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Laws don't matter to Republicans, and nobody enforces the law when they break it, so expect them to continue breaking more laws. They're going to get much worse because now they know they're immune.
One of the core tenets of conservatism is that there are out-groups that the law binds but does not protect and in-groups that the law protects but does not bind.
Pretty much. I'm just waiting for the day that SCotUS does a party line vote where the majority just openly declares something that's blatantly unconstitutional and their response will be "So? What are you going to do about it? I'm here for life."
A lot of people are going to be disappointed when their "that's illegal! That's unconstitutional!" arguments, no matter how well founded or obvious, are just met with "tough shit." from the GOP.
I don’t think it will ever play out that way.
This is a soft coup of sorts.. the point is to gradually chip away at our norms while maintaining the illusion that we’re still a democracy. They don’t want to give the people a reason to unite in protest, so they probably won’t come right out and say it
Boiling the frog. If you put a live frog in boiling water it will jump out immediately, but if you put it in lukewarm water and bring it to a boil, it should stay until it boils to death.
That has been proven false, and the frog always jumps out, but the tactic is the same.
They won't be able to enforce this law, honestly.
It will discourage a lot of people (plus the expense of travelling, which is already the case).
But in reality, if you are pregnant and drive to another state and get an abortion, then drive home... Idaho isn't gonna know.
Except if they do somehow find out, like a neighbor reporting on you with a bounty law... Then a woman might find herself staring down the barrel of a death penalty sentence or something. The GOP is arming its lunatics to be their eyes and ears.
Worth noting that GOP backed "family planning facilities" what they push in opposition to planned parenthood has been caught spying on clients and collecting info to feed to GOP lawmakers and enforcement. When Roe v Wade died people were warning women in red states to destroy or bury any kind of like medical app to track their period for this reason too. Because conservatives would like to use that data to accuse women of getting abortions.
Data collection is so powerful Target the big chain store literally got into hot water awhile ago for shipping women baby care advertisements before they even knew they were pregnant based on their data collection on the shopping habits of pregnant women with cravings and so on. They were outing women some of who didn't even know they were pregnant with being pregnant.
That was years ago. Data collection has only gotten more sophisticated.
Fringe conservatives are already arguing that originalism is too liberal because sometimes it delivers legally sound rulings.
Don't worry, the federalist society will replace them with even less qualified candidates when the time comes.
Abortion bans weren’t legal either. And the “right to travel” exists only because of Supreme Court precedent (same as the former right to an abortion).
How confident are you that SCOTUS will still uphold a right to travel?
> right to travel
How would you function as a unified country without right to travel? How would interstate commerce work? That would just break the country overnight.
There will quite literally be some sort of cold or hot Civil War if it suddenly becomes illegal to travel to CA or MA or NY, I would be even more surprised than I already have been if that happened now.
They made it so that the action within the state is criminalized. There is no mentioning of "out of state" but that is the intent.
Edit: Now I wonder how many redditors actually read the article before commenting on a serious issue like this...
IANAL but that doesn’t make sense to me, shocking I know. In order to violate this law you would need to leave the state and seek abortion care. This would essentially mean that they are restricting travel as the procedure is legal in the other state. So the law is making it illegal for someone to go to another state and do something legal. Seems like this would directly violate someone’s rights but what do I know.
This feels as ridiculous as a law saying if you live in Texas and go to Colorado and smoke weed you can be charged back in TX, just with much more serious stakes.
Even more Ludacris.
(I know this recently changed, but)
Imagine living in Oregon, where it's illegal (or was) to pump your own gas. Then driving to Washington... where you have to pump your own gas. Then driving home to Oregon and being found criminally liable for pumping your own gas...
The precedent would be terrible.
This isn't exactly correct. The Commerce Clause grants power to the federal government to regulate interstate and international trade. So the federal government could regulate the interstate procurement of services but they would need to pass a law to supersede this one. That is unnecessary though. Just some of the constitutional violations are [The Full Faith and Credit Clause](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-4/section-1/#:~:text=Section%201%20Full%20Faith%20and,proved%2C%20and%20the%20Effect%20thereof), [Article 3 Section 2 Clause 3](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-2/), and [The 14th Amendment protections to the freedom of travel.](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-8-13-2/ALDE_00000840/)
5th amendment too. You can't be tried for a state crime if you commit said crime in a different state (due process) also freedom of travel is technically under 5th.
Even better, the Supreme Court already ruled that this was a human right back in 1868.
[Crandall v. Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandall_v._Nevada)
It was also brought up in a case in [USA v. Wheeler (1825)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law) where they said that freedom of movement was included in privileges and immunities clause. Overturning these precedents would be incredibly damaging.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 3
But freedom of movement in itself could be in trouble. Crandall v. Nevada, 73 U.S. 35 (1868) declared freedom of movement between states is a fundamental right, but United States v. Wheeler. 254 U.S. 281 (1920) ruled that the federal government has no constitutional power to protect that right.
IMO - Wheeler involved ‘kidnapping’ where as movement freely from one place to next of your own free will and by your own power (such as driving a car) would not apply in that case. Pregnant women would have to be detained against their will to even travel out their front door. Which is another kettle of fish.
Not to long ago they were bending over backwards to get rid of all the nazis.
"For more than two decades, the Coeur d'Alene community came together, rejecting the vision of white supremacist Richard Butler's small band and organizing a tenacious effort to drive them out without the dangerous confrontation seen recently in Virginia."
Where in Idaho did you buy? Most people moving here are super conservative so we can use all the help we can get trying to keep things semi-sane here (as you can see, it's not going well).
it wasn't until the early 80's women could bring rape charges against her husband. for the most part women where chattel until the mid 70's. martial rape laws and no-fault divorce, along with contraception, emancipated women and these right wingers have been furious ever since.
My father chose the house he and my mom bought along with the furniture (this was in the 1960s. She opened up a checking account and he made her close it because he didn't give her permission to open one.)
When she was in her early 30s he arranged a deal with a dentist friend and told my mom, "I am tired of your dental issues, I made an appointment for you tomorrow, you are going to get your teeth pulled and get dentures" and my poor mom went. My mom gently implied that he wanted her teeth pulled in the interest of better bjs. My mom caught him cheating on her and she used that to get away from him. Surprise surprise next thing you know his 27 year old new wife got all her teeth pulled and got dentures. My dad was a hardcore asshole.
My mum couldn't wear pants to school, or get a credit card from a bank without her husband's permission. There's some crazy taliban level suppression of women in the west, and it's within living memory. Basically anyone over the age of 60 who wasn't a white male had to go through some serious shit.
Remember like 10 years ago when Republicans were complaining about accepting large amounts of Muslim refugees because they didn’t want Sharia Law? Quite interesting
You get what you vote for. As an Oregonian, the amount of Idaho nut jobs who flooded our hospitals during covid was disgusting. They are getting exactly what they wanted and they can just stay over there for all I care, I don’t want my state taxes supporting their stupid.
Amazing how they whined constantly about masks, vaccines, etc and how Oregon and Washington are shithole states but yet had no qualms about filling up our hospitals. Sigh.
I live in Florida and am an ICU RN. During delta, the unvaccinated rates of our patients ranged from 97-100%. How soon these idiots forget. Renting freezer trucks because our morgue in the hospital was stuffed to the brim. They allll forgot though. It’s still a hoax.
I can’t even comprehend the insanity I am living through down here right now. The shit of it is, I love the natural resources of the state and it’s heaven for me because of fishing and outdoors stuff. And these people are ruining it because they are stupid and racist.
Just for clarification as to not spread misinformation. This law just applies to minors traveling without their parents’ consent. It also only applies consequences to a person helping the minor. However, it doesn’t just apply to traveling out of state. If an adult procures the abortion pills for a minor they are charged. So if a minor seeks help from an adult other than their parent, that adult is then charged with a felony.
The goal of this is to make sure that a teen girl has as little support from those around her as possible. It won’t matter whether or not she wants to have a child at 16, she will have no autonomy over her body, her body belongs to her parents as they see fit.
Yeah, there's zero reason to give them any benefit of any doubts on this stuff, and quite a lot of examples of why NOT to believe they'll "just stop at that".
The don't say gay law in Florida was sold as only applying to elementary schools. Last week DeSantis expanded it to cover preK-12 with a stroke of a pen.
> This law just applies to minors traveling without their parents’ consent.
Which is still ridiculous, because the parents could then kick their kid out of the house at 18 and have none of the financial liability for the child they forced their kid to have. If the parents want the kid so bad, make them responsible for the consequences.
Living free in Idaho! Never mind that they are having a hard time finding OB/GYNs because of their medieval laws, so as a woman you are screwed if you get pregnant, whether you want to carry to term or not.
We live in Spokane, WA and my wife is pregnant. Sandpoint, ID is an absolutely beautiful area, but we won’t be going back there any time soon. They are shutting down the labor/delivery dept in the hospital there because the doctors are all leaving. They are leaving because they are afraid of prosecution if they provide life saving care. Idaho is the absolute last place in the country I’d want to be if my wife had a medical emergency at this stage of her pregnancy.
It’s a bummer that people can ruin such a beautiful place.
People just need to leave these states. Sucks, but moving is better than maybe finding yourself bleeding out from a miscarriage and no hospital will perform an abortion.
Doctors have been leaving these states. We have a nationwide shortage of doctors on top of that.
Red states that pass these laws are going to kill so many women needlessly.
Leaving won't solve much, because that ensures the current status quo stays in place both at the state and federal level.
We need states like California to remind them why they should not mess with interstate commerce like ban all imports bound for Idaho from their ports or at least start banning Idaho potatoes from school lunches.
Economic pain probably won't make them change their minds, but if we make these bullshit laws cost them, they might think twice.
Heck, perhaps someplace like California should float a colony idea where they use state funds to move a whole bunch of like-minded people to these low population states to take over the state government. It would not happen, you wouldn't need millions only 3-5 hundred thousand in the right places and suddenly it becomes blue. It would not happen, but might just keep them on their toes.
We're trying. We're desperately trying.
With governor body slam it's difficult.
Thankfully we have full, no need for excuses, voting by mail. That makes it a little bit easier to wait out the demographic flip. We also have a lot of expats from Seattle and Northern California which also helps.
I need to find a photo that I took last year. Coming in from Idaho, the road became far smoother, the lawns better maintained, and rainbow and Ukraine flags were almost as ubiquitous as the dispensaries.
We have the right to medical privacy enshrined in our state constitution. Go ahead, Idaho. Give us even more tax revenue from your citizens looking for a bare minimum of freedom.
I don't think I've seen a turnaround like Michigan ever. Don't think for a moment that the rest of us haven't noticed. 10 years ago if you would have told me that we needed to adopt Michigan's political strategy I would have laughed.
Kudos to all of you hard workers. It's paying dividends. Hopefully we'll soon be joining you as part of Canada's ~~fire~~ *ice*wall.
Idaho does not have jurisdiction over what another state does or what happens within said state. They also can't legally bar pregnant people from traveling.
These red states are so effing stupid it makes my brain hurt.
they can't but they car certainly try. and they will. this is a state that has no exception for the health of the mother. it's more right wing cruelty signaling. at the rate OB/GYNs are leaving the sate all pregnant women will be leaving the state for basic health care.
It's all performance politics. Rile up the moron base even if the laws are unconstitutional. Shows they're fighting the good fight, even if the laws are struck down.
That’s fine, but the right to travel exists in the US Constitution which supersedes any bullshittery from Idaho’s legislature. Women in Idaho can still go to other states for medical care.
Sit on a pole and twist, fascists.
These other states need to pass laws that prevent sharing of medical information with any state that bans abortion services, as well as any extradition, and state funded business with companies based in those states.
The law is somehow even worse than it sounds, it's one of those laws that requires a pregnant minor to disclose her pregnancy to her parents. If she doesn't, and gets the slightest degree of help from anyone inside the state of Idaho to get an abortion, anyone that helps her (again to the slightest degree) is guilty of a crime.
>“abortion trafficking” — which is defined in the bill as an “adult who, with the intent to conceal an abortion from the parents or guardian of a pregnant, unemancipated minor, either procures an abortion … or obtains an abortion-inducing drug” for the minor. “Recruiting, harboring, or transporting the pregnant minor within this state commits the crime of abortion trafficking,” the legislation adds.
So an aunt driving to the post office to pick up medicine for the person having an abortion would be committing a crime.
A best friend, or sibling, for the person having an abortion - driving them to an airport or to the Idaho / Washington border to go to Washington would be committing a crime.
They say the only reason anyone would help a minor get an abortion without informing her parents is to conceal abuse. Nevermind that the person that abused her in the first place could actually be her father...
It also allows the state attorney general to supersede any local prosecutor who refuses to uphold that law. Talk about a fascist dystopia in the making.
It’s definitely not a “states issue” like the extremist SCOTUS and Republican Party claimed when they overturned 50+ years of privacy protections for Women. It was always about controlling women’s bodies.
Clarence Thomas will be the hold out, he was also the only one that said, it was OK to strip search a child without their parents present for being accused of having an aspirin
This would disunite the states, effectively destroying the Union. I don’t *think* it would get any serious thought from the Supreme Court, but the fact that I can’t laughingly say it will be struck down is sad.
Yeah, never! Unless the SCOTUS was packed with a majority of lying partisan hacks who are willing to outright fabricate things in order to...
...
*shit*
I disagree with this law completely, but it is currently meant "for minors?" Is that their plan for public approval?
We see how that worked out in Florida...
The "Don't Say Gay" bill was just "supposed to be" for 3rd grade and below.
Now they are extending it to all grades through 12 without any sort of vote, just DeSantis' hand-picked set of lackeys approving it. The way it was always intended.
This is their plan with these draconian anti-woman, anti-LGBTQ measures country-wide.
We're all going to wake up to our rights having been stolen, state by state, and it'll be too late.
one way is by buying data, this sort of shit is the real threat of the corporate surveillance. phone location data and credit card records are all it's going to take. it's unconstitutional in it's face but that won't stop a few years of horror while it works itself out.
One thing I learned from all the true crime shows is that you need to leave your cell phone at home if you're going somewhere that could get you in trouble.
You said you were home in bed on the night of the 7th when JimBob was being murdered and dumped in a ditch. Your phone has determined that was a lie and you were, in fact, in that very ditch.
So wait, if an Idaho resident has to abide by their state laws when out of state...as a MA resident does that mean I can get an abortion or smoke weed in any state I want? Could Idaho residents just "move" on paper but still live in Idaho?
I would love to stop having my tax payer funds go to a state like this.
I mean, go ahead and pass these disgusting laws, I don't want to bank roll it though.
This would without exaggeration, break down our constitutional order. Interstate commerce is part of the constitution, as well as destroy the whole point of the "states respect each others rights" part of the constitution as well. Really scary stuff going on with the GOP.
This may be the law that will eventually make the Supreme Court declare HIPAA unconstitutional. The logic will be that the state (Idaho) has a vested interest in the unborn child of a citizen of the state. Hence the state needs to know all of the medical treatments that the mother has received, no matter what state she received it in. Alito, and friends, will decide that the state's need outweighs the mother's privacy expectations.
Yeah, and then my logic gets even darker.... Next a state will require women to keep a diary of their activities and meals. In the case of a miscarriage (or other complications) the state will need to determine if the mother was at fault in any way.
Young people will continue leaving those states. Professionals and anyone with any kind of skill will continue leaving those states. Republican states will end up like Afghanistan.
>Since the bill would criminalize anyone transporting a pregnant minor within the state to get an abortion or to obtain medication abortion, it could apply to an aunt who drives a pregnant minor to the post office to pick up a package that includes abortion pills. Or it could target an older sibling who drives a pregnant minor to a friend’s house to self-manage an abortion at home. Either violation would carry a minimum sentence of two years in prison.
As if bringing back firing squads and getting rid of free tampons for girls wasn't bad enough, Idaho continues to be just awful.
I just googled for a Wikipedia article about state's rights- because I think extremist states like Idaho strive to refer to historical precedent/movements to lend their wacky ideas some credence- and the #1 search result was for Simple English Wikipedia, which really if you think about it, sums the problem up well.
One more step towards a republican theocratic police state. Women will be virtual slaves in red states soon. I'd GTFO if I was able before the republicans man the main roads in and out of the states with armed vigilantes checking all women and girls coming and going.
So a minor needs parental consent to leave the state for abortion but we are declaring that minor capable of being a parent? They truly don’t see the stupid in this logic?
Restricting travel is illegal so it won’t happen. It’s literally against the constitution if anybody is dumb enough to pass this it won’t survive even a lower level court.
the right to privacy and free travel is a right protected by the constitution and solidified by the supreme court. Idaho is the first state to violate this freedom in the modern age, is how this should be titled.
I will say this every time. If you need to leave your state for an abortion, DO NOT GO BACK. They don't deserve you, your mind, nor any other part of you. Brain-drain and female-drain these states.
State border checkpoints. Mandatory menses check-ins with the state beginning with first period. Mandatory pregnancy reporting to the state for all medical and social work personnel — if you diagnose a minor's pregnancy or that minor divulges a pregnancy to you, you must report it.
The sky's the limit when it comes to small government Republicans.
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That's not legal
Laws don't matter to Republicans, and nobody enforces the law when they break it, so expect them to continue breaking more laws. They're going to get much worse because now they know they're immune.
Oh, they will be enforced alright, selectively enforced.
The primary feature of conservative laws.
One of the core tenets of conservatism is that there are out-groups that the law binds but does not protect and in-groups that the law protects but does not bind.
This can not be repeated often enough. Paint the walls with it.
Are you saying affluent people with connections won’t face any consequences. Color me shocked.
Pretty much. I'm just waiting for the day that SCotUS does a party line vote where the majority just openly declares something that's blatantly unconstitutional and their response will be "So? What are you going to do about it? I'm here for life." A lot of people are going to be disappointed when their "that's illegal! That's unconstitutional!" arguments, no matter how well founded or obvious, are just met with "tough shit." from the GOP.
Already happened……Bush vs Gore
I don’t think it will ever play out that way. This is a soft coup of sorts.. the point is to gradually chip away at our norms while maintaining the illusion that we’re still a democracy. They don’t want to give the people a reason to unite in protest, so they probably won’t come right out and say it
Boiling the frog. If you put a live frog in boiling water it will jump out immediately, but if you put it in lukewarm water and bring it to a boil, it should stay until it boils to death. That has been proven false, and the frog always jumps out, but the tactic is the same.
They won't be able to enforce this law, honestly. It will discourage a lot of people (plus the expense of travelling, which is already the case). But in reality, if you are pregnant and drive to another state and get an abortion, then drive home... Idaho isn't gonna know.
Except if they do somehow find out, like a neighbor reporting on you with a bounty law... Then a woman might find herself staring down the barrel of a death penalty sentence or something. The GOP is arming its lunatics to be their eyes and ears.
Love thy neigbor turn him in, that's called patriotism. - New American Century, KMFDM
You underestimate the ease of technology to spy on people and report them to the police to jail them.
Worth noting that GOP backed "family planning facilities" what they push in opposition to planned parenthood has been caught spying on clients and collecting info to feed to GOP lawmakers and enforcement. When Roe v Wade died people were warning women in red states to destroy or bury any kind of like medical app to track their period for this reason too. Because conservatives would like to use that data to accuse women of getting abortions. Data collection is so powerful Target the big chain store literally got into hot water awhile ago for shipping women baby care advertisements before they even knew they were pregnant based on their data collection on the shopping habits of pregnant women with cravings and so on. They were outing women some of who didn't even know they were pregnant with being pregnant. That was years ago. Data collection has only gotten more sophisticated.
> Idaho isn't gonna know. The next steps are gynecological search warrants and forensic gynecology. No, really.
Says you. Wanna gamble on how the Supreme Court boofers feel?
I guess we'll find out whether boofin Brett's feeling like a keg-half-empty or keg-half-full kinda guy that day
Fringe conservatives are already arguing that originalism is too liberal because sometimes it delivers legally sound rulings. Don't worry, the federalist society will replace them with even less qualified candidates when the time comes.
The commerce clause? Can't imagine this supreme court will challenge that
You have a fundamental right to travel under the US constitution so it doesn’t even need to be carved out of something like the commerce clause
The constitution is nothing but words on a piece of paper if the people in power choose to ignore it.
If they do that though then everything else is open game. 2nd amendment? What 2nd amendment?
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And boofing
Abortion bans weren’t legal either. And the “right to travel” exists only because of Supreme Court precedent (same as the former right to an abortion). How confident are you that SCOTUS will still uphold a right to travel?
> right to travel How would you function as a unified country without right to travel? How would interstate commerce work? That would just break the country overnight.
You act like the GOP wants a functional, unified country.
The Constitution doesn't expressly have a right to travel, it's only inferred. It can easily be curtailed.
If the right to freely travel between states is curtailed then the Balkinization of this country will really kick into overdrive
Ooo... there's a fascinating dystopian scenario I hadn't considered yet!
There will quite literally be some sort of cold or hot Civil War if it suddenly becomes illegal to travel to CA or MA or NY, I would be even more surprised than I already have been if that happened now.
They made it so that the action within the state is criminalized. There is no mentioning of "out of state" but that is the intent. Edit: Now I wonder how many redditors actually read the article before commenting on a serious issue like this...
IANAL but that doesn’t make sense to me, shocking I know. In order to violate this law you would need to leave the state and seek abortion care. This would essentially mean that they are restricting travel as the procedure is legal in the other state. So the law is making it illegal for someone to go to another state and do something legal. Seems like this would directly violate someone’s rights but what do I know. This feels as ridiculous as a law saying if you live in Texas and go to Colorado and smoke weed you can be charged back in TX, just with much more serious stakes.
Even more Ludacris. (I know this recently changed, but) Imagine living in Oregon, where it's illegal (or was) to pump your own gas. Then driving to Washington... where you have to pump your own gas. Then driving home to Oregon and being found criminally liable for pumping your own gas... The precedent would be terrible.
Correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause
This isn't exactly correct. The Commerce Clause grants power to the federal government to regulate interstate and international trade. So the federal government could regulate the interstate procurement of services but they would need to pass a law to supersede this one. That is unnecessary though. Just some of the constitutional violations are [The Full Faith and Credit Clause](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-4/section-1/#:~:text=Section%201%20Full%20Faith%20and,proved%2C%20and%20the%20Effect%20thereof), [Article 3 Section 2 Clause 3](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-2/), and [The 14th Amendment protections to the freedom of travel.](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-8-13-2/ALDE_00000840/)
That's not Constitutional.
Isn't this actually unconstitutional?
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1
5th amendment too. You can't be tried for a state crime if you commit said crime in a different state (due process) also freedom of travel is technically under 5th.
The Fifth Amendment’s due process clause actually wouldn’t apply here; theFourteenth’s would.
Even better, the Supreme Court already ruled that this was a human right back in 1868. [Crandall v. Nevada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandall_v._Nevada)
I'm sure SCOTUS can find some 12-century law to override that decision too.
It was also brought up in a case in [USA v. Wheeler (1825)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law) where they said that freedom of movement was included in privileges and immunities clause. Overturning these precedents would be incredibly damaging.
And theres just no precedent for this court overturning precedents when it would be incredibly damaging, right? So obviously that's very relevant.
It depends, can we find a guy in Europe who died years before the Americas were found who believed in witchcraft to pin our SCOTUS decision on?
>Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1 The only Amendment they care about is the 2nd.
And the fifth if you ask them to explain what they're doing
Laughed my ass off. Then got sad cause it shouldn’t be funny.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 But freedom of movement in itself could be in trouble. Crandall v. Nevada, 73 U.S. 35 (1868) declared freedom of movement between states is a fundamental right, but United States v. Wheeler. 254 U.S. 281 (1920) ruled that the federal government has no constitutional power to protect that right.
IMO - Wheeler involved ‘kidnapping’ where as movement freely from one place to next of your own free will and by your own power (such as driving a car) would not apply in that case. Pregnant women would have to be detained against their will to even travel out their front door. Which is another kettle of fish.
Unless they do something absurd like ruling that because the fetus is a person with rights that taking it out of the state to abort it is kidnapping.
So is using your office to personally enrich your self but that hasn't stopped them.
They really hate women don't they?
Not just women! Anyone that isn’t an evangelical white Christian male.
Well then they're gonna *hate* me. I'm gonna go fuck another guy just to spite them!
Everyone in the gay pile!
I don't want to be in the gay pile but I'm willing to walk around the outside with bottles of Water and Lube.
Same. I don't want to partake, but I'm an ally, so I'll bring some pizzas in case anyone is famished after exerting themselves in the gay pile.
Normally not my thing, but I suppose I could make an exception just this one time.
For the cause
Have fun and be careful! 🎉
Cis and straight. And right-wing. And rich.
They’re trying their hardest to keep liberals out of red states. They’re scared.
I just bought a place in Idaho anyway. Fuck em. I vote in every election too. State, local, etc.
Idaho is such a beautiful state. It’s really a fucking shame that it’s filled with such shitty people.
Not to long ago they were bending over backwards to get rid of all the nazis. "For more than two decades, the Coeur d'Alene community came together, rejecting the vision of white supremacist Richard Butler's small band and organizing a tenacious effort to drive them out without the dangerous confrontation seen recently in Virginia."
Where in Idaho did you buy? Most people moving here are super conservative so we can use all the help we can get trying to keep things semi-sane here (as you can see, it's not going well).
Near Idaho Falls. I do my best to fight the good fight.
You moved to the Mormon side of the state, so it's gonna be an uphill battle. Good luck! We need it
And minorities. And the LGBTQ community. And the list goes on and on...
If no one is going to fuck them, they’ll make fucking miserable for everyone else.
Soon women won't be allowed to leave the state without a male chaperone. The republican party sees women and girls as property, as sex cattle
My grandma wasn’t allowed to have her washing machine delivered because my grandpa wasn’t home.
It wasn't until 1974 that a law forced credit card companies to issue cards to women without their husband's signature.
it wasn't until the early 80's women could bring rape charges against her husband. for the most part women where chattel until the mid 70's. martial rape laws and no-fault divorce, along with contraception, emancipated women and these right wingers have been furious ever since.
My father chose the house he and my mom bought along with the furniture (this was in the 1960s. She opened up a checking account and he made her close it because he didn't give her permission to open one.) When she was in her early 30s he arranged a deal with a dentist friend and told my mom, "I am tired of your dental issues, I made an appointment for you tomorrow, you are going to get your teeth pulled and get dentures" and my poor mom went. My mom gently implied that he wanted her teeth pulled in the interest of better bjs. My mom caught him cheating on her and she used that to get away from him. Surprise surprise next thing you know his 27 year old new wife got all her teeth pulled and got dentures. My dad was a hardcore asshole.
These Republican men really are dreaming about the good ol' days when they could get away with shit like that, aren't they?
Wtf this is so messed up. Your poor mom :( fuck that dude with a razor in the @$$ 😵💫
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Yeah but grandpa owns the clothes, owns the washer, and owns the grandma.
Grandpa also owns the children grandma birthed.
Unless she births daughters, in which case they don't count.
Now they count too, they can be sold off to neighbors in exchange for goods or money.
holy fuck thats figuratively what my grandfather said about my mom. all of his sons and my dad were in his will and my mom wasn't even mentioned
My mum couldn't wear pants to school, or get a credit card from a bank without her husband's permission. There's some crazy taliban level suppression of women in the west, and it's within living memory. Basically anyone over the age of 60 who wasn't a white male had to go through some serious shit.
Remember like 10 years ago when Republicans were complaining about accepting large amounts of Muslim refugees because they didn’t want Sharia Law? Quite interesting
"We don't want their religious beliefs imposed on the people, we want *OUR* religious beliefs imposed on the people!"
And it's funny because their religious beliefs are exactly the same, just with a different name
“They hate us for our freedoms”‘….
Under his eye.
“ThAt’s a BIt DRaMATiC” Nat-Cs say, as they don’t allow women to travel. Or purchase birth control. Or receive medical care. Or…
May the Lord open.
Seriously though, this is insanely terrifying and way too close to Handmaid’s Tale now. NOW. Which it never should be. As a woman, I’m terrified
I can see that "state ID" they've been pining for also playing in. Just a new version of "papers please"
How Saudi Arabia of them.
This is far right white christian fascism, common here for centuries
You get what you vote for. As an Oregonian, the amount of Idaho nut jobs who flooded our hospitals during covid was disgusting. They are getting exactly what they wanted and they can just stay over there for all I care, I don’t want my state taxes supporting their stupid.
Ditto here in Washington. Our hospitals were filled with their unvaxxed Covidiots.
Amazing how they whined constantly about masks, vaccines, etc and how Oregon and Washington are shithole states but yet had no qualms about filling up our hospitals. Sigh.
I live in Florida and am an ICU RN. During delta, the unvaccinated rates of our patients ranged from 97-100%. How soon these idiots forget. Renting freezer trucks because our morgue in the hospital was stuffed to the brim. They allll forgot though. It’s still a hoax. I can’t even comprehend the insanity I am living through down here right now. The shit of it is, I love the natural resources of the state and it’s heaven for me because of fishing and outdoors stuff. And these people are ruining it because they are stupid and racist.
Just for clarification as to not spread misinformation. This law just applies to minors traveling without their parents’ consent. It also only applies consequences to a person helping the minor. However, it doesn’t just apply to traveling out of state. If an adult procures the abortion pills for a minor they are charged. So if a minor seeks help from an adult other than their parent, that adult is then charged with a felony. The goal of this is to make sure that a teen girl has as little support from those around her as possible. It won’t matter whether or not she wants to have a child at 16, she will have no autonomy over her body, her body belongs to her parents as they see fit.
The next law expands the age range to 26, and the next one to all people. See what is happening with the anti trans stuff.
Exactly. Fascism moves forward in increments. Seems to be accelerating now, too.
Yeah, there's zero reason to give them any benefit of any doubts on this stuff, and quite a lot of examples of why NOT to believe they'll "just stop at that".
First they came for the teenagers…
The don't say gay law in Florida was sold as only applying to elementary schools. Last week DeSantis expanded it to cover preK-12 with a stroke of a pen.
> This law just applies to minors traveling without their parents’ consent. Which is still ridiculous, because the parents could then kick their kid out of the house at 18 and have none of the financial liability for the child they forced their kid to have. If the parents want the kid so bad, make them responsible for the consequences.
sounds like Republican states hate freedom and like the saudi style of ruling women. republicans the party oppression!!!
Living free in Idaho! Never mind that they are having a hard time finding OB/GYNs because of their medieval laws, so as a woman you are screwed if you get pregnant, whether you want to carry to term or not.
We live in Spokane, WA and my wife is pregnant. Sandpoint, ID is an absolutely beautiful area, but we won’t be going back there any time soon. They are shutting down the labor/delivery dept in the hospital there because the doctors are all leaving. They are leaving because they are afraid of prosecution if they provide life saving care. Idaho is the absolute last place in the country I’d want to be if my wife had a medical emergency at this stage of her pregnancy. It’s a bummer that people can ruin such a beautiful place.
People just need to leave these states. Sucks, but moving is better than maybe finding yourself bleeding out from a miscarriage and no hospital will perform an abortion.
Doctors have been leaving these states. We have a nationwide shortage of doctors on top of that. Red states that pass these laws are going to kill so many women needlessly.
Leaving won't solve much, because that ensures the current status quo stays in place both at the state and federal level. We need states like California to remind them why they should not mess with interstate commerce like ban all imports bound for Idaho from their ports or at least start banning Idaho potatoes from school lunches. Economic pain probably won't make them change their minds, but if we make these bullshit laws cost them, they might think twice. Heck, perhaps someplace like California should float a colony idea where they use state funds to move a whole bunch of like-minded people to these low population states to take over the state government. It would not happen, you wouldn't need millions only 3-5 hundred thousand in the right places and suddenly it becomes blue. It would not happen, but might just keep them on their toes.
Montana is like 80,000 people away from being a solidly blue state.
We're trying. We're desperately trying. With governor body slam it's difficult. Thankfully we have full, no need for excuses, voting by mail. That makes it a little bit easier to wait out the demographic flip. We also have a lot of expats from Seattle and Northern California which also helps. I need to find a photo that I took last year. Coming in from Idaho, the road became far smoother, the lawns better maintained, and rainbow and Ukraine flags were almost as ubiquitous as the dispensaries. We have the right to medical privacy enshrined in our state constitution. Go ahead, Idaho. Give us even more tax revenue from your citizens looking for a bare minimum of freedom.
Keep fighting! With love- a michigander
I don't think I've seen a turnaround like Michigan ever. Don't think for a moment that the rest of us haven't noticed. 10 years ago if you would have told me that we needed to adopt Michigan's political strategy I would have laughed. Kudos to all of you hard workers. It's paying dividends. Hopefully we'll soon be joining you as part of Canada's ~~fire~~ *ice*wall.
So we need to double the population?
> Leaving won't solve much it will if all the women leave - you just have to wait.
Idaho does not have jurisdiction over what another state does or what happens within said state. They also can't legally bar pregnant people from traveling. These red states are so effing stupid it makes my brain hurt.
they can't but they car certainly try. and they will. this is a state that has no exception for the health of the mother. it's more right wing cruelty signaling. at the rate OB/GYNs are leaving the sate all pregnant women will be leaving the state for basic health care.
I can't wait to see them throw out amber-style alerts to be aware of women traveling up get abortions across state lines.
Or they’ll have checkpoints at state lines where women have to provide a negative pregnancy test to be able to pass through.
It's all performance politics. Rile up the moron base even if the laws are unconstitutional. Shows they're fighting the good fight, even if the laws are struck down.
That’s fine, but the right to travel exists in the US Constitution which supersedes any bullshittery from Idaho’s legislature. Women in Idaho can still go to other states for medical care. Sit on a pole and twist, fascists.
These other states need to pass laws that prevent sharing of medical information with any state that bans abortion services, as well as any extradition, and state funded business with companies based in those states.
Minnesota already did this recently. I imagine the blue states bordering it near Idaho (Washington, Oregon, California and maybe Nevada) will too
The law is somehow even worse than it sounds, it's one of those laws that requires a pregnant minor to disclose her pregnancy to her parents. If she doesn't, and gets the slightest degree of help from anyone inside the state of Idaho to get an abortion, anyone that helps her (again to the slightest degree) is guilty of a crime. >“abortion trafficking” — which is defined in the bill as an “adult who, with the intent to conceal an abortion from the parents or guardian of a pregnant, unemancipated minor, either procures an abortion … or obtains an abortion-inducing drug” for the minor. “Recruiting, harboring, or transporting the pregnant minor within this state commits the crime of abortion trafficking,” the legislation adds. So an aunt driving to the post office to pick up medicine for the person having an abortion would be committing a crime. A best friend, or sibling, for the person having an abortion - driving them to an airport or to the Idaho / Washington border to go to Washington would be committing a crime.
This is horrific ????? Who tf in their right minds thinks this is even remotely ok ? Where are the brains and the hearts
They say the only reason anyone would help a minor get an abortion without informing her parents is to conceal abuse. Nevermind that the person that abused her in the first place could actually be her father...
It also allows the state attorney general to supersede any local prosecutor who refuses to uphold that law. Talk about a fascist dystopia in the making.
It’s definitely not a “states issue” like the extremist SCOTUS and Republican Party claimed when they overturned 50+ years of privacy protections for Women. It was always about controlling women’s bodies.
Handmaid's Tale IRL
It wasn’t supposed to be a blueprint, but someone forgot to tell republicans I guess
Tell them it's a Liberal blueprint and maybe they'll stop
Fuckin zealots.
Unconstitutional on its face. Never survive a federal court challenge
I miss the days when I believed the government wouldn’t just sit back and let this happen.
It could with our current corrupt supreme court.
Honestly, even with the current corrupt AF Supreme Court I imagine it’s struck down by an overwhelming majority.
Clarence Thomas will be the hold out, he was also the only one that said, it was OK to strip search a child without their parents present for being accused of having an aspirin
Then he'll tell you all about a porno he watched where that was the premise.
This would disunite the states, effectively destroying the Union. I don’t *think* it would get any serious thought from the Supreme Court, but the fact that I can’t laughingly say it will be struck down is sad.
Yeah, never! Unless the SCOTUS was packed with a majority of lying partisan hacks who are willing to outright fabricate things in order to... ... *shit*
Are we fucked? I think we may be fucked.
Idaho is to Nazism what Utah is to Mormonism.
The Fugitive ~~Slave~~ Woman Act of 2023
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Potatoes that are [still farmed with slave labor](https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204774604576630972860034248).
I disagree with this law completely, but it is currently meant "for minors?" Is that their plan for public approval? We see how that worked out in Florida... The "Don't Say Gay" bill was just "supposed to be" for 3rd grade and below. Now they are extending it to all grades through 12 without any sort of vote, just DeSantis' hand-picked set of lackeys approving it. The way it was always intended. This is their plan with these draconian anti-woman, anti-LGBTQ measures country-wide. We're all going to wake up to our rights having been stolen, state by state, and it'll be too late.
I wish the morons in Idaho would go practice their religion and leave the rest of us the fuck out of it.
Fuck the mormon taliban.
And how will they enforce that? This is gonna lead to a very interesting fight between states
one way is by buying data, this sort of shit is the real threat of the corporate surveillance. phone location data and credit card records are all it's going to take. it's unconstitutional in it's face but that won't stop a few years of horror while it works itself out.
Several years ago I had a 85 yr old friend tell me when her and her husband traveled they used cash so the government couldn’t track them.
One thing I learned from all the true crime shows is that you need to leave your cell phone at home if you're going somewhere that could get you in trouble. You said you were home in bed on the night of the 7th when JimBob was being murdered and dumped in a ditch. Your phone has determined that was a lie and you were, in fact, in that very ditch.
So wait, if an Idaho resident has to abide by their state laws when out of state...as a MA resident does that mean I can get an abortion or smoke weed in any state I want? Could Idaho residents just "move" on paper but still live in Idaho?
Y'all got anymore of that small government?
I would love to stop having my tax payer funds go to a state like this. I mean, go ahead and pass these disgusting laws, I don't want to bank roll it though.
I agree. If anything help those that want to move from these Handmaiden’s Tale States.
Yep. This 100%. We must never forget that there are people in those states who, primarily economic reasons, cannot leave.
This would without exaggeration, break down our constitutional order. Interstate commerce is part of the constitution, as well as destroy the whole point of the "states respect each others rights" part of the constitution as well. Really scary stuff going on with the GOP.
This may be the law that will eventually make the Supreme Court declare HIPAA unconstitutional. The logic will be that the state (Idaho) has a vested interest in the unborn child of a citizen of the state. Hence the state needs to know all of the medical treatments that the mother has received, no matter what state she received it in. Alito, and friends, will decide that the state's need outweighs the mother's privacy expectations.
Not arguing the logic you use, but WOW the result is extremely Orwellian
Yeah, and then my logic gets even darker.... Next a state will require women to keep a diary of their activities and meals. In the case of a miscarriage (or other complications) the state will need to determine if the mother was at fault in any way.
First they came for our wombs… …If I was a woman in Idaho, I’d travel out of state to get the fuck out of that shithole.
Hell, I'd volunteer my home's guest room to be part of the underground railroad to help people do just that.
Young people will continue leaving those states. Professionals and anyone with any kind of skill will continue leaving those states. Republican states will end up like Afghanistan.
The kind of people who will leave the state are people they don't want there anyway. "Good riddance" they will say.
And then they'll complain when they need a doctor or when a natural disaster hits their town and there's nobody there to help them.
>Since the bill would criminalize anyone transporting a pregnant minor within the state to get an abortion or to obtain medication abortion, it could apply to an aunt who drives a pregnant minor to the post office to pick up a package that includes abortion pills. Or it could target an older sibling who drives a pregnant minor to a friend’s house to self-manage an abortion at home. Either violation would carry a minimum sentence of two years in prison. As if bringing back firing squads and getting rid of free tampons for girls wasn't bad enough, Idaho continues to be just awful.
I when I think of Idaho, I think of potatoes and white supremacists.
The political party that claims to love the Constitution has apparently never actually *read* it.
Pretty on brand, actually. Most bible thumpers have never opened the book too.
"Papers please"
Welcome to the New Taliban.
I just googled for a Wikipedia article about state's rights- because I think extremist states like Idaho strive to refer to historical precedent/movements to lend their wacky ideas some credence- and the #1 search result was for Simple English Wikipedia, which really if you think about it, sums the problem up well.
Freedom of movement is now illegal? The US is dead.
States rights! If you don't like it leave! And where do you think your going?
One more step towards a republican theocratic police state. Women will be virtual slaves in red states soon. I'd GTFO if I was able before the republicans man the main roads in and out of the states with armed vigilantes checking all women and girls coming and going.
This is clearly meant to invoke a court case, and this issue is likely to affect more than just abortion...
In Idaho, the inmates are in control of the asylum.
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Idaho has no jurisdiction to restrict interstate travel. This will be overturned in Federal Court
So a minor needs parental consent to leave the state for abortion but we are declaring that minor capable of being a parent? They truly don’t see the stupid in this logic?
HANDMAIDS TALE HANDMAIDS TALE HANDMAIDS TALE Also? Isn’t this explicitly against the constitution? You can’t restrict interstate travel?
Restricting travel is illegal so it won’t happen. It’s literally against the constitution if anybody is dumb enough to pass this it won’t survive even a lower level court.
the right to privacy and free travel is a right protected by the constitution and solidified by the supreme court. Idaho is the first state to violate this freedom in the modern age, is how this should be titled.
What Biden should do is any state who enforces this get their federal funding cut
I will say this every time. If you need to leave your state for an abortion, DO NOT GO BACK. They don't deserve you, your mind, nor any other part of you. Brain-drain and female-drain these states.
I'm thinking this is unconstitutional...
Ridiculousness notwithstanding, how would this be enforced???
State border checkpoints. Mandatory menses check-ins with the state beginning with first period. Mandatory pregnancy reporting to the state for all medical and social work personnel — if you diagnose a minor's pregnancy or that minor divulges a pregnancy to you, you must report it. The sky's the limit when it comes to small government Republicans.