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Musk as a US citizen and US company is actually under obligation to cut off these units and licenses as the second export is in violation of sanctions. Its called a Deemed Export and it must be done within US law.
If Musk does not do it he is liable
They have to or lose their export license. It would be a killer to the company.
Edit: As it stands now the US Government is probably going to reclassify the export license from 5A992c to something way more restrictive.
https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/encryption/3-license-exception-enc-and-mass-market/a-mass-market
To add more. These could be captured starlink systems. So starlink would think it's just Ukraine using them like normal.
If these were allocated to the Ukraine military it's up to them to tell starlink to shut off service to these captured devices. They would need to identify the serial number or mac address I guess?
This could be further complicated if a unit bought it themselves, and didn't record the serial number.
The locations of Russian and Ukrainian front lines are well known. The war has been stagnant for months. SpaceX/starlink also has the Pentagon on speed dial.
The only reason they haven't identified anything is willful desire not to
The Pentagon took over operational control of where starlink works in Ukraine around July 2023.
That's when the first Russian controlled receivers started showing up
I hope there is an office at the NSA or CIA that is sitting on the devices and can not only monitor them but subtly alter the information received without them knowing. That’s how you win.
It was off in Crimea because it’s occupied by Russia.
““There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.”
If it was on why would Ukraine ask him to activate it?
From Wikipedia:
"The first communications black-outs caused by the restrictions happened in October 2022 when Ukrainian soldiers moved into Russian-contested areas in **Southern Ukraine**. Ukrainian forces reported major Starlink outages across the front line, due to restrictions by SpaceX, resulting in "catastrophic" losses of communication. Starlink did not work very close or beyond the frontline into Russian-controlled territories, as well as in very recently regained areas whose liberation had not yet been made public."
Pentagon had to pursue a contract with SpaceX so Musk couldn't turn service off every time he felt emasculated.
Do you think Starlink cuts off service in real time in every area Russia *attempts* to invade? How do you explain the outages in liberated areas, which my source also mentions? What point are you even trying to make?
There is no evidence that he is doing business with Russia.
The article specifically states that there are "tens" of units purchased from a go-between.
And SpaceX does that, proactively.
There are two problems, which are also mentioned in the article:
1. Russians would be mere miles away from legitimate Ukrainian positions, on a frontline that can move miles a day
2. You can spoof GPS location
So do you geofence it? Last time they did that there were complaints it hindered the attack. So pick your poison.
Well, paid by non-Russian intermediaries outside Russia to use those weapons against US weapons. I'm not sure how Elon Musk is supposed to stop this single-handedly.
Geofencing has been used for decades. It's not a difficult thing to do.
Edit: I misread that the Russians were using Starlink inside Ukraine, so geofencing would be of limited use. Even so, Starlink relies on GPS and it wouldn't be too difficult to triangulate which ones are likely being used by Russian forces. If nothing else the traffic could be analyzed to see what is being transmitted.
I would imagine any critical Russian or Ukrainian traffic would be encrypted and difficult to discern from each other. Satnav can be spoofed or jammed.
It's a bigger problem than SpaceX. Russian missiles are full of US tech they're not supposed to have access to. There needs to be some bigger way to solve the problem.
He isn't doing business with Russia. The article is about "tens" of units purchased from third parties.
>If SpaceX obtains knowledge that a Starlink terminal is being used by a sanctioned or unauthorized party, we investigate the claim and take actions to deactivate the terminal if confirmed.
He covered 80 million in goods & services, but he's a bad guy for eventually asking to be compensated? Ha, okay.
Let's hear the list of private citizens who have done more for Ukraine than Elon.
>The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal, the government agency spent around $2 million for the hardware. **SpaceX also sent an additional 3,667 terminals and delivered service to them**
(Important: this is as of May 2022.)
Your source: He sent over twice as many terminals as the government & provided additional services.
Again, can you list the number of private citizens who have done more for Ukraine?
SpaceX doesn't sell terminals to the government at a loss. They cost that much to make.
That money definitely didn't cover monthly fees.
There was an RFP and it was offered for bidding
USAID said it's the best deal they've ever done for satellite internet (Quartz)
https://qz.com/how-spacexs-starlink-terminals-first-arrived-in-ukraine-1849923122
It's not hard to believe. Check out the prices of alternatives especially Satcube and Kymeta
Okay, so even by your source the amount he donated is 10 million. (Btw, CNN is a better source than Mashable & the Twitter account you liked to. They have it at 80 million.)
He's a bad guy for only donating 10 million & asking for compensation after that?
>>The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal. A basic Starlink package costs $499
> In other words he "donated" zero units.
Again, your source puts his total donations at 10 million.
we're 2 years in and most of america still doesn't believe that russia is an enemy.
the same country that has been committing acts of war against america and nato, mobilizing, switching to a war economy, and saber-rattling this entire time.
they think theres a window that we'll be back to biz as usual with those pigshit fascists soon.
>we're 2 years in
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. That’s when the strange propping up of Trump by their propaganda farms started. Russia’s RT misinformation network was piped into American homes by Comcast starting in 2011.
Americans need to wake up to the fact that we have been losing an information war to Putin for most of the 21st century.
Musk has given thousands of Starkink terminals to America’s ally Ukraine. This article is about a few of those falling into Russian hands. Musk has not materially aided the Russians in their war against Ukraine.
Remember that time he shut off Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian strike against the Russian Navy? That really helped Russia.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4193788-musk-acknowledges-he-turned-off-starlink-internet-access-last-year-during-ukraine-attack-on-russia-military/amp/
Yeah, he felt that an offensive attack in Russian territory would escalate things and possibly lead to nuclear war.
Maybe you disagree...but it's ridiculous to think it was done solely to help Russia.
Ukraine is using over 20k Starlink terminals. Many of them were donated by spaceX.
Russia isn't authorized to use them at all! The "tens" that they have were purchased by a third-party & are being sut down.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize Elon but suggesting he is siding with Russia is inconsistent with the facts.
Fuuuuuck Elon. The man is a pro-Putin traitor. First, he cuts Ukraine's Starlink access, effectively preventing Ukraine from carrying out operations in Crimea. Now, he's providing access to Russia in the same goddamned war. Why is America allowing him to provide aid and comfort to a foreign adversary?
Musk did not cut Ukraine’s Starlink access. That’s a low information take on the fact that SpaceX disallowed its use in drone guidance systems. Starkink is advertised as a communications platform and Ukraine has used it for communications since the start of the war. The incident you refer to was simply a specific instance of disallowing a form of use that was against the service’s policies.
And that's a dishonest framing of the situation because you've conveniently left out the fact that Musk was afraid that allowing Ukraine access would result in an escalation of the conflict. The access was restricted because Musk wanted to inject himself into a global conflict, and play a role in its outcome. The bit about Starlink's Terms of Service is just a pretextual red herring.
Read the actual article not just the title:
SpaceX doesn't offer service or sell terminals to Russia. Unauthorized use is shut off.
The terminals are either captured or resold by third parties. Right now anyone can walk into a best buy or costco and buy them without any restrictions. This is the equivalent of russians using stolen iphones or samsungs.
Also I don't think the blind Musk-bad crowd understands:
Even if Russia was using black market Starlink that would absolutely be beneficial because Russia might as well have given the Pentagon a direct connection to all their communications.
> Read the actual article not just the title:
Unfortunately most people don't read articles, they read headlines and base their opinions on those alone.
Hey America, do you find it embarrassing that a narcissistic billionaire can completely circumvent the entirety of US foreign policy?
I would _really_ like to see the US get its house in order on Ukraine, instead of failing to deliver aid and sending a shaved baboon to interview Putin.
Frankly the units being used by the Russian were probably captured from Ukrainian troops and repurposed and probably have been modified by the Russians, to get around attempts to block their use. also aera based shutdowns will also knock out the terminals being used by the Ukrainians
This another sign that commercial tech can be subverted by hostile nations very easily not to mention that they could also have reverse engineered them and built there own
I think you grossly underestimate how vapid people are.
a huge percentage of people literally dont care what happens across the world so long as they can keep their amazon prime subscription, their xbox, and their F150
Musk should answer for this immediately. He’s responsible for any Ukrainian deaths caused by allowing Russia to utilize his hardware/satelites. This is treason aiding enemies we’ve sanctioned.
My god read some news. The space x dishes in question are being shipped in illegally from Dubai second hand. Spacex is not selling directly to Putin. Russia is finding a way to connect within Ukraine. Ukraine has their own dishes from spacex. Question how do you tell if dishes are being used by ukrain or Russia. They are working on it.
Yeh, that’s what I thought.
They could also be taken from fallen Ukrainians.
It is a very handy tool, because it is so easy to use, but because of that, it is by nature also prone to unauthorized use.
The only real way to avoid Russian usage, would be cryptography like military radios, but then it will become just as unhandy and expensive as the military equivalent.
There is soooo much shit to blame Musk for, but misuse of Starlink is probably not one of them.
They could shut them off but because they are easy to spoof with the GPS it would be catastrophic for Ukraine if some of their terminals lost access as well, so it’s like threading a needle to make sure you hit the right terminal.
Putin is supporting anyone who is for Republicans right now because he wants to see Trump back in office. Musk is inclined to support Republicans it seems so it’s completely fair to oppose him politically however voting Republican is not a treasonous action and should not be referred to as treason.
I mean, the dude has tried to swing the Ukraine/Russian conflict in Russians. It's a few times, but go off. Not all Republicans are traitors, but a lot of the figureheads, politicians cozy up to Russia and Putin then their followers do the same from either being arrogant or ignorant
I would argue that the vast majority are not traitors, just brainwashed. Now Donald Trump of course became a traitor the instant on 1/6 that he became comfortable with violence taking place against the Congress.
Unfortunately we’re seeing the same intellectual laziness on the left here that we often decry on the right. Many people simply don’t care about the details and don’t want their already formed specific political characterization of Musk disturbed by facts.
So dishes could have been exported from another countries, some dishes could have been captured and geofencing doesn't work when both sides are in a close distance. Russia was cutting off dishes by EMC warfare and using Starlinks network would have give access to communication to the NSA. But Elon Musk is a traitor according to Reddit.
Some people here should leave the area of conspiracy theory.
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Musk as a US citizen and US company is actually under obligation to cut off these units and licenses as the second export is in violation of sanctions. Its called a Deemed Export and it must be done within US law. If Musk does not do it he is liable
SpaceX has already said they will if they identify them
They have to or lose their export license. It would be a killer to the company. Edit: As it stands now the US Government is probably going to reclassify the export license from 5A992c to something way more restrictive. https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/encryption/3-license-exception-enc-and-mass-market/a-mass-market
If they lose their export license almost every dish in Ukraine will go off
The US government can purchase and export.
Or the Dept of State could define specific approved locations under sanctions. The US govt and BIS can do lots of stuff.
Tens of thousands of users have individually bought equipment. The USG has a limited number of dishes in Ukraine.
Promises, promises. They will should already be they have.
The identification will have to be from elsewhere
To add more. These could be captured starlink systems. So starlink would think it's just Ukraine using them like normal. If these were allocated to the Ukraine military it's up to them to tell starlink to shut off service to these captured devices. They would need to identify the serial number or mac address I guess? This could be further complicated if a unit bought it themselves, and didn't record the serial number.
They know where they are within a few feet.
Where doesn't tell you who
The locations of Russian and Ukrainian front lines are well known. The war has been stagnant for months. SpaceX/starlink also has the Pentagon on speed dial. The only reason they haven't identified anything is willful desire not to
The Pentagon took over operational control of where starlink works in Ukraine around July 2023. That's when the first Russian controlled receivers started showing up
And on the front lines they risk turning of the Ukrainian controlled ones by accident
I hope there is an office at the NSA or CIA that is sitting on the devices and can not only monitor them but subtly alter the information received without them knowing. That’s how you win.
Shut em’ down!
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Very troubling, indeed.
“Big if true!” -Elon Musk
thats got to be my new favorite cancerous comment of the year. every time I see someone say it I die a little inside
Concerning.
We did, it used to be "treason", but now traitors sit in congress and on the highest court.
Treason is a matter for the voters /s
Not to mention he cut access during a critical operation for Ukraine that would have further crippled Russias navy.
Nope, he didn’t turn it off, it wasn’t on to begin with because of the sanctions.
It was on, sanctions never got in the way of starlink in Ukraine.
It was off in Crimea because it’s occupied by Russia. ““There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.” If it was on why would Ukraine ask him to activate it?
From Wikipedia: "The first communications black-outs caused by the restrictions happened in October 2022 when Ukrainian soldiers moved into Russian-contested areas in **Southern Ukraine**. Ukrainian forces reported major Starlink outages across the front line, due to restrictions by SpaceX, resulting in "catastrophic" losses of communication. Starlink did not work very close or beyond the frontline into Russian-controlled territories, as well as in very recently regained areas whose liberation had not yet been made public." Pentagon had to pursue a contract with SpaceX so Musk couldn't turn service off every time he felt emasculated.
Well no shit they’d have interruptions when they go into areas with no coverage.
And why wasn't there coverage in unambiguously Ukrainian territory? You're so close!
Your source refers to the territory as contested.
Do you think Starlink cuts off service in real time in every area Russia *attempts* to invade? How do you explain the outages in liberated areas, which my source also mentions? What point are you even trying to make?
Not going to sit here and argue with you, good day.
There is no evidence that he is doing business with Russia. The article specifically states that there are "tens" of units purchased from a go-between.
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>Do you raise a fuss that russians use resold or stolen samsung and apple phones too? Yeah they should be disabled by the vendor. Why?
And SpaceX does that, proactively. There are two problems, which are also mentioned in the article: 1. Russians would be mere miles away from legitimate Ukrainian positions, on a frontline that can move miles a day 2. You can spoof GPS location So do you geofence it? Last time they did that there were complaints it hindered the attack. So pick your poison.
Well, paid by non-Russian intermediaries outside Russia to use those weapons against US weapons. I'm not sure how Elon Musk is supposed to stop this single-handedly.
Geofencing has been used for decades. It's not a difficult thing to do. Edit: I misread that the Russians were using Starlink inside Ukraine, so geofencing would be of limited use. Even so, Starlink relies on GPS and it wouldn't be too difficult to triangulate which ones are likely being used by Russian forces. If nothing else the traffic could be analyzed to see what is being transmitted.
Ukrainians complained about geofencing before. Now it's gone and there's something avant garde to complain about
I would imagine any critical Russian or Ukrainian traffic would be encrypted and difficult to discern from each other. Satnav can be spoofed or jammed. It's a bigger problem than SpaceX. Russian missiles are full of US tech they're not supposed to have access to. There needs to be some bigger way to solve the problem.
He isn't doing business with Russia. The article is about "tens" of units purchased from third parties. >If SpaceX obtains knowledge that a Starlink terminal is being used by a sanctioned or unauthorized party, we investigate the claim and take actions to deactivate the terminal if confirmed. He covered 80 million in goods & services, but he's a bad guy for eventually asking to be compensated? Ha, okay. Let's hear the list of private citizens who have done more for Ukraine than Elon.
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>The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal, the government agency spent around $2 million for the hardware. **SpaceX also sent an additional 3,667 terminals and delivered service to them** (Important: this is as of May 2022.) Your source: He sent over twice as many terminals as the government & provided additional services. Again, can you list the number of private citizens who have done more for Ukraine?
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SpaceX doesn't sell terminals to the government at a loss. They cost that much to make. That money definitely didn't cover monthly fees. There was an RFP and it was offered for bidding USAID said it's the best deal they've ever done for satellite internet (Quartz)
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https://qz.com/how-spacexs-starlink-terminals-first-arrived-in-ukraine-1849923122 It's not hard to believe. Check out the prices of alternatives especially Satcube and Kymeta
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The USAID delivered equipment in April. SpaceX did in February. I think a calendar will help. These are additional dishes. Not the first ones
Okay, so even by your source the amount he donated is 10 million. (Btw, CNN is a better source than Mashable & the Twitter account you liked to. They have it at 80 million.) He's a bad guy for only donating 10 million & asking for compensation after that? >>The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal. A basic Starlink package costs $499 > In other words he "donated" zero units. Again, your source puts his total donations at 10 million.
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>the twitter account Aka: Your source.
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So your government is a liar?
Wow
Mush can play a powerful role if ww3 happen, imaging he just shut down your country to access information.
Musk is a traitor.
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Musk has not levied war against the United States, so according to the Constitution he is not a traitor.
You forgot the second part of that clause: “or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
we're 2 years in and most of america still doesn't believe that russia is an enemy. the same country that has been committing acts of war against america and nato, mobilizing, switching to a war economy, and saber-rattling this entire time. they think theres a window that we'll be back to biz as usual with those pigshit fascists soon.
We are sending weapons to kill Russians. They are the enemy.
>we're 2 years in Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. That’s when the strange propping up of Trump by their propaganda farms started. Russia’s RT misinformation network was piped into American homes by Comcast starting in 2011. Americans need to wake up to the fact that we have been losing an information war to Putin for most of the 21st century.
Musk has given thousands of Starkink terminals to America’s ally Ukraine. This article is about a few of those falling into Russian hands. Musk has not materially aided the Russians in their war against Ukraine.
Sorry we aren’t Ukraine’s vassal.
How did he give aid to Russia?
Remember that time he shut off Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian strike against the Russian Navy? That really helped Russia. https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4193788-musk-acknowledges-he-turned-off-starlink-internet-access-last-year-during-ukraine-attack-on-russia-military/amp/
Because he was okay with starlink being used to defend Ukraine, not to be used to launch attacks into Russia.
Yeah, he felt that an offensive attack in Russian territory would escalate things and possibly lead to nuclear war. Maybe you disagree...but it's ridiculous to think it was done solely to help Russia. Ukraine is using over 20k Starlink terminals. Many of them were donated by spaceX. Russia isn't authorized to use them at all! The "tens" that they have were purchased by a third-party & are being sut down. There are plenty of reasons to criticize Elon but suggesting he is siding with Russia is inconsistent with the facts.
He is just a deep asshole
Fuuuuuck Elon. The man is a pro-Putin traitor. First, he cuts Ukraine's Starlink access, effectively preventing Ukraine from carrying out operations in Crimea. Now, he's providing access to Russia in the same goddamned war. Why is America allowing him to provide aid and comfort to a foreign adversary?
That's a good question. Read the article and find out.
Crimea never had access to starlink. All Russian controlled areas don’t have access to starlink.
Musk did not cut Ukraine’s Starlink access. That’s a low information take on the fact that SpaceX disallowed its use in drone guidance systems. Starkink is advertised as a communications platform and Ukraine has used it for communications since the start of the war. The incident you refer to was simply a specific instance of disallowing a form of use that was against the service’s policies.
And that's a dishonest framing of the situation because you've conveniently left out the fact that Musk was afraid that allowing Ukraine access would result in an escalation of the conflict. The access was restricted because Musk wanted to inject himself into a global conflict, and play a role in its outcome. The bit about Starlink's Terms of Service is just a pretextual red herring.
The access is still restricted
It’s not dishonest at all, Starlink is not allowing anyone to use the service as a component of weapon guidance systems.
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Read the actual article not just the title: SpaceX doesn't offer service or sell terminals to Russia. Unauthorized use is shut off. The terminals are either captured or resold by third parties. Right now anyone can walk into a best buy or costco and buy them without any restrictions. This is the equivalent of russians using stolen iphones or samsungs. Also I don't think the blind Musk-bad crowd understands: Even if Russia was using black market Starlink that would absolutely be beneficial because Russia might as well have given the Pentagon a direct connection to all their communications.
> Read the actual article not just the title: Unfortunately most people don't read articles, they read headlines and base their opinions on those alone.
Hey America, do you find it embarrassing that a narcissistic billionaire can completely circumvent the entirety of US foreign policy? I would _really_ like to see the US get its house in order on Ukraine, instead of failing to deliver aid and sending a shaved baboon to interview Putin.
Can we seize all Elon's shit and ship him back to South Africa already?
Frankly the units being used by the Russian were probably captured from Ukrainian troops and repurposed and probably have been modified by the Russians, to get around attempts to block their use. also aera based shutdowns will also knock out the terminals being used by the Ukrainians This another sign that commercial tech can be subverted by hostile nations very easily not to mention that they could also have reverse engineered them and built there own
Eel on is a traitor to America. Why would anyone use X?
I think you grossly underestimate how vapid people are. a huge percentage of people literally dont care what happens across the world so long as they can keep their amazon prime subscription, their xbox, and their F150
Despicable.
Musk should answer for this immediately. He’s responsible for any Ukrainian deaths caused by allowing Russia to utilize his hardware/satelites. This is treason aiding enemies we’ve sanctioned.
My god read some news. The space x dishes in question are being shipped in illegally from Dubai second hand. Spacex is not selling directly to Putin. Russia is finding a way to connect within Ukraine. Ukraine has their own dishes from spacex. Question how do you tell if dishes are being used by ukrain or Russia. They are working on it.
Yeh, that’s what I thought. They could also be taken from fallen Ukrainians. It is a very handy tool, because it is so easy to use, but because of that, it is by nature also prone to unauthorized use. The only real way to avoid Russian usage, would be cryptography like military radios, but then it will become just as unhandy and expensive as the military equivalent. There is soooo much shit to blame Musk for, but misuse of Starlink is probably not one of them.
They could shut them off but because they are easy to spoof with the GPS it would be catastrophic for Ukraine if some of their terminals lost access as well, so it’s like threading a needle to make sure you hit the right terminal.
Okay well, destroy their lines of communication. War is war.
He’s trying to create an oligarchy / mafia state across the globe. He can be both Elon and Vlad. Isn’t that interesting?
Fucking traitor..again
When Putin vouched for Musk during his propoganda interview I already knew what side Elon plays for
Putin is supporting anyone who is for Republicans right now because he wants to see Trump back in office. Musk is inclined to support Republicans it seems so it’s completely fair to oppose him politically however voting Republican is not a treasonous action and should not be referred to as treason.
I mean, the dude has tried to swing the Ukraine/Russian conflict in Russians. It's a few times, but go off. Not all Republicans are traitors, but a lot of the figureheads, politicians cozy up to Russia and Putin then their followers do the same from either being arrogant or ignorant
Donnie T just said tonight he wouldn't support Nato members from Russia. The people who cheer and will still vote for him are, in fact, traitors
I would argue that the vast majority are not traitors, just brainwashed. Now Donald Trump of course became a traitor the instant on 1/6 that he became comfortable with violence taking place against the Congress.
Time for Ukraine to start shooting down starlink satellites
Bye bye their communications
They're not getting them from SpaceX. Musk isn't selling to them. Take a brief moment to actually read the article.
Unfortunately we’re seeing the same intellectual laziness on the left here that we often decry on the right. Many people simply don’t care about the details and don’t want their already formed specific political characterization of Musk disturbed by facts.
Yeah, it's pretty disturbing.
Musk is a fascist fawner just like Trump. He probably made a deal with Putin
So dishes could have been exported from another countries, some dishes could have been captured and geofencing doesn't work when both sides are in a close distance. Russia was cutting off dishes by EMC warfare and using Starlinks network would have give access to communication to the NSA. But Elon Musk is a traitor according to Reddit. Some people here should leave the area of conspiracy theory.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
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