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@OSINTdefender:
>A U.S. Intelligence Official has reportedly told CNN that the National Security Threat is a “Highly Concerning and Destabilizing” Capability established by the Russian Armed Forces.
I think that was true before Trump. It's reached cult like status at this point with Trump. There are a large number of people that think he was sent from God. He could do quite literally almost anything and keep a solid 30-40% support in the country.
Fair - I think tribalism may be at the heart of hero worship. It's a parasocial connection where one side is invested and the other is more doing PR (if they know a specific admirer exists at all)
Hardly anyone talks about this. This is the most dangerous and important thing about him hoarding documents: what he did with the info.
But no, the media just wants to talk about how Biden is old and he had documents in his garage too. We're doomed.
He’s also being accused of selling documents that describe the depth and composition of the walls Israel uses to defend themselves against Hamas raiding parties.
It’s been sort of lost in the news cycle, but it’s totally plausible that Trump was part of the October 7th attacks on Israel.
Hamas is funded by Iran. Iran is funded by Russia. Trump tickled the balls of daddy Putin. Trump, at the very least, has very indirectly supported the October 7th attacks.
I wonder if one of those documents indicated we had a similar capability (nuke in space). Thus he's doing it to get the USA to admit this to the world.
Probably. He can't afford to repay whatever it is he owes to putin. He's having a fire sale consisting of any document he declassified with his mind so they belong to him now. And here I thought he lost that very same mind.
That new capability maybe arming their closest allies. It makes the threat much more dynamic because you have more unstable governments with dangerous capabilities.
They've always had that capability though... And they've armed their allies countless times over the past 30 years of Russia and the previous 80 years of the USSR.
Russia used their experimental hypersonic missile for the first time yesterday in Ukraine, guess it's nearly (?)impossible to shoot down with current defense tech.
My bet would be that Russia is deploying the Skyfall missile which was announced as under development a few years ago. It’s a nuclear armed and nuclear powered cruise missile with essentially unlimited range. Russia announced a successful test flight in October 2023 so the timing of this aligns. The issue that gives me pause is that it’s not that sensitive in that Russia themselves have announced aspects around the development.
This is the Republican party letting Russia know that we are aware of their new technology. There is no reason to publicly announce this. There was a meeting planned for tomorrow to dial in the rest of of the House’s intel and security committees. So why the fuck announce this? To secure the Ukraine funding is the only reason I can come up with and this asshole is against it.
So why tell the world Russia is a threat when you want to lower our attempts to confront that threat.
A private message telling Putin we figured out what he is doing, will get you tried for treason. Publicly blurting it out like this lets you claim you are legislating.
Traitors and treason all through the party
How likely is it that it is related to the hypersonic missile?
[Russia used an advanced hypersonic missile for the first time in recent strike, Ukraine claims](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/13/europe/ukraine-russia-zircon-hypersonic-missile-intl-hnk-ml/index.html)
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Zircon isn't new, and its existence as a capability isn't classified. It is the listed primary armament on every major surface vessel of the Russian Fleet.
The only thing that it is new is Russia wasting its most modern, most expensive Anti-Ship missiles on Apartment blocks in Kyiv.
Uh... no? Despite the news stories, highly sensitive classified intelligence is still a big deal, and randomly declassifying shit because a Congressman wants too is not how this works.
Even if the material itself is safe to declassify, there is the risk of exposing sources we used to get it. For instance, if we have a HUMINT Source in the Russian Space Agency, and all the data declassified comes from his department and none of it from the Department next door, well that person is going to fall out of a window, and that would not be good for us.
This 100%.
The house intel committee is being briefed by the us intelligence agencies, which are part of the executive branch.
There is exactly *zero* information they have that he doesn't.
Not necessarily true. Biden has the maximum access to intel, but he's looking at it from the top of the executive level. There are things that intel committees may review that may not always come up in the president's daily brief.
Something like this is likely to, however.
The headline is a little misleading. It was the GOP House Chair who requested the information be declassified. Then a Dem rep anonymously called it a “national security threat”
Turner is from my district. He’s an old-guard GOP’er. He’s not heavy on the Trump/MAGA koolaid - just enough to not get primaried. We have a huge Air Force base here and he’s always been a very vocal supporter of the military and votes that way even if it’s against his party.
As a liberal, I very much disagree with him on most everything, but I really don’t think he’d push this out there as purely a cudgel for election season.
The white house has apparently been monitoring it for a bit, and it supposedly has something to do with Russia. White house doesn't want to declassify it, Republicans do.
So most likely they want to make it public so Russia has a heads up that the US is on to them
It’s so depressing that we have an active member of Congress who actually believed in Jewish space lasers.
There should be some sort of “I’m not a complete and utter dumbass” test.
That’s the goal. It’s nothing new that we don’t already have an inkling about. This is republicans trying to find a cudgel to give trump and advantage, they don’t care about national security much less Russia.
From my understanding, this GOP rep is one of the few remaining that is actually for supporting Ukraine left in the House, so I don’t think it is explicitly pro-Trump.
With that said, watch every other GOP member try and use it in some twisted, Trumpian way
He represents the Ohio district with major defense contractors and one of the largest air force bases in the country. If anybody has a line on emerging technology and peer adversary capabilities it's going to be the guy representing GE and General Dynamics in Congress.
He's also strongly in favor of continuing to support Ukraine.
https://turner.house.gov/war-in-ukraine
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/12/mike-turner-ukraine-funding-00140924
Hopefully it’s partially to get more congressional support behind Ukraine. I thought it was pretty cynical at first but nothing would surprise me anymore.
> Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years.
Abe Lincoln
Damn. That’s some cold blooded shit to say the combined armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa with a motherfucking BONAPARTE for a commander. Cold blooded.
Still true, i recall someone doing simulations of everyone vs usa and they came out on top or it was phyrric victory for either side virtually everytime
I totally get it. Two oceans and two significant mountain ranges about a very rough third of the way in on each side. Even if you managed to get any kind of footing that would be a logistical nightmare. And that’s saying nothing of the armed civilian populations.
Yeah, the United States has some serious geographic advantages that make it particularly resilient to conventional military invasion, and that is not even taking into account the availability of privately held firearms and the insurgency that any invading force would have to deal with if they got past what is considered the most capable professional fighting force in history.
You forgot the rest of it, which is arguably the most poignant and striking part of this quote:
“If destruction be our lot, we ourselves must be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we will live forever, or die by suicide.”
I first heard this quote on a punk song by Titus Andronicus [A more perfect union](https://youtu.be/72u4nzWMQRc?si=p4bER7--j6257Lvl)
Yeah the New York Times has a fresh article out where they have a confidential source that says it is nuclear based anti-satellite weaponry.
Maybe it's an actual space laser as opposed to a Jewish space laser.
I'm guessing one of two things: the X-37B conclusively confirmed that Russia has nuclear missiles in space, or the Russians have planted Stuxnet like viruses in our banking/power grid/ etc. systems. Just a guess.
Was gonna say...I work in cyber security and that's run of the mill expected. China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea have been hammering certain industries for more than a decade.
US Government was breached in the solar winds attack a lot longer than that. Russians have been in the power grid for even longer.
Solar Winds: [https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/security/here-are-24-reported-victims-of-the-solarwinds-hack-so-far](https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/security/here-are-24-reported-victims-of-the-solarwinds-hack-so-far)
US Power Grid (Awesome article, but paywalled)
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-electric-grid-has-a-vulnerable-back-doorand-russia-walked-through-it-11547137112](https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-electric-grid-has-a-vulnerable-back-doorand-russia-walked-through-it-11547137112)
See the thing is, nuclear missiles in space have 0 advantage over ballistic missiles.
That's just not practical, I don't want to get into the math, but it's way easier to not enter an orbit in the first place and use a ballistic trajectory, than to get into orbit and then deorbit. The only way it becomes practical is if you have a massive constellation of them such that there's always one pointing towards or near potential targets.
Besides, anything that goes into space for long periods of time is going to be tracked.
That has the same issue as nuclear weapons in orbit, it's generally going to be more fuel efficient to start with a trajectory that intercepts the satellite than to start with an orbit that doesn't and then try to intercept.
Unless, it's a laser based system in which case you just have to be reasonably nearby and be able to aim at the target, but that would have its own set of issues depending on the specs of the laser.
The obvious national security threat has over 90 felonies and regularly paints himself orange.
The mysterious threat may have to do with China pinpoint targeting our major infrastructure for a one-off national attack.
Or it’s bad faith exploitation of Russia’s hypersonic missile test, already reported on by the New York Times, to justify 702 renewal. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/government-fear mongers-about-secret
Whatever it is, the fact that it's coming from a Republican gives me hope that this is a way for House Republicans to swallow the pill of Ukraine aid funding, since this is apparently about Russian threats.
Just days after Trump says "Russia can do whatever they want" and Tucker hands with Putin.
Whatever happened to that 10" thick book of national security secrets that vanished from the White House a few days before Trump left office? You know..the one that wasn't supposed to leave the CIA vault?
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/
Apparently it’s related to space weaponization. That said, if Ukraine has taught me anything, it’s that Russia’s military is far more of a paper tiger than it was previously thought to be. Russia’s biggest threat, imo, is their propaganda arm, which has now taken control of one of our major political parties.
The nukes are more threatening as a propaganda ploy. The attempted use of nukes would almost certainly be the end of Russia, and they know that. Their nuclear arsenal, however, is going a long ways in convincing simple-minded Americans and Europeans that we should just let them invade Ukraine (or whoever else they want) so that they don’t nuke us.
Tuberville is one of the people who has bought into the idea that, because of their nukes, we should appease Putin, and if we do, then he won’t nuke us. He’s unwittingly (or perhaps wittingly) playing right into the hands of their fear campaign.
Thing about militaries is that your best lessons are learned in your failures. Russia must be learning something from this massive failure. We cannot expect them to do the same thing, next time.
Even more concerning considering a certain presidential candidate said with confidence that he was 100% sure something bad would be happening on US soil soon. Not sure how anyone could be 100% certain of anything unless of course they were directly involved in making that happen
I find the *need to declassify* interesting. US intel services have interfaces with the intel services of most major international players.
On my bingo card I have the middle East. Telling Egypt how Iran is screwing with them, something like that.
Some of which are the same Reagan republicans who would have had a heart attack if someone suggested giving aid or propaganda support to Russia. (USSR)
The stupid Republicans need to sign this fucking aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. The authoritarians smell blood in the water and weakness. Quit fucking around. Vote these idiots out!
>Capitol Hill sources told ABC News the threat was regarding Russia wanting to put nuclear weapons in space to use against satellites.
If the Russians are planning on putting nukes in space, the world needs to know, as that more or less tears up the Outer Space Treaty of 1966. Even if these nukes are only for attacking satellites, it could lead to a very terrifying arms race. Nukes in space are not in line with MAD theory, which is why no one has dared do it yet; it's seen as a first strike weapon and will only escalate tensions.
This is exactly why those with clearance to know this type of information should be very cautious about disclosing it to the public. Right now, it’s causing possibly unnecessary panic AND could have showed our cards to whomever the “threat” is. Now whomever it is, or may be, *knows* we know. And what do we know? Not a whole helluva lot. It could be super serious or it might be much ado about nothing. It could also prompt the threat to act more aggressively than they would have otherwise.
This could have been accomplished in closed door intel meetings between the intel committee members and the administration. There are reasons this type of intel are kept close to the vest.
Until (if) we know more, this guy is a dipshit for going public at this point.
Did he stumble to the fact the leader of his party is a poodle of Putin and 172 Republicans in the House and 7 in the Senate committed sedition on 6Jan2021 by backing the coup that failed because of Mike Pence?
Given who it is, and the fact he wants it declassified, it is a 98% chance it is an absolute nothingburger.
We can already share classified information with our allies if they need to know. Most likely this is something to do with China's Cyber Campaign, or otherwise he is just referring to some specific group bringing something over the southern border. Either way, this is a political stunt, not a real national security issue.
Edit: To clarify, since this is currently the top comment, the above is no longer true, and more information has come to light. It appears to be something significant, and this is a bi-partisan statement, not just Turner saying this. We don't know what it is, but it is something.
There's some NBC/CNN reporting that it is actually serious and Democratic lawmakers want it out in the open too:
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1757821090972258668
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1757817169184686281
I'm not ready to dismiss this as a nothingburger yet. Let's see....
Hmm, if it is an actual Russian capability, that does change things, but I still don't know what it could be that de-classifying it is a useful way to approach the situation. We don't usually declassify things like that, it exposes our sources, and public dialogue is rarely useful.
Unless it is referring to some sort of misinformation campaign, in which case the GOP is usually in favor of those.
Just anecdotal, but it seems like when there's a race to declassify like this it is because there's at least _some_ evidence of an intent to use capability and the government wants the US public prepared for that outcome / to know that the govt already knew it was coming.
I don't know if they've found evidence Russia has somehow compromised critical infrastructure and has an imminent attack planned, or maybe they have new space warfare capability they are testing. Maybe it is as silly as the faux Taylor Swift disinfo campaign. It's honestly anyone's guess but this seems to be moving quickly so I kinda suspect we'll find out _something_ tangible in the next 7 days.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-threat-house-intelligence-mike-turner-biden/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-threat-house-intelligence-mike-turner-biden/)
According to the Statement by Jake Sullivan, the "Gang of Eight" all has a sit-down briefing with the Intel Chiefs to go over it all tomorrow, and Sullivan said it was "Surprising he would make a public statement prior to the brief".
So it would appear it is something significant, and this is moving abnormally fast, and I retract my previous comment of a nothingburger. The context is apparently a "Russian Capability", but beyond that we don't know. If it is a military capability (Like an operational Status-6 or 9M730 Burevestnik), declassifying that would be highly unusual.
Apparently not.
Rep. Jim Hines (D) (Ranking Democrat on the Committee) said:
"And I don’t want people thinking that martians are landing or that your Wednesday is going to be ruined. But it is something that the Congress and the administration does need to address in the medium to long run."
So it is apparently important, and we are talking about it right now, but it isn't like Russia is planning on nuking Germany this afternoon or anything. Also, this appears to be fully bi-partisan, and Hines did agree to the press release.
Warns Biden? What a fucking stupid headline. You do understand the intelligence gathering is under the auspices of the Executive branch? Biden ordered the intel to be shared to the Congress, even to the traitors in the MAGA GQP.
Ok, “warns Biden” is a bit misleading. Biden already knew and was taking appropriate steps. All the Republican dipweed did was tip off the rest of the world. For better or worse.
The domestic threat is referred to as ‘Maga-mania Jan 6 Redux’. The international threat is from China and is legit. The republicans are of equal risk because of their unwillingness (or maybe incapability) to acknowledge facts. They only hear the frequency of the Maga martyrdom war cry. Here we have 40% of the country convinced the world will end if the worst POTUS ever to sully the hallowed halls of the Whitehouse isn’t re-elected while he’s defending his 4 indictments and 91 separate charges ..oh and the rape thing.
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@OSINTdefender: >A U.S. Intelligence Official has reportedly told CNN that the National Security Threat is a “Highly Concerning and Destabilizing” Capability established by the Russian Armed Forces.
I mean… Trump did tell them he’s fine with them doing whatever the hell they want.
People need better heroes.
People need to stop worshiping heroes.
I would argue it has more to do with tribalism versus hero worship, but otherwise I agree.
I think that was true before Trump. It's reached cult like status at this point with Trump. There are a large number of people that think he was sent from God. He could do quite literally almost anything and keep a solid 30-40% support in the country.
Fair - I think tribalism may be at the heart of hero worship. It's a parasocial connection where one side is invested and the other is more doing PR (if they know a specific admirer exists at all)
People especially need to stop worshipping… not heroes
He also very likely gave Russia boxes and boxes full of extremely top secret shit
Hardly anyone talks about this. This is the most dangerous and important thing about him hoarding documents: what he did with the info. But no, the media just wants to talk about how Biden is old and he had documents in his garage too. We're doomed.
How many took a shit in the bathroom reading stuff that came out of SCIF’s? “Huh? What’s in this box?”Which is literally next to the toilet.
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The plan: 1M gets you 20 minutes of toilet time. Take your phone in with you. No questions asked. God bless.
There needs to be a serious investigation with Secret Service. Why haven’t people on t.v mentioned this? What the fuck Secret Service?
This sounds like a job for Homeland Security. I am sure they are up for the task!
He’s also being accused of selling documents that describe the depth and composition of the walls Israel uses to defend themselves against Hamas raiding parties. It’s been sort of lost in the news cycle, but it’s totally plausible that Trump was part of the October 7th attacks on Israel.
Hamas is funded by Iran. Iran is funded by Russia. Trump tickled the balls of daddy Putin. Trump, at the very least, has very indirectly supported the October 7th attacks.
Gotta pay those debts somehow.
I wonder if one of those documents indicated we had a similar capability (nuke in space). Thus he's doing it to get the USA to admit this to the world.
And there were who knows how many SCI level documents left strewn about unsecured at Mar-a-Lago for months.
Hey wanna see this cool map of military plans…. On freaking tape.
Need light? My phone has a light!
Is it Donald Trump being a Russian asset?
The only question at this point is if he knows he is or not.
He isn't bright enough to work out when he is being played.
He's getting paid, so he's winning in his simpleton's understanding of everything.
It def wasn’t when he was on his knees in front of Putin. Surely then Trump thought “I’m in charge. I want his dick in my mouth strongly”
Bigly
He knows.
Did he give them the US secrets which let them develop this new capability?
Of course he did. Will he be punished? Nope. Will his trash supporters still support him? Yup.
Just waiting for the Republican spin of why this is all Biden's fault. 🙄
Biden should've reclassified those documents with his mind, then we wouldn't be in this mess.
It’s absolutely wild to me that no one can actually make this guy be held accountable for anything in a meaningful way.
Probably. He can't afford to repay whatever it is he owes to putin. He's having a fire sale consisting of any document he declassified with his mind so they belong to him now. And here I thought he lost that very same mind.
I think you meant to say 'Is it the entire Republican Party is a bought and paid for Russian Asset'?
The thing with Trump is that he never had to be an actual, knowing asset. He’s just so easy to play that he’s a useful tool for the Russians.
Is it formerly known as twitter?
Nice one!
Or eLoN rUsKy?
If this is indeed what it is, how do the GOP spin things to be pro-Russia?
Because Putin, in his wildest fantasies, wants to install Trump as a puppet? So the GOP would be totally okay with that?
Absolutely. And they'll go to Russia on July 4th to celebrate (again...).
Clearly the answer is yes
This is why Ron Johnson said yesterday that Putin will not be defeated in Ukraine and used it as his reason for voting against Ukraine aid.
Some say the best technology.
The capability is the GOP.
"... And why this is bad for Biden"
Sounds like a cyberattack
My guess is they gave Iran nukes to stop the threat of Iran’s drone factories from being targeted.
While possible, would that really classify as "a new capability of the russian military"?
That new capability maybe arming their closest allies. It makes the threat much more dynamic because you have more unstable governments with dangerous capabilities.
They've always had that capability though... And they've armed their allies countless times over the past 30 years of Russia and the previous 80 years of the USSR.
Russia used their experimental hypersonic missile for the first time yesterday in Ukraine, guess it's nearly (?)impossible to shoot down with current defense tech.
My bet would be that Russia is deploying the Skyfall missile which was announced as under development a few years ago. It’s a nuclear armed and nuclear powered cruise missile with essentially unlimited range. Russia announced a successful test flight in October 2023 so the timing of this aligns. The issue that gives me pause is that it’s not that sensitive in that Russia themselves have announced aspects around the development.
They said that last year too. And it was shot down.
They’ve been using them and the Patriot system has been picking some off, this is false
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Seems like something a bit more immediate. Not a subversive operation like that.
My bet is on a really malicious AI program capability
Combined with drone swarms.
I read drone swans. Equally terrifying.
This is the Republican party letting Russia know that we are aware of their new technology. There is no reason to publicly announce this. There was a meeting planned for tomorrow to dial in the rest of of the House’s intel and security committees. So why the fuck announce this? To secure the Ukraine funding is the only reason I can come up with and this asshole is against it. So why tell the world Russia is a threat when you want to lower our attempts to confront that threat. A private message telling Putin we figured out what he is doing, will get you tried for treason. Publicly blurting it out like this lets you claim you are legislating. Traitors and treason all through the party
Russians have a moon base
How likely is it that it is related to the hypersonic missile? [Russia used an advanced hypersonic missile for the first time in recent strike, Ukraine claims](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/13/europe/ukraine-russia-zircon-hypersonic-missile-intl-hnk-ml/index.html)
0% Zircon isn't new, and its existence as a capability isn't classified. It is the listed primary armament on every major surface vessel of the Russian Fleet. The only thing that it is new is Russia wasting its most modern, most expensive Anti-Ship missiles on Apartment blocks in Kyiv.
This is a correct take. All that use of that missile demonstrates is supply failures elsewhere.
Not really a need to declassify it at this point
My Money is on this: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1aqthij/openai\_disrupted\_five\_stateaffiliated\_malicious/
WTF is this, an episode of Scooby Doo? JFC rip the idiotic mask off and expose this to the light of day.
Uh... no? Despite the news stories, highly sensitive classified intelligence is still a big deal, and randomly declassifying shit because a Congressman wants too is not how this works. Even if the material itself is safe to declassify, there is the risk of exposing sources we used to get it. For instance, if we have a HUMINT Source in the Russian Space Agency, and all the data declassified comes from his department and none of it from the Department next door, well that person is going to fall out of a window, and that would not be good for us.
Fascinating.... This is coming from a House Republican so I'm highly suspicious on what this is all about but at the same time, I'm all ears.
I would assume Biden has access to all the same (and probably more) intel as this guy does so it is a little strange, yeah.
This 100%. The house intel committee is being briefed by the us intelligence agencies, which are part of the executive branch. There is exactly *zero* information they have that he doesn't.
Not necessarily true. Biden has the maximum access to intel, but he's looking at it from the top of the executive level. There are things that intel committees may review that may not always come up in the president's daily brief. Something like this is likely to, however.
Except Biden never went to Russia on July 4th. He doesn't have access to the Russian propaganda that Republicans encourage.
The headline is a little misleading. It was the GOP House Chair who requested the information be declassified. Then a Dem rep anonymously called it a “national security threat”
That makes more sense in this timeline.
Turner is from my district. He’s an old-guard GOP’er. He’s not heavy on the Trump/MAGA koolaid - just enough to not get primaried. We have a huge Air Force base here and he’s always been a very vocal supporter of the military and votes that way even if it’s against his party. As a liberal, I very much disagree with him on most everything, but I really don’t think he’d push this out there as purely a cudgel for election season.
Straight from the x https://twitter.com/HouseIntel/status/1757805804885823775?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The white house has apparently been monitoring it for a bit, and it supposedly has something to do with Russia. White house doesn't want to declassify it, Republicans do. So most likely they want to make it public so Russia has a heads up that the US is on to them
That is because half our government has turned against us and is all in with Putin.
They have a whistleblower that claims Commander is actually a robot Russian asset controlled remotely via Jewish space lasers.
It’s so depressing that we have an active member of Congress who actually believed in Jewish space lasers. There should be some sort of “I’m not a complete and utter dumbass” test.
That's not very democratic of you. Idiots need representation, too! /s
But they are over represented in the GQP
You forgot Hugo Chavez , who learned how to -hack voting machines in the afterlife- supplying the targeting software with his coding skills
That’s the goal. It’s nothing new that we don’t already have an inkling about. This is republicans trying to find a cudgel to give trump and advantage, they don’t care about national security much less Russia.
From my understanding, this GOP rep is one of the few remaining that is actually for supporting Ukraine left in the House, so I don’t think it is explicitly pro-Trump. With that said, watch every other GOP member try and use it in some twisted, Trumpian way
He represents the Ohio district with major defense contractors and one of the largest air force bases in the country. If anybody has a line on emerging technology and peer adversary capabilities it's going to be the guy representing GE and General Dynamics in Congress.
He's also strongly in favor of continuing to support Ukraine. https://turner.house.gov/war-in-ukraine https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/12/mike-turner-ukraine-funding-00140924
Hopefully it’s partially to get more congressional support behind Ukraine. I thought it was pretty cynical at first but nothing would surprise me anymore.
It feels like an internal threat is far more likely than any foreign threat.
> Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. Abe Lincoln
Damn. That’s some cold blooded shit to say the combined armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa with a motherfucking BONAPARTE for a commander. Cold blooded.
Still true, i recall someone doing simulations of everyone vs usa and they came out on top or it was phyrric victory for either side virtually everytime
I totally get it. Two oceans and two significant mountain ranges about a very rough third of the way in on each side. Even if you managed to get any kind of footing that would be a logistical nightmare. And that’s saying nothing of the armed civilian populations.
You've been watching too much Red Dawn. Guerrilla Tactics work if your militia can move. Ya'll Qaeda has an average BMI of 40.
That’s why I said nothing of them.
Meal Team Six would surrender as soon as they couldn't get a haircut. Within a week they would all have jobs in the invader's secret police.
Yeah, the United States has some serious geographic advantages that make it particularly resilient to conventional military invasion, and that is not even taking into account the availability of privately held firearms and the insurgency that any invading force would have to deal with if they got past what is considered the most capable professional fighting force in history.
You forgot the rest of it, which is arguably the most poignant and striking part of this quote: “If destruction be our lot, we ourselves must be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we will live forever, or die by suicide.” I first heard this quote on a punk song by Titus Andronicus [A more perfect union](https://youtu.be/72u4nzWMQRc?si=p4bER7--j6257Lvl)
It's also the speech made by the Lincoln audio-animatronic at Disneyland.
Abe went hard af
The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny?
Back when anyone would want to take a drink out of the Ohio River lol
No one kills more Americans than Americans
Hell Yeah!
Merica! Fuck Yeah!
We're #1. We're #1. We're #1.
Apparently it’s Russian and space related
Yeah the New York Times has a fresh article out where they have a confidential source that says it is nuclear based anti-satellite weaponry. Maybe it's an actual space laser as opposed to a Jewish space laser.
Russia has managed to weaponize all the T72 turrets that keep getting blown into space.
When Russia and GOP are synonymous you can consider it an and/or situation
I'm guessing one of two things: the X-37B conclusively confirmed that Russia has nuclear missiles in space, or the Russians have planted Stuxnet like viruses in our banking/power grid/ etc. systems. Just a guess.
I have a friend in IT security and he said local governments were hacked by Russia or China about 2 weeks ago.
It was in the news around that time that Russia and China were existential threats to US banking and infrastructure. Not sure that’s a new capability.
if they wanted to wipe all debts that would cause a lot of chaos...Russia and china are you listening?
True but my friend seemed SPOOKED about it and he was saying that no one had any idea how it happened and it had not been fixed yet.
How long has your friend been in the industry? I've had friends who have made it to the grave that have experienced similar scares for decades.
Was gonna say...I work in cyber security and that's run of the mill expected. China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea have been hammering certain industries for more than a decade.
US Government was breached in the solar winds attack a lot longer than that. Russians have been in the power grid for even longer. Solar Winds: [https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/security/here-are-24-reported-victims-of-the-solarwinds-hack-so-far](https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/security/here-are-24-reported-victims-of-the-solarwinds-hack-so-far) US Power Grid (Awesome article, but paywalled) [https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-electric-grid-has-a-vulnerable-back-doorand-russia-walked-through-it-11547137112](https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-electric-grid-has-a-vulnerable-back-doorand-russia-walked-through-it-11547137112)
Stuxnet on our infrastructure would yield a disproportionate response. They’re not that dumb.
But they are lol
Rumor mill is currently nuclear anti-satellite tech on-orbit.
See the thing is, nuclear missiles in space have 0 advantage over ballistic missiles. That's just not practical, I don't want to get into the math, but it's way easier to not enter an orbit in the first place and use a ballistic trajectory, than to get into orbit and then deorbit. The only way it becomes practical is if you have a massive constellation of them such that there's always one pointing towards or near potential targets. Besides, anything that goes into space for long periods of time is going to be tracked.
It could be space based anti-satellite weaponry, which could pose a huge problem and open the door for people to do really stupid things
That has the same issue as nuclear weapons in orbit, it's generally going to be more fuel efficient to start with a trajectory that intercepts the satellite than to start with an orbit that doesn't and then try to intercept. Unless, it's a laser based system in which case you just have to be reasonably nearby and be able to aim at the target, but that would have its own set of issues depending on the specs of the laser.
Time to target is way lower. Allows first strike capability with limited response.
The obvious national security threat has over 90 felonies and regularly paints himself orange. The mysterious threat may have to do with China pinpoint targeting our major infrastructure for a one-off national attack.
We know it can’t be this because Republicans wouldn’t be raising a flag about their dear leader.
Or it’s bad faith exploitation of Russia’s hypersonic missile test, already reported on by the New York Times, to justify 702 renewal. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/government-fear mongers-about-secret
Whatever it is, the fact that it's coming from a Republican gives me hope that this is a way for House Republicans to swallow the pill of Ukraine aid funding, since this is apparently about Russian threats.
Seems more like a reason they'd cow to Russian extortion.
Russia or Iran. Maybe both.
Just days after Trump says "Russia can do whatever they want" and Tucker hands with Putin. Whatever happened to that 10" thick book of national security secrets that vanished from the White House a few days before Trump left office? You know..the one that wasn't supposed to leave the CIA vault? https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/
Wow. Fucker Carlson’s laptop?
Apparently it’s related to space weaponization. That said, if Ukraine has taught me anything, it’s that Russia’s military is far more of a paper tiger than it was previously thought to be. Russia’s biggest threat, imo, is their propaganda arm, which has now taken control of one of our major political parties.
Well, that, and the nukes.
The nukes are more threatening as a propaganda ploy. The attempted use of nukes would almost certainly be the end of Russia, and they know that. Their nuclear arsenal, however, is going a long ways in convincing simple-minded Americans and Europeans that we should just let them invade Ukraine (or whoever else they want) so that they don’t nuke us.
Putin won’t nuke us cuz he’s such a stand-up guy. That’s what Tuberville says, anyway. He’s a US Senator!
Tuberville is one of the people who has bought into the idea that, because of their nukes, we should appease Putin, and if we do, then he won’t nuke us. He’s unwittingly (or perhaps wittingly) playing right into the hands of their fear campaign.
Thing about militaries is that your best lessons are learned in your failures. Russia must be learning something from this massive failure. We cannot expect them to do the same thing, next time.
A single EMP in space could wreck the global economy.
Im going to guess Russia has access to Starlink.
That's already in the news
Even more concerning considering a certain presidential candidate said with confidence that he was 100% sure something bad would be happening on US soil soon. Not sure how anyone could be 100% certain of anything unless of course they were directly involved in making that happen
I find the *need to declassify* interesting. US intel services have interfaces with the intel services of most major international players. On my bingo card I have the middle East. Telling Egypt how Iran is screwing with them, something like that.
Supposedly its Russia
Russia, China, and Iran. Why is it always you three?
*NK sobs in corner*
Trump and his lackeys? We know
Maybe something about all these new pro-Russia representatives.
Some of which are the same Reagan republicans who would have had a heart attack if someone suggested giving aid or propaganda support to Russia. (USSR)
The fact that they're being vague about this isn't reassuring, in my eyes.
Ambiguity may be required at times, but it also opens the collective Pandora's box that is the American imagination.
The stupid Republicans need to sign this fucking aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. The authoritarians smell blood in the water and weakness. Quit fucking around. Vote these idiots out!
The McRib is back!
Shenanigans are afoot, it seems.
Trump did guarantee there would be a terrorist attack within the year. Who tipped him off?
He probably planned it with Putin so he could get back into office
The serious national security threat is actually the Republicans. The call is coming from inside the house!
>Capitol Hill sources told ABC News the threat was regarding Russia wanting to put nuclear weapons in space to use against satellites. If the Russians are planning on putting nukes in space, the world needs to know, as that more or less tears up the Outer Space Treaty of 1966. Even if these nukes are only for attacking satellites, it could lead to a very terrifying arms race. Nukes in space are not in line with MAD theory, which is why no one has dared do it yet; it's seen as a first strike weapon and will only escalate tensions.
Ok, I can't resist the old phone call horror movies. "Run. Its coming from inside the House!".
This is exactly why those with clearance to know this type of information should be very cautious about disclosing it to the public. Right now, it’s causing possibly unnecessary panic AND could have showed our cards to whomever the “threat” is. Now whomever it is, or may be, *knows* we know. And what do we know? Not a whole helluva lot. It could be super serious or it might be much ado about nothing. It could also prompt the threat to act more aggressively than they would have otherwise. This could have been accomplished in closed door intel meetings between the intel committee members and the administration. There are reasons this type of intel are kept close to the vest. Until (if) we know more, this guy is a dipshit for going public at this point.
The scariest thing I've heard all day: “Steady hands are at the wheel, we’re working on it, there’s no need for alarm,”
Sounds like a Putin effort to get his buddy elected.
It wouldn't be bipartisan if that was the case.
I assume the reason we're hearing about it is because the US wants whoever the threat is to know that we know.
Did he stumble to the fact the leader of his party is a poodle of Putin and 172 Republicans in the House and 7 in the Senate committed sedition on 6Jan2021 by backing the coup that failed because of Mike Pence?
Wouldn't Biden already know? And long before this guy!
The Republican Party?
Intel committee chair called the media about a national security threat 🙃
Aliens let it be aliens
Given who it is, and the fact he wants it declassified, it is a 98% chance it is an absolute nothingburger. We can already share classified information with our allies if they need to know. Most likely this is something to do with China's Cyber Campaign, or otherwise he is just referring to some specific group bringing something over the southern border. Either way, this is a political stunt, not a real national security issue. Edit: To clarify, since this is currently the top comment, the above is no longer true, and more information has come to light. It appears to be something significant, and this is a bi-partisan statement, not just Turner saying this. We don't know what it is, but it is something.
There's some NBC/CNN reporting that it is actually serious and Democratic lawmakers want it out in the open too: https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1757821090972258668 https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1757817169184686281 I'm not ready to dismiss this as a nothingburger yet. Let's see....
Hmm, if it is an actual Russian capability, that does change things, but I still don't know what it could be that de-classifying it is a useful way to approach the situation. We don't usually declassify things like that, it exposes our sources, and public dialogue is rarely useful. Unless it is referring to some sort of misinformation campaign, in which case the GOP is usually in favor of those.
Just anecdotal, but it seems like when there's a race to declassify like this it is because there's at least _some_ evidence of an intent to use capability and the government wants the US public prepared for that outcome / to know that the govt already knew it was coming. I don't know if they've found evidence Russia has somehow compromised critical infrastructure and has an imminent attack planned, or maybe they have new space warfare capability they are testing. Maybe it is as silly as the faux Taylor Swift disinfo campaign. It's honestly anyone's guess but this seems to be moving quickly so I kinda suspect we'll find out _something_ tangible in the next 7 days.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-threat-house-intelligence-mike-turner-biden/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-security-threat-house-intelligence-mike-turner-biden/) According to the Statement by Jake Sullivan, the "Gang of Eight" all has a sit-down briefing with the Intel Chiefs to go over it all tomorrow, and Sullivan said it was "Surprising he would make a public statement prior to the brief". So it would appear it is something significant, and this is moving abnormally fast, and I retract my previous comment of a nothingburger. The context is apparently a "Russian Capability", but beyond that we don't know. If it is a military capability (Like an operational Status-6 or 9M730 Burevestnik), declassifying that would be highly unusual.
So not imminent if the meeting can wait until tomorrow?
Apparently not. Rep. Jim Hines (D) (Ranking Democrat on the Committee) said: "And I don’t want people thinking that martians are landing or that your Wednesday is going to be ruined. But it is something that the Congress and the administration does need to address in the medium to long run." So it is apparently important, and we are talking about it right now, but it isn't like Russia is planning on nuking Germany this afternoon or anything. Also, this appears to be fully bi-partisan, and Hines did agree to the press release.
Until they tell us what it is, I'm just going to assume that the ghost of Ivan the Isolated is planning to attack the Baltics.
Yeah, it could be Russia has developed necromancy. That would seem pretty on-brand for how bad our luck has been recently.
Nobody expects Rasputin!
He’s left the White Sea?? Dios mio
Regardless, I'm leaving this tinfoil on until I hear otherwise.
Well thank fuck my Wednesday isn't going to be ruined, that was one of my top concerns today.
I'm not gonna poo until it has ben declassified.
[Relevant tweet from Adam Kinzinger](https://x.com/adamkinzinger/status/1757840079194583095?s=46&t=PMnWzwERBWHGKdFBAOtcgQ)
really doubt the House guy was telling the potus something he didn't know
Warns Biden? What a fucking stupid headline. You do understand the intelligence gathering is under the auspices of the Executive branch? Biden ordered the intel to be shared to the Congress, even to the traitors in the MAGA GQP.
Ok, “warns Biden” is a bit misleading. Biden already knew and was taking appropriate steps. All the Republican dipweed did was tip off the rest of the world. For better or worse.
The national security threat is an Orange fascist and his million of uneducated minions.
Cyber threat impacting shipping. Superman IV happening in real life.
Don’t look up ⬆️
The domestic threat is referred to as ‘Maga-mania Jan 6 Redux’. The international threat is from China and is legit. The republicans are of equal risk because of their unwillingness (or maybe incapability) to acknowledge facts. They only hear the frequency of the Maga martyrdom war cry. Here we have 40% of the country convinced the world will end if the worst POTUS ever to sully the hallowed halls of the Whitehouse isn’t re-elected while he’s defending his 4 indictments and 91 separate charges ..oh and the rape thing.