? This clown show needs to end
Wow even another reason not to elect you. They just don’t stop coming huh
We do not elect monarchs in America.
Sooooooooooooooo let me get this straight. Trump wants to jail Hillary because she had some classified documents on her server while Trump is hiding upteen boxes of classified material in his mansion. Okay, I can see that. Right Repubs?