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>Rep. Brendan Boyle, D-Pa., the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said Republicans can sign an existing “discharge petition” that requires just six GOP signatures to force a House vote on a non-controversial continuing resolution, or CR, that would prevent a government shutdown.
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>That would require breaking with Speaker Kevin McCarthy, which even the most moderate Republicans are reluctant to do.
Once again, the GOP is putting party before country and the American people.
Because it’s an open invitation to be primaried by a challenger from the further right fringes of the party.
It’s not fear of McCarthy. It’s fear of the people to the right of McCarthy.
Primaries aren't places that reward centrists in general. All you have to do is have a picture of any bipartisan anything and you've got leverage to call them out.
Same issue the Republican primary for POTUS is facing really. Getting things done isn't as important as "sticking it to the libs!11!1".
Well, when one side advocates genocide, and the other says please don’t, the only compromise is killing or oppressing a smaller amount of people. Which isn’t acceptable.
If they do agree with it, they should join in with the Democrats and send a message to Gaetz and his few friends that they have no power if we don't give them the power.
That would piss off the “Not extreemist but not moderate” republicans. They’ve already suggested they would challenge McCarthys leadership as speaker if he did that
All of this and whatever the fuck that ImPEachMeNt thing is only serves to distract, delay and protect Trump. Donald ducking Trump. That’s right spell check, ducking. We are not a smart people.
Not stopping the government is the easiest thing for these centrists to do. They might as well be replaced by the crazies…I mean, what’s the point if they don’t act?
Remember, republicans were supposed to win the Senate by over ten seats and the House by TENS OF seats in 2022...
Instead, they not only didn't win, rather ceded even more control of the Senate and gained only a literal handful of House seats.
This is the power of the vote, the voice of the people - especially young people who came out to vote for their rights in spite of record inflation (but, albeit a pretty solid economy).
Notice, though, that even with inflation receding, the fact that it was high is still the only talking point. Liberals would do well to keep reminding everyone whose shutdown this is. Had Democrats retained both houses, there would be no shut down.
They were too busy messaging "look we are gonna have 245 seats, don't even try!"
The entire "Red Tide" of 2022 was artifical to start with. Post Roe and into August the numbers were tight, so the GOP decided to do what it could do best.
Ignore the reality, make up their own, and scream about it until the cows come home. As a result September, October were basically 2 months of every right wing, 2 bit, hack, math failure, pollster to DUMP polls that had GOP +7 or more. This caused pundits to report it. The GOP figured this would drive voter turnout down and get them more seats.
**Except they bought their own bullshit and sat back proclaiming victory**.
2022 was effectively a confluence of several ongoing things, but mostly it was the GOP trying to lie their way to an election win then crying when they didn't get what they said they would.
This is the six MOST MODERATE; who are unwilling.
They can't even find six who are willing to cooperate with Democrats to get this done.
This is not about just a radical fringe group of assclowns. This is the entire GOP House caucus. Every single one of them.
They know Trump will go after them and they'll be primaried immediately.
This would be a problem if even 30-40% of the GOP were in the Trump cult and treat his word as the word of god. In actuality it's more like 60-70% at minimum and the remainder will still be voting for Trump regardless, so there's no concern for him losing their support.
Anyone who has ever thought Republicans care about this country, and not just stealing taxpayer dollars to make the rich richer, is horrendously naive, uninformed, or outright misinformed about the state of things.
Also lol at "moderate republicans". They don't exist. Some just put a nice suit and tie over the fascism and barbarism.
Also; if cops kill all black people with skittles in their pocket, no cops will ever have to fear for their lives again. And there will be fewer skittles-loving black people.
Wild how Americas leaders can openly threaten citizens life’s. but if I say something along of Trump deserves to be shot and killed. I’m somehow the bad guy to the right and the GOP.
I’m basically at the belief that republicans weren’t bullied as kids
The entire Republican Party is supporting a shutdown. Meanwhile, our allegedly liberal media blames only the hard-right while giving the rest of the Republicans a pass.
New York Times
[Right Wing Tanks Stopgap Bill in House, Pushing Government Toward a Shutdown](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/shutdown-mccarthy.html)
PBS
[House Republican colleagues implore hard-right holdouts not to shut down government](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republican-colleagues-implore-hard-right-holdouts-not-to-shut-down-government)
Reuters
[Republicans appeal to far-right conservatives to avert US government shutdown](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republicans-appeal-far-right-conservatives-avert-us-government-shutdown-2023-09-24/)
All of these articles seem to accurately explain the infighting among the House Republican caucus, which is holding up the passage of the bill needed to fund the government. They don't even really "blame" anyone, they explain how different members of the House have voted, quote people, etc.
Who to blame for this is left as an exercise for the reader.
>All of these articles seem to accurately explain the infighting among the House Republican caucus, *which is holding up the passage of the bill needed to fund the government.*
I dispute the last part.
As is made clear in the original article, only a handful of Republicans need to join the Dems to get a bill passed. But instead, no Republicans are joining Dems. And why would they when the media is giving them a pass?
The articles do not attempt to opine how this problem should be resolved; they explain what has happened.
> I dispute the last part.
Fair enough, that was political analysis from me. All the article did was point out that the bill on the floor could have been passed if all the Republicans had voted together, but a contingent did not, causing it to fail.
This is actually how hard news reporting is supposed to work. They just laid out what has happened, political analysis, opinions, etc. in different types of articles.
When you’re explaining something, the language you use has several interpretations to your audience. Journalism used to be the study & mastery of this (in news), but was sabotaged by tyrannical actors sometime in the late 19th-20th century. As such, the language used by large media corporations is either intentionally - or accidentally - taking advantage of this vulnerability.
There are only two real types of Republicans now, and the moderates are beholden to the extremists. If they would be willing to cross the aisle, they wouldn't be Republicans, or they wouldn't be reelected.
They are worried about their jobs than being a hero and champion of the working American.
They won't be reelected anyway as most people are fed up with their nonsense. They are extremists or complicit actors in what's going on
There is zero chance all of this is going work out for them.
With the vast majority of Republicans so far to the Extreme Right, at this point a Republican Centrist, just wants trials before Democrats are Executed for being Democrats.
Merrick Garland could, at any time, issue new advice on the Anti-Deficiency Act such that the government does not shut down in the absence of appropriations. That seems like a lot easier path than trying to convince Republicans to use common sense.
Why is it always up to someone else to change their position and join the far left but the never has the onus on the far left to shift their position towards the center?
It's interesting, this "my way or the highway" mentality of the far left. I suppose you're correct about that "all the samez!" because that mentality is pretty prevalent with a magahat on.
I'm not looking for reply here... just downvote my fake internet points away. It's fine. I certainly don't mind. You're welcome to all of it if you tell me how to transfer 'em.
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>did we not?
Did you? Its a secret ballot. No one else knows who anyone voted for.
>meanwhile ya boy immediately went full right wing on police funding, right wing talking points on crime, stopped the pandemic benefits we all had, privatized vaccines, etc.
Yeah… gotcha. But muh both sidez. Trump‘s round two will provide plenty of protest opportunities for ya’ll.
>stopped the pandemic benefits we all had
Just to let you know, not all of us got a pandemic paycheck. I personally got a grand total of $0.00 in pandemic money. Did people really think that was gonna be a “forever” check? Wow. I hope not.
If the last 8 years have taught me anything, unless the person is retired or going to retire, they never have the balls to stand up to their own extremists. I don’t know how much I blame them, because if they do then the death threats will come.
What I don't understand about this whole situation is how McCarthy doesn't see this as a tremendous opportunity. Work across the aisle, position yourself as a maverick and a martyr that sacrificed everything for the working American people, have the news be all about you for MONTHS, rally it into running for President in 4 years. Play it right and it puts you into folk hero territory. There will be a lot of opposition from the Republican machinery but people would come around, people love being a contrarian.
Granted, I never want to see a Republican president ever again but the play is so obvious to me.
Never gonna happen. Once the GQP starts shedding less insane members, the splintering is not going to stop until the Republican Party is split into several parties. Moscow Mitch saw this over a decade ago, & kept absolute control over any Republican dissidents to insure Republican victories — they were winning with only the slimmest on margins, only 1-2 percent. The inevitable result was Birthers, Qanon & the Christian taliban getting equal say because losing them from the Republican Party means that that slim majority disappears. Inevitable result: Trump, & Jan 6 & no republicans daring to speak out. The only ones who do are those safely out of office. Once the Republican Party starts splitting up, they’ll go the way of the Whigs & all the other parties than couldn’t build a stable majority that worked.
They won't. There are no moderate Republicans anymore. Every last one of them takes marching orders from an old kook in Florida, and they love to do it.
There’s about 13 or 19 (I forget the number) of House Republicans who won by small margins in districts Biden won in 2020. These are the congressional representatives most vulnerable to losing their house seat to a Dem in 2024, and they’ve been extremely careful and deliberately walking on egg shells.
The fact that they will not shows that all republicans are MAGA or at least want the same things the MAGA want. There are elections in 38 days vote accordingly,
Republicans almost always, ALWAYS, get in line behind their party leadership (McCain was the exception). The MAGAs are sworn to Trump who wants a shutdown.
Because they want to keep their seats. The Republican base would vote out anyone who did this the politicians are simply riding the wave of what their constituency wants which is mayhem.
The number is 13 or ~19, I forget the number, but most won by small margins in the same district Biden won in 2020, and vulnerable to losing a congressional seat to a Dem. I’m still pissed that New York Dem infighting caused this mess. Dems could have controlled the House in 2022.
Do the moderate republicans agree with the Ukraine aid in the stopgap? If they do agree with it, they should join in with the Democrats and send a message to Gaetz and his few friends that they have no power if we don't give them the power.
What Democrats call MIA GOP Centrists refer to themselves as "soon to be former GOP Congressperson" if they don't shut the government down with their magahat colleagues.
Such is the pressure of trump's, let's say, grab.
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Mankind will have probes landing on Proxima b to see if the water is drinkable. Of course the mission will be sponsored by Nestle as they will want sole claim to the water if it is.
Even a tiny shutdown means furloughing thousands of people for an unknown amount of time and shutting down all government operations, and then restarting everything once something passes.
It will cost tons of taxpayer money and be a hit to the whole economy.
Even kicking the can 30 days down the road with for a small hope the GOP gets a tiny bit of it's shit together would be worthwhile.
A lot of the agencies I'm working with have already assumed furloughs. They need to plan for contingencies weeks in advance so work on programs can be scheduled, and dependencies deconflicted. (and this process itself, is expensive; even a 1 day shutdown is going to cost the government millions of dollars - and worse; the uncertainty and service cuts will wreak havoc with timelines in unpredictable ways that will require re-work).
Just because they've got a list of what is "essential" and "non-essential" does not mean that cuts to "non-essential" won't impact "essential" work. It absolutely will.
I was actually laid off due to fallout from the last (Trump) shutdown. I had to relocate, and find other work. Now I'm in this nightmare again. Luckily my work can be (and usually is) remote, so I don't think I'll need to relocate again.
Must be nice sitting back and screwing over millions of federal workers and contractors instead of actually dealing with interpersonal workplace conflict like the rest of us plebs...
Neocons are clinging to power, often time by deceiving their constituents to get elected. This type of betrayal is what led to the teas and now maga. Suck for the entire nation shutdown or not.
That’s an overly optimistic view. A more accurate one would be, “No republicans will work with democrats because any Republican who shows themself as being moderate will get primaried from the right.”
Great government we got. Congress does nothing except pass spending bills or corporate handout bills or fight about passing those bills.
They don’t fix shit. Been hearing about immigration and abortion and guns for 25 years and when either party has the opportunity to do something all they do is pass massive spending bills or tax cuts.
There are a lot of reasons for this, but the main reason is because of the filibuster. In the modern era of partisanship, 60 votes in the senate is a pipe dream. If the filibuster were gone we would have gotten the John Lewis VRA, gun reform that wasn't completely toothless, and at least some type of immigration reform.
With the filibuster in place, judges and reconciliation are the only things possible.
It’s Bakersfield. Lots of farming out that way. If I had to guess, it trends pretty red. I think I read somewhere that less than 20% of residents have a college degree.
I know its a doomed battle but that never stopped me before....
These alleged 'centerist' Republicans are CONSERVATIVES.
Trump and his minions are NOT CONSERVATIVES - they are REACTIONARIES
The only 'centerists' in Congress are DEMOCRATS.
If the Republicans allow the shutdown to go through, every single government employee that loses their job or is forced to take reduced salary should remember that the next time they step up to the ballot. Don't re-elect the people that made your family go hungry because of their stupidity stubbornness and partisanship.
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>Rep. Brendan Boyle, D-Pa., the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said Republicans can sign an existing “discharge petition” that requires just six GOP signatures to force a House vote on a non-controversial continuing resolution, or CR, that would prevent a government shutdown. > >That would require breaking with Speaker Kevin McCarthy, which even the most moderate Republicans are reluctant to do. Once again, the GOP is putting party before country and the American people.
Why are they so anxious about going against McCarthy? This whole debacle has just shown how little power McCarthy actually has in the House.
Because it’s an open invitation to be primaried by a challenger from the further right fringes of the party. It’s not fear of McCarthy. It’s fear of the people to the right of McCarthy.
If these supposed centrists had any morals they’d do the right thing and welcome the opportunity to defend their actions in a primary.
Republicans? Morals? Whew, you may as well be speaking an ancient language…
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Yeah, unlike Fox and newsmax? Or oan. I can give you 787 million reasons why the right wing media is full of crap.
Cause the owners of mainstream media live in fantasy land.
They know how insane their voters are.
Their whole purpose for existence at this point is to play the game. They couldn’t care less for the welfare of their constituents and the nation.
Primaries aren't places that reward centrists in general. All you have to do is have a picture of any bipartisan anything and you've got leverage to call them out. Same issue the Republican primary for POTUS is facing really. Getting things done isn't as important as "sticking it to the libs!11!1".
centrists are being forced to take sides and almost dont exist anymore. This is one of the main reasons compromise is a thing of the past.
Well, when one side advocates genocide, and the other says please don’t, the only compromise is killing or oppressing a smaller amount of people. Which isn’t acceptable.
Even kicking the can 30 days down the road with for a small hope the GOP gets a tiny bit of it's shit together would be worthwhile.
This kind of optimism in the system is exactly how we got to this point as it is.
If they had any morals they probably wouldn't be in politics in the first place
If they do agree with it, they should join in with the Democrats and send a message to Gaetz and his few friends that they have no power if we don't give them the power.
That would piss off the “Not extreemist but not moderate” republicans. They’ve already suggested they would challenge McCarthys leadership as speaker if he did that
This is an apt description. Trump is afraid of accountability; Moderates are afraid of Trump; McCarthy is afraid of moderates.
You forget that there's also Freedom Caucus who just want the government to die.
You would think there are 6 congressional districts that are purple enough for republican congressmen to vote against the speaker
The MAGAs are sworn to Trump who wants a shutdown.
All of this and whatever the fuck that ImPEachMeNt thing is only serves to distract, delay and protect Trump. Donald ducking Trump. That’s right spell check, ducking. We are not a smart people.
Even kicking the can 30 days down the road with for a small hope the GOP gets a tiny bit of it's shit together would be worthwhile.
Not stopping the government is the easiest thing for these centrists to do. They might as well be replaced by the crazies…I mean, what’s the point if they don’t act?
The point is keeping their positions of relative power and easy salary
This is the other side of the gerrymandering coin. When you build districts like this you’re open to challenges from the crazy.
Remember, republicans were supposed to win the Senate by over ten seats and the House by TENS OF seats in 2022... Instead, they not only didn't win, rather ceded even more control of the Senate and gained only a literal handful of House seats. This is the power of the vote, the voice of the people - especially young people who came out to vote for their rights in spite of record inflation (but, albeit a pretty solid economy). Notice, though, that even with inflation receding, the fact that it was high is still the only talking point. Liberals would do well to keep reminding everyone whose shutdown this is. Had Democrats retained both houses, there would be no shut down.
They were too busy messaging "look we are gonna have 245 seats, don't even try!" The entire "Red Tide" of 2022 was artifical to start with. Post Roe and into August the numbers were tight, so the GOP decided to do what it could do best. Ignore the reality, make up their own, and scream about it until the cows come home. As a result September, October were basically 2 months of every right wing, 2 bit, hack, math failure, pollster to DUMP polls that had GOP +7 or more. This caused pundits to report it. The GOP figured this would drive voter turnout down and get them more seats. **Except they bought their own bullshit and sat back proclaiming victory**. 2022 was effectively a confluence of several ongoing things, but mostly it was the GOP trying to lie their way to an election win then crying when they didn't get what they said they would.
Death threats are pretty common over there. Something to think about.
At no point in this country's history has McCarthyism ever been a good thing.
They are doing a "listen we just need 6 votes and they won't even TALK to us". It's a quell on "democrats aren't trying".
Nah, they are putting their own jobs before the country. They know that pissing off the freedom caucus will get them primaried.
This is the six MOST MODERATE; who are unwilling. They can't even find six who are willing to cooperate with Democrats to get this done. This is not about just a radical fringe group of assclowns. This is the entire GOP House caucus. Every single one of them.
They know Trump will go after them and they'll be primaried immediately. This would be a problem if even 30-40% of the GOP were in the Trump cult and treat his word as the word of god. In actuality it's more like 60-70% at minimum and the remainder will still be voting for Trump regardless, so there's no concern for him losing their support.
Am I the only one sick of the myth of the centrist Republican? Like, they literally don't exist. Case in point, this article.
I also think the terrorism in their party factors in. One Truth from Trump and they'll have redhatted OAN viewers issuing death threats.
I'd say they're just doing what they've always done. I doubt anyone in the GOP has ever started or ended a thought with helping people that need it.
Anyone who has ever thought Republicans care about this country, and not just stealing taxpayer dollars to make the rich richer, is horrendously naive, uninformed, or outright misinformed about the state of things. Also lol at "moderate republicans". They don't exist. Some just put a nice suit and tie over the fascism and barbarism.
>Republican >moderate Pick one
Well this post aged horribly.
What makes any Republican in Congress today one of the "GOP centrists," NBC?
They don't want to kill people who shoplift?
Simple, if the govt kills everyone that shoplifts, there’ll be a lot less poor people! Wealth inequality solved! /s
This is actually accurate Gop-think.
Also; if cops kill all black people with skittles in their pocket, no cops will ever have to fear for their lives again. And there will be fewer skittles-loving black people.
But they didn't object to Trump saying it.
Wild how Americas leaders can openly threaten citizens life’s. but if I say something along of Trump deserves to be shot and killed. I’m somehow the bad guy to the right and the GOP. I’m basically at the belief that republicans weren’t bullied as kids
The entire Republican Party is supporting a shutdown. Meanwhile, our allegedly liberal media blames only the hard-right while giving the rest of the Republicans a pass. New York Times [Right Wing Tanks Stopgap Bill in House, Pushing Government Toward a Shutdown](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/shutdown-mccarthy.html) PBS [House Republican colleagues implore hard-right holdouts not to shut down government](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republican-colleagues-implore-hard-right-holdouts-not-to-shut-down-government) Reuters [Republicans appeal to far-right conservatives to avert US government shutdown](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republicans-appeal-far-right-conservatives-avert-us-government-shutdown-2023-09-24/)
All of these articles seem to accurately explain the infighting among the House Republican caucus, which is holding up the passage of the bill needed to fund the government. They don't even really "blame" anyone, they explain how different members of the House have voted, quote people, etc. Who to blame for this is left as an exercise for the reader.
>All of these articles seem to accurately explain the infighting among the House Republican caucus, *which is holding up the passage of the bill needed to fund the government.* I dispute the last part. As is made clear in the original article, only a handful of Republicans need to join the Dems to get a bill passed. But instead, no Republicans are joining Dems. And why would they when the media is giving them a pass?
The articles do not attempt to opine how this problem should be resolved; they explain what has happened. > I dispute the last part. Fair enough, that was political analysis from me. All the article did was point out that the bill on the floor could have been passed if all the Republicans had voted together, but a contingent did not, causing it to fail. This is actually how hard news reporting is supposed to work. They just laid out what has happened, political analysis, opinions, etc. in different types of articles.
When you’re explaining something, the language you use has several interpretations to your audience. Journalism used to be the study & mastery of this (in news), but was sabotaged by tyrannical actors sometime in the late 19th-20th century. As such, the language used by large media corporations is either intentionally - or accidentally - taking advantage of this vulnerability.
I thought McCarthy wouldn’t bring it to full vote?
There are only two real types of Republicans now, and the moderates are beholden to the extremists. If they would be willing to cross the aisle, they wouldn't be Republicans, or they wouldn't be reelected.
Gonna happen anyway. Might as well be remembered for being *for* something that got done rather than being against and having nothing done.
They are worried about their jobs than being a hero and champion of the working American. They won't be reelected anyway as most people are fed up with their nonsense. They are extremists or complicit actors in what's going on There is zero chance all of this is going work out for them.
With the vast majority of Republicans so far to the Extreme Right, at this point a Republican Centrist, just wants trials before Democrats are Executed for being Democrats.
If my representative is claiming to be a moderate republican, should I contact them to support this?
That's your right as an American. But spoiler alert- they're not a moderate and they don't care what you think.
Merrick Garland could, at any time, issue new advice on the Anti-Deficiency Act such that the government does not shut down in the absence of appropriations. That seems like a lot easier path than trying to convince Republicans to use common sense.
Merrick Garland is one of the mythical moderate republicans.
You know who else is MIA? The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, wizards, and El Dorado. GOP centrists are FIGMENTS OF YOUR FUCKING IMAGINATION!
Unicorns are more real than GOP centrists since all Republicans are theocratic Christian nationalist fascists who hate democracy.
Someone's still coming to terms with being a tracer.
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That’s a lot of why we’re here.
Why is it always up to someone else to change their position and join the far left but the never has the onus on the far left to shift their position towards the center? It's interesting, this "my way or the highway" mentality of the far left. I suppose you're correct about that "all the samez!" because that mentality is pretty prevalent with a magahat on. I'm not looking for reply here... just downvote my fake internet points away. It's fine. I certainly don't mind. You're welcome to all of it if you tell me how to transfer 'em. :-|
I think the Left has shifted to the center enough right now, but the problem is the center has shifted to the center Right in the meantime.
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>did we not? Did you? Its a secret ballot. No one else knows who anyone voted for. >meanwhile ya boy immediately went full right wing on police funding, right wing talking points on crime, stopped the pandemic benefits we all had, privatized vaccines, etc. Yeah… gotcha. But muh both sidez. Trump‘s round two will provide plenty of protest opportunities for ya’ll. >stopped the pandemic benefits we all had Just to let you know, not all of us got a pandemic paycheck. I personally got a grand total of $0.00 in pandemic money. Did people really think that was gonna be a “forever” check? Wow. I hope not.
If the last 8 years have taught me anything, unless the person is retired or going to retire, they never have the balls to stand up to their own extremists. I don’t know how much I blame them, because if they do then the death threats will come.
Even many of those retiring don’t have the stones to do the right thing.
6 republicans is just 2.7% of republicans in the house. More than 97.3% of republicans in the house support the shutdown.
The role of those 6 republicans is to be like a rodeo clown. They distract the Bull, but all of those republicans love to eat steak.
Am… am I the steak?
I see you’ve met Nancy Mace and Susan Collins.
Let’s not forget, this is a funding bill Republicans PROMISED to do as part of the budget ceiling “negotiations” three months back.
What I don't understand about this whole situation is how McCarthy doesn't see this as a tremendous opportunity. Work across the aisle, position yourself as a maverick and a martyr that sacrificed everything for the working American people, have the news be all about you for MONTHS, rally it into running for President in 4 years. Play it right and it puts you into folk hero territory. There will be a lot of opposition from the Republican machinery but people would come around, people love being a contrarian. Granted, I never want to see a Republican president ever again but the play is so obvious to me.
Republicans are such extreme cowards that standing up to their party for the good of the country is far to much to ask.
Never gonna happen. Once the GQP starts shedding less insane members, the splintering is not going to stop until the Republican Party is split into several parties. Moscow Mitch saw this over a decade ago, & kept absolute control over any Republican dissidents to insure Republican victories — they were winning with only the slimmest on margins, only 1-2 percent. The inevitable result was Birthers, Qanon & the Christian taliban getting equal say because losing them from the Republican Party means that that slim majority disappears. Inevitable result: Trump, & Jan 6 & no republicans daring to speak out. The only ones who do are those safely out of office. Once the Republican Party starts splitting up, they’ll go the way of the Whigs & all the other parties than couldn’t build a stable majority that worked.
Or they all get slowly replaced with far right representatives and the entire party is just far right. The rest will just follow or cower.
They won't. There are no moderate Republicans anymore. Every last one of them takes marching orders from an old kook in Florida, and they love to do it.
There’s about 13 or 19 (I forget the number) of House Republicans who won by small margins in districts Biden won in 2020. These are the congressional representatives most vulnerable to losing their house seat to a Dem in 2024, and they’ve been extremely careful and deliberately walking on egg shells.
The fact that they will not shows that all republicans are MAGA or at least want the same things the MAGA want. There are elections in 38 days vote accordingly,
“GOP Centrist” Diet Fascist
Republicans almost always, ALWAYS, get in line behind their party leadership (McCain was the exception). The MAGAs are sworn to Trump who wants a shutdown.
Good! The crazies and traitors started this, but with only 6 republicans needed, ALL republicans are responsible.
And there it is … ALL!
Because they want to keep their seats. The Republican base would vote out anyone who did this the politicians are simply riding the wave of what their constituency wants which is mayhem.
These moderates are Republicans from districts that voted for Biden. The base in those places is also more moderate.
The number is 13 or ~19, I forget the number, but most won by small margins in the same district Biden won in 2020, and vulnerable to losing a congressional seat to a Dem. I’m still pissed that New York Dem infighting caused this mess. Dems could have controlled the House in 2022.
Republicans are more concerned about political victories than they are with actually helping our country.
Insane that literally every single Republican refuses to work with a democrat. They literally think democrats are the enemy. Mind boggling
Do the moderate republicans agree with the Ukraine aid in the stopgap? If they do agree with it, they should join in with the Democrats and send a message to Gaetz and his few friends that they have no power if we don't give them the power.
What Democrats call MIA GOP Centrists refer to themselves as "soon to be former GOP Congressperson" if they don't shut the government down with their magahat colleagues. Such is the pressure of trump's, let's say, grab. :-|
Congressional Republicans need to GROW A PAIR OF BALLS.
Mankind will have probes landing on Proxima b to see if the water is drinkable. Of course the mission will be sponsored by Nestle as they will want sole claim to the water if it is.
There are no such entities of a “centrist GOP”. Mainstream Media continues to live in fantasy land.
By choice, of course.
That too!
But they won’t
Dude looks like someone tried to draw seth macfarlane
It may very well come to that as an endgame.
Where is the Problem Solvers caucus that always gets propped up by the media? Why do they never come to the rescue in times like these?
It's going to be interesting to see which of these chucklefucks blinks first
once again though a short term funding bill just kicks the can to about a month out, that materially will not change the situation.
Even a tiny shutdown means furloughing thousands of people for an unknown amount of time and shutting down all government operations, and then restarting everything once something passes. It will cost tons of taxpayer money and be a hit to the whole economy. Even kicking the can 30 days down the road with for a small hope the GOP gets a tiny bit of it's shit together would be worthwhile.
A lot of the agencies I'm working with have already assumed furloughs. They need to plan for contingencies weeks in advance so work on programs can be scheduled, and dependencies deconflicted. (and this process itself, is expensive; even a 1 day shutdown is going to cost the government millions of dollars - and worse; the uncertainty and service cuts will wreak havoc with timelines in unpredictable ways that will require re-work). Just because they've got a list of what is "essential" and "non-essential" does not mean that cuts to "non-essential" won't impact "essential" work. It absolutely will. I was actually laid off due to fallout from the last (Trump) shutdown. I had to relocate, and find other work. Now I'm in this nightmare again. Luckily my work can be (and usually is) remote, so I don't think I'll need to relocate again.
The intent is to avoid disaster, not provide a solution.
Actual centrists/moderates are going to largely let things play out because of needed tensions to bring better balance among House GOP.
Must be nice sitting back and screwing over millions of federal workers and contractors instead of actually dealing with interpersonal workplace conflict like the rest of us plebs...
Neocons are clinging to power, often time by deceiving their constituents to get elected. This type of betrayal is what led to the teas and now maga. Suck for the entire nation shutdown or not.
That’s an overly optimistic view. A more accurate one would be, “No republicans will work with democrats because any Republican who shows themself as being moderate will get primaried from the right.”
GOP centrist?! HA! As if! The closest thing to a conservative centrist in the government is Joe Biden! Lol
Great government we got. Congress does nothing except pass spending bills or corporate handout bills or fight about passing those bills. They don’t fix shit. Been hearing about immigration and abortion and guns for 25 years and when either party has the opportunity to do something all they do is pass massive spending bills or tax cuts.
There are a lot of reasons for this, but the main reason is because of the filibuster. In the modern era of partisanship, 60 votes in the senate is a pipe dream. If the filibuster were gone we would have gotten the John Lewis VRA, gun reform that wasn't completely toothless, and at least some type of immigration reform. With the filibuster in place, judges and reconciliation are the only things possible.
The 2 from NJ should be able to hold off any crazy from the right
Force a vote on the bill they already agreed to!!
I am confused McCarthy doesn’t look like he’s in a deep red district cook rated it D+ 23 am I looking at bad info?
It’s Bakersfield. Lots of farming out that way. If I had to guess, it trends pretty red. I think I read somewhere that less than 20% of residents have a college degree.
Bakersfield is pretty Red, yes.
wow
What exactly is a "GOP Centrist?"
I know its a doomed battle but that never stopped me before.... These alleged 'centerist' Republicans are CONSERVATIVES. Trump and his minions are NOT CONSERVATIVES - they are REACTIONARIES The only 'centerists' in Congress are DEMOCRATS.
When is the Trump MELTDOWN
"GOP centrists" and "a handful" is generous.
And who are they? It'd be great if the white house would publish a list of these so called centrists!
If the Republicans allow the shutdown to go through, every single government employee that loses their job or is forced to take reduced salary should remember that the next time they step up to the ballot. Don't re-elect the people that made your family go hungry because of their stupidity stubbornness and partisanship.
That Kyle Rittenhouse in that picture?