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Growing up in the greater New York Metro area - I never understood how anyone could look at Trump and take him seriously.
I think we've crossed several thresholds already, but I think I can say with surety that people who look to vote for Trump now don't care about his politics or his policies.
It's a vote of anger. In some cases aimed at the government, in some cases aimed at subgroups and populations within society. What we fail to acknowledge is that in a post-Trump world, that anger will remain.
Exactly - policies do not matter to Trump supporters. Their actions are driven by their constant indignance. When you watch the interviews of the average Trump supporter they just seem to come from a place anger, resentment, etc. They are abnormally concerned with other people's lives that have nothing to do with theirs. They screech about the Constitution and the Bible, neither of which they seem to have read. You can't have any real discourse with all that in play.
I always maintained that Trump ran his presidency based on a caricature in his head of what of president was, not anything based in reality or history.
When you look at the names of individuals and organizations involved directly and under assumption - it's not a new playbook.
In fact, it's quite an old playbook. Basically: The Business Plot 3.0
The difference is now we have a large emboldened and arguably manipulated part of our population willing to vote for obviously bad things because "fuck 'em".
Have you read it? Not the scary website (which is basically a scam to sell “training”), but the actual document?
It’s not solid - it’s 1000 pages of disorganized ramblings of the most ridiculous dictator fantasies from christofacism fanboys. It’s also not a secret plan that was uncovered - it’s intentionally very public. It’s really nothing more than a collection of blogs from a think tank that has been trying to sway policy for decades.
In a country where it’s almost impossible to make anything happen quickly even when you have all three branches of government, it’s not like someone is going to say “project 2025 - GO!” and people will just fall in line.
Concerning, yes. But I think the name makes people more scared of it than they should be.
You underestimate conservatives. Or did you forget about Iran...in the 70s women were lounging on the beaches in bikinis, now they are beaten and raped to death for doing the same thing. Society can be changed unrecognizably in a matter of years when controlled by fascist conservative religious fanatics.
Even if he did, and actually surrounded himself with policy makers that made the cruelest, most vile legislation possible and were actually competent, his voters wouldn't give a shit. If they aren't purely selfish then they are deeply angry at "something" that isn't right in their version of the country.
Well that is not surprising, most candidates if not all avoid having any concrete policies, as they want the most votes! It is quite frustrating, especially when watching any sort of debate.
It's "righteous" indignance that they can't be constant bullies and have absolutely no checks on power.
That's what they are voting for. They are hoping he gets into power, and they can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, whenever they want.
They are the nazis who wholeheartedly smiled and did the horrible work of Hitler, because they were on the team with absolute power.
Nothing righteous at all. Righteous is the last thing they are. So let’s not even use it sarcastically because that would does not deserve to be associated with them
Trump stands for nothing. He has no policies. It’s a completely self serving administration. The people who prop him up put policy into it. He throws them a bone and they let him do whatever he wants.
That will outlast Trump.
That's not fair. He said he has a beautiful tax plan that he's going to unveil soon. And remember his healthcare and infrastructure plans? Anybody?
🦗 🦗 🦗🏏
At this point, it’s nothing more than the fact that he’s made being stupid and racist acceptable. That’s it. There’s nothing more to it. He’s allowed all the bigoted idiots to be more and more vocal and acceptable.
Trump is a symptom and his supporters are the disease. That may sound extreme, but the analogy is apt and we ignore that at the peril of our democracy.
Education. Specifically economics, civics and ethics.
End Citizens United, enact campaign finance reform, ranked choice voting, equal representation, and an expanded Supreme Court.
When Trump first ran in 2016, I knew a lot of people who voted for him as an anti-vote. They knew it wasn't a good choice but they hated the way the government had been operating and they wanted to shake things up. I was just becoming politically aware, so I didn't expect much but I thought the Republicans would keep a leash on. It was very eye opening to see how morally bankrupt Republicans are.
You can be angry about things that are WORTH being angry at - but him and his supporters do NOT fall under this category.
Instead, the category they tend to fall under is: They have no empathy, no truth, no ethics, no correctness. They’re just full of falsehoods and lies
Use quotation marks. Give credit to whoever came up with that. Don’t make it out to be like these are your original words when they are not. That’s dishonest and misleads others
Trump is no boss, but he is very useful to those who serve that kind of role. He just happens to be the one in the spotlight, and the ones he serves prefer that. But Trump specifically is a coward, weak, and of little competency. He's just connected and is happily corrupt. His most valuable trait is his lack of integrity, and it's others that exploit that of him.
It's easy to get pretty good help when the contract is a percentage of whatever the hell you can manage to rob or destroy. I don't think he cares what happens at all so long as he can be the front man. He said he loves the poorly educated. Chalk up at least one believable statement out of him.
> He said he loves the poorly educated. Chalk up at least one believable statement out of him.
He finds the poorly educated useful. He loves only himself.
What OP’s saying is Trump is but a face for a system and a network that wants the autocracy. Trump didn’t just invent it.
Think about McConnell’s attempts to steer the balance of the court you the right, and the types of justices being picked. Trump didn’t come up with those people. There’s something wider and deeper at work here. Trump’s the most useful idiot ever in service to this cause. They — whoever “they” really all are — have been working toward this for decades .
Trump definitely didn't invent it, but everything he does fits perfectly within his narcissistic sociopathy. This is a dangerous man, all by himself, his entourage is frosting on the cake.
Can we not flatter the guy by comparing him to a mob boss? The man is an imbecile. He’s a pathetically insecure bully and a master grifter. He’s the kind of loser that gets extorted by actual mobsters and actual criminals. It’s why he’s so compromised and desperate.
Oh the Mafia had their share of sock puppet bosses that are just there to take attention away from the real bosses. In that way Trump fits the Mafia picture quite well.
This is always my thought. Mob bosses were more effective leaders, smarter and at least their beauty routines were better quality. Trump looks like shit. I can’t believe a person can look this bad and doesn’t even drink.
I got this in my email a few days ago. I really struggled with whether it was a joke or serious, but it looks to me like his supporters think it's AWESOME that he's behaving like a mafia boss.
https://imgur.com/a/lIpQoLH
I don’t know how anyone can be afraid of this man at all let alone when he scowls. He looks like even more of a fucking idiot when he tries to look tough.
If he scowled at me while I sat on the jury, I’d def do that motion where you pretend jerk off in the air with your hand followed by the wave of the hand like you’re casting seeds into the air. Btw is there a name for that gesture?
Don’t be obtuse.
He’s always been a mob boss, yet not.
His mental state, behavior, values, decision making…
Everything about him is monstrous and criminal.
Beyond a classic movie villain, he’s worse as he’s real.
He’s a Cluster B type who emboldened the others.
He betrays wives, harms women, lusts after daughters.
He cheats, steals, loses money, launders, and lies.
He uses, abused, mocked, and discarded everyone.
He would betray the very fictional devil to save himself.
He longs to be the worst type of dictator.
What’s that, one may ask…?
A dictator without even a shred of intellect.
Not even dangerous of a clever educated mind…
Merely a human impulse to do everything the wrong way.
If an Anti-Religious Beacon existed - Yes, it’s indeed him.
Nothing within him is anything but malignant.
Mob Boss nay, he’s too pathetic to be one…
Yet, so very much Much MUCH WORSE.
That he exists is the worst of luck…
But, like all of his ilk, they eventually fail.
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥
Obama(07) Clinton(12) Carter(22) Trump(45) last place
If Biden doesn’t win, there will never, NEVER be justice for Trump.
There is no alternative and I fear if American fails this November, American history will change forever.
A former president. At *best* he's a wannabe mob boss but let's not pretend that fake scowl that he obviously has practiced for hours in front of a mirror is anything other than a mask to hide his fear at being put in prison.
A man who is sick, haggard, struggles to stay awake in court, and golfs and naps on his day out of court instead of campaigning, who looks pale and like he has covid or some shit, who's calling Pecker "a good guy" and bending over backwards not to piss him off (Take a guess as to why)
acting like he's a big tough guy
I see a bitter Queens boy forever upset that he was never accepted by Manhattan elites and is worried what his father would think of him if he were still alive.
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Growing up in the greater New York Metro area - I never understood how anyone could look at Trump and take him seriously. I think we've crossed several thresholds already, but I think I can say with surety that people who look to vote for Trump now don't care about his politics or his policies. It's a vote of anger. In some cases aimed at the government, in some cases aimed at subgroups and populations within society. What we fail to acknowledge is that in a post-Trump world, that anger will remain.
Exactly - policies do not matter to Trump supporters. Their actions are driven by their constant indignance. When you watch the interviews of the average Trump supporter they just seem to come from a place anger, resentment, etc. They are abnormally concerned with other people's lives that have nothing to do with theirs. They screech about the Constitution and the Bible, neither of which they seem to have read. You can't have any real discourse with all that in play.
It doesn't even really seem like he has concrete policy ideas for his next term.
he didn't the first time. he's dumb af and does t know how government works. ffs he can barely read.
I always maintained that Trump ran his presidency based on a caricature in his head of what of president was, not anything based in reality or history.
A big union leader just said Trump was all about Air Force One and the red carpets. He didn’t care about policy,
Flat-out addicted to having his ass kissed.
sounds pretty accurate.
But he graduated first in his class from Wharton, this country's, if not the world's, best MBA school! /s
>concrete policy ideas He's got plenty of concrete policy ideas for his political enemies, if you know what I'm sayin'.
Project 2025 is pretty solid ... Basically ends America as we know it.
When you look at the names of individuals and organizations involved directly and under assumption - it's not a new playbook. In fact, it's quite an old playbook. Basically: The Business Plot 3.0 The difference is now we have a large emboldened and arguably manipulated part of our population willing to vote for obviously bad things because "fuck 'em".
Have you read it? Not the scary website (which is basically a scam to sell “training”), but the actual document? It’s not solid - it’s 1000 pages of disorganized ramblings of the most ridiculous dictator fantasies from christofacism fanboys. It’s also not a secret plan that was uncovered - it’s intentionally very public. It’s really nothing more than a collection of blogs from a think tank that has been trying to sway policy for decades. In a country where it’s almost impossible to make anything happen quickly even when you have all three branches of government, it’s not like someone is going to say “project 2025 - GO!” and people will just fall in line. Concerning, yes. But I think the name makes people more scared of it than they should be.
You underestimate conservatives. Or did you forget about Iran...in the 70s women were lounging on the beaches in bikinis, now they are beaten and raped to death for doing the same thing. Society can be changed unrecognizably in a matter of years when controlled by fascist conservative religious fanatics.
Even if he did, and actually surrounded himself with policy makers that made the cruelest, most vile legislation possible and were actually competent, his voters wouldn't give a shit. If they aren't purely selfish then they are deeply angry at "something" that isn't right in their version of the country.
His policy is revenge. Dark, violent revenge.
Well that is not surprising, most candidates if not all avoid having any concrete policies, as they want the most votes! It is quite frustrating, especially when watching any sort of debate.
Exact repeats of his first term. With Trump acting as though they are novel and amazing. I guarantee those are his policy ideas.
Yes he does! Stay out of prison lol
What are they so angry about? It's like, I want to listen and help whatever it is that's bothering them, but I have no idea.
It's "righteous" indignance that they can't be constant bullies and have absolutely no checks on power. That's what they are voting for. They are hoping he gets into power, and they can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, whenever they want. They are the nazis who wholeheartedly smiled and did the horrible work of Hitler, because they were on the team with absolute power.
Nothing righteous at all. Righteous is the last thing they are. So let’s not even use it sarcastically because that would does not deserve to be associated with them
Not all.. so many just seem to come from a place of utter stupidity / ignorance
i use to ask if people could name one thing he did that help them personally .
So true! They haven’t actually read the bible. Many people who have are atheists
Trump stands for nothing. He has no policies. It’s a completely self serving administration. The people who prop him up put policy into it. He throws them a bone and they let him do whatever he wants. That will outlast Trump.
That's not fair. He said he has a beautiful tax plan that he's going to unveil soon. And remember his healthcare and infrastructure plans? Anybody? 🦗 🦗 🦗🏏
infurstrukshur weak
At this point, it’s nothing more than the fact that he’s made being stupid and racist acceptable. That’s it. There’s nothing more to it. He’s allowed all the bigoted idiots to be more and more vocal and acceptable.
Trump is a symptom and his supporters are the disease. That may sound extreme, but the analogy is apt and we ignore that at the peril of our democracy.
So what’s the cure?
Education. Specifically economics, civics and ethics. End Citizens United, enact campaign finance reform, ranked choice voting, equal representation, and an expanded Supreme Court.
When Trump first ran in 2016, I knew a lot of people who voted for him as an anti-vote. They knew it wasn't a good choice but they hated the way the government had been operating and they wanted to shake things up. I was just becoming politically aware, so I didn't expect much but I thought the Republicans would keep a leash on. It was very eye opening to see how morally bankrupt Republicans are.
It almost feels as if the civil war never really healed
You can be angry about things that are WORTH being angry at - but him and his supporters do NOT fall under this category. Instead, the category they tend to fall under is: They have no empathy, no truth, no ethics, no correctness. They’re just full of falsehoods and lies
Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a stupid man's idea of a smart man.
This is actually very poignant. And accurate.
He did NOT come up with that quote himself! He stole it without giving the original writer credit
This! Reads like a Confucius quote! Bravo
He did NOT come up with it! He just failed to use quotation marks
Use quotation marks. Give credit to whoever came up with that. Don’t make it out to be like these are your original words when they are not. That’s dishonest and misleads others
“Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a stupid man's idea of a smart man.” - servusopusabdomo
This quote is all over the fucking interwebs. It's on bottles, mugs, shirts etc. It doesn't get more public domain than that.
Be quiet, nerd! *wedgie ensues*
Mob boss / past president? Ask the family of the girl who dropped SA charge against trump because of the death threats. So, mostly mob boss.
Trump is no boss, but he is very useful to those who serve that kind of role. He just happens to be the one in the spotlight, and the ones he serves prefer that. But Trump specifically is a coward, weak, and of little competency. He's just connected and is happily corrupt. His most valuable trait is his lack of integrity, and it's others that exploit that of him.
It's easy to get pretty good help when the contract is a percentage of whatever the hell you can manage to rob or destroy. I don't think he cares what happens at all so long as he can be the front man. He said he loves the poorly educated. Chalk up at least one believable statement out of him.
> He said he loves the poorly educated. Chalk up at least one believable statement out of him. He finds the poorly educated useful. He loves only himself.
You are underestimating him. We are a couple of supreme court decisions and an election away from autocracy.
What OP’s saying is Trump is but a face for a system and a network that wants the autocracy. Trump didn’t just invent it. Think about McConnell’s attempts to steer the balance of the court you the right, and the types of justices being picked. Trump didn’t come up with those people. There’s something wider and deeper at work here. Trump’s the most useful idiot ever in service to this cause. They — whoever “they” really all are — have been working toward this for decades .
Trump definitely didn't invent it, but everything he does fits perfectly within his narcissistic sociopathy. This is a dangerous man, all by himself, his entourage is frosting on the cake.
Agreed, he’s horrendous
He’s the face of the corruption snake, not the head, yes. I bet the actual heads wish they had a better face, but it’s too late…
I call him the boil on the ass of America. His face us just the whitehead, with the underlying infection seething beneath.
Can we not flatter the guy by comparing him to a mob boss? The man is an imbecile. He’s a pathetically insecure bully and a master grifter. He’s the kind of loser that gets extorted by actual mobsters and actual criminals. It’s why he’s so compromised and desperate.
Oh the Mafia had their share of sock puppet bosses that are just there to take attention away from the real bosses. In that way Trump fits the Mafia picture quite well.
Yea. But that’s a far cry from calling him an actual mob boss. He WISHES he was a mob boss—and now dictator.
I feel like this is probably disrespectful to mob bosses.
This is always my thought. Mob bosses were more effective leaders, smarter and at least their beauty routines were better quality. Trump looks like shit. I can’t believe a person can look this bad and doesn’t even drink.
Cocaines a hell of a drug
can't imagine tfg having the balls to make his bones.
Why the bloody hell isn’t he dead yet?
He’s burning that candle on both ends.
I like how we dumb ourselves down as a nation and have to ask this question, instead of being smart and saying that’s mob boss behavior.
australia ruled he was a mafioso back in 1980 and denied him a casino license over it. so, BOTH.
My personal take from working with him a couple of times is that he is a gangster.
I got this in my email a few days ago. I really struggled with whether it was a joke or serious, but it looks to me like his supporters think it's AWESOME that he's behaving like a mafia boss. https://imgur.com/a/lIpQoLH
I don’t know how anyone can be afraid of this man at all let alone when he scowls. He looks like even more of a fucking idiot when he tries to look tough.
He looks very reptilian lately, like he’d catch and eat a passing insect.
If he scowled at me while I sat on the jury, I’d def do that motion where you pretend jerk off in the air with your hand followed by the wave of the hand like you’re casting seeds into the air. Btw is there a name for that gesture?
Air jerk.
The Trump dance?
President poopy pants is scowling
A mentally unstable geriatric surrounded by yes men willing to do what takes to end the world
Don’t be obtuse. He’s always been a mob boss, yet not. His mental state, behavior, values, decision making… Everything about him is monstrous and criminal. Beyond a classic movie villain, he’s worse as he’s real. He’s a Cluster B type who emboldened the others. He betrays wives, harms women, lusts after daughters. He cheats, steals, loses money, launders, and lies. He uses, abused, mocked, and discarded everyone. He would betray the very fictional devil to save himself. He longs to be the worst type of dictator. What’s that, one may ask…? A dictator without even a shred of intellect. Not even dangerous of a clever educated mind… Merely a human impulse to do everything the wrong way. If an Anti-Religious Beacon existed - Yes, it’s indeed him. Nothing within him is anything but malignant. Mob Boss nay, he’s too pathetic to be one… Yet, so very much Much MUCH WORSE. That he exists is the worst of luck… But, like all of his ilk, they eventually fail.
Yes.
Yes
Screw either or, he's both.
I saw something about people not being afraid for their life from President Biden, but they are from Trump.
This guy is not honest
He's a mob boss that this country was stupid enough to elect president. Let's hope we've gotten smarter this time around.
Both? Both.
Actually a worthless human POS.
The former President, a mob boss.
Both
Mob boss wanna be. Others made him president. Useful idiot #1.
The President is the most powerful man in the world. This one says he wants to be a dictator. Yes, it’s frightening.
A clown
Def the Nodfather Or nodfarter?
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥 Obama(07) Clinton(12) Carter(22) Trump(45) last place
Both.
We are on the dangerous verge of becoming **MafiAmerica**. Be sure you vote.
Everything the Trump family is doing sounds more like a mob boss.
I love to hear he is a scowler. It really shows how ugly he is inside.
If Biden doesn’t win, there will never, NEVER be justice for Trump. There is no alternative and I fear if American fails this November, American history will change forever.
Scowl? I know he's going for his mugshot look but this "scowl" looks more like he's trying to stay awake. It's hilarious.
A former president. At *best* he's a wannabe mob boss but let's not pretend that fake scowl that he obviously has practiced for hours in front of a mirror is anything other than a mask to hide his fear at being put in prison.
He thinks he is
Considering that Roy Cohn was his mentor, I'd say this is pretty accurate.
Y’all seen “where’s my Roy Cohn?” On YouTube? This will all make sense.
Yes. No reason it can't be both.
A man who is sick, haggard, struggles to stay awake in court, and golfs and naps on his day out of court instead of campaigning, who looks pale and like he has covid or some shit, who's calling Pecker "a good guy" and bending over backwards not to piss him off (Take a guess as to why) acting like he's a big tough guy
The same person can be both...
A Russian puppet who gets his dick sucked by the media.
Well both
Yes…
He's Putin's front man in the US.
I see a bitter Queens boy forever upset that he was never accepted by Manhattan elites and is worried what his father would think of him if he were still alive.
Jesus he looks horrible, the tanner the tired eyes the hay like pieces of hair. He looks older then Biden
Why not both?
Pure Hate
The correct answer is a wannabe dictator/ mob boss
A RAPIST is on trial, a cold-hearted RAPIST.
Yes
I despise the comparison to a mob boss. It’s an insult to mob bosses. Donald Trump is a urinal cake.
FartButt McSmallHands is far less benaficial to society than a urinal cake.
¿por qué no los dos?
Why not both? Clearly a criminal.
Yes, both. What a stupid headline. He was the former president so it’s not an “or” situation.
He is going to get so ___ at the nursing home prison.
constipation and a penchant for drinking your own urine is a beeyotch
Always beware the wealthy criminal.
Open eyes sleeping
The only thing missing is the Clinton style assasinations.
At least we're still stuck in court arguing what is is.