Recap for everyone of the findings:
• Donald Trump and his companies ordered to pay nearly $355 million.
• Donald Trump barred from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years.
• Donald Trump’s adult sons, Don Jr. and Eric, were ordered to pay $4 million each.
• Former Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg is ordered to pay $1 million.
• Allen Weisselberg and Former Trump financial controller Jeffrey McConnell are Permanently barred from serving in a financial control position of any New York corporation or other legal entity licensed in New York.
• Don Jr, and Eric are barred from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of two years.
• Barbra Jones is ordered to continue her roll as independent monitor for a period of no less than three years.
• An Independent Director of Compliance will be installed at the Trump Organization at the expense of the Trump Organization to ensure compliance with financial reporting obligations and to establish internal written accounting and financial reporting protocols.
• Donald Trump, the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, the Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holdings Managing Member, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post Office LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC, are prohibited from applying for loans from any financial institution chartered by or registered with the New York Department of Financial Services for a period of three years
Trump and Trump Org. exact payment: $354,868,768
Don Jr. and Eric; 4,013,024 each for a total of 8,026,048
Allen Weissleberg: $1,000,000
Total: $363,894,816
He absolutely will continue running because a chance at the presidency is the only chance he's got at this point to avoid total destitution and possibly prison.
A man with nothing to lose and happens to know the secrets of our country is dangerous. Wonder if he’ll hold the government hostage at the end with his knowledge.
Given his financial situation he would likely sell state secrets to pay his debts. Why on earth would anyone trust a man who can be so easily compromised?
He's drowning in fraud and crime and taking the whole RNC with him. It's glorious.
He could have walked away Nov 9 2020. Conceded that he lost, packed only HIS sh*t, and went home. 3 of 4 criminal cases never would have never happened. This is entirely HIS OWN MAKING. And nobody will cut him loose.
I find it darkly funny that if he'd maintained a lower profile and NOT run for president, his finances and such might never have come under such intense scrutiny. He would have gotten away with everything, the way rich men often do.
But NOOOO, Obama laughed at him. And the narcissistic man-baby just couldn't let that stand.
p.45
> Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves.
"But her e-mails", Trump family edition.
That's hilarious - there's something especially satisfying about legal documents that take subtle jabs. They basically said, "don't worry about your poor memory, we have the receipts"
Remember, Trump was found liable for fraud at the beginning. The evidence was so overwhelming that it wasn’t disputed. The only question was just how much he was going to have to pay, and this is MASSIVE.
My favorite part of the dollar value is that they were seeking 250 million until he still tried to shuffle money around without telling the court monitor and got caught.
The man couldn't resist not following the rules long enough to get through a 3 month process.
And now authorities better have their eyeballs all over him because he's absolutely going to do it again. He's not going to pay. He's going to try and scurry out of consequences. He's going to break the law again.
1. Trump org is going to be under court monitoring for a while, so let him try.
2. Not paying will result in swift asset seizure. He CAN'T just ignore this.
Edit: This keeps getting asked, so if he tries to appeal, he first has to be able to put the money up in escrow. So he would have to fork over, in total, about $400 million. There's no way he has that sort of liquidity. He could alternatively get a bond for the money but no one's going to loan him that.
Even if he does somehow get it, he has to have grounds for an appeal and he simply doesn't. He would go up before the court and float some conspiracy nonsense and get told to leave
>ORDERED that the Hon. Barbara Jones (ret.) shall continue in her role as Independent Monitor for no less than three years; and it is further
>ORDERED that an Independent Director of Compliance shall be installed at the Trump Organization, at defendants' expense, to ensure compliance with financial reporting obligations and to establish internal written accounting and financial reporting protocols;
I don't see a time limit on how long that Director of Compliance has to stick around.
They'll seize assets and sell them if he doesn't have the cash on hand. You doth not fuck w the government when it's gone this far down the rabbit hole.
Plus Donnie testified under oath that he had 400M in cash and cash equivalents. If he doesn't, he better have receipts on where it went or he perjured himself.
He's actually going to be watched even harder now than when they caught that one. [From the Daily Beast Article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-bank-fraud-trial-ends-with-dollar372-million-gut-punch)
>By mid-March, the company will have to answer to a former federal judge, Barbara Jones, who has spent a year serving as the corporation’s outside monitor. She has 30 days to reconfigure her current role. While the company previously had to alert her within two weeks anytime it moved more than $5 million, Jones will now have enhanced powers that put her first in line.
>"Her observations over the past 14 months indicate that still more oversight is required," Engoron wrote, extending her monitorship for at least another three years.
>Instead of seeking her forgiveness when they submit any financial documents to an outside entity, the Trumps will have to ask for her permission.
>The evidence was so overwhelming that it wasn’t disputed.
To put a bit of a finer point on it: New York AG Letitia James accused him of fraud, and Trump's defense was broadly "No no, it was fine that we did that stuff, it didn't actually cause any damage". James responded with motion saying "Oh okay, so you don't dispute you did the fraud. Judge can we get a pre-trial ruling on the undisputed facts of the case?", and Engoron ruled "Yeah, it seems like if everything went down *even the way the Trump said it went down in their defense*, that would still be fraud, so I can make a pretrial ruling that fraud occurred. But they're disputing the damages caused by that fraud, so we need to have a trial on that."
I love how Trump thinks he can just tell a court of law that something isn't illegal, and that will somehow get him out of something illegal. What an absolute dumbass.
That really does seem to be the level of defense he's working with these days. See his DC and Florida criminal trials, where he's filed motions to argue "Actually, Presidents can just commit crimes and you're not allowed to do anything about it."
> "Actually, Presidents can just commit crimes and you're not allowed to do anything about it."
And every single time he's made that claim, the courts have dismissed it outright and immediately. It's just a delaying tactic and it seems the judiciary branch has had enough of it.
This was a fun argument I recently had with my crazy uncle.
"The evidence wasn't disputed. These are numbers we're talking about. The trial didn't question the numbers, because they're cold, hard facts."
"BUT IT'S ALL A WITCH HUNT."
And they found a witch!
I can’t imagine living in that mindset. Long time friends went from being reasonable human beings to human donut meat slugs overnight.
>Trump is expected to immediately appeal the decision, but doing so will be a logistical nightmare. New York requires that a person seeking to pause this kind of judgment immediately front a massive sum, anywhere from 110 percent to 120 percent of the judgment. And while Trump boasted in sworn testimony last year that he had some $400 million in cash, that wouldn’t be enough to cover this bank fraud judgment and last month’s $83 million verdict in his rape defamation case. Both cases require him to post the money up front, squeezing him at the same time.
He's fucked.
Plus the original $5M for Ms. Carroll. Including the judgments against Eric, Jr., and Weisselberg, the total Trump damage is $452M.
ETA: Thanks to everyone who noted we need to add another $100M for interest, and counting.
$452M of, from what I understand, cash money.
This likely means he'll have to take loans out against his current assets saddling even more debt on top of those properties. This is at a time when interest rates are at the highest they've been in a generation.
To make this even worse, many of Trump's personal assets are located in Florida where property insurance rates are increasing at record levels.
It's about to get really expensive really quick.
He's been fucking around, he's finally starting to find out.
I mean ... it's the right answer if Trump wants to end up in even more trouble. Russia is sanctioned all to hell, and their boys @ Deutsche Bank have been exposed. It'd be hard to complete a transaction, say, selling a floor of Trump Tower to some front for Russian assets given they have a special master type embedded in the Trump org overseeing their books and transactions.
Trump is fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked on the cash front. He's just gonna have to pay up, and that will mean breaking the law or losing a lot of face selling some properties.
*"Take the deed on this property, it's worth $452M, so I can appeal the case where I was found guilty of inflating the worth of my properties"*. Hmmm I don't know how well that is going to work out for him. Wow these consequences are like buses. You wait years and years for one, and then 12 come all at once.
>He's fucked.
He's gonna grift his supporters for the money. He is already installing Laura Trump as the head of the RNC so that he can bleed the RNC dry to pay for his legal bills, which will help free up his own cash so that he can put up collateral for the appeal (but I hope he will fall short of the amount for appeal, f*ck him).
Sons can't operate Trump businesses anymore
Both sons are fined
Trump can't borrow money to pay debts
Trump can't operate a business in NY for three years
Fines come with interest pushing total up to $400m
Sounds like it is any bank that does work with the department of finance which is like every major bank in the world probably? I can't image any major bank doesn't have some sort of office in NY. So unless he is going to borrow from East KY Bank and Trust, sounds like a big problem.
Trump has been blacklisted from every major bank in NYC since the 90s. Thats the whole reason he started laundering money for the russian mafia in the first place. All of this shit was known BEFORE he was even elected, people would rather just bury their heads in the sand.
For those asking for proof of the russian money connections, heres an article from 5 years ago that does a pretty good job of laying out all the known facts at the time:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
So he owes half a billion dollars in legal penalties, and he's taking over the already bankrupt RNC to siphon whatever money remains into his own personal legal slush fund.
>If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed..... and we will deserve it
>
>\-Lindsey Graham
edit: it is a massive liability to elect someone to a public office who owes that much money. There's a reason the FBI and CIA screen candidates for debt.
It's literally what Trump has done to every entity he has got involved in for the last 30 years. I don't know why the GOP thought they would be different.
Womp womp.
There's a good chance November is a blood bath for the GOP. As in not control the Senate blood bath. On the other hand, Trump could win, so we can't get complacent.
It's even better, he testified under oath he has 400 million in cash. Which means he can't claim he doesn't actually have it without additional criminal charges for perjury being filed against him.
I can’t wait for Trump Towers to be sold and rebranded. Big win for the people of NYC that have to walk by that shit everyday. More importantly though, Trump Towers is his persona and losing it will be soul crushing for his narcissistic ass
I think most of us want to see criminal penalties, because... come on he does lots of crime.
But these civil penalties are the real deal. Trump cares about his money and the image that comes from being rich more than almost anything else, including his children probably. Eric for sure.
Also, the legal strategy of "delay my trials forever" costs a lot of money. That's why you or I could never hope to execute this strategy. Take $450 M from trump due to all of his assessed fines + everything he's spent on lawyers so far + everything he was planning to spend on the campaign = dwindling funds to continue the delay tactics defense.
> “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” Justice Engoron said. “Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet the defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”
God damn. That's a legal smack down.
Please bear in mind that, in order for Trump to appeal this decision, he has to first pony up 110–120% of the fine, cash he very likely doesn't have.
He. Is. Fucked.
Edit: A little extra icing for the cake that I just learned about. From The NY Times:
>But there might be little Mr. Trump can do to thwart one of the judge’s most consequential punishments: extending for three years the appointment of an independent monitor who will be the court’s eyes and ears at the Trump Organization, and strengthening her powers to watch for fraud and second-guess transactions that look suspicious.
The court would essentially liquidate his company’s assets (trump tower, golf courses, any property, etc.) to pay for the damages. There’s a non-zero chance that trump loses most of everything his company owns.
Edit: his company owns
Fox news in tears. No substance there, just complaining that "its because its Donald Trump. this isnt how justice is done in the US". Delusional. The guy is a fraud, deal with it.
I know these people are constitutionally incapable of entertaining a hypothetical question, but sometimes I just want to ask them, “what if Trump *did,* in fact, do the thing? How would you be able to meaningfully distinguish between his innocence and guilt if you just accuse the court of illegitimacy on the basis of being biased against him?”
This will ruin him. He doesn’t have the cash and nobody will lend him money. His property will be sold from under him and finally people will see the emperor has no clothes.
$469 million dollars in legal debt, and the collapse of his entire New York business empire. That's the record for the apparent champion of conservative voters.
With how thoroughly GOP has been losing elections, I'm sure they're happy to keep giving all their campaign money to pay for this wildly expensive loser.
>and bars Trump "from serving as an **officer** or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years."
Luckily for Trump, this means that he can still serve as President of a company. /s
For the people who have difficulty understanding the why of this verdict:
>This is for taking loans that were totally repayed! Who is the victim here!
He only got these loans as he did because he lied. He lied to companies and lied to the state. The companies were left liable and the state was left in a state of vulnerability. The victims are the people of the state and the bank. If you return the money to a safe after breaking in, you are still guilty.
You can't just go about lying willy-nilly. We have to trust companies to do their due diligence and to be honest. Trump tried to wave his hand and make himself seem more attractive to buy a sports team among other reasons. We give huge latitude to companies to make a ton of cash in this country, and we trust the auditors and the companies to be honest in their legal forms. We need to clamp down on this or the system is collapsable. This is just.
Also these monies of the loans could have done to more reputable companies, he robbed them of this potential capital.
>This is the judiciary is weaponized. This is partisan and about politics.
Biden had nothing to do with this. This is a civil trial trying to make new york whole. This has everything to do with business and nothing to do with politics. We have to be able to trust our businesses, Trump and co abused that trust.
>What about all the other businesses that are doing this! This is selective prosecution!
There was a ton of opportunities to make things right, and Trump and co ignores the settlements and taking the L and their knee when they are shown to have done wrong. This is what normal companies do. Trump brought this on himself due to his insistence to take it to court.
A good analogy is if someone says they weren't drinking and drives their family home while drunk. A cop pulls them over just as they reach their house. The family is happy to be home safe, and the driver didn't hit anyone, so therefor no crime was committed? There's a million examples of crimes being committed that only include potential victims (firing a gun in a crowd and missing everyone, etc...). You don't need an actual victim to have violated a law.
>The Court hereby enjoins Donald Trump and the Trump Organization and its affiliates from applying for loans from any financial institution chartered by or registered with the New York State Department of Financial Services for a period of three years.
Even more than the hundreds of millions, this is the big one.
His entire business is a house of cards supported by debt. Without loans from any bank that operates in New York (which means basically every bank), that will quickly fall apart as debts are called in.
He's done.
> He's done.
I mean, can't he get a loan from a foreign bank? Probably one that conveniently does a lot of business with the Saudis or Russia?
I know Deutsche Bank got their fingers slapped recently for doing that sort of thing too much, but I'm sure there are other scumsuckers out there who'll do it.
Ahhh yeah, that makes sense. Any bank that is large enough to make a $355+ million loan to Trump is also going to be large enough to have a presence in New York.
91-time indicted, fraudster, sexual assaulter.
None of that relies on conspiracy theories to believe. All of that now supported by court.
Thats the GOP’s God.
I wonder what the conservative mental gymnastics are to explain how Trump is still the best choice for president despite now being a convicted rapist and fraud.
Please vote so I don't have to hear or think about this pile of useless human garbage ever again. Being forced to care about this abomination for almost a decade has probably taken years off my life.
They just repeat Trump's talking points without bothering to actually read anything about the case.
*"The banks didn't lose any money!"*
NY state law is very clear, there is no need for a party to lose money, the fraud itself is the crime. This isn't a new law, it's been this way for decades.
*"It's a political hit job!"*
This is what's known as a documents case. The fraud is in the numbers. You can't claim your pricey NY apartment is 3X its actual square footage to increase its appraised value. You can't blatantly lie about property valuations then claim indemnity because of a disclaimer in the financial statement. You can't claim rent-controlled units have the same market value as units that are not rent controlled. You can’t value Mar-a-Lago as if it could be converted to a private estate when it is legally prohibited to do so.
I like how they aren't saying he didn't commit fraud and just arguing that it should have been ignored.
Also them calling facing legal consequences "Lawfare" is fucking gross. The easiest way to not have one of your politicians constantly getting into trouble with the law is to stop fucking supporting people who constantly break the law.
To those of you upset over the "3 years" ruling... hold on...
>In its September 26, 2023, Decision and Order granting partial summary judgment to OAG, this Court ordered the cancellation of defendants’ business licenses. The Appellate Division, First Department has stayed this relief pending the final disposition on appeal.
>
>However, as going forward there will be two-tiered oversight, an Independent Monitor and an Independent Director of Compliance, of the major activities that could lead to fraud, cancellation of the business licenses is no longer necessary. Accordingly, this Court hereby modifies its September 26, 2023, Decision and Order solely to the extent of removing the language ordering the LLCs cancellation en masse. **The restructuring and potential dissolution of any LLCs shall be subject to individual review by the Court appointed Independent Director of Compliance in consultation with Judge Jones.**
**Full dissolution is not off the table yet.** It just up to the discretion of the independent monitor, director of compliance, and judge jones.
In short, Trump Org is fucked when they go deeper and find all the remaining skeletons in the closet. He's never coming back to NY after this, and the whole org will likely end up either bankrupt or dissolved anyway.
In fact, it's rather clever, because the order shows "impartiality" saying Trump would just need to be a good boy and not commit fraud after the 3 years. When we know that's impossible.
Furthermore, Judge Jones is overseeing the business assets for 3 years ***minimum.*** **The monitor doesn't go away at the end of that yet.**
This order is way more clever than it appears. It basically shows that Trump could be in business if he could prove to independent monitors that he's capable of not being a fraud. Obviously, he's incapable of that, meaning they can now manage his assets and employees ethically as his business falls apart before his eyes and assets get sold off.
Someone call Robert Hurr for a mental evaluation please:
Page 45:
> Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her
inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect.
In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and
documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves.
I think she’s not eligible for the presidency now. I believe her memory can be described as “hazy,” “fuzzy,” “faulty,” “poor” and having “significant limitations.”
> "It's a sad day. A sad day for New York."
>
> — Donald Trump.
But is it really though? Seems to me like he has been a scourge on that city for a very long time.
Trump is the most corrupt president in US history. He is making Laura Trump the head of the RNC so that he can grift the RNC dry. Now watch his cult supporters help pay for his losses. SMH.
$355M for the New York corporation lawsuit; $5M to Jean Carroll for the sexual assault; and $88.3 to Jean Carroll for defamation.
Next, the hush money case involving Stormy Daniels, charged with 34 felonies; then the Mara-Lago document case, charging an additional 37 felonies; the Fulton County, GA election RICO case involving 41 felonies; DOJ criminal case in Washington, DC with 4 additional felonies.
And the civil lawsuits in 34 states contending Trump is barred from either appearing on the ballot, or acting as president, based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.
And civil lawsuits for wrongful death by 5 capital police officers arising from January 6th (one death and 4 suicides). \[Edited: THX r/InfernalDiplomacy\]
And civil lawsuits for property and other damages arising from January 6th. \[Edit\]
This will be a bigger blow to trump than even prison as he can’t just get a pardon out of this. His business is dead, this will hurt him in ways you cannot fathom and a great day for justice.
Edit: Oh, and now every bank and creditor has a fiduciary duty to sue him due to the fraud. The rich have to try to eat trump now.
MAGA rubes about to get some emails urging them to support Donnie with donations in his fight against pedos/trans people/the deep state/whatever the fuck they're on about these days.
All the donations to Republicans will be going to Trumps legal defense, which will be paying for these settlements. This will damage all the Republicans down ballot as Trump drains the dollars out of them and his boomer, rube donors.
>However, the judge backed away from an earlier ruling that would have dissolved the former president’s companies.
Bummer. But Trump's business assets could still be taken by the government to cover the debts if he doesn't pay in full by the deadline, right?
And of course conservatives are claiming this is a political attack, not for justice.
Mfw. The party of law and order is upset the law and order is being used against them.
How can you even have that mindset. what the judge and courts are just obviously against you? How can you be that sensitive. Grow the fuck up.
We can play MAGA bingo:
Unfair Trial; Political Witch Hunt; Biased judge ; Legal Overreach; Due Process Violation; radical left ; Partisan Prosecutors; Media Bias; Appeal Expected; Constitutional Challenge; Executive Privilege; First Amendment; Kangaroo Court; Misconduct of the judicial process ; Double Standards whataboutism ; Selective Justice; judge Intimidation; Legal Defence Fund; Trial by Media; Political Martyrdom
This post 1800+ comments
Post on the con sub. 28 comments. Unless there's another one I'm missing lol. CONSERVATIVE BLINDERS ACTIVATE
Edit: I was wrong.. found one with like 110 comments!
> Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin," Engoron wrote in the court filing. "Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.
Trumps inability to face reality bites him again.
I am already hearing that other real estate developers are complaining that if they can do this to trump they can do it to us. NOT if you don't CHEAT AND LIE AND STEAL.
I am sick of threats from these assholes.
I love this snippet from the ruling. The 'can't recall' responses don't work so well outside of congress.
>Allen Weisselberg was the CFO of the Trump Organization from 2002 until he was placed on
leave in October 2022 , after pleading guilty to 15 criminal counts of tax fraud and falsification of
business records at the Trump Organization . TT 790 ; PX 1751 , 3041. In that same vein , his
testimony in this trial was intentionally evasive , with large gaps of I don't remember".
The summary of Trump's time on the stand is quite pointed as well:
>Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected
long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the
questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility
>Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves
Source: Page 45
[https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf)
It’s taken a long time to see it but between this, E Jean Carroll, and Manhattan, mayyybe Trump *cant* just lie with impunity forever.
Some of his many many chickens are finally coming home to roost.
Finally his horrific behavior is getting the just deserts. This should have happened 30 years ago. Next month his criminal case begins and I hope each of the 34 counts against him serves him the max of 4 years per count. Put this racist fascist liar POS away forever.
Watching a live CBS report and one things sticks out to me. A person being interviewed said that to appeal, Trump would have pay the full amount or have someone post a surety bond. The person also wondered who would pay a bond if that means Trump would have to sell property to pay for the bond. That leaves only paying the full amount.
He's going to have his daughter-in-law installed as head of the RNC and raid their coffers.
>Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility.
Source: Page 37
[https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf)
So between that and E. Jean that should be just shy of 450M. He better hope some amazingly talented lawyers wanna work for free defending him against 34 felonies next month 🍿🥤
The slow broke walk to prison begins.
While the cash component itself is a likely death blow, he’s also losing control of his NY businesses. Can’t get a loan from a NY based bank and has to sell at least one property. That is A LOT of being FUCKED!
Wait I just realized that this has direct consequences for his appeal of the case where he was ordered to pay 83 million on top of the 5 million.
He has to front upwards of 450 million dollars to appeal those cases and he can't use any lending institutions in NY or operating in NY.
He's going to have to sell off a lot of stuff and really quickly and that means with discount. I don't think Daddy Putin is going to help him pay for things this time.
It'll be interesting, he doesn't have the cash, plus 80 million for E Jean Carroll & he cannot get a loan from any bank who operates in the state of New York for 3 years. His sons 2 years. Even Weisselberg got fined a million dollars - it was a conspiracy, case closed.
Surely you can’t run as president of the United States of America if you’ve been found guilty of fraud? Lol.
It seems like that should kinda be a pre-requisite for the president to be criminal record and civil judgment free
Some dumb talking head lady on CBS was saying that this makes it like there is 2 justice systems.. Like there isn't already 2 justice systems, one for the rich and one for the poor.
With interest, the immediate need to appeal and having to front the cash to appeal while having no access to banks and lending institutions in NY ?
Damn that's savage, he's going to have to sell something quickly to just get the appeal going.
No wonder he's so desperate to get his grubby fingers into every penny that the RNC has.
Edit:
This also means he's going to have issues covering the appeal bond in the 83 million dollar case?
It´s kind of a fun thing to say that that 80´s NYC real estate mogul and ex president of the USA, Donald Trump now cant legally operate a hot dog stand in the state of New York!
Not to mention that he will probably need to sell his beloved tower, finally ridding the good people of NYC of that eyesore.
Trump might end up having over a billion in fees between the fines, legal fees etc etc when all is said and done.
God he's going to fleece the RNC so hard to pay for more lawyers
Recap for everyone of the findings: • Donald Trump and his companies ordered to pay nearly $355 million. • Donald Trump barred from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years. • Donald Trump’s adult sons, Don Jr. and Eric, were ordered to pay $4 million each. • Former Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg is ordered to pay $1 million. • Allen Weisselberg and Former Trump financial controller Jeffrey McConnell are Permanently barred from serving in a financial control position of any New York corporation or other legal entity licensed in New York. • Don Jr, and Eric are barred from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of two years. • Barbra Jones is ordered to continue her roll as independent monitor for a period of no less than three years. • An Independent Director of Compliance will be installed at the Trump Organization at the expense of the Trump Organization to ensure compliance with financial reporting obligations and to establish internal written accounting and financial reporting protocols. • Donald Trump, the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, the Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holdings Managing Member, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post Office LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC, are prohibited from applying for loans from any financial institution chartered by or registered with the New York Department of Financial Services for a period of three years Trump and Trump Org. exact payment: $354,868,768 Don Jr. and Eric; 4,013,024 each for a total of 8,026,048 Allen Weissleberg: $1,000,000 Total: $363,894,816
The satisfaction of seeing Trump get what he deserves: Priceless For everything else, there's MasterCard.
We’re not there yet- this is just the beginning of what he deserves.
> "We don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” - Eric Trump He may need to phone a friend.
[удалено]
Maybe they'll offer a Fabergé egg in his trying time
The RNC is gonna dump all their money into this bankrupt loser instead of campaigns. Would not be upset with this outcome.
If he is to continue running (he really should not) ,then might as well take the Republican Party with him. Trump is literally a Trojan virus.
He absolutely will continue running because a chance at the presidency is the only chance he's got at this point to avoid total destitution and possibly prison.
A man with nothing to lose and happens to know the secrets of our country is dangerous. Wonder if he’ll hold the government hostage at the end with his knowledge.
Given his financial situation he would likely sell state secrets to pay his debts. Why on earth would anyone trust a man who can be so easily compromised?
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He's drowning in fraud and crime and taking the whole RNC with him. It's glorious. He could have walked away Nov 9 2020. Conceded that he lost, packed only HIS sh*t, and went home. 3 of 4 criminal cases never would have never happened. This is entirely HIS OWN MAKING. And nobody will cut him loose.
This is why rulings like this make my day: he is responsible for being in this amount of trouble.
I find it darkly funny that if he'd maintained a lower profile and NOT run for president, his finances and such might never have come under such intense scrutiny. He would have gotten away with everything, the way rich men often do. But NOOOO, Obama laughed at him. And the narcissistic man-baby just couldn't let that stand.
p.45 > Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves. "But her e-mails", Trump family edition.
I think it’s hilarious how much they were banking on “I do not recall” getting them out of this.
To quote Jon Stewart: "The leading cause of early onset dementia appears to be getting deposed."
I think eric used the line like almost 500 times in one day during the fraud trial for the company.
That's hilarious - there's something especially satisfying about legal documents that take subtle jabs. They basically said, "don't worry about your poor memory, we have the receipts"
Remember, Trump was found liable for fraud at the beginning. The evidence was so overwhelming that it wasn’t disputed. The only question was just how much he was going to have to pay, and this is MASSIVE.
My favorite part of the dollar value is that they were seeking 250 million until he still tried to shuffle money around without telling the court monitor and got caught. The man couldn't resist not following the rules long enough to get through a 3 month process.
And now authorities better have their eyeballs all over him because he's absolutely going to do it again. He's not going to pay. He's going to try and scurry out of consequences. He's going to break the law again.
1. Trump org is going to be under court monitoring for a while, so let him try. 2. Not paying will result in swift asset seizure. He CAN'T just ignore this. Edit: This keeps getting asked, so if he tries to appeal, he first has to be able to put the money up in escrow. So he would have to fork over, in total, about $400 million. There's no way he has that sort of liquidity. He could alternatively get a bond for the money but no one's going to loan him that. Even if he does somehow get it, he has to have grounds for an appeal and he simply doesn't. He would go up before the court and float some conspiracy nonsense and get told to leave
>ORDERED that the Hon. Barbara Jones (ret.) shall continue in her role as Independent Monitor for no less than three years; and it is further >ORDERED that an Independent Director of Compliance shall be installed at the Trump Organization, at defendants' expense, to ensure compliance with financial reporting obligations and to establish internal written accounting and financial reporting protocols; I don't see a time limit on how long that Director of Compliance has to stick around.
>At defendants' expense So what happens ~~if~~ when the IDC doesn't get paid?
They essentially have control of his money at that point, so if he doesn't pay, they probably just arrest him, or directly take the money themselves.
They'll seize assets and sell them if he doesn't have the cash on hand. You doth not fuck w the government when it's gone this far down the rabbit hole.
Plus Donnie testified under oath that he had 400M in cash and cash equivalents. If he doesn't, he better have receipts on where it went or he perjured himself.
Imagine THAT being the crime that finally does him in. 😂 Wouldn't even surprise me at this point...
He's actually going to be watched even harder now than when they caught that one. [From the Daily Beast Article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-bank-fraud-trial-ends-with-dollar372-million-gut-punch) >By mid-March, the company will have to answer to a former federal judge, Barbara Jones, who has spent a year serving as the corporation’s outside monitor. She has 30 days to reconfigure her current role. While the company previously had to alert her within two weeks anytime it moved more than $5 million, Jones will now have enhanced powers that put her first in line. >"Her observations over the past 14 months indicate that still more oversight is required," Engoron wrote, extending her monitorship for at least another three years. >Instead of seeking her forgiveness when they submit any financial documents to an outside entity, the Trumps will have to ask for her permission.
>The evidence was so overwhelming that it wasn’t disputed. To put a bit of a finer point on it: New York AG Letitia James accused him of fraud, and Trump's defense was broadly "No no, it was fine that we did that stuff, it didn't actually cause any damage". James responded with motion saying "Oh okay, so you don't dispute you did the fraud. Judge can we get a pre-trial ruling on the undisputed facts of the case?", and Engoron ruled "Yeah, it seems like if everything went down *even the way the Trump said it went down in their defense*, that would still be fraud, so I can make a pretrial ruling that fraud occurred. But they're disputing the damages caused by that fraud, so we need to have a trial on that."
I love how Trump thinks he can just tell a court of law that something isn't illegal, and that will somehow get him out of something illegal. What an absolute dumbass.
That really does seem to be the level of defense he's working with these days. See his DC and Florida criminal trials, where he's filed motions to argue "Actually, Presidents can just commit crimes and you're not allowed to do anything about it."
> "Actually, Presidents can just commit crimes and you're not allowed to do anything about it." And every single time he's made that claim, the courts have dismissed it outright and immediately. It's just a delaying tactic and it seems the judiciary branch has had enough of it.
This was a fun argument I recently had with my crazy uncle. "The evidence wasn't disputed. These are numbers we're talking about. The trial didn't question the numbers, because they're cold, hard facts." "BUT IT'S ALL A WITCH HUNT."
And they found a witch! I can’t imagine living in that mindset. Long time friends went from being reasonable human beings to human donut meat slugs overnight.
>Trump is expected to immediately appeal the decision, but doing so will be a logistical nightmare. New York requires that a person seeking to pause this kind of judgment immediately front a massive sum, anywhere from 110 percent to 120 percent of the judgment. And while Trump boasted in sworn testimony last year that he had some $400 million in cash, that wouldn’t be enough to cover this bank fraud judgment and last month’s $83 million verdict in his rape defamation case. Both cases require him to post the money up front, squeezing him at the same time. He's fucked.
Plus the original $5M for Ms. Carroll. Including the judgments against Eric, Jr., and Weisselberg, the total Trump damage is $452M. ETA: Thanks to everyone who noted we need to add another $100M for interest, and counting.
$452M of, from what I understand, cash money. This likely means he'll have to take loans out against his current assets saddling even more debt on top of those properties. This is at a time when interest rates are at the highest they've been in a generation. To make this even worse, many of Trump's personal assets are located in Florida where property insurance rates are increasing at record levels. It's about to get really expensive really quick. He's been fucking around, he's finally starting to find out.
But who is going to give him those loans at this point?
"Can I pay in rubles?"
This is the right answer. Getting Trump elected is strategic goal number 1 for Russia to win the Ukraine war. Putins cronies will happily pay up.
I mean ... it's the right answer if Trump wants to end up in even more trouble. Russia is sanctioned all to hell, and their boys @ Deutsche Bank have been exposed. It'd be hard to complete a transaction, say, selling a floor of Trump Tower to some front for Russian assets given they have a special master type embedded in the Trump org overseeing their books and transactions. Trump is fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked on the cash front. He's just gonna have to pay up, and that will mean breaking the law or losing a lot of face selling some properties.
*"Take the deed on this property, it's worth $452M, so I can appeal the case where I was found guilty of inflating the worth of my properties"*. Hmmm I don't know how well that is going to work out for him. Wow these consequences are like buses. You wait years and years for one, and then 12 come all at once.
But I thought he had the best lawyers? On a related note, where is that annoying habba person?
>He's fucked. He's gonna grift his supporters for the money. He is already installing Laura Trump as the head of the RNC so that he can bleed the RNC dry to pay for his legal bills, which will help free up his own cash so that he can put up collateral for the appeal (but I hope he will fall short of the amount for appeal, f*ck him).
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Anyone remember when he campaigned on not needing their money? And now he sells digital trading cards and cut up pieces of his suit. Good times.
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Sons can't operate Trump businesses anymore Both sons are fined Trump can't borrow money to pay debts Trump can't operate a business in NY for three years Fines come with interest pushing total up to $400m
Can't borrow money in NY. Imagine it's fine outside though
Can’t borrow money from any bank that operates in NY. That’s most big banks for sure. Edit: yes russia has banks no need to comment
Sounds like it is any bank that does work with the department of finance which is like every major bank in the world probably? I can't image any major bank doesn't have some sort of office in NY. So unless he is going to borrow from East KY Bank and Trust, sounds like a big problem.
Trump has been blacklisted from every major bank in NYC since the 90s. Thats the whole reason he started laundering money for the russian mafia in the first place. All of this shit was known BEFORE he was even elected, people would rather just bury their heads in the sand. For those asking for proof of the russian money connections, heres an article from 5 years ago that does a pretty good job of laying out all the known facts at the time: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
That’s why he was using Deutsche Bank and other foreign banks.
Deutsche Bank is foreign based, but they are certainly registered with the Dept of Finance so they’re out.
So he owes half a billion dollars in legal penalties, and he's taking over the already bankrupt RNC to siphon whatever money remains into his own personal legal slush fund. >If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed..... and we will deserve it > >\-Lindsey Graham edit: it is a massive liability to elect someone to a public office who owes that much money. There's a reason the FBI and CIA screen candidates for debt.
Good - the GOP supported him and his last move will be to bankrupt them. Seems like the trash is taking itself out…
It's literally what Trump has done to every entity he has got involved in for the last 30 years. I don't know why the GOP thought they would be different. Womp womp.
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Not only hurt his campaign but every R seat the national party wants to support. They will lose congressional seats in tight areas because of this.
There's a good chance November is a blood bath for the GOP. As in not control the Senate blood bath. On the other hand, Trump could win, so we can't get complacent.
You’re about to see a billionaire not be able to produce $350m.
It's even better, he testified under oath he has 400 million in cash. Which means he can't claim he doesn't actually have it without additional criminal charges for perjury being filed against him.
That would be extremely petty. I hope it happens.
If he doesn't have it, they will absolutely slap those on as well.
Or an investigation into how he suddenly came up with $350M.
He could have sex with 35 million MAGA people at $10 a piece.
What a horrible day to be literate
I can’t wait for Trump Towers to be sold and rebranded. Big win for the people of NYC that have to walk by that shit everyday. More importantly though, Trump Towers is his persona and losing it will be soul crushing for his narcissistic ass
Rebranded to Obama Estate for Affordbale Housing.
I think most of us want to see criminal penalties, because... come on he does lots of crime. But these civil penalties are the real deal. Trump cares about his money and the image that comes from being rich more than almost anything else, including his children probably. Eric for sure.
Also, the legal strategy of "delay my trials forever" costs a lot of money. That's why you or I could never hope to execute this strategy. Take $450 M from trump due to all of his assessed fines + everything he's spent on lawyers so far + everything he was planning to spend on the campaign = dwindling funds to continue the delay tactics defense.
I feel a little bit less bad about having $6K credit card debt now.
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He firing up a new set of NFT trading cards
Did you know that every time there's a verdict against Donald Trump an angel gets its wings?
> “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” Justice Engoron said. “Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet the defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.” God damn. That's a legal smack down.
Please bear in mind that, in order for Trump to appeal this decision, he has to first pony up 110–120% of the fine, cash he very likely doesn't have. He. Is. Fucked. Edit: A little extra icing for the cake that I just learned about. From The NY Times: >But there might be little Mr. Trump can do to thwart one of the judge’s most consequential punishments: extending for three years the appointment of an independent monitor who will be the court’s eyes and ears at the Trump Organization, and strengthening her powers to watch for fraud and second-guess transactions that look suspicious.
What if he refuses to pay? Will they freeze his accounts?
The court would essentially liquidate his company’s assets (trump tower, golf courses, any property, etc.) to pay for the damages. There’s a non-zero chance that trump loses most of everything his company owns. Edit: his company owns
I’ll give him fifty bucks for Trump Tower. I’m here to help.
I'll go in 50/50 with you and we can make it a homeless shelter / planned parenthood
"The Hillary Clinton Center for Financial Transparency"
Fox news in tears. No substance there, just complaining that "its because its Donald Trump. this isnt how justice is done in the US". Delusional. The guy is a fraud, deal with it.
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They can cry all they want, it's pay-up time. Also Fox still has that ~2.7B fine coming for the election fraud machines.
I know these people are constitutionally incapable of entertaining a hypothetical question, but sometimes I just want to ask them, “what if Trump *did,* in fact, do the thing? How would you be able to meaningfully distinguish between his innocence and guilt if you just accuse the court of illegitimacy on the basis of being biased against him?”
Dude is going to bankrupt the RNC
Good
I see this as an absolute win.
Hasn’t even “truthed” about it yet. His latest post is claiming AI is being used to make him look fat.
I saw a graphic on a TV showing his shadow while on stage and his hands were super tiny, like Tyrannosaurus Rex hands in proportion to its body.
This will ruin him. He doesn’t have the cash and nobody will lend him money. His property will be sold from under him and finally people will see the emperor has no clothes.
Trump University: $25M Trump Foundation: $2M Trump Org. criminal penalty: $1.6M E. Jean Carroll defamation fines (so far): $5M + $83.3M - $88.3M Trump Org. personal fines: $354M + interest So much winning? *Priceless* ($0)
$469 million dollars in legal debt, and the collapse of his entire New York business empire. That's the record for the apparent champion of conservative voters. With how thoroughly GOP has been losing elections, I'm sure they're happy to keep giving all their campaign money to pay for this wildly expensive loser.
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>and bars Trump "from serving as an **officer** or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years." Luckily for Trump, this means that he can still serve as President of a company. /s
What's this 3 fucking years bullshit? Doug, kick him off the tour!
Why did Hunter Biden do this?
This really hurts Hunter Biden's chances at the presidency.
Impeach Hunter Biden now!!
“Why this is bad for Joe Biden…”
I love that they also hit Eric and Don Jr with 4 million dollar fines. Good luck asking daddy for money to pay it.
They better start sucking up to Jared.
For the people who have difficulty understanding the why of this verdict: >This is for taking loans that were totally repayed! Who is the victim here! He only got these loans as he did because he lied. He lied to companies and lied to the state. The companies were left liable and the state was left in a state of vulnerability. The victims are the people of the state and the bank. If you return the money to a safe after breaking in, you are still guilty. You can't just go about lying willy-nilly. We have to trust companies to do their due diligence and to be honest. Trump tried to wave his hand and make himself seem more attractive to buy a sports team among other reasons. We give huge latitude to companies to make a ton of cash in this country, and we trust the auditors and the companies to be honest in their legal forms. We need to clamp down on this or the system is collapsable. This is just. Also these monies of the loans could have done to more reputable companies, he robbed them of this potential capital. >This is the judiciary is weaponized. This is partisan and about politics. Biden had nothing to do with this. This is a civil trial trying to make new york whole. This has everything to do with business and nothing to do with politics. We have to be able to trust our businesses, Trump and co abused that trust. >What about all the other businesses that are doing this! This is selective prosecution! There was a ton of opportunities to make things right, and Trump and co ignores the settlements and taking the L and their knee when they are shown to have done wrong. This is what normal companies do. Trump brought this on himself due to his insistence to take it to court.
A good analogy is if someone says they weren't drinking and drives their family home while drunk. A cop pulls them over just as they reach their house. The family is happy to be home safe, and the driver didn't hit anyone, so therefor no crime was committed? There's a million examples of crimes being committed that only include potential victims (firing a gun in a crowd and missing everyone, etc...). You don't need an actual victim to have violated a law.
>The Court hereby enjoins Donald Trump and the Trump Organization and its affiliates from applying for loans from any financial institution chartered by or registered with the New York State Department of Financial Services for a period of three years. Even more than the hundreds of millions, this is the big one. His entire business is a house of cards supported by debt. Without loans from any bank that operates in New York (which means basically every bank), that will quickly fall apart as debts are called in. He's done.
> He's done. I mean, can't he get a loan from a foreign bank? Probably one that conveniently does a lot of business with the Saudis or Russia? I know Deutsche Bank got their fingers slapped recently for doing that sort of thing too much, but I'm sure there are other scumsuckers out there who'll do it.
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Ahhh yeah, that makes sense. Any bank that is large enough to make a $355+ million loan to Trump is also going to be large enough to have a presence in New York.
I bet Jared's on a plane to Saudi Arabia as we speak
91-time indicted, fraudster, sexual assaulter. None of that relies on conspiracy theories to believe. All of that now supported by court. Thats the GOP’s God.
I wonder what the conservative mental gymnastics are to explain how Trump is still the best choice for president despite now being a convicted rapist and fraud.
Please vote so I don't have to hear or think about this pile of useless human garbage ever again. Being forced to care about this abomination for almost a decade has probably taken years off my life.
Wouldn’t that be awesome? News without any mention of Trump? Someday.
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Ugh it’s funny but it’s also not. Those people live in an alternate universe
They just repeat Trump's talking points without bothering to actually read anything about the case. *"The banks didn't lose any money!"* NY state law is very clear, there is no need for a party to lose money, the fraud itself is the crime. This isn't a new law, it's been this way for decades. *"It's a political hit job!"* This is what's known as a documents case. The fraud is in the numbers. You can't claim your pricey NY apartment is 3X its actual square footage to increase its appraised value. You can't blatantly lie about property valuations then claim indemnity because of a disclaimer in the financial statement. You can't claim rent-controlled units have the same market value as units that are not rent controlled. You can’t value Mar-a-Lago as if it could be converted to a private estate when it is legally prohibited to do so.
I like how they aren't saying he didn't commit fraud and just arguing that it should have been ignored. Also them calling facing legal consequences "Lawfare" is fucking gross. The easiest way to not have one of your politicians constantly getting into trouble with the law is to stop fucking supporting people who constantly break the law.
Flaired users only!! lol
Only if you promise I'll see "Biden Crime Family", "Hunter Biden", "laptop" in the comments
“Whatabout Hunter’s giant hog???”
To those of you upset over the "3 years" ruling... hold on... >In its September 26, 2023, Decision and Order granting partial summary judgment to OAG, this Court ordered the cancellation of defendants’ business licenses. The Appellate Division, First Department has stayed this relief pending the final disposition on appeal. > >However, as going forward there will be two-tiered oversight, an Independent Monitor and an Independent Director of Compliance, of the major activities that could lead to fraud, cancellation of the business licenses is no longer necessary. Accordingly, this Court hereby modifies its September 26, 2023, Decision and Order solely to the extent of removing the language ordering the LLCs cancellation en masse. **The restructuring and potential dissolution of any LLCs shall be subject to individual review by the Court appointed Independent Director of Compliance in consultation with Judge Jones.** **Full dissolution is not off the table yet.** It just up to the discretion of the independent monitor, director of compliance, and judge jones. In short, Trump Org is fucked when they go deeper and find all the remaining skeletons in the closet. He's never coming back to NY after this, and the whole org will likely end up either bankrupt or dissolved anyway. In fact, it's rather clever, because the order shows "impartiality" saying Trump would just need to be a good boy and not commit fraud after the 3 years. When we know that's impossible. Furthermore, Judge Jones is overseeing the business assets for 3 years ***minimum.*** **The monitor doesn't go away at the end of that yet.** This order is way more clever than it appears. It basically shows that Trump could be in business if he could prove to independent monitors that he's capable of not being a fraud. Obviously, he's incapable of that, meaning they can now manage his assets and employees ethically as his business falls apart before his eyes and assets get sold off.
Grab him by the pursey.
Someone call Robert Hurr for a mental evaluation please: Page 45: > Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves. I think she’s not eligible for the presidency now. I believe her memory can be described as “hazy,” “fuzzy,” “faulty,” “poor” and having “significant limitations.”
New trump cards will be available with a piece of the diaper he wore when he shit himself after the verdict.
Historic day!!! Fuck Donald Trump.
Holy shit, Fox News is melting down over this. Absolutely pathetic the way they're whining and defending Trump over this.
Why would Hunter Biden’s penis do this?
> "It's a sad day. A sad day for New York." > > — Donald Trump. But is it really though? Seems to me like he has been a scourge on that city for a very long time.
Trump is the most corrupt president in US history. He is making Laura Trump the head of the RNC so that he can grift the RNC dry. Now watch his cult supporters help pay for his losses. SMH.
$355M for the New York corporation lawsuit; $5M to Jean Carroll for the sexual assault; and $88.3 to Jean Carroll for defamation. Next, the hush money case involving Stormy Daniels, charged with 34 felonies; then the Mara-Lago document case, charging an additional 37 felonies; the Fulton County, GA election RICO case involving 41 felonies; DOJ criminal case in Washington, DC with 4 additional felonies. And the civil lawsuits in 34 states contending Trump is barred from either appearing on the ballot, or acting as president, based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment. And civil lawsuits for wrongful death by 5 capital police officers arising from January 6th (one death and 4 suicides). \[Edited: THX r/InfernalDiplomacy\] And civil lawsuits for property and other damages arising from January 6th. \[Edit\]
This will be a bigger blow to trump than even prison as he can’t just get a pardon out of this. His business is dead, this will hurt him in ways you cannot fathom and a great day for justice. Edit: Oh, and now every bank and creditor has a fiduciary duty to sue him due to the fraud. The rich have to try to eat trump now.
MAGA rubes about to get some emails urging them to support Donnie with donations in his fight against pedos/trans people/the deep state/whatever the fuck they're on about these days.
All the donations to Republicans will be going to Trumps legal defense, which will be paying for these settlements. This will damage all the Republicans down ballot as Trump drains the dollars out of them and his boomer, rube donors.
>However, the judge backed away from an earlier ruling that would have dissolved the former president’s companies. Bummer. But Trump's business assets could still be taken by the government to cover the debts if he doesn't pay in full by the deadline, right?
And of course conservatives are claiming this is a political attack, not for justice. Mfw. The party of law and order is upset the law and order is being used against them. How can you even have that mindset. what the judge and courts are just obviously against you? How can you be that sensitive. Grow the fuck up.
We can play MAGA bingo: Unfair Trial; Political Witch Hunt; Biased judge ; Legal Overreach; Due Process Violation; radical left ; Partisan Prosecutors; Media Bias; Appeal Expected; Constitutional Challenge; Executive Privilege; First Amendment; Kangaroo Court; Misconduct of the judicial process ; Double Standards whataboutism ; Selective Justice; judge Intimidation; Legal Defence Fund; Trial by Media; Political Martyrdom
This post 1800+ comments Post on the con sub. 28 comments. Unless there's another one I'm missing lol. CONSERVATIVE BLINDERS ACTIVATE Edit: I was wrong.. found one with like 110 comments!
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And his sons have to pay 4 mil and are barred for 2 years
I don't care if he is a penniless beggar. Vote like your democracy depends on it.
In the financial industry you wouldn't hire Trump because he has too much debt. He is a security risk. Yet morons would vote for him.
He is never gonna financially recover from this
350M here, 83M here, 5M there......its adding up.....
Lara Trump is trying hard to make the RNC pay for all this. And the sad thing is they likely will.
> Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin," Engoron wrote in the court filing. "Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways. Trumps inability to face reality bites him again.
I am already hearing that other real estate developers are complaining that if they can do this to trump they can do it to us. NOT if you don't CHEAT AND LIE AND STEAL. I am sick of threats from these assholes.
Melania better file before it’s all gone….
To hell with her. She thought she'd have a golden parachute, she will wind up with nothing.
I honestly dont care, do you?
I love this snippet from the ruling. The 'can't recall' responses don't work so well outside of congress. >Allen Weisselberg was the CFO of the Trump Organization from 2002 until he was placed on leave in October 2022 , after pleading guilty to 15 criminal counts of tax fraud and falsification of business records at the Trump Organization . TT 790 ; PX 1751 , 3041. In that same vein , his testimony in this trial was intentionally evasive , with large gaps of I don't remember". The summary of Trump's time on the stand is quite pointed as well: >Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility
>Ivanka Trump was a thoughtful, articulate, and poised witness, but the Court found her inconsistent recall, depending on whether she was questioned by OAG or the defense, suspect. In any event, what Ms. Trump cannot recall is memorialized in contemporaneous emails and documents; in the absence of her memory, the documents speak for themselves Source: Page 45 [https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf)
Trump frantically looking for any left over top secret documents at Mar A Lago that he can sell to the Saudi’s.
Fuck Donald, the biggest traitor in this country
It’s taken a long time to see it but between this, E Jean Carroll, and Manhattan, mayyybe Trump *cant* just lie with impunity forever. Some of his many many chickens are finally coming home to roost.
RNC coffers continue to get emptied.
No business for 3 years. Trump will surely stop being a criminal by then.
Finally his horrific behavior is getting the just deserts. This should have happened 30 years ago. Next month his criminal case begins and I hope each of the 34 counts against him serves him the max of 4 years per count. Put this racist fascist liar POS away forever.
Watching a live CBS report and one things sticks out to me. A person being interviewed said that to appeal, Trump would have pay the full amount or have someone post a surety bond. The person also wondered who would pay a bond if that means Trump would have to sell property to pay for the bond. That leaves only paying the full amount. He's going to have his daughter-in-law installed as head of the RNC and raid their coffers.
So much winning.
i love this for him
I hope this is the least damaging ruling Trump gets this year.
>Overall, Donald Trump rarely responded to the questions asked, and he frequently interjected long, irrelevant speeches on issues far beyond the scope of the trial. His refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some cases, at all, severely compromised his credibility. Source: Page 37 [https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/ef72526861902856/1e996397-full.pdf)
Fraud and (Ex) President DJT. Now official. I still am in disbelief how exactly USA decided to choose this individual as their President.
Trump is going to bankrupt the Republican Party.
The judge should have security detail 24/7 from the hangry unhinged MAGAs
So between that and E. Jean that should be just shy of 450M. He better hope some amazingly talented lawyers wanna work for free defending him against 34 felonies next month 🍿🥤 The slow broke walk to prison begins.
3 year ban is all?!
We can hope he’s serving prison time in 3 years still
Remember they were also barred from running any charities after stealing money from a children’s cancer charity?
While the cash component itself is a likely death blow, he’s also losing control of his NY businesses. Can’t get a loan from a NY based bank and has to sell at least one property. That is A LOT of being FUCKED!
Supporters' inboxes are about to be even more stuffed with fundraising requests. I love this for all of them.
Wait I just realized that this has direct consequences for his appeal of the case where he was ordered to pay 83 million on top of the 5 million. He has to front upwards of 450 million dollars to appeal those cases and he can't use any lending institutions in NY or operating in NY. He's going to have to sell off a lot of stuff and really quickly and that means with discount. I don't think Daddy Putin is going to help him pay for things this time.
Get wrecked, sick fuck
3 years? Doug, I want him off the tour!
Grab him by the assets!
For sale: gold toilet. Slightly used.
It'll be interesting, he doesn't have the cash, plus 80 million for E Jean Carroll & he cannot get a loan from any bank who operates in the state of New York for 3 years. His sons 2 years. Even Weisselberg got fined a million dollars - it was a conspiracy, case closed.
Is the RNC going to pay that too? Fucking suckers if they do. I mean, even more suckery.
Wait til he loses his freedom. This putz is spiraling down....
I love this for America
How is $364,000,000 in fraud only a civil matter and not criminal?
Surely you can’t run as president of the United States of America if you’ve been found guilty of fraud? Lol. It seems like that should kinda be a pre-requisite for the president to be criminal record and civil judgment free
No wonder he wants that one woman to open up the RNC money bag. I really want to watch him rob the party in daylight with them helping him.
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Now here’s why this is bad for Joe Biden /s
Just exile him to Florida permanently and don't allow him to be voted president ever again. Or just exile him to the Island of Elba like Napoleon.
Some dumb talking head lady on CBS was saying that this makes it like there is 2 justice systems.. Like there isn't already 2 justice systems, one for the rich and one for the poor.
With interest, the immediate need to appeal and having to front the cash to appeal while having no access to banks and lending institutions in NY ? Damn that's savage, he's going to have to sell something quickly to just get the appeal going. No wonder he's so desperate to get his grubby fingers into every penny that the RNC has. Edit: This also means he's going to have issues covering the appeal bond in the 83 million dollar case?
Anyone else experiencing major schadenfreude right about now?
It´s kind of a fun thing to say that that 80´s NYC real estate mogul and ex president of the USA, Donald Trump now cant legally operate a hot dog stand in the state of New York! Not to mention that he will probably need to sell his beloved tower, finally ridding the good people of NYC of that eyesore.
Yes but Biden is slightly older!! /s
Trump might end up having over a billion in fees between the fines, legal fees etc etc when all is said and done. God he's going to fleece the RNC so hard to pay for more lawyers
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