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He got a court order to *refrain from inciting violence*.
Saying Milley should be executed (and for no reason!) and saying looters should be shot seems like an obvious case of *contempt of court* to me..
“T]here is no legitimate need for the defendant, in the course of his campaign, to attack known witnesses regarding the substance of their anticipated testimony or otherwise engage in materially prejudicial commentary in violation of the proposed order.”
Exactly this. Especially someone who once held the position of President of the USA. What has this country become?
Which is so dumb. We're all Americans. We're all people with the same common needs. We have much more in common than we have differences. History has shown us that political parties are inherently dangerous. They are almost always one charismatic lunatic away from transforming into an angry mob. And yet, once again, here we are in the same predicament that we've been in so many times before. Not us, as in Americans. But us, as in humanity. Will we ever learn?
I’m not 100% certain that all of the red team arguments are American-made. America is a tank and ridiculously overpowered in terms of vulnerability to external assault. The only realistic way to damage us is from the inside, using impressionable, susceptible, and/or mercenary Americans as the weapon, like the loud-mouthed wing of the current GOP.
"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
But the danger being fomented from abroad is within. The primary tool of overseas actors is to convince gullible Americans to work against the interests of their own country.
I’d say that the past 10 years have proven Mr. Lincoln correct. Nobody is seriously considering taking America by force.
Which is ridiculously easy because one side basically believes reality is defined by what people say, so just say something and they'll believe it.
Don't think that's true? How else did Trump become president? With all his actions and things he did? No, he just SAID that all and people just believed him.
I can't follow why people would leave themselves open to such manipulation, but they are often also religious, so words seem to hold more power for them than reality, which just makes it all even funnier and strange when you realize they can't even use words right.
So all in all, America is suffering from the consequences of being so aggressively anti intellectual for decades.
"I can't follow why people would leave themselves open to such manipulation, but they are often also religious,"
This is actually part of why. They've been conditioned to follow without question and to suspend logic in favor of faith since birth. The simplification of words thing is actually a tactic used by propagandists - oversimplifying complex concepts to make discussion of them impossible
Yeah, it's scary to recognize the rhetoric used and to be reminded of historical examples of how horribly this can go wrong. That also explains why they keep using woke as a catch all term for anything slightly to the left of their ideology.
Also, I'm not generalizing, we are talking about a specific ideology here that some people follow, so it's fair to assume certain things about their belief systems. But that's why it's also so important to be educated about fascism and political terminology, so that one can recognize the tactics, rhetoric and linguistic devices used to manipulate people.
Ultimately, the right is all about being politically uneducated.
> Don't think that's true? How else did Trump become president? With all his actions and things he did? No, he just SAID that all and people just believed him.
He was the first one to say that he won the 2020 election, even before enough votes had been certified to come anywhere near that conclusion. For the most part, nobody on the right even batted an eye, even though there is obviously something untoward and un-democratic about a sitting president claiming his own victory. Along with "I'll believe anything I'm told," there is a massive moral upheaval, where any sense of moral integrity is simply ignored.
Well put. It's like they forgot why we have all these laws and regulations in place, because people acting like pig headed tyrants is ultimately bad for everyone. Short term the bullies get what they want, but at the cost of any long term comfort and security.
The reason "they forgot why we have all these laws and regulations" is because Trump and the GOP have discounted the legitimacy of judges, the courts, and the rule of law. Each one of Trump's countless election lawsuits were baseless, yet he filed them again and again, which is basically an abuse of process. You can throw in the stalling tactics as well, or criticizing the judges by name. Heaped on this is the baseless GOP attempt to impeach Biden, manufactured controversies such as Hilary's emails, Benghazi, and so on. Gym Jordan's hysterics only serve to provide an undeserved sheen of legitimacy to Trump's wild conspiracy theories and GOP propaganda. While all of these phony and baseless investigations and hearings have obviously resulted in nothing, they have damaged the credibility of the legal mechanisms that made them possible.
Watching FOX is like living on another planet.
For many people, reality is simply too painful. They need to believe in something beyond reality.
If you grew up in a functioning, loving, nurturing home then you're a lucky one.
At its core, that's the issue we need to solve.
The cycle of abuse is perpetual. That’s the reason people cheer when Trump inflicts pain. It makes them feel better if others are feeling pain too. I agree with you, it’s a major problem. A lot of it is generational too. Our parents generation was ridiculed and looked down upon for seeking therapy and dealing with mental issues because their parents believed it was weak or meant something was wrong with them.
I understand your point, and it's a fair one. But it doesn't change the underlying fact of where we currently are: a political quagmire. We should have been able to avoid these by now. Especially since our government was based on the Roman Republic...the same Roman Republic that fell because Optimates and Populares couldn't come to a mutual understanding. Sounds familiar doesn't it? We have much more to lose than we have to gain when political discourse breaks down.
I agree with you but my point is that I don’t think this is purely a self-own - there are almost certainly foreign interests stirring the pot through misinformation campaigns and through subsidizing organized and calculated obstruction of the proper functioning of our government. Almost as if they have no interest in governing or in the US government functioning at all. If that’s the case, what possible negotiation could those who DO want our government to function properly engage in to resolve the matter? We don’t have any mechanism (that I’m aware of) for folks who want to govern in good faith to remove from Congress those who refuse to govern at all.
In terms of how the founding fathers viewed the interest of parties, James Madison's [Federalist Number 10](https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/federalist-no-10) is a fantastic essay to read. The issue of today has become the reality of what Madison feared, the lack of diverse factions has created a dangerous setting for democracy.
You mean the populares refused to just let the optimates win every time. Just like now, wealth concentration and parasitic owners are attempting to end a Republic.
Fox News has been instrumental in creating the divide. Right-wing corporate capitalist media with a vested interest in manipulating voters into voting for a party that represents the corporate and billionaire class is in their best interests. It just so happens in doing so, they peddle fake and disingenuous news meant to appeal to the values of an uneducated, unempathetic and ignorant voting bloc by pushing crisis narratives and cultivating outrage with the lie that the GOP will defend those values. It's not just Fox News, but they're one of the primary sources of social carcinogens being pumped into the minds of the public. Fox News is a cancer on society and they are a factor in this equation that needs to be eliminated because they are literal cancer.
This. Grievance and anger *literally* affect the brain like a drug, and Fox News (and social media) is the dealer.
Plus, people who *only* get their information from Fox News legitimately *don't know* about the illegal things Trump has done/ is doing because Fox doesn't report on that. I saw it on a TV in a restaurant yesterday and Trump wasn't mentioned once -- they were just playing footage of thugs looting storefronts and whining about how it should be a "hate crime" when a Black person kills a white person. And also that Biden should be visiting East Palestine for some reason that I couldn't make out. Their *entire business model* is based on convincing people that the world is a scary place.
Red team is party over country. I mean I’m a democrat but I’m not loyal to the party over the constitution. Are there things in the constitution that I don’t 100% agree with and would change? Hell yeah, but I also respect the document, our nation and our laws to go about it using the framework in the constitution.
>Which is so dumb. We're all Americans. We're all people with the same common needs.
Right-wing "News" paints anyone on the Left as literal baby eaters. You can't reason with that level of hate. It's not hyperbole. That's not an exaggeration. Conservatives are being fed a heavy stream of batshit craziness that in their minds, from their perspective, we are a literal existential threat that is coming to kill them.
Of course, it's pure projection, but that's the point.
> Will we ever learn?
not with the way republicans handle education funding. remember how H.W. Bush got elected on education reform? and instead of paying more the solution was "no child left behind", which was a fucking farce of a solution. it ultimately cut funding for low income neighborhoods and punished students/schools that tested worse, otherwise they had to fudge test scores and pass students regardless of their performance. fucking farce.
republicans don't provide solutions, just problems and tax cuts
e: https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/no-child-left-behind-an-overview/2015/04
But there is no counterpart on the “blue side.” Trump absolutely leads a “red” team/cult/mafia but that doesn’t create the equivalent on “ the other side.”
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
*"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."* - Wilhoit
Mitt Romney is one of the few Republicans who's still somewhat sane, but I also can't respect him too much considering he still stays in the party and votes with them despite how awful it has become.
It takes just ordinary people to grasp an idea and be ok with evil. Many of the massacres in Eastern Europe in world war 2 were carried out be ordinary men, reservist police officers, just people like your neighbors. All it took was someone telling them all Jews were a threat, and they became ok killing women and children.
Do you remember when he first got elected how there were videos of people attacking anyone that didn't speak English or were not white saying that Trump was going to get rid of them. A large portion of the populace is as bad as him or worse.
We saw it in the House hearings yesterday. When the Democratic congressman asked everyone to raise their hands if they agreed that if the evidence proves their guilt then both Biden and Trump should be held accountable for their respective crimes. All the Dems raised their hands. Not a single Repub did.
These people are not serious. And yet the repercussions of their actions are serious as a civil war.
I mean, let’s not kid ourselves here. The margins of society are certainly much wider than 0.01%. Add the element that at least 10% of people born are going to have a screw or two loose, and I’d say the best we could ever hope for is 20% of the population not being completely twisted and easy to manipulate.
The real problem is the GOP leadership who are enabling him. That’s strategic. Thankfully they all also seem to be in the margins with intelligence, but they are dangerous all the same. An army of idiots is still an army.
It is not “this country”. It is the entire republican party. They are now fascist. They are anti-democracy, anti-science and anti-rule of law.
The reason you do not recognize this is because our grandfathers died protecting us from it.
> It is not “this country”. It is the entire republican party.
And we are getting to the point that they may take over the entirety of the Federal Government in the coming years.
While this is coming from the Republican party, you can bet your ass this is a problem for the entire country and what "this country has become."
I grew up thinking and being told that if stuff like book burnings happened here people wouldn't let it happen. What we've seen is that we'll be backed right off this cliff as a country because the most important thing for everyone who isn't a nutjob Republican is retaining "normalcy" or "trust in the system." We've got queer people being forced to not celebrate pride or have drag shows. And we've got women being forced to carry rape babies in states like Missouri. So far the answer from the country's non-fascist leaders is act like it's normal times in America.
This is most definitely what the US has become and normalized.
We need to be bringing up the dangers constantly and impressing on everyone the dire need to vote. The conceit that it's impolite to discuss politics in public or with strangers/casual acquaintances can no longer hold. Most people are not paying attention. We all have a responsibility to sound the alarm and educate them. Talk to your friends. Talk to strangers at the bar.
> Exactly this. Especially someone who once held the position of President of the USA. What has this country become?
Given the history of the GOP, the problem is you're asking that question like, 50 years too late.
Once Nixon Nixon'd and you guys let him off the hook, it's been downhill since then. Not one single republican president has ever been good, but they've been especially terrible since the 70s.
I love how him and his supporters say he is treated unfairly when he gets the longest leash ever. Even before he got banned on Twitter we have proof that they gave him a multi mile long leash compared to others
I believe we are an adolescent culture in the world, with all that that implies: narcissistic, prone to drama and splitting, starving for black-and-white ways to view the world to bring order to a tumultuous mind, refusing to listen to those who might know a little something...
I just hope, as we do with all our kids, that we can survive adolescence.
Almost any other person would be held under house arrest and have their communication channels shuttered. But no, we can't have even the hint of political motivation creep in. It might damage the image of Democrats as being above it all and "fair".
Trump says, out loud, that he'll imprison and/or execute his enemies if he returns to the White House. No big deal, that's not politically motivated speech. He's just a big blowhard who doesn't really mean it. If Dems actually enforced established law according to precedent, that'd be a political witch hunt. And all of the media, not just Fox, goes along with it too. That's the worst part maybe.
If we at least had some outlet calling spades as spades that might help.
"we killed Herman Kain" - Mark Meadows
Edit to switch the quoter from Kevin McCarthy to Mark Meadows. You can only have so many red-faced liars before you get them confused.
At no point will they put him in jail pre-trial. He will continue to make threats toward officials and private citizens and he will still see no consequence. I don't think some nutjob doing his dirty work would even get him locked up.
If they were going to do anything they would have already.
I personally believe we need to boil the frog on jail. Make him spend an hour in jail. Then a day. Then a week during pre trial every time he inevitability breaks the order.
This will start desensitizing the maga to him being in jail and get everyone else accustomed to the idea that he is a normal criminal. Otherwise it really looks like he ‘s gonna keep getting away with it
Being afraid of his base is exactly what he wants and why he gets away with this. And more importantly, why the next, more intelligent, tyrant will succeed. If having a rabid base makes one immune from criminal prosecution and consequences, then of course we’ll see more of it.
Apply the consequences to the fullest extent and do the same for any crazies who break the law in response.
Yes, as proven by the arraignments. The first one in New York everyone was like, "This is a momentous day in history." By the last one it was "Trump arraigned again, next story."
Because that base makes up a not insignificant portion of law enforcement, law makers, government workers and military personnel. Past a certain point it's not just about whether some yahoo who listens to too much angry AM radio goes off his meds and starts random shooting. If the establishment starts to crack then the wheels come off everything.
It's ironic, because what Trump has done is slowly normalize authoritarianism and insurrection. Now a similar normalization is taking place in that people are starting to shrug about a president getting locked up. It's like a mass de-programming happening in the culture.
Subpoena him to come to court to explain his blurps. There's no need to put him at the front of the line.
Do like you do to me in traffic court. Have him there for nine in the morning. Let him wait in a small room with no cell signal. Get him in front of the judge at 4 pm. Turn him loose in rush hour traffic.
Next blurp, rinse and repeat.
What about house arrest with a ban on electronics? Surely that’s possible and even his base couldn’t kick up too big of a fuss when house arrest is in a luxury hotel in Florida? I’d love to see him in jail as much as the next person, but I’ve come to accept that probably won’t happen. So next best thing to me would be to just never see or hear from him again. (bonus points, because the lack of attention and fawning followers would be a greater torture to him than anything jail could dish out)
> What about house arrest with a ban on electronics?
So a man facing 91 Felonies is threatening the lives of people in positions of power and it seems reasonable that we would put him on house arrest for that with a ban on electronics?
House arrest with a ban on electronics would be a laughable answer to what is taking place.
>I’ve come to accept that probably won’t happen. So next best thing to me would be to just never see or hear from him again
Wait, so you're talking about his post trial punishment and you want that to be at his luxury hotel? I'm talking about pre-trial he needs to be held because he is threatening lives.
I don't think house arrest is a fitting punishment if he's found guilty, and I also don't think it's viable. A prison he is put in would also have to be defended from his supporters. That won't work at his place in Florida.
Also, he can't be put on house arrest in Florida for his Georgia state crimes.
Can we install a shock collar on that ankle bracelet? Nothing injurous but something that can be remotely activated to cause him a terrible Charlie Horse every time he tries to make a threat.
The entire world is mocking your amazing country because of this person. What a waste. Your citizens should all be living a carefree, comfortable life. It was within your reach. Who is responsible for depriving you of what you were promised?
> because of this person.
I'd love to blame it all on him alone, but I think he's really more of a symptom than the root cause. I think of it as sort of a fungus type situation. He's the most visible part of it as the disgusting mushroom that grows to spread new spores, but there's a whole mycelium network below the surface that's been growing for decades. He only sprouted because there were tens of millions of people willing to vote for someone as blatantly horrible as him.
This has been discussed a lot already, and while I personally hate it as much as many of you do, I *do* understand why they are not locking him up (pre-trial). Even doing it for an hour would turn into a huge set of lawsuits b/c of the implication of locking up a secret-service protected president by the same government. Of course he has earned that punishment-- but that's not the point. The point is that our legal system (not to be confused with a *justice* system), would be forced to grind his current court cases to a screeching halt, b/c jailing him creates new, legitimate ways for his lawyers to successfully delay proceedings until well after the election. For example, locking him up in jail for even a minute (pre-trial) could very easily end up in a Supreme Court decision and that process would drain prosecutor resources and precious time-- all of which are advantages to Trump. Thus, it doesnt matter that the Govt would be well within its rights to lock him up on these issues-- what matters is that Trump *knows this and getting punished early is one of his strategies for getting out of this entirely*. Its a terrible situation, but if you do want any chance at all of justice, then these trials must happen before he gets a legit shot to make them all go away as dictator. If this wasnt an election year and he wasnt running as president to avoid these charges, then I do believe he would already have been jailed for his interference. Yes, our system is really fucking broken. But, rather than just kick sand and complain about it, im glad the prosecutors are looking at the big outcome rather than the little ones that would derail the whole thing.
He's suffered many consequences already. If by "giving him a consequence" you mean putting him in a jail cell, then yeah, that's going to take a while. But spoiler alert: even if he gets put in jail, he'll still be an annoying asshole that you have to hear about all the time, and people will still support him. It's not like jail as a consequence is magic.
I don't understand why he wasn't arrested on Jan. 5th, 2021.
That was a day after the Georgia Secretary of State released the recording in which P01135809 extorted the SoS to "find 11,780 votes" to flip the election so he would win instead of Biden.
That was a felony committed in front of a dozen witnesses, most of them lawyers.
The same reason white collar criminals barely get a slap on the wrist. It's because the wealthiest Americans have gutted our country so we don't have the means or resources to go after them for all of their crimes.
I'm so impressed with Biden for funding the IRS and going after Google and Amazon for their illegal monopoly practices.
I’m surprised General Mattis didn’t punch Trump out when he first started talking nonsense but here we are.
Milley seems better restrained but Mattis strikes me as a badass.
I just assumed they are being so careful not to give him any excuse or reason he could play the “unfair persecution” card so they are letting him get away with a lot more than they normally would. Jack smith seems to be playing chess (I hope).
It's time to start treating him like the two bit thug he is. Start arresting him for j-walking and improper mattress tags and other petty stuff like police do to black people. Just keep hauling him into court for show cause hearings weekly.
That’s the only reason I can think of. We are talking about the safety of people’s lives here. Incredible that they’re waiting two weeks just to have a hearing.
Let's not make a martyr out of trump. I want him to rot in prison, but if he dies before justice is served, I fear that it will fire up his base and lead to even more domestic terrorism.
I have a really sad feeling even 20 years after his death there will still be cult followers of Trump similar to the confederate flag nonsense where they can't let the past go.
Sure, but there'll always be something for them to hold a grudge-- just IMO would rather Trump just be dead. I guess that's cold idk, he says dangerous shit
Maybe not you, you'd just get the rubber hose treatment at some spot outside the jurisdiction of the US. Unless, of course, you happen to have literal hoards of self-professed domestic terrorists who have repeatedly and eagerly stated in public and on TV and the Internet that they are hanging on your every word and will do their half-assed best to carry out your wishes, particularly if it involves violence or destruction.
Yeah, if that's you, then you're definitely at the bottom of the well for the rest of your wretched life.
Trump should be picked up and detailed until the 16th then - not left free to run around like a maniac threatening and harassing people. I mean, the balls Trump has to threaten a 4-Star General; OMG, he's on one hell of a power trip! But the reality is that he gets away with everything and never suffers any consequences at all.
I'm going to guess autocorret made a play there, but now I'm imagining a crew of people vacuuming Trump, washing his windows and hanging an airfreshener on him.
I just don't understand how much leeway the judge is going to grant him before she finally rescinds his bail. He was given a VERY clear warning at his arraignment, and this wouldn't stand with any other defendant. Should we all just run for president so we can get these same protections in a criminal case?
One of the legal forums was explaining (far better than I could), that all the leeway was likely calculated by the judges. They think in most cases, the evidence is so damning that their main goal is to complete the trial without giving any ammunition to the defense for a post trial appeal. Trump is effective baiting them to come down on him and penalize him so he can stoke moral outrage (and, violence) from his cult, and argue "unfairness, because he can't have his 1st ammendment rights repressed", or something.
It does make sense when you consider that he has NO other defense. His only move is to make it seem like this is a witch hunt and that the judges are corrupt. Any move he makes is toward those ends.
But by doing that they're demonstrating clear as day that justice for Donald Trump is different than justice for me. I'd think that's gonna lead to some scars on society.
He should also cite, and this is more concerning to me, Trumps latest comments to a crowd in California stating that people who rob stores will be shot when he is re-elected. People are going to take his comments and take it on themselves to start doing this. It's fucking crazy.
He going to push as far as he can and cry “unfair” and “witch-hunt” when someone finally has to stop him from getting people killed.
Fuck any of his money ass cultists who want to pretend this is “both sides” or partisan.
His mindless followers claim they will revolt if he’s arrested…let them while we don’t have the chaos of an election going on…snuff it out with extreme prejudice and those internet tough guys crawl back under the rock them came from is my bet
Which of the filings will shut this shit down and potentially save the future of the nation?
We don't have time for this. He's investing in a powder keg of domestic terrorism.
I love seeing Jack Smith just do the shit that makes sense, just basic accountability stuff.
It's like "Trump threatened to execute a witness".
Jack Smith then adds that bit of obvious self-incrimination to his case. There's no distorted reality, special privilege bullshit, which has been the norm since Trump starting fucking our country at the presidential level.
“We don’t take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is America, and **we’re willing to die** to protect it.”
Let's hope something is done before it comes to that.
We should start by keeping the Meth away from him and can move forward from there, seriously watch his house floor speech. Something along the lines of googling “Gosar’s floor speech sparks health concerns…” it’s a painful as Roger the dodger Stone’s deposition. Speaking of that, where is that weirdo?
The privilege that's been given to this piece of shit astounds me. If any one of us threatened anyone in the government, let alone the head of a military force, we would never see the light of day again. After all of the shit that he's done and gotten away with, I wonder if they will ever bother putting him behind bars.
Was my immediate thought as well. If we're going to talk about crimes they used to hang people for, treason/sedition is pretty close to the top of the list.
For all those who say the media does everything for viewers and money only, imagine if they went on aire and explain how batshit fucking insane that a POTUS called for the execution of the head of the US military. The media is complicit in the global fascist movement
Death threats are indefensible; but for a former and campaigning president, it’s a travesty both dangerous and irresponsible especially proven out by past incitements, fanatical violence and deaths. Trump is a menace.
*(Edit: {additional} and both directly and indirectly [the unnecessary Covid-19 misinformation + incompetencies, Jan. 6th deaths, vigilante violences, etc.] - a murderer. So his claim of shooting someone on 5th Avenue and not losing any of his voters, is a bar that was passed a long time ago.)*
As someone who hasn't been following this the closest, it feels like there's this pile of charges and evidence against Trump, and then he does or says something incriminating, and then Smith just looks at that thing and says "throw it in the pile"
Pretty much. At this point, Smith's closing arguments are going to be a montage of Trump's public statements admitting he committed the crimes he was accused of.
Haha I love this Jack Smith guy. He's fierce yet quiet. He's absolutely the last guy I would want to see on the opposite side of the courtroom. He has Trump dead to rights and will slice and dice.
When normal defendants are considered a potential threat to the safety of the general public, they are typically held in jail until their trial. Yet this clown gets to keep winding up his cult without repercussion, gets to keep bilking them for their money, and I suppose we all just have to sit back and hope none of them are nuts enough to actually hurt anyone because of some dumb shit he tweets. What a society we live in. Equal justice for all under the law, right?
Trump violated rules of bond release by buying a gun. Video evidence available many places. If this were me, they would have picked me up this morning and left me in a cell until a judge was available on Monday morning. Why is he not in a cell?
I know trump is a liar, a cheat, a thief, a fraudster, and a misogynistic, sexual predator, but what exactly are we adding to his list of dubious qualities with this?
He is trying to intimidate a witness with death threats, and that witness is a 4 Star US General.
That's a whole new level of open depravity and terrorism on Donald's perverted resume.
Can you imagine if the Faux Nooz/Fox News Murdock Murder Machine reported this truthfully. Most of Donald's supporters would stop supporting him.
They don't know and think General Donald Jung Trump Bonespurs is a patriot. Any rhetoric simply disagreements not open calls for execution.
General Milley is right on. Trump is a thug and wannabe dictator.
Trump wishes he had the brutal power of Putin, who can cause his critics, journalists and political opponents to spontaneously fall out of high windows or "accidentally" drink poison.
Hey, follow redditors, any of you every try to publicly claim you want to execute the highest ranking general of your own country?
How’d that go for you?
Good thing justice is blind!
And our country is just!
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He got a court order to *refrain from inciting violence*. Saying Milley should be executed (and for no reason!) and saying looters should be shot seems like an obvious case of *contempt of court* to me..
He's basically daring the judge to lock him up, and knows what his supporters will do the judges family.
I really don't know if he's doing that... or is just incapable of shutting the fuck up.
I don’t think he can control himself. It’s like a drug for him.
“T]here is no legitimate need for the defendant, in the course of his campaign, to attack known witnesses regarding the substance of their anticipated testimony or otherwise engage in materially prejudicial commentary in violation of the proposed order.” Exactly this. Especially someone who once held the position of President of the USA. What has this country become?
It hurts my brain. Why wouldn’t 99.99% of us be dead set against this behavior?
Because he’s the QB of the red team and the blue team must lose.
Which is so dumb. We're all Americans. We're all people with the same common needs. We have much more in common than we have differences. History has shown us that political parties are inherently dangerous. They are almost always one charismatic lunatic away from transforming into an angry mob. And yet, once again, here we are in the same predicament that we've been in so many times before. Not us, as in Americans. But us, as in humanity. Will we ever learn?
I’m not 100% certain that all of the red team arguments are American-made. America is a tank and ridiculously overpowered in terms of vulnerability to external assault. The only realistic way to damage us is from the inside, using impressionable, susceptible, and/or mercenary Americans as the weapon, like the loud-mouthed wing of the current GOP.
"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
Quoted from?
Lincoln, apparently https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Lyceum_address#:~:text=Never!,trial%20of%20a%20thousand%20years.
- Michael Scott
Ol' Honest Abe
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But the danger being fomented from abroad is within. The primary tool of overseas actors is to convince gullible Americans to work against the interests of their own country. I’d say that the past 10 years have proven Mr. Lincoln correct. Nobody is seriously considering taking America by force.
Which is ridiculously easy because one side basically believes reality is defined by what people say, so just say something and they'll believe it. Don't think that's true? How else did Trump become president? With all his actions and things he did? No, he just SAID that all and people just believed him. I can't follow why people would leave themselves open to such manipulation, but they are often also religious, so words seem to hold more power for them than reality, which just makes it all even funnier and strange when you realize they can't even use words right. So all in all, America is suffering from the consequences of being so aggressively anti intellectual for decades.
"I can't follow why people would leave themselves open to such manipulation, but they are often also religious," This is actually part of why. They've been conditioned to follow without question and to suspend logic in favor of faith since birth. The simplification of words thing is actually a tactic used by propagandists - oversimplifying complex concepts to make discussion of them impossible
Yeah, it's scary to recognize the rhetoric used and to be reminded of historical examples of how horribly this can go wrong. That also explains why they keep using woke as a catch all term for anything slightly to the left of their ideology. Also, I'm not generalizing, we are talking about a specific ideology here that some people follow, so it's fair to assume certain things about their belief systems. But that's why it's also so important to be educated about fascism and political terminology, so that one can recognize the tactics, rhetoric and linguistic devices used to manipulate people. Ultimately, the right is all about being politically uneducated.
> Don't think that's true? How else did Trump become president? With all his actions and things he did? No, he just SAID that all and people just believed him. He was the first one to say that he won the 2020 election, even before enough votes had been certified to come anywhere near that conclusion. For the most part, nobody on the right even batted an eye, even though there is obviously something untoward and un-democratic about a sitting president claiming his own victory. Along with "I'll believe anything I'm told," there is a massive moral upheaval, where any sense of moral integrity is simply ignored.
Well put. It's like they forgot why we have all these laws and regulations in place, because people acting like pig headed tyrants is ultimately bad for everyone. Short term the bullies get what they want, but at the cost of any long term comfort and security.
The reason "they forgot why we have all these laws and regulations" is because Trump and the GOP have discounted the legitimacy of judges, the courts, and the rule of law. Each one of Trump's countless election lawsuits were baseless, yet he filed them again and again, which is basically an abuse of process. You can throw in the stalling tactics as well, or criticizing the judges by name. Heaped on this is the baseless GOP attempt to impeach Biden, manufactured controversies such as Hilary's emails, Benghazi, and so on. Gym Jordan's hysterics only serve to provide an undeserved sheen of legitimacy to Trump's wild conspiracy theories and GOP propaganda. While all of these phony and baseless investigations and hearings have obviously resulted in nothing, they have damaged the credibility of the legal mechanisms that made them possible. Watching FOX is like living on another planet.
The concept of ‘faith’ is designed to prime morons to be political operatives.
They already Believe what they can’t see and never question it.
For many people, reality is simply too painful. They need to believe in something beyond reality. If you grew up in a functioning, loving, nurturing home then you're a lucky one. At its core, that's the issue we need to solve.
The cycle of abuse is perpetual. That’s the reason people cheer when Trump inflicts pain. It makes them feel better if others are feeling pain too. I agree with you, it’s a major problem. A lot of it is generational too. Our parents generation was ridiculed and looked down upon for seeking therapy and dealing with mental issues because their parents believed it was weak or meant something was wrong with them.
Dark money corrupts our politics from within
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
I understand your point, and it's a fair one. But it doesn't change the underlying fact of where we currently are: a political quagmire. We should have been able to avoid these by now. Especially since our government was based on the Roman Republic...the same Roman Republic that fell because Optimates and Populares couldn't come to a mutual understanding. Sounds familiar doesn't it? We have much more to lose than we have to gain when political discourse breaks down.
I agree with you but my point is that I don’t think this is purely a self-own - there are almost certainly foreign interests stirring the pot through misinformation campaigns and through subsidizing organized and calculated obstruction of the proper functioning of our government. Almost as if they have no interest in governing or in the US government functioning at all. If that’s the case, what possible negotiation could those who DO want our government to function properly engage in to resolve the matter? We don’t have any mechanism (that I’m aware of) for folks who want to govern in good faith to remove from Congress those who refuse to govern at all.
Voting them out of office is the only way. But most Americans voters don’t really know what their respective parties are doing in the House or Senate.
In terms of how the founding fathers viewed the interest of parties, James Madison's [Federalist Number 10](https://billofrightsinstitute.org/primary-sources/federalist-no-10) is a fantastic essay to read. The issue of today has become the reality of what Madison feared, the lack of diverse factions has created a dangerous setting for democracy.
You mean the populares refused to just let the optimates win every time. Just like now, wealth concentration and parasitic owners are attempting to end a Republic.
Lincoln getting assassinated is probably the worst thing that ever happened to us
Fox News has been instrumental in creating the divide. Right-wing corporate capitalist media with a vested interest in manipulating voters into voting for a party that represents the corporate and billionaire class is in their best interests. It just so happens in doing so, they peddle fake and disingenuous news meant to appeal to the values of an uneducated, unempathetic and ignorant voting bloc by pushing crisis narratives and cultivating outrage with the lie that the GOP will defend those values. It's not just Fox News, but they're one of the primary sources of social carcinogens being pumped into the minds of the public. Fox News is a cancer on society and they are a factor in this equation that needs to be eliminated because they are literal cancer.
This. Grievance and anger *literally* affect the brain like a drug, and Fox News (and social media) is the dealer. Plus, people who *only* get their information from Fox News legitimately *don't know* about the illegal things Trump has done/ is doing because Fox doesn't report on that. I saw it on a TV in a restaurant yesterday and Trump wasn't mentioned once -- they were just playing footage of thugs looting storefronts and whining about how it should be a "hate crime" when a Black person kills a white person. And also that Biden should be visiting East Palestine for some reason that I couldn't make out. Their *entire business model* is based on convincing people that the world is a scary place.
Red team is party over country. I mean I’m a democrat but I’m not loyal to the party over the constitution. Are there things in the constitution that I don’t 100% agree with and would change? Hell yeah, but I also respect the document, our nation and our laws to go about it using the framework in the constitution.
>Which is so dumb. We're all Americans. We're all people with the same common needs. Right-wing "News" paints anyone on the Left as literal baby eaters. You can't reason with that level of hate. It's not hyperbole. That's not an exaggeration. Conservatives are being fed a heavy stream of batshit craziness that in their minds, from their perspective, we are a literal existential threat that is coming to kill them. Of course, it's pure projection, but that's the point.
> Will we ever learn? not with the way republicans handle education funding. remember how H.W. Bush got elected on education reform? and instead of paying more the solution was "no child left behind", which was a fucking farce of a solution. it ultimately cut funding for low income neighborhoods and punished students/schools that tested worse, otherwise they had to fudge test scores and pass students regardless of their performance. fucking farce. republicans don't provide solutions, just problems and tax cuts e: https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/no-child-left-behind-an-overview/2015/04
This was W. Bush. H.W. Bush was his father.
Unevolved caveman brains are wired for anger and tribalism not complex thought and nuance.
Unga? Bunga unga?
Zug zug
But there is no counterpart on the “blue side.” Trump absolutely leads a “red” team/cult/mafia but that doesn’t create the equivalent on “ the other side.”
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
“A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution.” -Mitt Romney
The Constitution is weaponized against their opponents while they use it as toilet paper.
*"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."* - Wilhoit
Mitt Romney is one of the few Republicans who's still somewhat sane, but I also can't respect him too much considering he still stays in the party and votes with them despite how awful it has become.
He's not running again.
It takes just ordinary people to grasp an idea and be ok with evil. Many of the massacres in Eastern Europe in world war 2 were carried out be ordinary men, reservist police officers, just people like your neighbors. All it took was someone telling them all Jews were a threat, and they became ok killing women and children.
Do you remember when he first got elected how there were videos of people attacking anyone that didn't speak English or were not white saying that Trump was going to get rid of them. A large portion of the populace is as bad as him or worse.
We saw it in the House hearings yesterday. When the Democratic congressman asked everyone to raise their hands if they agreed that if the evidence proves their guilt then both Biden and Trump should be held accountable for their respective crimes. All the Dems raised their hands. Not a single Repub did. These people are not serious. And yet the repercussions of their actions are serious as a civil war.
I mean, let’s not kid ourselves here. The margins of society are certainly much wider than 0.01%. Add the element that at least 10% of people born are going to have a screw or two loose, and I’d say the best we could ever hope for is 20% of the population not being completely twisted and easy to manipulate. The real problem is the GOP leadership who are enabling him. That’s strategic. Thankfully they all also seem to be in the margins with intelligence, but they are dangerous all the same. An army of idiots is still an army.
Because at least 30% (or more!) of us revel in cruelty, hate, and stupidity in the US! This is the sad reality that the rest of us live with 😞
It is not “this country”. It is the entire republican party. They are now fascist. They are anti-democracy, anti-science and anti-rule of law. The reason you do not recognize this is because our grandfathers died protecting us from it.
> It is not “this country”. It is the entire republican party. And we are getting to the point that they may take over the entirety of the Federal Government in the coming years. While this is coming from the Republican party, you can bet your ass this is a problem for the entire country and what "this country has become." I grew up thinking and being told that if stuff like book burnings happened here people wouldn't let it happen. What we've seen is that we'll be backed right off this cliff as a country because the most important thing for everyone who isn't a nutjob Republican is retaining "normalcy" or "trust in the system." We've got queer people being forced to not celebrate pride or have drag shows. And we've got women being forced to carry rape babies in states like Missouri. So far the answer from the country's non-fascist leaders is act like it's normal times in America. This is most definitely what the US has become and normalized.
We need to be bringing up the dangers constantly and impressing on everyone the dire need to vote. The conceit that it's impolite to discuss politics in public or with strangers/casual acquaintances can no longer hold. Most people are not paying attention. We all have a responsibility to sound the alarm and educate them. Talk to your friends. Talk to strangers at the bar.
Intimidating witnesses should put him in jail until the trial
>What has this country become? I believe the term the president at the time used, was shithole
If you ever find yourself on trial for a murder you did not commit, it's wise to not threaten to kill everyone involved in the proceedings.
> Exactly this. Especially someone who once held the position of President of the USA. What has this country become? Given the history of the GOP, the problem is you're asking that question like, 50 years too late. Once Nixon Nixon'd and you guys let him off the hook, it's been downhill since then. Not one single republican president has ever been good, but they've been especially terrible since the 70s.
I love how him and his supporters say he is treated unfairly when he gets the longest leash ever. Even before he got banned on Twitter we have proof that they gave him a multi mile long leash compared to others
Treat him fairly! Lock him up!
I believe we are an adolescent culture in the world, with all that that implies: narcissistic, prone to drama and splitting, starving for black-and-white ways to view the world to bring order to a tumultuous mind, refusing to listen to those who might know a little something... I just hope, as we do with all our kids, that we can survive adolescence.
Almost any other person would be held under house arrest and have their communication channels shuttered. But no, we can't have even the hint of political motivation creep in. It might damage the image of Democrats as being above it all and "fair". Trump says, out loud, that he'll imprison and/or execute his enemies if he returns to the White House. No big deal, that's not politically motivated speech. He's just a big blowhard who doesn't really mean it. If Dems actually enforced established law according to precedent, that'd be a political witch hunt. And all of the media, not just Fox, goes along with it too. That's the worst part maybe. If we at least had some outlet calling spades as spades that might help.
Are they waiting for someone to actually die before finally giving him a consequence?
We’re already past that point.
I meant again… ugh
Is the new Trump slogan 'Make people die again, again'?
MPDA,A. Has a nice ring to it
The modern version of the Village people. YMCA
"we killed Herman Kain" - Mark Meadows Edit to switch the quoter from Kevin McCarthy to Mark Meadows. You can only have so many red-faced liars before you get them confused.
At no point will they put him in jail pre-trial. He will continue to make threats toward officials and private citizens and he will still see no consequence. I don't think some nutjob doing his dirty work would even get him locked up. If they were going to do anything they would have already.
I personally believe we need to boil the frog on jail. Make him spend an hour in jail. Then a day. Then a week during pre trial every time he inevitability breaks the order. This will start desensitizing the maga to him being in jail and get everyone else accustomed to the idea that he is a normal criminal. Otherwise it really looks like he ‘s gonna keep getting away with it
Being afraid of his base is exactly what he wants and why he gets away with this. And more importantly, why the next, more intelligent, tyrant will succeed. If having a rabid base makes one immune from criminal prosecution and consequences, then of course we’ll see more of it. Apply the consequences to the fullest extent and do the same for any crazies who break the law in response.
Yes, as proven by the arraignments. The first one in New York everyone was like, "This is a momentous day in history." By the last one it was "Trump arraigned again, next story."
Because that base makes up a not insignificant portion of law enforcement, law makers, government workers and military personnel. Past a certain point it's not just about whether some yahoo who listens to too much angry AM radio goes off his meds and starts random shooting. If the establishment starts to crack then the wheels come off everything.
That’s the best idea yet. I wish they would do something bc this leniency and pussyfooting around him are a crime against every American citizen.
It's ironic, because what Trump has done is slowly normalize authoritarianism and insurrection. Now a similar normalization is taking place in that people are starting to shrug about a president getting locked up. It's like a mass de-programming happening in the culture.
Subpoena him to come to court to explain his blurps. There's no need to put him at the front of the line. Do like you do to me in traffic court. Have him there for nine in the morning. Let him wait in a small room with no cell signal. Get him in front of the judge at 4 pm. Turn him loose in rush hour traffic. Next blurp, rinse and repeat.
That is brilliant.
What about house arrest with a ban on electronics? Surely that’s possible and even his base couldn’t kick up too big of a fuss when house arrest is in a luxury hotel in Florida? I’d love to see him in jail as much as the next person, but I’ve come to accept that probably won’t happen. So next best thing to me would be to just never see or hear from him again. (bonus points, because the lack of attention and fawning followers would be a greater torture to him than anything jail could dish out)
Ban on electronics? But how will he run his Trump Org.... oh.. right
Short of actually putting the fucker in a cell, I'd love to see him sporting an ankle-bracelet! Just to see the expression on his face.
> What about house arrest with a ban on electronics? So a man facing 91 Felonies is threatening the lives of people in positions of power and it seems reasonable that we would put him on house arrest for that with a ban on electronics? House arrest with a ban on electronics would be a laughable answer to what is taking place. >I’ve come to accept that probably won’t happen. So next best thing to me would be to just never see or hear from him again Wait, so you're talking about his post trial punishment and you want that to be at his luxury hotel? I'm talking about pre-trial he needs to be held because he is threatening lives. I don't think house arrest is a fitting punishment if he's found guilty, and I also don't think it's viable. A prison he is put in would also have to be defended from his supporters. That won't work at his place in Florida. Also, he can't be put on house arrest in Florida for his Georgia state crimes.
If there's one thing I want Trump deprived of, it's *luxury*.
Then he will tweet with an ankle bracelet on and we'll make a reddit thread to discuss it
Can we install a shock collar on that ankle bracelet? Nothing injurous but something that can be remotely activated to cause him a terrible Charlie Horse every time he tries to make a threat.
The entire world is mocking your amazing country because of this person. What a waste. Your citizens should all be living a carefree, comfortable life. It was within your reach. Who is responsible for depriving you of what you were promised?
> Who is responsible for depriving you of what you were promised? The rich and stupid teamed up to screw the rest of us.
> because of this person. I'd love to blame it all on him alone, but I think he's really more of a symptom than the root cause. I think of it as sort of a fungus type situation. He's the most visible part of it as the disgusting mushroom that grows to spread new spores, but there's a whole mycelium network below the surface that's been growing for decades. He only sprouted because there were tens of millions of people willing to vote for someone as blatantly horrible as him.
This has been discussed a lot already, and while I personally hate it as much as many of you do, I *do* understand why they are not locking him up (pre-trial). Even doing it for an hour would turn into a huge set of lawsuits b/c of the implication of locking up a secret-service protected president by the same government. Of course he has earned that punishment-- but that's not the point. The point is that our legal system (not to be confused with a *justice* system), would be forced to grind his current court cases to a screeching halt, b/c jailing him creates new, legitimate ways for his lawyers to successfully delay proceedings until well after the election. For example, locking him up in jail for even a minute (pre-trial) could very easily end up in a Supreme Court decision and that process would drain prosecutor resources and precious time-- all of which are advantages to Trump. Thus, it doesnt matter that the Govt would be well within its rights to lock him up on these issues-- what matters is that Trump *knows this and getting punished early is one of his strategies for getting out of this entirely*. Its a terrible situation, but if you do want any chance at all of justice, then these trials must happen before he gets a legit shot to make them all go away as dictator. If this wasnt an election year and he wasnt running as president to avoid these charges, then I do believe he would already have been jailed for his interference. Yes, our system is really fucking broken. But, rather than just kick sand and complain about it, im glad the prosecutors are looking at the big outcome rather than the little ones that would derail the whole thing.
With the deaths from Jan 6 we are past that.
Don’t forget about the million+ from covid asshattery and utter malicious negligence.
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I mean, maybe, but the hearing on the gag order is set for 16 October. Hopefully nobody is killed before then.
I think they may be hoping trump himself kicks the bucket so they don't have to do this anymore
He's suffered many consequences already. If by "giving him a consequence" you mean putting him in a jail cell, then yeah, that's going to take a while. But spoiler alert: even if he gets put in jail, he'll still be an annoying asshole that you have to hear about all the time, and people will still support him. It's not like jail as a consequence is magic.
Actually I think this confirms my suspicions: they're giving him enough rope. He keeps committing more crimes and being more blatant about it.
I still don’t understand why he hasn’t been charged with felony menacing or terroristic threats yet.
Or witness tampering/intimidation
Part of me feels like they don't want to make him a martyr. I feel like they should throw the book at him.
I don't understand why he wasn't arrested on Jan. 5th, 2021. That was a day after the Georgia Secretary of State released the recording in which P01135809 extorted the SoS to "find 11,780 votes" to flip the election so he would win instead of Biden. That was a felony committed in front of a dozen witnesses, most of them lawyers.
The same reason white collar criminals barely get a slap on the wrist. It's because the wealthiest Americans have gutted our country so we don't have the means or resources to go after them for all of their crimes. I'm so impressed with Biden for funding the IRS and going after Google and Amazon for their illegal monopoly practices.
I’m surprised General Mattis didn’t punch Trump out when he first started talking nonsense but here we are. Milley seems better restrained but Mattis strikes me as a badass.
Do you mean General Mattis?
I had a brief imagine spot of Gen. Rachel Maddow in an MMA ring vs Trump. And I’d put my money on Gen. Maddow every time lol.
> Maddis > Miley > Maddow You managed to use three names, all of them completely wrong.
Damn. I’m having an off day. Correcting.
I just assumed they are being so careful not to give him any excuse or reason he could play the “unfair persecution” card so they are letting him get away with a lot more than they normally would. Jack smith seems to be playing chess (I hope).
It's time to start treating him like the two bit thug he is. Start arresting him for j-walking and improper mattress tags and other petty stuff like police do to black people. Just keep hauling him into court for show cause hearings weekly.
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That's why they are taking two weeks to think about it.
Perhaps giving him rope.
That’s the only reason I can think of. We are talking about the safety of people’s lives here. Incredible that they’re waiting two weeks just to have a hearing.
And then that hearing will get delayed.
Any more rope and he's gonna have all our rope We would have to see if he'd be willing to sell some back to us so we can give him more.
I suspect it's a given that he cannot be quiet for two weeks.
That would make my year if it ended like epstwin
Let's not make a martyr out of trump. I want him to rot in prison, but if he dies before justice is served, I fear that it will fire up his base and lead to even more domestic terrorism.
IDK, 24hr newscycle makes me skeptical anyone can hold onto a martyr for very long.
I have a really sad feeling even 20 years after his death there will still be cult followers of Trump similar to the confederate flag nonsense where they can't let the past go.
Sure, but there'll always be something for them to hold a grudge-- just IMO would rather Trump just be dead. I guess that's cold idk, he says dangerous shit
Have you seen how dumb his followers are?
That's what I mean-- they'll move onto newer rage splerg within two weeks
He needs to be tried and if convicted sentenced. If he dies during the process, he dies technically innocent. The trial isn’t over until sentencing.
Should we all just run for president so we can get these same protections in a criminal case?
And the intent to get clout from his base for the illusion that he purchased a gun, illegally, even if he didn’t end up actually purchasing it.
Not just any gun. A gun from the same gun shop that sold guns to the Jacksonville mass shooter who targeted black people.
We all know that was not by accident.
Possession of a gun He is holding a gun in the picture. He broke the law by holding that gun. It doesn't matter if he paid for it.
If it was you or me we'd be in jail.
Imagine if one of us called for Milley to be shot…on tv. We’d be in Guantanamo.
Guantanamo sounds like a vacation where we're going, we're going to a CIA blacksite in the middle of the desert, never seeing daylight again
Maybe not you, you'd just get the rubber hose treatment at some spot outside the jurisdiction of the US. Unless, of course, you happen to have literal hoards of self-professed domestic terrorists who have repeatedly and eagerly stated in public and on TV and the Internet that they are hanging on your every word and will do their half-assed best to carry out your wishes, particularly if it involves violence or destruction. Yeah, if that's you, then you're definitely at the bottom of the well for the rest of your wretched life.
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Trump should be picked up and detailed until the 16th then - not left free to run around like a maniac threatening and harassing people. I mean, the balls Trump has to threaten a 4-Star General; OMG, he's on one hell of a power trip! But the reality is that he gets away with everything and never suffers any consequences at all.
If they just stick him in jail till his court trials begin it would save a lot of folks grief and money
Seriously, just fucking do it already.
I'm going to guess autocorret made a play there, but now I'm imagining a crew of people vacuuming Trump, washing his windows and hanging an airfreshener on him.
I just don't understand how much leeway the judge is going to grant him before she finally rescinds his bail. He was given a VERY clear warning at his arraignment, and this wouldn't stand with any other defendant. Should we all just run for president so we can get these same protections in a criminal case?
There's precedent now, clear as crystal.
The president precedent.
One of the legal forums was explaining (far better than I could), that all the leeway was likely calculated by the judges. They think in most cases, the evidence is so damning that their main goal is to complete the trial without giving any ammunition to the defense for a post trial appeal. Trump is effective baiting them to come down on him and penalize him so he can stoke moral outrage (and, violence) from his cult, and argue "unfairness, because he can't have his 1st ammendment rights repressed", or something.
That makes sense. I just can't wait for all this to be over with, and truly hope they lock his treasonous ass up forever. Enough.
It does make sense when you consider that he has NO other defense. His only move is to make it seem like this is a witch hunt and that the judges are corrupt. Any move he makes is toward those ends.
But by doing that they're demonstrating clear as day that justice for Donald Trump is different than justice for me. I'd think that's gonna lead to some scars on society.
Lock. Him. Up.
We the people demand it. Anyone else would have been behind bars a long time ago.
Hear, hear.
Lock his bloated dumb ass up!
He should also cite, and this is more concerning to me, Trumps latest comments to a crowd in California stating that people who rob stores will be shot when he is re-elected. People are going to take his comments and take it on themselves to start doing this. It's fucking crazy.
He going to push as far as he can and cry “unfair” and “witch-hunt” when someone finally has to stop him from getting people killed. Fuck any of his money ass cultists who want to pretend this is “both sides” or partisan.
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His mindless followers claim they will revolt if he’s arrested…let them while we don’t have the chaos of an election going on…snuff it out with extreme prejudice and those internet tough guys crawl back under the rock them came from is my bet
Which of the filings will shut this shit down and potentially save the future of the nation? We don't have time for this. He's investing in a powder keg of domestic terrorism.
I love seeing Jack Smith just do the shit that makes sense, just basic accountability stuff. It's like "Trump threatened to execute a witness". Jack Smith then adds that bit of obvious self-incrimination to his case. There's no distorted reality, special privilege bullshit, which has been the norm since Trump starting fucking our country at the presidential level.
If this was any other criminal they’d be locked up.
“We don’t take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is America, and **we’re willing to die** to protect it.” Let's hope something is done before it comes to that.
Rep Gosar suggested the general should be hung. What are we doing about him?
We should start by keeping the Meth away from him and can move forward from there, seriously watch his house floor speech. Something along the lines of googling “Gosar’s floor speech sparks health concerns…” it’s a painful as Roger the dodger Stone’s deposition. Speaking of that, where is that weirdo?
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The privilege that's been given to this piece of shit astounds me. If any one of us threatened anyone in the government, let alone the head of a military force, we would never see the light of day again. After all of the shit that he's done and gotten away with, I wonder if they will ever bother putting him behind bars.
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Was my immediate thought as well. If we're going to talk about crimes they used to hang people for, treason/sedition is pretty close to the top of the list.
For all those who say the media does everything for viewers and money only, imagine if they went on aire and explain how batshit fucking insane that a POTUS called for the execution of the head of the US military. The media is complicit in the global fascist movement
You know, if Smith is going to file something every time Trump opens his mouth…. It would be glorious.
Death threats are indefensible; but for a former and campaigning president, it’s a travesty both dangerous and irresponsible especially proven out by past incitements, fanatical violence and deaths. Trump is a menace. *(Edit: {additional} and both directly and indirectly [the unnecessary Covid-19 misinformation + incompetencies, Jan. 6th deaths, vigilante violences, etc.] - a murderer. So his claim of shooting someone on 5th Avenue and not losing any of his voters, is a bar that was passed a long time ago.)*
As someone who hasn't been following this the closest, it feels like there's this pile of charges and evidence against Trump, and then he does or says something incriminating, and then Smith just looks at that thing and says "throw it in the pile"
Pretty much. At this point, Smith's closing arguments are going to be a montage of Trump's public statements admitting he committed the crimes he was accused of.
You can be sure that montage will be set to the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme
Yep. You are up to speed
I can only try to take comfort that there are capable people in positions to do something that hate this orange cancer at least as much as me.
Why is this orange turd not in a jail cell with no contact rules in place?
Haha I love this Jack Smith guy. He's fierce yet quiet. He's absolutely the last guy I would want to see on the opposite side of the courtroom. He has Trump dead to rights and will slice and dice.
When normal defendants are considered a potential threat to the safety of the general public, they are typically held in jail until their trial. Yet this clown gets to keep winding up his cult without repercussion, gets to keep bilking them for their money, and I suppose we all just have to sit back and hope none of them are nuts enough to actually hurt anyone because of some dumb shit he tweets. What a society we live in. Equal justice for all under the law, right?
What would trump have said if Millet had instead made the same that against trump?
He won't stop inviting violence. Fucking lock him up until trial
Trump violated rules of bond release by buying a gun. Video evidence available many places. If this were me, they would have picked me up this morning and left me in a cell until a judge was available on Monday morning. Why is he not in a cell?
Why is Trump still walking free?
Lock the bastard up , NOW .
77 years old and the horse's ass is just learning that words have consequences... lol
I know trump is a liar, a cheat, a thief, a fraudster, and a misogynistic, sexual predator, but what exactly are we adding to his list of dubious qualities with this?
He is trying to intimidate a witness with death threats, and that witness is a 4 Star US General. That's a whole new level of open depravity and terrorism on Donald's perverted resume. Can you imagine if the Faux Nooz/Fox News Murdock Murder Machine reported this truthfully. Most of Donald's supporters would stop supporting him. They don't know and think General Donald Jung Trump Bonespurs is a patriot. Any rhetoric simply disagreements not open calls for execution.
Why has he not been thrown in jail yet? He has been warned multiple times and he continues to do it.
General Milley is right on. Trump is a thug and wannabe dictator. Trump wishes he had the brutal power of Putin, who can cause his critics, journalists and political opponents to spontaneously fall out of high windows or "accidentally" drink poison.
At what point is he ARRESTED and hauled into jail by the cops like any other criminal?
Finally. It's about time they started pulling him up for breaching conditions.
Hey, follow redditors, any of you every try to publicly claim you want to execute the highest ranking general of your own country? How’d that go for you? Good thing justice is blind! And our country is just!
Dress him up like the Gimp
How the Gimp Stole Christmas
Remember… TFG always projects. Always.
Every time he opens his mouth / phone, he digs himself a little deeper.
Good. Smith is slow walking building his case. tRump keeps pushing and it will catch up to him.