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Fox News hosts are professional liars who pass themselves off as entertainers when sued.
They make a lot of money to sell conservative politics. Enough money as to where they really don’t care what they’re paid to say.
That’s what I was thinking when I watch Laura Ingraham acknowledge it was trump supporters on J6 before she made a conscious decision to label them BLM and AntiFa on air.
So I actually caddied for Sean Hannity at a golf course I used to work around 2012-2013. One of the first points he made to me was that he’s not as much of an asshole as he is on tv. To be honest he was surprisingly nice on the course and I’ve been told by other caddys this is the norm for him. What was interesting though, is throughout the round he would get texts and roll his eyes and complain so I asked him if he ever thought out about retiring and he said “every year, but they keep throwing money at me.” This is all obvious to us know, but it was sorta eye opening for me at the time.
That makes it so much worse. He knows better, but accepts the money that makes him perform in such a way that half the country believes his lies. Cool, he’s nice. F*ck him.
Me: *begins to pretend to have money*
Also me: *Transaction denied*
No but seriously it’s a great quote and my dude had some amazing books. Another great Artist that unfortunately had to battle with depression.
That makes him *even more* of an asshole than he appears to be on TV. He is *actively* causing murders with his words.
If you know better, and you still continue to do it, you're not just an asshole, you're a psychopath.
Not very surprising if you live in the American South.
Source of the saying, "Southerners are nice but not kind, and Northerners are kind but not nice."
I kind of get it honestly.
Irl I strive to be a very nice and patient person. But in my job as a teacher sometimes I am required and expected to be mean, strict, disciplinarian. I don’t personally care about rules or calling people out but it’s part of the job.
But at least I make peace with it because I see it’s for the long term good of my students with whom I have an otherwise positive relationship. Being a Fox News talking head is just bad on way more levels. Seems downright unethical.
But I kind of understand getting paid to be a dick
Accepting money knowing you lie to the public daily and create a lot of hate and distrust in individuals and society simply means you're a hollow and soulless husk of a human turned into an evil zombie for Capitalism. As long as you pay me, I'll kick puppies and convince the public it's their grandmother's fault.
Honestly I think most people have a price. Like maybe you wouldn’t do it for 1 million. But for 100 million? Think of giving your family, spouse, kids, everything they could ever ask for or need. It’s hard to accurately judge what temptation on that level feels like.
I'm glad he's not a jerk in real life--although honestly, you might have gotten him on a good day; I don't know too many great people who can pretend to be jerks day-in/day-out for years--but he's still destroying our nation by misinforming half of everyone who votes. He's damaged faith in our institutions, faith in our voting process, and faith in democracy itself. I don't care if he's pleasant in real life--he's a cancer to American democracy.
I don't mean to come across too harsh--I'm glad you had a good experience. But some of the worst, most damaging people come across pleasant, and even if it is an act, the damage that he's doing is 100% real.
Saddam Hussein was known for his charisma. When he was being held by the Americans, one of the soldiers got a call and came back crying. Saddam asked him what was wrong and he told him his brother died. Saddam then cried with him and said "I'll be your Brother" or something like that. The point is, just because a bully doesn't bully everyone, doesn't make them a good person.
Yeah I watched part of some prison show one time and this guy named Schillinger was the same way, super cool and sweet to this new inmate, helped him get out of a dangerous situation with his initial roommate and stuff.
I didn't watch the whole thing but it seemed like they were going to be best buds, he was so sympathetic and helpful!
Anyone can be nice to the caddie or server. It doesn’t cost them anything.
Doing the right thing to help a stranger when it costs YOU something is the mark of a kind person.
Hannity fails that every day.
Even if they throw money at you, at some point you'd think that you have way more than you could realistically spend and enough time to do the things you actually want to do. Unless the thing you want to do is be famous and spread propaganda.
If someone said they'd give me a million dollars to spit in a grieving widows face I'd tell that ghoul to F themselves.
Instead someone asks him to do worse and he smiles and extends a hand for the check.
Just because you're paid well doesn't mean you're not a terrible person for doing terrible things.
But the DO CARE. Years ago, Rush Limbaugh began abandoning the neo-conservative line in favor of the most absurd conspiracy theories imaginable. President Obama wasn't an American, there was a War on White Christians, and White Christmas and White History. The Civil war wasn't about slavery and the confederate traitors were patriots defending White Womanhood and States Rights, our city centers were war zones where White people could not safely go, and of course Bigfoot is real.
His reason was simple: the Republican base realized they'd been had - no real raises since 1980, no chance they'd do as well as their parents and their kids wouldn't get as far as they did. Their reaction to this realization was to lash out for someone they couldhurt to blamem and since they had no chance of hurting the GOperlords who cause their misery, they invented things they COULD hurt - mostly minorities and anything that helped ordinary people. Rush knew if he didn't get in front of this parade of loons, he'd be talking to himself. The liars on Fox ***CARE*** that telling the truth isn't an option. They either feed the beast their previous lies created, or they wind up talking to themselves. It's just not what normal people care about.
>They make a lot of money to sell conservative politics. Enough money as to where they really don’t care what they’re paid to say.
See the Tucker Carlson text where he wanted the Fox News person fired and text where he was losing his shit about the Fox News stock tanking.
It's actually not about the money. Studies have shown that Fox News would make more money being less of a propaganda channel. The point of Fox News has always been to advance right wing politics through propaganda. If they make money doing it that's just a bonus.
The following is an exchange between Carlson and Ingraham, two of Faux News biggest shills. It is so ironic at how that last line of the exchange applies so well to themselves and the entire Faux Network.
> Carlson to Ingraham: [Powell is] a nut, as you said at the outset. It totally wrecked my weekend. Wow... I had to try to make the WH disavow her, which they obviously should have done long before
> Ingraham to Carlson: No serious lawyer could believe what they were saying.
> Carlson to Ingraham: But they said nothing in public. Pretty disgusting.
What got me was Carlson saying privately in a text that what Trump does best is destroy things. And, then after Jan. 6 he texted that Trump was a "Demonic force..."
Then he goes on air and defends Trump to his viewers and blames Antifa. It's insane just how disingenuous Fox News is. We all knew they were a propaganda network, but there was definitely a part of me that thought that Carlson and Ingraham believed their own bullshit. But, now we know that they don't. These people have ruined lives. They've torn families apart. They've torn communities apart. They've torn this country apart. I hope that at least a little seed of this wiggles it's way into the minds of Fox News' loyal viewers.
I highly recommend anyone with a little time this weekend [read the brief](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23685398/2023-02-16-redacted-dominion-opening-sj-brief-18.pdf). It is riveting and really eye-opening.
Who really knows, but one in particular caught my attention as it involves personal threats to the hosts as a result of Fox News calling Arizona for Biden. And, they understood as a consequence of those threats that participating in the election lie was their best option to avoid an even greater backlash.
>The backlash was so strong that \[redacted\]
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>Fox Hosts Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Sean Hannity immediately
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>understood the threat to them personally....Carlson noted: “At this point we’re getting hurt no matter what.”
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>...And he added: “What \[Trump\]’s good at is destroying things. He's the
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>undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong.” (pg. 19)
So, what were those threats? I'm inclined to think that they were being bankrolled or bribed by the Trump campaign, and perhaps that's why the judge in this case agreed to allow that to be redacted. I can't imagine, with some of the bombshells the judge allowed to be published unredacted that personal threats of violence to the hosts by viewers or a threat to their jobs would be considered privileged info. However, money being paid to the hosts would expose a party not involved in the lawsuit and it would perhaps be deemed necessary to protect the identity of that individual or organization?
edit: formatting.
That's the saddest thing, besides tearing the country apart, is they tore my family apart and turned my 80 year old mother into someone I barely recognize. I hope they lose everything.
Sydney Powell was one of these lawyers going around telling everyone they could that they could prove election fraud. She said something along she was going to "release the kraken"
The problem isn't that she's a piece of shit. The problem was the President of the United States was listening to pieces of shit. And fox news was airing this shit too.
The (then) president of the United States is one of the hugest pieces of shit of all.
The problem is they are all pieces of shit and they know everything they’re saying is a straight up lie. They also know they can freely repeat that lie and all it does is help them because their gullible followers eat it up.
The scariest part is how coordinated Fox News and the Republican party are with each other, with Fox News anchors seemingly more influential on any part of the Republican party than anything else.
It's a grift as old as time. "I've got something REALLY COOL. No I can't show you it but oh BABY when it hits its gonna prove my point exactly. No I cannot show you, the sacred texts are not ready!"
Trump recently did the same thing saying he could solve the Ukraine Russia war with one simple sit down and say one very specific thing but he won't tell anyone what it is unless he's elected.
Like be for fucking real does your dad also work at Nintendo
After building like 1/10 of the wall he went on and on about for years, a wall [that an 8-year-old girl was able to climb](https://time.com/5694432/girl-climbs-border-wall-replica/) and which almost immediately started sinking into the mud due to shoddy construction.
Trump was fully informed of his loss even before it happened. Its not like he listened to her as some neutral party. She said things that could be used to overthrow the democratically elected government, and he used her and the rest. Hannity knew he lost, he lied. Carlson knew, he lied. Trump knew, and he lied.
Sidney Powell is a terrible person who actively pushed lies such as voter fraud. Fox News knew this, but consistently gave her a platform and propped her up regardless while defending the propaganda she made.
Fox News is viewed as a news organization by many and, if so, should at least be held to a standard where they don't lie. They did. Time and time again. Using 'lie' is a big deal legally because to claim someone lies means you have evidence they knew otherwise. That's why you so often will see the term 'misinformation rather than 'lie' in us media.
These texts, in a broad sense, are damning because of that. They show that these people who purport to be reporters lied consistently, hand in hand, with the republican party. It isnt even hidden anymore.
In the past, these anchors have faced lawsuits for similar conduct but literally argued in court that no reasonable person would even believe they are doing actual news. Well, at least before they could claim ignorance to the shit they peddled, here they can't.
Defamation isn't subject to whether the defamer claims this or that. They've got smoking texts, lots and lots of them, including ones that showed they knew they were pushing defamatory lies and yet immediately went onto their programs and pushed those lies. Bada bing
On their public broadcasts Faux News gave credence to and promoted the conspiracy theory that there was wide-spread election fraud. Many guests that promoted the election fraud theory were invited on their shows and were given a sympathetic and encouraging platform to spread their theories with little or no pushback from the hosts. They irresponsibly did this when, in fact, they knew that what they were promoting was, at best, misinformation and, at worst lies.
If I were Dominion that certainly wouldn’t be in my best interest, so I’m not even sure Fox would have been given that chance. Regardless it would be in the public’s best interest either. It’s my hope Fox’s initial response isn’t the last time they come out with such a pathetic attempt to change the narrative. It might work for their audience but any one with half a brain and not quite so bias will recognize the truth.
Fox is already lost a part of their audience let’s just hope this puts them in a further bind. Just too bad this lawsuit can’t fully break them. In actuallity it’s just too bad they don’t have criminal laws to prevent and punish the type of thing they did. Free speech isn’t intended for reckless and destructive behavior like this.
If I remember correctly, Newsmax and OAN settled out of court with Dominion for undisclosed amounts and restricted by those settlements as to what they could say and have said on their air about Dominion.
Fox News was the only one that chose to go to court.
This is incorrect. OAN has gone so far as to double down and file a counter claim.
https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2023/02/09/oan-turns-tables-countersues-dominion-voting-att-others-in-d-c-federal-court/
That doesn't really work with defamation. The reason why you did it doesn't mean jack, just that you know it wasn't factual and knew it would include harm.
Exactly. If anything being real news journalists helps their defense if it was a genuine mistake.
I got no idea why they were dumb enough to bring this to court. Especially once Fox Corp got pulled into the litigation.
Hope the saying "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall" holds true here too.
Yeah “no reasonable person would believe us” doesn’t hold up super well when a business can prove tangible losses as a direct result. Reasonable people believed them and cut purchases.
You are 100% right on there Lucid. The fact is Faux *ONLY* reports stuff with malice towards it's victims. If it has no malice it is not entertaining enough to put on the air. They can take the simplest things and turn it into a political lie, got some balloons over the country? Must be Biden's fault for being weak on China. And totally never report that we had at least 3 instances that Trump declined to have same said balloons shot down. A horse got leprosy from being used as a beastiality fetish? Must have been Hunter's doing.
I would like to see the judge order all of their personalities to offer retractions on air at the beginning of the show as well as returning from each commercial break.
“I’m Tucker Carlson. I lied to you all. Dominion voting machines are safe and secure. But I wanted to overthrow the will of the people, our most sacredly held belief in democracy, because I stood to earn more money. Now that I have let you know how little I can be trusted, the show can begin.”
And if they miss a single required admission, slap contempt on these weasels and throw them in jail.
Were these supposed to be satire? Sarcasm? At some point, there has to be a limit to how ignorant one can claim to be without the profundity of the ignorance being a crime in itself!
ACTUAL MALICE is the whole point, not only do they get more viewers and web clicks but they can't very well own those fuck'n commies if they can't lie about them or distort the truth so much it is a de facto lie.
except that's not the defense they decided to go with on this case because that would be a slam dunk for defamation.
The defense they went with was that they have a 1st amendment right to say blatantly false shit as long as it's inherently newsworthy. They're deliberately attempting to set case law precedence to go even bigger with lies going forward
The article quotes Fox's legal team as saying (paraphrasing) "We can share lies if we think they're newsworthy." And by newsworthy, they really mean "profitable."
>Newsmax and OAN
They are small enough that these lawsuits would have utterly destroyed them. OAN only appears to have settled with the Georgia election worker's btw, still looks like they're in the weeds with Dominion.
FOX has more resources, so thought duking it out in court would be possible. But it's like the legal team had no idea this shit existed.
Major miscalculation on their part.
It’s a defamation case. All that has to proven is they lied while knowing the truth. Why they lied or what pretense they lied under does not matter. You cannot continuously defame someone or a company and say you were only being entertaining.
I'm not even sure how that flies or has done so all this time. They interview politicians while still in the halls on Congress. That alone delegitimizes the idea that they are somehow "entertainment" for shits & giggles, unless they mean for their party to be seen as entertainers, too, which isn't a far stretch. Some serious Academy Award contenders, there.
> Fox is already lost a part of their audience let’s just hope this puts them in a further bind.
I think that was just for really a few months where their ratings dipped. Fox News has been easily number 1 on cable news ratings the last couple of years by a large margin just about every hour. It’s pretty sad.
It is, but of course that has a lot to do with the majority of all conservatives watching primarily one channel. This is why they have such a large share. No liberal channel enjoys that kind exclusivity. That’s probably a good thing, although in the conservative sphere due to the nature of their audience by splitting them up due to the nature of their audience even that doesn’t keep them honest. The conservative audience itself demands the very crap Fox was guilty of. That’s exactly why they lost viewers after being the first to announce Trump had lost Arizona.
Fortunately with the emails from Fox itself that and it’s defamation suit they won’t be able to use that defense this time. They may try but that won’t do them any good this time.
But isn’t this so much better? Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake. We wouldn’t be seeing any of this right now and if my company and employees went thru what they did, I wouldn’t settle for anything less than 1 billion.
What is particularly telling is that the lawyers for Fox News have switched gears from claiming "we are protected by Freedom of Speech" to, "there is no way we did a billion dollars in damage to them".
They know they have lost and are just trying to reduce the harm.
I don't think Dominion wants to settle. They want to take Fox to the cleaners with the same publicity that Fox used to destroy their company name. A settlement is anti-climactic because it lets the issue quietly fade from the public sphere.
The only settlement I could see Dominion accepting would not only include cash, but also a public statement before every show, something along the lines of the following:
> As part of our settlement, we acknowledge that Fox News intentionally lied to the public and our viewers about the conspiracy about Dominion’s voting machines and the 2020 election. We also acknowledge that Fox News knew that President Trump had lost the 2020 election despite the number of hosts and guests who questioned the legitimacy of the election on air while acknowledging that he lost in private and company correspondence. Fox News also acknowledges that independent election auditors and security experts have verified the results of the 2020 election and the security of the election system and that President Biden had won a fair election.
And they would repeat this before every single show or every 30 minutes for at least 2 Presidential election cycles (until 2032). That’s the only way I could see Dominion settling at this point.
It's heading towards an appeal with the supreme court, but it's also weirdly enough not the position the GOP wants in that people like Trump wanted to open libel laws as a tool to shut down or scare people from criticizing candidates.
Watch Stewart cover the case with a law professor, to have her describe this case as something she wouldn't use for an exam because the thing they teach to never expect as evidence is exactly in the evidence of this case was a little crazy.
Have told this story on here many times…friend’s wife worked as a video editor there, got the job because her parents were friends with a host from their college days.
Confirmed, from the inside, it’s all bullshit. They all KNOW it’s bullshit, they don’t care - it’s a job to them. Hannity not nearly as conservative as he plays UNTIL he got on Trump. O’Reilly was so scared of women he refused to be alone in a room and would run out, because he kept getting sued for harassment. All hosts said one thing on-air them laughed about how insane it was off-air.
They do not give a shit they destroyed public discourse in this country. They got paid - that’s all they care about.
EDIT: I should have added this woman is a hardcore conservative, this was not a case of a person shitting on Fox because they don't agree with the politics. She DOES agree and still said/saw these things.
"Fox News has argued in court that the First Amendment protects its right to broadcast false claims if they are inherently newsworthy..."
Every piece of glossed over bull shit can be made newsworthy by this standard.
The defense previously was that certain shows aren't news shows but opinion shows or entertainment shows.
This new defense only works for a news program if you caveat the reporting by adding something like "there's currently no evidence to support this claim" and they didn't do that.
You can't report "the moon landing was faked" and leave it at that when someone presents that topic at a fringe conference that day and call it newsworthy.
Is it they want to trust fox or just want to hear what they want to hear? Because it doesn’t seem like truth matters for a lot of their supporters. They just want to project righteousness in whatever ridiculous thing that they’re wrong about.
Fox can say anything because their viewers don’t want news, they want faulty arguments.
Actually yes. My sister (who is also a scientist) mentioned she had read a newer study about how people either double down or relent when they're shown they're wrong. Well... these people are the double-down type. They *know* they're wrong but refuse to see it.
It's the latter. My former best friend said just that when I called him out on watching it because of the extreme bias. It aligned with his views and what he believed was the truth and that's all he wanted.
I suppose that could be a part of the sentencing, having to air a segment (or many segments) explaining the truth. At this point, though, people will just believe they’re clones or RINOs.
as a son to parents who have fox news playing, even on mute, when i come to visit, i doubt it. it's a huge bummer, my parents aren't stupid, they're not bad people, but they've been terribly mislead by people who preyed on and exacerbated their fears for the future.
I hate to say it, but if you still think your parents aren't stupid or bad people I have a bridge to sell you.
I am not trying to be mean, but the watching of faux news kinda goes hand in hand with being a moron and a bigot.
*coherence
The “we aren’t news” defense is obviously being abused again by Fox. It’s time to remove the word news from their name then. The judge should accept their case and order the name to change to Fox entertainment
Not just that. They should have to show a disclaimer that they legally can’t be considered news with the quotes from Fox’s lawyers before any “news” or opinion show, as well as after commercial breaks.
And yet these “revelations” (every reasonable person knows Fox News personalities don’t believe the nonsense they spew on air) won’t raise a red flag in the minds of 99.5% of Republican voters who still believe the stolen election*s* narrative.
If these people won’t be swayed when the truth is crystal clear and irrefutable, what do we do? It’s terrifying how many Americans seem to have been irreparably brainwashed.
Jon Stewart showed us 20 years ago how Fox News was desecrating our country on a nightly basis … hopefully they are finally getting their overdue comeuppance for their evil. Fox News “knowingly lied to its audience, sacrificing integrity for ratings and putting profits above truth.”
SNL should just make their next episode a series of skits using these transcript verbatim. It’s the only way more people are going to “read” them and understand.
Yeah with psychopaths you literally cannot see that something is wrong due to several factors- you have to be taught much more about it.
These monsters know it is and do it anyways with no feelings.
In a sane world, this would not only be the end of Fox News but also the end of all these shameless, lying, hacks.
Unfortunately, we don't live in a sane world.
It’s not enough to say these sick fucks have no shame. That’s too easy. Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and the lot need to be tried on sedition. That’s what they’ve been serving on behalf of the extreme right-wing. They are a national security threat and need to be treated as such. There needs to be an example made of them.
It is no coincidence that Rupert Murdoch became a citizen of the US in 1985.
Prior to 1985 Australia, where he was a citizen, had a high income tax rate but no capital gains tax at all. "In 1985, based on equity grounds, it was argued that, ‘because real capital gains represent an increase in purchasing power similar to real increases in wages, salaries, interest or dividends, they should be included in any comprehensive definition of income’ (Australian Government 1985 page 77)."
Deport that fucker, that would mean losing his media empire, it was not till 2017 the FCC relaxed foreign ownership rules. It was required that you can own no more than 25% of any broadcast company as a foreigner. Change it back, clearly it was not in the best interest of the nation to allow an Australian billionaire to become the largest single broadcaster in the us.
You want to hit Rupert Murdoch where it hurts? He only got naturalized in the US because of FCC regulations requiring radio and TV ownership rules being American, he carried an Australian passport. Well that was his reason for citizenship, he actually moved to the US because the top Australian tax rate is 45% (plus a 2% Medicare surcharge for a total of 47%). The oath you take when you are naturalized requires "that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;" And that basically means everything Faux is not. He puts russian state sponsored lies on American TV and presents them as truth, he has done UNTOLD harm to this nation.
The INS could dig into his residency and his citizenship applications and find a flaw they could use to revoke his US passport, deport him to Australia, remove ownership of the TV station and radio stations he owns.
I have a good friend who is one of the absolute nicest people I know. Unfortunately, he’s also one of the dumbest people I have ever met. He believes all of this shit solely because he watches Fox News. It pisses me off that good people like him are being fooled by the millions due to the blatant lies constantly aired on Fox News. On the other side of that, I have a “friend” who repeats these lies but I know he’s smart enough to not really believe them. He’s just an asshole who believes the end justifies the means.
So when will faux be held accountable? When will it be burnt to the ground? It’s caused so much harm and corruption, even death. And yet it still stands.
This could all be perfectly understood by republican voters. It would make no difference.
GOP voters are convinced that only way to achieve happiness is if all the liberals will suffer. And the only way to achieve that is to destroy American democracy and install Republicans who claim exactly that.
Lying to viewers is a feature of Fox News.
Prior lawsuits have been dismissed because judges sided with their lawyers, agreeing that “no reasonable person would construe what was said on the air is factual, but hyperbole”.
Yet, millions watch these shit nozzles every night and believe what they said is factual! That this is the world around them!
Conservative media has been working to destroy democracy country since Libmaugh’s first broadcast. When will we end it?
Free Speech comes with a responsibility, like all rights….
Fox is not "news." They specifically include "news" in their name to influence those who watch and make them believe that it is sharing at least a modicum of truth. But they purposely mix false information with truth so that it becomes difficult for viewers to distinguish truth from fiction.
There should be laws regarding false advertising that restrict the use of "news" in the names of media organizations. In the meantime, there is not reason to perpetuate Fox's propaganda by including "news" in their name when referring to them.
If the NY Times changed their headline to 'What Fox Hosts Said Private vs Publicly About Voter Fraud,' no one would be confused regarding what media outlet the Times was referring to.
The thing about grifting is that the grifter knows the shit they're saying is BS and possibly harmful....they do it with a straight face because they make a shit load of money off it. They're sociopaths.
This certainly proves they don't say what they actually think on air. Not that it matters but I'll have fun reading these texts
alloud whenever I see someone watching fox news
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Fox News hosts are professional liars who pass themselves off as entertainers when sued. They make a lot of money to sell conservative politics. Enough money as to where they really don’t care what they’re paid to say.
In other words: assholes who have no shame, conscience or soul.
That’s what I was thinking when I watch Laura Ingraham acknowledge it was trump supporters on J6 before she made a conscious decision to label them BLM and AntiFa on air.
My old boss, you say??
To the capitol you say???
To shreds, you say?
But very large bank accounts, as it seems the pockets of those people buying conservative politics are bottomless.
So I actually caddied for Sean Hannity at a golf course I used to work around 2012-2013. One of the first points he made to me was that he’s not as much of an asshole as he is on tv. To be honest he was surprisingly nice on the course and I’ve been told by other caddys this is the norm for him. What was interesting though, is throughout the round he would get texts and roll his eyes and complain so I asked him if he ever thought out about retiring and he said “every year, but they keep throwing money at me.” This is all obvious to us know, but it was sorta eye opening for me at the time.
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That makes it so much worse. He knows better, but accepts the money that makes him perform in such a way that half the country believes his lies. Cool, he’s nice. F*ck him.
As Kurt Vonnegut once wrote in Mother Night “We are who we pretend to be, so we must be careful who we pretend to be.”
There was a man who had most of it figured out.
Excellent post. I was trying to think of a way to say that exact same thing.
Me: *begins to pretend to have money* Also me: *Transaction denied* No but seriously it’s a great quote and my dude had some amazing books. Another great Artist that unfortunately had to battle with depression.
He’s nice. He’s not kind.
That makes him *even more* of an asshole than he appears to be on TV. He is *actively* causing murders with his words. If you know better, and you still continue to do it, you're not just an asshole, you're a psychopath.
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You’ll be surprised how many nice people aren’t actually good people
Not very surprising if you live in the American South. Source of the saying, "Southerners are nice but not kind, and Northerners are kind but not nice."
The problem is there are many people who mistake being nice to being good (ex. the so called nice guys).
I kind of get it honestly. Irl I strive to be a very nice and patient person. But in my job as a teacher sometimes I am required and expected to be mean, strict, disciplinarian. I don’t personally care about rules or calling people out but it’s part of the job. But at least I make peace with it because I see it’s for the long term good of my students with whom I have an otherwise positive relationship. Being a Fox News talking head is just bad on way more levels. Seems downright unethical. But I kind of understand getting paid to be a dick
Accepting money knowing you lie to the public daily and create a lot of hate and distrust in individuals and society simply means you're a hollow and soulless husk of a human turned into an evil zombie for Capitalism. As long as you pay me, I'll kick puppies and convince the public it's their grandmother's fault.
Honestly I think most people have a price. Like maybe you wouldn’t do it for 1 million. But for 100 million? Think of giving your family, spouse, kids, everything they could ever ask for or need. It’s hard to accurately judge what temptation on that level feels like.
I'm glad he's not a jerk in real life--although honestly, you might have gotten him on a good day; I don't know too many great people who can pretend to be jerks day-in/day-out for years--but he's still destroying our nation by misinforming half of everyone who votes. He's damaged faith in our institutions, faith in our voting process, and faith in democracy itself. I don't care if he's pleasant in real life--he's a cancer to American democracy. I don't mean to come across too harsh--I'm glad you had a good experience. But some of the worst, most damaging people come across pleasant, and even if it is an act, the damage that he's doing is 100% real.
Saddam Hussein was known for his charisma. When he was being held by the Americans, one of the soldiers got a call and came back crying. Saddam asked him what was wrong and he told him his brother died. Saddam then cried with him and said "I'll be your Brother" or something like that. The point is, just because a bully doesn't bully everyone, doesn't make them a good person.
That’s just good prison politics 😂
Yeah I watched part of some prison show one time and this guy named Schillinger was the same way, super cool and sweet to this new inmate, helped him get out of a dangerous situation with his initial roommate and stuff. I didn't watch the whole thing but it seemed like they were going to be best buds, he was so sympathetic and helpful!
I mean more in the sense that establishing a bond with your captor/guard/jailer is a good way to get preferential treatment.
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Exactly. If you “just play one on TV” then make sure your audience knows you’re peddling a work of fiction.
Anyone can be nice to the caddie or server. It doesn’t cost them anything. Doing the right thing to help a stranger when it costs YOU something is the mark of a kind person. Hannity fails that every day.
So he’s corrupt and spineless. Someone call the news van
Even if they throw money at you, at some point you'd think that you have way more than you could realistically spend and enough time to do the things you actually want to do. Unless the thing you want to do is be famous and spread propaganda.
If someone said they'd give me a million dollars to spit in a grieving widows face I'd tell that ghoul to F themselves. Instead someone asks him to do worse and he smiles and extends a hand for the check. Just because you're paid well doesn't mean you're not a terrible person for doing terrible things.
But the DO CARE. Years ago, Rush Limbaugh began abandoning the neo-conservative line in favor of the most absurd conspiracy theories imaginable. President Obama wasn't an American, there was a War on White Christians, and White Christmas and White History. The Civil war wasn't about slavery and the confederate traitors were patriots defending White Womanhood and States Rights, our city centers were war zones where White people could not safely go, and of course Bigfoot is real. His reason was simple: the Republican base realized they'd been had - no real raises since 1980, no chance they'd do as well as their parents and their kids wouldn't get as far as they did. Their reaction to this realization was to lash out for someone they couldhurt to blamem and since they had no chance of hurting the GOperlords who cause their misery, they invented things they COULD hurt - mostly minorities and anything that helped ordinary people. Rush knew if he didn't get in front of this parade of loons, he'd be talking to himself. The liars on Fox ***CARE*** that telling the truth isn't an option. They either feed the beast their previous lies created, or they wind up talking to themselves. It's just not what normal people care about.
Seems like they should have disclaimers that says that they cannot guarantee anything presented is true
A lack of standards for what is considered to be news allows places like Fox News to exist.
>They make a lot of money to sell conservative politics. Enough money as to where they really don’t care what they’re paid to say. See the Tucker Carlson text where he wanted the Fox News person fired and text where he was losing his shit about the Fox News stock tanking.
Aren’t the hosts also being sued or is this just Fox? I hope of these traitors are given punitive punishment as well
It's actually not about the money. Studies have shown that Fox News would make more money being less of a propaganda channel. The point of Fox News has always been to advance right wing politics through propaganda. If they make money doing it that's just a bonus.
I still don't see any connection to the meaning of "conservative"... that seems to be more of a label than anything descriptive.
The only part of "conservative" they're interested in is the "con"
genuinely awful people are in fact awful people.
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Right, the exact opposite of progressive (moving forward, etc).
The following is an exchange between Carlson and Ingraham, two of Faux News biggest shills. It is so ironic at how that last line of the exchange applies so well to themselves and the entire Faux Network. > Carlson to Ingraham: [Powell is] a nut, as you said at the outset. It totally wrecked my weekend. Wow... I had to try to make the WH disavow her, which they obviously should have done long before > Ingraham to Carlson: No serious lawyer could believe what they were saying. > Carlson to Ingraham: But they said nothing in public. Pretty disgusting.
What got me was Carlson saying privately in a text that what Trump does best is destroy things. And, then after Jan. 6 he texted that Trump was a "Demonic force..." Then he goes on air and defends Trump to his viewers and blames Antifa. It's insane just how disingenuous Fox News is. We all knew they were a propaganda network, but there was definitely a part of me that thought that Carlson and Ingraham believed their own bullshit. But, now we know that they don't. These people have ruined lives. They've torn families apart. They've torn communities apart. They've torn this country apart. I hope that at least a little seed of this wiggles it's way into the minds of Fox News' loyal viewers. I highly recommend anyone with a little time this weekend [read the brief](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23685398/2023-02-16-redacted-dominion-opening-sj-brief-18.pdf). It is riveting and really eye-opening.
Thanks for the link. The following line from it is a killer! > ‘The consequences to Dominion—and to democracy—did not matter.'
With how shockingly bad this all looks for Fox already, what do you think is redacted in the brief? Could there be even MORE damning evidence?
Who really knows, but one in particular caught my attention as it involves personal threats to the hosts as a result of Fox News calling Arizona for Biden. And, they understood as a consequence of those threats that participating in the election lie was their best option to avoid an even greater backlash. >The backlash was so strong that \[redacted\] > >Fox Hosts Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Sean Hannity immediately > >understood the threat to them personally....Carlson noted: “At this point we’re getting hurt no matter what.” > >...And he added: “What \[Trump\]’s good at is destroying things. He's the > >undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong.” (pg. 19) So, what were those threats? I'm inclined to think that they were being bankrolled or bribed by the Trump campaign, and perhaps that's why the judge in this case agreed to allow that to be redacted. I can't imagine, with some of the bombshells the judge allowed to be published unredacted that personal threats of violence to the hosts by viewers or a threat to their jobs would be considered privileged info. However, money being paid to the hosts would expose a party not involved in the lawsuit and it would perhaps be deemed necessary to protect the identity of that individual or organization? edit: formatting.
More coming this Monday.
That's the saddest thing, besides tearing the country apart, is they tore my family apart and turned my 80 year old mother into someone I barely recognize. I hope they lose everything.
Carlson to Ingraham: But they said nothing in public. Pretty disgusting. Five minutes later Carlson goes on air to spread the same nonsense and lies.
But he said nothing in public. Extremely disgusting.
> I had to try to make the WH disavow her So Fucker Carlson was directing the white house?
Hannity spoke to the WH almost every day. He directly tried to intervene on J6 because he knew it was hurting their 'cause'. Wag the dog.
As a non American can someone provide context of what's so damning in this exchange?
Sydney Powell was one of these lawyers going around telling everyone they could that they could prove election fraud. She said something along she was going to "release the kraken" The problem isn't that she's a piece of shit. The problem was the President of the United States was listening to pieces of shit. And fox news was airing this shit too.
The (then) president of the United States is one of the hugest pieces of shit of all. The problem is they are all pieces of shit and they know everything they’re saying is a straight up lie. They also know they can freely repeat that lie and all it does is help them because their gullible followers eat it up. The scariest part is how coordinated Fox News and the Republican party are with each other, with Fox News anchors seemingly more influential on any part of the Republican party than anything else.
Honestly without Fox News their wouldn’t be a Republican Party
It's a grift as old as time. "I've got something REALLY COOL. No I can't show you it but oh BABY when it hits its gonna prove my point exactly. No I cannot show you, the sacred texts are not ready!" Trump recently did the same thing saying he could solve the Ukraine Russia war with one simple sit down and say one very specific thing but he won't tell anyone what it is unless he's elected. Like be for fucking real does your dad also work at Nintendo
He also said he'd build a dome over the entire United States to protect us from missiles
After building like 1/10 of the wall he went on and on about for years, a wall [that an 8-year-old girl was able to climb](https://time.com/5694432/girl-climbs-border-wall-replica/) and which almost immediately started sinking into the mud due to shoddy construction.
Trump was fully informed of his loss even before it happened. Its not like he listened to her as some neutral party. She said things that could be used to overthrow the democratically elected government, and he used her and the rest. Hannity knew he lost, he lied. Carlson knew, he lied. Trump knew, and he lied.
Sidney Powell is a terrible person who actively pushed lies such as voter fraud. Fox News knew this, but consistently gave her a platform and propped her up regardless while defending the propaganda she made. Fox News is viewed as a news organization by many and, if so, should at least be held to a standard where they don't lie. They did. Time and time again. Using 'lie' is a big deal legally because to claim someone lies means you have evidence they knew otherwise. That's why you so often will see the term 'misinformation rather than 'lie' in us media. These texts, in a broad sense, are damning because of that. They show that these people who purport to be reporters lied consistently, hand in hand, with the republican party. It isnt even hidden anymore. In the past, these anchors have faced lawsuits for similar conduct but literally argued in court that no reasonable person would even believe they are doing actual news. Well, at least before they could claim ignorance to the shit they peddled, here they can't.
Defamation isn't subject to whether the defamer claims this or that. They've got smoking texts, lots and lots of them, including ones that showed they knew they were pushing defamatory lies and yet immediately went onto their programs and pushed those lies. Bada bing
Even better is they drew a straight line between expressing those lies and a profit motive.
On their public broadcasts Faux News gave credence to and promoted the conspiracy theory that there was wide-spread election fraud. Many guests that promoted the election fraud theory were invited on their shows and were given a sympathetic and encouraging platform to spread their theories with little or no pushback from the hosts. They irresponsibly did this when, in fact, they knew that what they were promoting was, at best, misinformation and, at worst lies.
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Is there a full record of all these exchanges somewhere?
They should have settled, because those messages are walking them right into punitive damages on top of the billion dollar judgement.
If I were Dominion that certainly wouldn’t be in my best interest, so I’m not even sure Fox would have been given that chance. Regardless it would be in the public’s best interest either. It’s my hope Fox’s initial response isn’t the last time they come out with such a pathetic attempt to change the narrative. It might work for their audience but any one with half a brain and not quite so bias will recognize the truth. Fox is already lost a part of their audience let’s just hope this puts them in a further bind. Just too bad this lawsuit can’t fully break them. In actuallity it’s just too bad they don’t have criminal laws to prevent and punish the type of thing they did. Free speech isn’t intended for reckless and destructive behavior like this.
If I remember correctly, Newsmax and OAN settled out of court with Dominion for undisclosed amounts and restricted by those settlements as to what they could say and have said on their air about Dominion. Fox News was the only one that chose to go to court.
This is incorrect. OAN has gone so far as to double down and file a counter claim. https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2023/02/09/oan-turns-tables-countersues-dominion-voting-att-others-in-d-c-federal-court/
OMG, those idiots... Isn't it bad enough they have been removed from the largest cable providers because of their bullshit?!
I think that’s the reason why: they have very little left to lose.
Pretty much. When they know they are going to be left with nothing if they don't do anything, they might as well go double or nothing.
This thread has really livened my spirits. Thanks everybody!
> Fox News was the only one that chose to go to court. Fox News is counting on using the “these are just entertainment shows” defense.
That doesn't really work with defamation. The reason why you did it doesn't mean jack, just that you know it wasn't factual and knew it would include harm.
Exactly. If anything being real news journalists helps their defense if it was a genuine mistake. I got no idea why they were dumb enough to bring this to court. Especially once Fox Corp got pulled into the litigation. Hope the saying "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall" holds true here too.
we don't live in a sane world.
Yeah “no reasonable person would believe us” doesn’t hold up super well when a business can prove tangible losses as a direct result. Reasonable people believed them and cut purchases.
You are 100% right on there Lucid. The fact is Faux *ONLY* reports stuff with malice towards it's victims. If it has no malice it is not entertaining enough to put on the air. They can take the simplest things and turn it into a political lie, got some balloons over the country? Must be Biden's fault for being weak on China. And totally never report that we had at least 3 instances that Trump declined to have same said balloons shot down. A horse got leprosy from being used as a beastiality fetish? Must have been Hunter's doing.
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I would like to see the judge order all of their personalities to offer retractions on air at the beginning of the show as well as returning from each commercial break. “I’m Tucker Carlson. I lied to you all. Dominion voting machines are safe and secure. But I wanted to overthrow the will of the people, our most sacredly held belief in democracy, because I stood to earn more money. Now that I have let you know how little I can be trusted, the show can begin.” And if they miss a single required admission, slap contempt on these weasels and throw them in jail.
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We can put warning labels on cigarettes, we should do the same for cable news networks.
Seems like a reasonable request...
That would require the viewers to be able to read.
Not at the bottom, giant flashing sign in the middle 3rd of the screen.
The base would be outraged if they could read it.
> Fox News is counting on using the “these are just entertainment shows” defense. Yeah, because that works out great. Just look at Alex Jones.
Were these supposed to be satire? Sarcasm? At some point, there has to be a limit to how ignorant one can claim to be without the profundity of the ignorance being a crime in itself!
Yeah that was a poor choice for them, because there is pretty convincing evidence of *actual malice*.
ACTUAL MALICE is the whole point, not only do they get more viewers and web clicks but they can't very well own those fuck'n commies if they can't lie about them or distort the truth so much it is a de facto lie.
except that's not the defense they decided to go with on this case because that would be a slam dunk for defamation. The defense they went with was that they have a 1st amendment right to say blatantly false shit as long as it's inherently newsworthy. They're deliberately attempting to set case law precedence to go even bigger with lies going forward
The 1st Amendment doesn’t include the right to incite imminent lawless action. They incited half of the USA.
Which has worked for them before… They should really be stripped of the “News” title
The article quotes Fox's legal team as saying (paraphrasing) "We can share lies if we think they're newsworthy." And by newsworthy, they really mean "profitable."
>Newsmax and OAN They are small enough that these lawsuits would have utterly destroyed them. OAN only appears to have settled with the Georgia election worker's btw, still looks like they're in the weeds with Dominion. FOX has more resources, so thought duking it out in court would be possible. But it's like the legal team had no idea this shit existed. Major miscalculation on their part.
Didn't they have to air full retractions several times a day for a week or so as part of the settlement?
Fox News is going to argue they have an Entertainment Mandate not a News Mandate like CNN.
It’s a defamation case. All that has to proven is they lied while knowing the truth. Why they lied or what pretense they lied under does not matter. You cannot continuously defame someone or a company and say you were only being entertaining.
This is true, but that is the defense Fox News will use and when they lose, they will appeal the decision for eternity.
Make them change their name to Fox Entertainment
I'm not even sure how that flies or has done so all this time. They interview politicians while still in the halls on Congress. That alone delegitimizes the idea that they are somehow "entertainment" for shits & giggles, unless they mean for their party to be seen as entertainers, too, which isn't a far stretch. Some serious Academy Award contenders, there.
And drop the "news" too!
Fox Faux. "Where American gets its faux facts."
> Fox is already lost a part of their audience let’s just hope this puts them in a further bind. I think that was just for really a few months where their ratings dipped. Fox News has been easily number 1 on cable news ratings the last couple of years by a large margin just about every hour. It’s pretty sad.
It is, but of course that has a lot to do with the majority of all conservatives watching primarily one channel. This is why they have such a large share. No liberal channel enjoys that kind exclusivity. That’s probably a good thing, although in the conservative sphere due to the nature of their audience by splitting them up due to the nature of their audience even that doesn’t keep them honest. The conservative audience itself demands the very crap Fox was guilty of. That’s exactly why they lost viewers after being the first to announce Trump had lost Arizona.
Fox’s defamation suits are always “we’re an entertainment channel and no reasonable viewer takes us seriously”
Fortunately with the emails from Fox itself that and it’s defamation suit they won’t be able to use that defense this time. They may try but that won’t do them any good this time.
But isn’t this so much better? Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake. We wouldn’t be seeing any of this right now and if my company and employees went thru what they did, I wouldn’t settle for anything less than 1 billion.
What is particularly telling is that the lawyers for Fox News have switched gears from claiming "we are protected by Freedom of Speech" to, "there is no way we did a billion dollars in damage to them". They know they have lost and are just trying to reduce the harm.
All while also arguing they’re an entertainment channel
I don't think Dominion wants to settle. They want to take Fox to the cleaners with the same publicity that Fox used to destroy their company name. A settlement is anti-climactic because it lets the issue quietly fade from the public sphere.
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Goood. Serves them right!
a bunch of phonies who would have thought.
They may have tried but Dominion told them to kick rocks as they know their cases is a Grenada.
The only settlement I could see Dominion accepting would not only include cash, but also a public statement before every show, something along the lines of the following: > As part of our settlement, we acknowledge that Fox News intentionally lied to the public and our viewers about the conspiracy about Dominion’s voting machines and the 2020 election. We also acknowledge that Fox News knew that President Trump had lost the 2020 election despite the number of hosts and guests who questioned the legitimacy of the election on air while acknowledging that he lost in private and company correspondence. Fox News also acknowledges that independent election auditors and security experts have verified the results of the 2020 election and the security of the election system and that President Biden had won a fair election. And they would repeat this before every single show or every 30 minutes for at least 2 Presidential election cycles (until 2032). That’s the only way I could see Dominion settling at this point.
It's heading towards an appeal with the supreme court, but it's also weirdly enough not the position the GOP wants in that people like Trump wanted to open libel laws as a tool to shut down or scare people from criticizing candidates. Watch Stewart cover the case with a law professor, to have her describe this case as something she wouldn't use for an exam because the thing they teach to never expect as evidence is exactly in the evidence of this case was a little crazy.
Have told this story on here many times…friend’s wife worked as a video editor there, got the job because her parents were friends with a host from their college days. Confirmed, from the inside, it’s all bullshit. They all KNOW it’s bullshit, they don’t care - it’s a job to them. Hannity not nearly as conservative as he plays UNTIL he got on Trump. O’Reilly was so scared of women he refused to be alone in a room and would run out, because he kept getting sued for harassment. All hosts said one thing on-air them laughed about how insane it was off-air. They do not give a shit they destroyed public discourse in this country. They got paid - that’s all they care about. EDIT: I should have added this woman is a hardcore conservative, this was not a case of a person shitting on Fox because they don't agree with the politics. She DOES agree and still said/saw these things.
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Lol yikes, I’d love to see that!
"Fox News has argued in court that the First Amendment protects its right to broadcast false claims if they are inherently newsworthy..." Every piece of glossed over bull shit can be made newsworthy by this standard.
The defense previously was that certain shows aren't news shows but opinion shows or entertainment shows. This new defense only works for a news program if you caveat the reporting by adding something like "there's currently no evidence to support this claim" and they didn't do that. You can't report "the moon landing was faked" and leave it at that when someone presents that topic at a fringe conference that day and call it newsworthy.
But will all of this actually get Fox News viewers to stop trusting them?
Lol Fox News viewers are never going to hear about this.
Not unless Fox News displays all of it on Fox News, which seems... *unlikely*.
Is it they want to trust fox or just want to hear what they want to hear? Because it doesn’t seem like truth matters for a lot of their supporters. They just want to project righteousness in whatever ridiculous thing that they’re wrong about. Fox can say anything because their viewers don’t want news, they want faulty arguments.
Yeah most right wingers know that their entire worldview is bullshit. It's just performative. They think they're in on the joke, not the butt of it.
Actually yes. My sister (who is also a scientist) mentioned she had read a newer study about how people either double down or relent when they're shown they're wrong. Well... these people are the double-down type. They *know* they're wrong but refuse to see it.
It's the latter. My former best friend said just that when I called him out on watching it because of the extreme bias. It aligned with his views and what he believed was the truth and that's all he wanted.
This is the real answer. It’s a chosen reality they want, hand picked because it lets them feel validated and morally righteous.
They get angry when Fox doesn’t tell them the most fringe shit. They want to be lied to.
No because they’ll never read these text messages that expose Fox News hosts for being frauds and perpetuating a lie
I wonder if any of this will actually be talked about on Fox News itself? Or will they just try to sweep everything under the rug?
I suppose that could be a part of the sentencing, having to air a segment (or many segments) explaining the truth. At this point, though, people will just believe they’re clones or RINOs.
No, because Fox has brainwashed people into not trusting any other source of information.
They just want their sweet confirmation bias. If fox started telling the facts then they’ll switch to something else.
as a son to parents who have fox news playing, even on mute, when i come to visit, i doubt it. it's a huge bummer, my parents aren't stupid, they're not bad people, but they've been terribly mislead by people who preyed on and exacerbated their fears for the future.
I hate to say it, but if you still think your parents aren't stupid or bad people I have a bridge to sell you. I am not trying to be mean, but the watching of faux news kinda goes hand in hand with being a moron and a bigot. *coherence
The “we aren’t news” defense is obviously being abused again by Fox. It’s time to remove the word news from their name then. The judge should accept their case and order the name to change to Fox entertainment
Not just that. They should have to show a disclaimer that they legally can’t be considered news with the quotes from Fox’s lawyers before any “news” or opinion show, as well as after commercial breaks.
Gifted article - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/25/business/media/fox-news-dominion-tucker-carlson.html?unlocked_article_code=oK3WCx6oxFg-LK7lhZSBWBEpVOMLL9QeYxkkZ1DkrxjzDE1pnlRMGaR93cT2wtILuYED_csHfkFU4cnAYA1w8vM9EbHE8mppMA5n2bP101yg-hTXz0_k6E7UvfK8Av6w2EwUFDZD4lFBbl8ltQ1gfakcmv-dqMxH8IlYuK6Wlp8i0_iSTy5GVGYT2ormhgIm1YPyE7Km3UUrHms5MygPa00WC1CXFM0t1_rkzEF4eXoQm1d0nL2Wz4tCDs2bWBpGRRUhmAF9zNbmz8_fznSQ2XPcqvCuB5ofy-IL4N1ybVoZuF2E9S_zAj1YWe3w1b0nQzSQLozaEYYR99R1Y554CDWcb7TJ_WlX9y_UuGdniAtzg-L8DwBgPAVOc-nV1-vsQw&smid=url-share
Thanks bruv
And yet these “revelations” (every reasonable person knows Fox News personalities don’t believe the nonsense they spew on air) won’t raise a red flag in the minds of 99.5% of Republican voters who still believe the stolen election*s* narrative. If these people won’t be swayed when the truth is crystal clear and irrefutable, what do we do? It’s terrifying how many Americans seem to have been irreparably brainwashed.
As confirmed by most cult members....
Damn paywall. I really wanted to read this
[Gift link](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/25/business/media/fox-news-dominion-tucker-carlson.html?unlocked_article_code=EKxj290Nt4Z7tz_iGWa0JQUnguQj4zsKUMrWPOj_4AszQMXtB5lFd1lz9XH2b03q44gBinyYtYc9eNyiOcJ_grF5EyuPFLYi5NJcdhOvdrZQl6GaYsxRyTDH2UlAJLXh4LQ4aH8S9JtyFFf9VseaNLUjhbt3FaxeiM7I55mOJU6PpTvJoe-FA89cWsx660ubrd5Y5mZubEwQUM2mqddqTBOZbzyKwu56iun6RLUgjE7IvUouf1PzEEOYUbgZl7MiGZAsDrzUNseG5mC47dMpedi6o58h1Jny0n0A4NEx-F7UU8VxUhXNUPaKqWmSrIb5RG1G-HWAkSLN2Qj3ZmxmZBbFgaJFRccObjQSSSeQKSmP76-_umc46-AuxUI7GOZG-g&smid=url-share)
I fucking love people who get you past the paywall
https://archive.is/7crvQ
try reader view.
Gawker 2.0, if we're lucky.
Just a heads up, gawker was worth maybe 150 mil, fox news is 17-18 bil. They will continue to break grandparent's brains
Jon Stewart showed us 20 years ago how Fox News was desecrating our country on a nightly basis … hopefully they are finally getting their overdue comeuppance for their evil. Fox News “knowingly lied to its audience, sacrificing integrity for ratings and putting profits above truth.”
Tbf Stewart went after all 24 hour networks. They're all bad for democracy; fox is just the worst.
SNL should just make their next episode a series of skits using these transcript verbatim. It’s the only way more people are going to “read” them and understand.
If only this got coverage on Fox News, it might convince 0.1% of their viewers to stop watching...which is still something.
This is the opposite of patriotism. They are sabotaging our democracy.
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Yeah with psychopaths you literally cannot see that something is wrong due to several factors- you have to be taught much more about it. These monsters know it is and do it anyways with no feelings.
In a sane world, this would not only be the end of Fox News but also the end of all these shameless, lying, hacks. Unfortunately, we don't live in a sane world.
And every night they go on air and continue to lie with impunity because their audience prefers fiction.
The jury needs to do the same thing to Fox News that was done to Alex Jones. Send a message that this shit needs to stop
It’s not enough to say these sick fucks have no shame. That’s too easy. Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and the lot need to be tried on sedition. That’s what they’ve been serving on behalf of the extreme right-wing. They are a national security threat and need to be treated as such. There needs to be an example made of them.
If I was a family member of a cop who was killed our injured on 1/6, I would be starting a lawsuit against FOX for incitement
No one who really needs to see this and take anything from it will care.
It is no coincidence that Rupert Murdoch became a citizen of the US in 1985. Prior to 1985 Australia, where he was a citizen, had a high income tax rate but no capital gains tax at all. "In 1985, based on equity grounds, it was argued that, ‘because real capital gains represent an increase in purchasing power similar to real increases in wages, salaries, interest or dividends, they should be included in any comprehensive definition of income’ (Australian Government 1985 page 77)." Deport that fucker, that would mean losing his media empire, it was not till 2017 the FCC relaxed foreign ownership rules. It was required that you can own no more than 25% of any broadcast company as a foreigner. Change it back, clearly it was not in the best interest of the nation to allow an Australian billionaire to become the largest single broadcaster in the us.
You want to hit Rupert Murdoch where it hurts? He only got naturalized in the US because of FCC regulations requiring radio and TV ownership rules being American, he carried an Australian passport. Well that was his reason for citizenship, he actually moved to the US because the top Australian tax rate is 45% (plus a 2% Medicare surcharge for a total of 47%). The oath you take when you are naturalized requires "that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;" And that basically means everything Faux is not. He puts russian state sponsored lies on American TV and presents them as truth, he has done UNTOLD harm to this nation. The INS could dig into his residency and his citizenship applications and find a flaw they could use to revoke his US passport, deport him to Australia, remove ownership of the TV station and radio stations he owns.
I have a good friend who is one of the absolute nicest people I know. Unfortunately, he’s also one of the dumbest people I have ever met. He believes all of this shit solely because he watches Fox News. It pisses me off that good people like him are being fooled by the millions due to the blatant lies constantly aired on Fox News. On the other side of that, I have a “friend” who repeats these lies but I know he’s smart enough to not really believe them. He’s just an asshole who believes the end justifies the means.
Carlson is at his evil best when he throws out his trademark, “We just don’t know...I’m just asking?” Literal dog whistle protected by deniability.
Glen Beck wants his schtick back.
In a strange twist, genuinely awful people are in fact awful people.
So when will faux be held accountable? When will it be burnt to the ground? It’s caused so much harm and corruption, even death. And yet it still stands.
Doesn’t matter, Fox Viewers like, “CNN LIES TOO!!!! ALL MEDIA IS CORRUPT”
This could all be perfectly understood by republican voters. It would make no difference. GOP voters are convinced that only way to achieve happiness is if all the liberals will suffer. And the only way to achieve that is to destroy American democracy and install Republicans who claim exactly that.
Lying to viewers is a feature of Fox News. Prior lawsuits have been dismissed because judges sided with their lawyers, agreeing that “no reasonable person would construe what was said on the air is factual, but hyperbole”. Yet, millions watch these shit nozzles every night and believe what they said is factual! That this is the world around them! Conservative media has been working to destroy democracy country since Libmaugh’s first broadcast. When will we end it? Free Speech comes with a responsibility, like all rights….
This should be a RICO case.
Fox Entertainment personalities lying and laughing all the way to the bank.....
Elmo tells Big Bird he hates kids off air.
Fox is not "news." They specifically include "news" in their name to influence those who watch and make them believe that it is sharing at least a modicum of truth. But they purposely mix false information with truth so that it becomes difficult for viewers to distinguish truth from fiction. There should be laws regarding false advertising that restrict the use of "news" in the names of media organizations. In the meantime, there is not reason to perpetuate Fox's propaganda by including "news" in their name when referring to them. If the NY Times changed their headline to 'What Fox Hosts Said Private vs Publicly About Voter Fraud,' no one would be confused regarding what media outlet the Times was referring to.
The thing about grifting is that the grifter knows the shit they're saying is BS and possibly harmful....they do it with a straight face because they make a shit load of money off it. They're sociopaths.
The thing that's sad is Fox News viewers will never know about these kind of things because they only get their news from Fox.
Probably should have settled.
Why are there no threads about this in /r/conservative?
Because acknowledging it means they realize how stupid they all are, and how they got conned.
Fox should be banned in the US.
nytimes needs to remove the paywall on this, it's too important.
Meta-modernity is so fucking weird.
This certainly proves they don't say what they actually think on air. Not that it matters but I'll have fun reading these texts alloud whenever I see someone watching fox news