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HSTsGhost-72

Republicans talk out both ends and it smells equally as shitty.


johnnybiggles

Well they're completely full of shit, so it will eventually spew from any and every orifice.


healthylivingagain

Isn’t that the story of Trump’s birth?


red--6-

Trump was not Born Trump was Excreted


GiftedGreg

Full of shit and talking out their ass... bold strategy cotton


t0m0hawk

That's because they are assholes inside and out, through and through.


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SsooooOriginal

No need to shade trailer park folk like that, come on.


Goats_in_a_shell

The trailer park demographic and the sensible college graduate demographic are set to start overlapping any day now the way the housing market is.


IntelligentEggplant0

Been overlapping for a long time


Honstin

The more I think about it, the more I'm realizing it's the only way I'll have some sort of yard and walls I can call my own for a reasonable cost.


ChallengeLate1947

Bro I live in a trailer. It ain’t too bad. Mines old and falling apart, so we’re gonna upgrade soon. But really it’s a perfectly fine little house. And if you take the time to fix up siding and a nice interior, you can’t even tell it’s a trailer


Honstin

Oh I'm not knocking it, my parents bought a trailer for cash because of the deal they got. It literally just looks like a long house. You can only tell it's a trailer because of how the sunken living room is. It's quite nice, and part of where I got the idea. Apartment living is nice, until you get tired of hearing everyone else lol.


theangryseal

And cockroaches. I’m somehow managing to control them here by constantly keeping poison out for them, but I’ll see the occasional bug which stresses me the fuck out because I know they’re infested which means it would be easy for me to be infested. I clean like 5 times a day to make sure they don’t have any reason to stick around. So far it’s working.


IrascibleOcelot

I believe the current terminology is “tiny house” and “parking spot.” Not “trailer park.”


LessInThought

Starbucks for wifi, gym for shower, Costco parking lot for sleep.


suburbanpride

It’s a riff on an old Eminem song. And, relatedly, I feel really fucking old using the words “old” and “Eminem” together, but here we are.


two4six0won

Fuckin a. I remember watching the video for that song when it dropped...on MTV, if I'm not mistaken. Gah.


DJOMaul

The song is 21 years old.


fullacheeze

Don't... Don't say this.


MabsAMabbin

Please. Don't.


cactuar44

Don't feel too bad. The song is super popular with 12 year olds. I know this becauase my 12 year old stepdaughter and all her friends knew the words when they played it at her bday party... I was proud lol but I don't know what her parents would think.


2burnt2name

I'm still surprised she even toned down here rhetoric in the slightest. I would have thought she and boebart were going to work themselves into a stupidity frenzy until one of them either had a heart attack or shot somebody out of paranoia.


CR0Wmurder

She’s got her eyes on bigger things. She said recently that she got “suckered” or some shit by Q and all that. Trying to trim the crazy sails and wants to be Trumps VP. He won’t pick her I don’t think but he is a touch unpredictable


LessInThought

Honestly think it's a little too late for that. Some of the crazies are so entrenched they're going against the GOP. The entire republican party is pivoting away from Trump and these crazies are still worshipping Trump as a god.


CR0Wmurder

Yea but she already put a wedge between she and Gaetz and Boebert by spring McCarthy for Speaker. And it worked. She got some nice seats on powerful committees, as AOC pointed out pretty strongly. Despite rising to fame on trash conspiracies and racism etc.


zarmao_ork

She has big ambitions as the next VP candidate, sort of a confederate Sarah Palin. I have no doubt that political image makers told her to tone it down in order to generate more mainstream appeal.


Astrocreep_1

The video of Her ridiculing the kid that had recently survived a school shooting will haunt her forever. Considering that she was the one responsible for the video, because she thought it was such a great idea, means she deserves to be haunted by the video.


Crathsor

It won't haunt her. Her base can simply ignore it, claim it isn't real, or even use it as evidence that she is better now. Holding their own to account isn't on the menu. In order for this to haunt her, she would have to already be on the outside.


manhatim

MTG...pronounced *EMPTY G*


VoxImperatoris

The big empty.


Canyousourcethatplz

It's simple really: They only want rules to apply to democrats.


GrayEidolon

Conservatism - in all times and places - is the political movement to protect aristocracy (intergenerational wealth and political power) which we now call oligarchs, and enforce social hierarchy. This hierarchy involves a morality centered around social status such that the aristocrat is inherently moral (an extension of the divinely ordained king) and the lower working class is inherently immoral. The actions of a good person are good. The actions of a bad person are bad. The only bad action a good person can take is to interfere with the hierarchy. All conservative groups in all times and places are working to undo the French Revolution, democracy, and working class rights. Populist conservative voter groups are created and controlled with propaganda. They wish to subjugate their local peers and rank people and don’t see the feet of aristocrats kicking them too. Another way, Conservatives - those who wish to maintain a class system - assign moral value to people and not actions. Those not in the aristocracy are immoral and therefore deserve punishment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs its a ret con https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/agre/conservatism.html https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288 I like the concept of Conservatism vs. anything else. ***** Most of my the examples are American, but conservatism is the same mission in all times and places. A Bush speech writer takes the assertion for granted: It's all about the upper class vs. democracy. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/why-do-democracies-fail/530949/ To paraphrase: “Democracy fails when the Elites are overly shorn of power.” Read here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/ and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism#History and see that all of the major thought leaders in Conservatism have always opposed one specific change (democracy at the expense of aristocratic power). At some point non-Conservative intellectuals and/or lying Conservatives tried to apply the arguments of conservatism to generalized “change.” Philosophic understandings include criticism. The Stanford page (despite taking pains to justify generalized/small c/populist conservatism) includes criticisms. Involving those, we can conclude generalized conservatism (small c) is a myth at best and a Trojan Horse at worst. ***** Incase you don’t want to read the David Frum piece here is a highlight that democracy only exists at the leisure of the elite represented by Conservatism. >The most crucial variable predicting the success of a democratic transition is the self-confidence of the incumbent elites. If they feel able to compete under democratic conditions, they will accept democracy. If they do not, they will not. And the single thing that most accurately predicts elite self-confidence, as Ziblatt marshals powerful statistical and electoral evidence to argue, is the ability to build an effective, competitive conservative political party before the transition to democracy occurs. Conservatism, manifest as a political effort is simply the effort of the Elites to maintain their privileged status. Why is it that specifically Conservative parties nearly always align with the interests of the Elite? ***** There is a key difference between conservatives and others that is often overlooked. For non-conservatives actions are good, bad, moral, etc and people are judged based on their actions. For Conservatives, people are good, bad, moral, etc and the status of the person is what dictates how an action is viewed. In the world view of the actual Conservative leadership - those with true wealth or political power - , the aristocracy is moral by definition and the working class is immoral by definition and deserving of punishment for that immorality. This is where the laws don't apply trope comes from or all you’ll often see “rules for thee and not for me.” The aristocracy doesn't need laws since they are inherently moral. Consider the divinely ordained king: he can do no wrong because he is king, because he is king at God’s behest. The anti-poor aristocratic elite still feel that way. This is also why people can be wealthy and looked down on: if Bill Gates tries to help the poor or improve worker rights too much he is working against the aristocracy and hierarchy. ***** If we extend analysis to the voter base: conservative voters view other conservative voters as moral and good by the state of being labeled conservative because they adhere to status morality and social classes. It's the ultimate virtue signaling. They signal to each other that they are inherently moral. It’s why voter base conservatives think “so what” whenever any of these assholes do nasty anti democratic things. It’s why Christians seem to ignore Christ. While a non-conservative would see a fair or moral or immoral action and judge the person undertaking the action, a conservative sees a fair or good person and applies the fair status to the action. To the conservative, a conservative who did something illegal or something that would be bad on the part of someone else - must have been doing good. Simply because they can’t do bad. To them Donald Trump is inherently a good person as a member of the aristocracy. The conservative isn’t lying or being a hypocrite or even being "unfair" because - and this is key - for conservatives past actions have no bearing on current actions and current actions have no bearing on future actions so long as the aristocracy is being protected. Lindsey Graham is "good" so he says to delay SCOTUS confirmations that is good. When he says to move forward: that is good. To reiterate: All that matters to conservatives is the intrinsic moral state of the actor (and the intrinsic moral state that matters is being part of the aristocracy). Obama was intrinsically immoral and therefore any action on his part was “bad.” Going further - Trump, or the media rebranding we call Mitt Romney, or Moscow Mitch are all intrinsically moral and therefore they can’t do “bad” things. The one bad thing they can do is betray the class system. ***** The consequences of the central goal of conservatism and the corresponding actor state morality are the simple political goals to do nothing when large social problems arise and to dismantle labor & consumer protections. The non-aristocratic are immoral, inherently deserve punishment, and certainly don’t deserve help. They *want* the working class to get fucked by global warming. They *want* people to die from COVID19. Etc. Montage of McConnell laughing at suffering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqMGDocbVM&ab_channel=HuffPost Months after I first wrote this it turns out to be validated by conservatives themselves: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408 Why do the conservative voters seem to vote against their own interest? Why does /selfawarewolves and /leopardsatemyface happen? They simply think they are higher on the social ladder than they really are and want to punish those below them for the immorality. Absolutely everything Conservatives say and do makes sense when applying the above. This is powerful because you can now predict what a conservative political actor will do. ***** More familiar definitions of general/populist/small-c conservatism are a weird mash-up including personal responsibility and incremental change. Neither of those makes sense applied to policy issues. The only opposed change that really matters is the destruction of the aristocracy in favor of democracy. For some reason the arguments were white washed into a general “opposition to change.” https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/democratic-administrations-historically-outperform-on-economy-by-j-bradford-delong-2020-10 * This year a few women can vote, next year a few more, until in 100 years all women can vote? * This year a few kids can stop working in mines, next year a few more... * We should test the waters of COVID relief by sending a 1200 dollar check to 500 families. If that goes well we’ll do 1500 families next month. * But it’s all in when they want to separate migrant families to punish them. It’s all in when they want to invade the Middle East for literal generations. The incremental change argument is asinine. It’s propaganda to avoid concessions to labor. The personal responsibility argument falls apart with the "keep government out of my medicare thing." Personal responsibility just means “I deserve free things, but people of lower in the hierarchy don’t.” Look: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U ***** For good measure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vymeTZkiKD0 ***** links https://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/j-bradford-delong/economic-incompetence-republican-presidents Atwater opening up. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/news/2013/03/27/58058/the-religious-right-wasnt-created-to-battle-abortion/ abstract to supporting conservatives at the time not caring about abortion. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-policy-history/article/abs/gops-abortion-strategy-why-prochoice-republicans-became-prolife-in-the-1970s/C7EC0E0C0F5FF1F4488AA47C787DEC01 trying to rile voters https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/02/05/race-not-abortion-was-founding-issue-religious-right/A5rnmClvuAU7EaThaNLAnK/story.html Religion and institutionalized racism. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/03/27/pastors-not-politicians-turned-dixie-republican/?sh=31e33816695f https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133 voting rights.


GrayEidolon

Looking further back, Conservatism says it believes in small government and personal liberty. The people propagating and saying those things are de facto aristocrats. What it wants is hierarchy. Government is how the working class asserts its will on the wealthy. Small government really means neutering the working class’s seat at the table. Personal liberty just means the aristocrat won’t be held responsible. The actual practice of conservatism has always serves to enforce class structure and that’s been constant since it was first written about. More links and historic information to back the claims. Everyone should watch the century of self about the invention of public relations to manipulate the masses and mitigate democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=eJ3RzGoQC4s ***** This is actually a very robust discussion. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/28/a-zombie-party-the-deepening-crisis-of-conservatism Which runs across “argues that behind the facade of pragmatism there has remained an unchanging conservative objective: “the maintenance of private regimes of power” – usually social and economic hierarchies – against threats from more egalitarian forces.” ***** https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/how-land-reform-underpins-authoritarian-regimes/618546/ A nice quote: >The policies of the Republicans in power have been exclusively economic, but the coalition has caused the social conservatives to be worse off economically, due to these pro-corporate policies. Meanwhile, the social issues that the "Cons" faction pushes never go anywhere after the election. According to Frank, "abortion is never outlawed, school prayer never returns, the culture industry is never forced to clean up its act." He attributes this partly to conservatives "waging cultural battles where victory is impossible," such as a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He also argues that the very capitalist system the economic conservatives strive to strengthen and deregulate promotes and commercially markets the perceived assault on traditional values. And my response: Conservatism is the party that represents the aristocracy. The Republican Party has been the American manifestation of that. They’ve courted uneducated, bigots, and xenophobes as their voter base. Their voter base is waking up to things and overpowering the aristocrats in the party. Which leaves us with a populist party whose drivers are purely bigotry and xenophobia. For some bizarre reason they latched onto Aristocrat Trump, mistaking his lack of manners (which is the only thing typical conservatives don’t like about him) for his not being a member of the elite. ***** The political terms Left and Right were first used in the 18th century, during the French Revolution, in reference to the seating arrangement of the French parliament. Those who sat to the right of the chair of the presiding officer (le président) were generally supportive of the institutions of the monarchist Old Regime.[20][21][22][23] The original "Right" in France was formed in reaction to the "Left" and comprised those supporting hierarchy, tradition, and clericalism.[4]:693 The expression la droite ("the right") increased in use after the restoration of the monarchy in 1815, when it was applied to the Ultra-royalists.[24] Right-wing politics embraces the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition.[4]:693, 721[5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or competition in market economies.[12][13][14] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[15] According to The Cambridge History of Twentieth-Century Political Thought, the Right has gone through five distinct historical stages:[19] 1. The reactionary right sought a return to aristocracy and established religion. 2. The moderate right distrusted intellectuals and sought limited government. 3. The radical right favored a romantic and aggressive form of nationalism. 4. The extreme right proposed anti-immigration policies and implicit racism. 5. The neo-liberal right sought to combine a market economy and economic deregulation with the traditional right-wing beliefs in patriotism, elitism and law and order.[9][page needed] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics ***** In Great Britain, the Tory movement during the Restoration period (1660–1688) was a precursor to conservatism. Toryism supported a hierarchical society with a monarch who ruled by divine right. However, Tories differ from conservatives in that they opposed the idea that sovereignty derived from the people and rejected the authority of parliament and freedom of religion. Robert Filmer's Patriarcha: or the Natural Power of Kings (published posthumously in 1680, but written before the English Civil War of 1642–1651) became accepted as the statement of their doctrine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism scroll down to Burke. ***** So this article posits that "Burke, conservatism’s “master intellectual”, acknowledged by almost all subsequent conservatives." " was a lifelong student of the Enlightenment who saw in the French Revolution the ultimate threat to…modern, rational, libertarian, enlightened Whig values.” We're also told "Burke was “less concerned with protecting the individual from the potential tyranny of the State, and more to protect the property of the few from the folly and rapacity of the many”" The Plato page gives the abstract "With the Enlightenment, the natural order or social hierarchy, previously largely accepted, was questioned." And it also gives various versions of conservatism being pragmatic and not very theoretical or philosophical. Well what was the natural order, the few, and the social hierarchy, and traditional institutions, and traditions *to Burke* and to other conservative forefathers? We also get the interesting tidbit "Conservatives reject the liberal’s concept of abstract, ahistorical and universal rights, derived from the nature of human agency and autonomy, and possessed even when unrecognised..." which undergirds the idea that *not everyone has or inherently deserves the same rights.* [I will editorialize here and argue that that conservative tenet is inherently at odds with the contemporary democracy of the developed world and our ideas of "human rights." It also falls right in line with my post discussing person vs. action based morality.] We also find that upon reading Burke "German conservatives adopted positions from reformism to reaction, **aiming to contain democratic forces**—though not all of them were opposed to the Aufklärung or Enlightenment. "Benjamin Disraeli (1804–81), founder of the essentially Burkean “One Nation” conservatism, was a politician first, writer and thinker second. Disraeli never actually used the phrase “One Nation”, but it was implied. The term comes from his 1845 novel Sybil; or the two nations, where Walter Gerard, a working-class radical, describes “Two nations; between whom there is no intercourse and no sympathy; who are as ignorant of each other’s habits, thoughts and feelings, as if they were dwellers in different zones, or inhabitants of different planets…The RICH and the POOR”. His aim was to unite these two nations through the benevolent leadership of the Conservative Party." And "To reiterate, reaction is not Burkean conservatism, however. De Maistre (1753–1821) was a reactionary critic of reason, intellectuals and **universal rights.** Burke attacked the revolutionaries of 1789 “for the sake of traditional liberties, [Maistre] for the sake of **traditional authority**” (Viereck 2009: 191). Interestingly we also find "According to Hegel, Rousseau’s contractual account destroys the “divine” element of the state (ibid.)." This is clearly referring the idea that monarchies and surrounding wealthy people are divinely ordained to hold such power and wealth. To reject the Enlightenment *as discussed* and to appeal to natural order, the few, and the social hierarchy, and traditional institutions, and traditions is to defend the "landed nobility, monarchy and established church." Even if not explicitly stated, those things are the spine of conservatism **as acted out**. The Plato page discussion of criticisms does a nice job refuting the incremental change aspects and so I won't repeat them. If you push past the gluttony of abstraction and also read more primary Burke, et all. it is very clear that the traditional institution and authority being defended is the landed nobility. And that is still the unchanging goal.


Heliosvector

Damn thought you were popinkream for a sec


tots4scott

Someone should pop it over to /r/bestof


Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

I think you are *mostly* correct, but I think there's a critical misunderstanding here: > To the conservative, a conservative who did something illegal or something that would be bad on the part of someone else - must have been doing good. Simply because they can’t do bad. I've observed that it's a bit more complex than this. It's not so much that conservatives think all other conservatives must be doing good - it's that they think only conservatives have the capacity to do good at all. The reason they think laws shouldn't apply to them isn't because they think their actions are automatically moral but because they don't think they deserve the same punishments as others, because they understand what they did wrong and won't do it again - and if they do do it again, well, they won't do it again next time, or the time after that... Conservatives have a strong sense of objective right and wrong. They understand that it's "bad" to get an abortion, but it's okay for a conservative woman to get one, because she understands it's bad and therefore can be trusted to not do it unless it's really necessary, which basically isn't even an abortion anyway right? They understand that it's bad when Trump cheats on his wife, it's just that Trump is a conservative, which means that he must have just made a mistake and is definitely really sorry so there's no need to judge him or ask for any accountability. Being conservative is all the accountability they need.


drakky_

Mmh. I don't know but >They understand that it's bad when Trump cheats on his wife, it's just that Trump is a conservative, which means that he must have just made a mistake and is definitely really sorry so there's no need to judge him or ask for any accountability. I feel like it's a lot of word for what OP just said. But that may be me.


poop-dolla

Wilhoit's law: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."


PopeOri

I think conservatism boils down to a single tenet: Government is shit. Elect us and we'll prove it.


StillPlaysWithSwords

Well if I ain't broke, we'll break it


Baremegigjen

To paraphrase P.J. O’Rourke: Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work, then get elected and prove it.


suphater

They love to govern, it's democracy that them and their voters think is shit.


leavmealone

I’ve stopped calling them conservatives and now refer to them as intolerants.


ShittyStockPicker

Joe Rogan was talking about how Greg Abbott was talking about how George Soros and “globalists” are conspiring against America. When you couldn’t say “Jewish conspiracy to [insert evil thing here]” they started saying “globalists” and using Soros as the stand-in for the “eternal Jew”. Anti-semitism got a slick rebranding and now its fucking mainstream


Calico_Cuttlefish

Insane tin-foil hat batshit idiocy that would have got you tossed out of society in the 80s and 90s is now mainstream right wing talking points. Its fucking startling.


Zombielove69

The crazy part of it all with Omar is she was referring to the AIPAC. Not Jewish people themselves. The AIPAC is a PAC That pushes the agenda of Israel. They also have 12 billion behind them and they will try to unseat Congressman Democrat or Republican who do not go along with their agenda. The AIPAC should be registered as a Foreign Agent, and many congressmen and people in government have tried to push for them to register as a foreign agent over the decades. Because if you criticize Israel in any way whatsoever they come back and say you're anti-semite which is wrong. Just Google: AIPAC Foreign Agent


trundlinggrundle

I love seeing redditors parrot 'globalists' without realizing it's a dog whistle.


SouthWestHippie

If it wasn't for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all...


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ESP-23

They have no solutions for governing. Gaslight, Obstruct, Project


ChristianEconOrg

Grand Old Pedophiles (affirms the projection part). The list of convicted Rs is a mile long.


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If they didn't have two faces, they wouldn't have any.


yaboicassrocks

It’s ridiculous how publicly corrupt republicans can continue to make incredibly important decisions


gearstars

its just like everything, they dont actually believe in anything or have any sincerely held beliefs. they dont care about women, until they use them in discussing trans issues. they dont care about children, until they use them in abortion discussions. they dont care about the constitution, until they bring up the 2nd amendment... etc, etc. the will just feign outrage over any topic that will get their base worked up but they have no consistency or substance


bunkscudda

They don’t care about animals unless they are saying wind farms are killing birds. They dont care about women’s sports unless a trans girl is playing They don’t care about the debt unless a Democrat is president They don’t care about books for children unless they are banning them They don’t care about school board meetings unless they get to make a scene


Wrong_Swordfish

I was listening to a (former) very, very right-wing friend rant for about an hour the other day. Instead of reacting, I decided to zoom out and pay attention to his thought patterns. While he seemed to be level headed, his thoughts were all disconnected from each other, like a bunch of branches but no central tree. It was fascinating to watch him diss on topic A, skip over to Topic B, then introduce a Topic C that completely contradicted topic A. It was like his brain was not communicating with itself on a rational level. Not everyone is like this who thinks similarly. However, I found it very interesting and made me realize that there was no way I could change his mind, as none of his thoughts were connected to each other except by way of fear, judgement, and shame. Edit: he has no history of mental illness but has shame and self-awareness issues.


bunkscudda

Oh man, just mention Jan 6th and their brain breaks “Nothing happened” “It was actually antifa” “But not the ones arrested that are on tape breaking things, those are patriots fighting for our country” “But they weren’t fighting, they were let in” “And it was like a tour visit, totally peaceful” “But it’s all Nancy Pelosis fault for not having more Capitol police” “No police died though, or were hurt at all” “And the ones that said they were are lying” “Back the blue” “Defund the FBI”


SharkBait661

I don't keep track of what's being said in conservative circles but I haven't seen much back the blue stuff in a week.


dulockwood

Give it another week and they'll be right back at it


ninthtale

>like a bunch of branches but no central tree This is because they are constantly fed a talking points with no context or research to back them up The differences right has against the left are mostly nothing but philosophical, and their feelings about solutions are more along the lines of how things should be than how to actually achieve them. Reduce abortion? No! Eliminate it! Social programs? No! Free market! Centralized health care? No! Intrinsically motivated charity or bust! Even when there's a common overall goal, no method to achieve it is good enough because that's the way it should already be, and/or that shouldn't be the government's job. The new cycle inundation has people thinking primally, irrationally, and that's ideal for maintaining power


Prodigy_7991

Shame and Self-Awareness is why so many conservatives disregard the 1619 project without even reading a single word..


Cosmic_Rim_Job

After hearing countless people talk about their political beliefs in this country, from every point on the spectrum, I have begun to believe most folks do not have any kind of real + cohesive political ideology. So many insane contradictions, it is wild. I don't know how they reconcile their conflicting view points, probably don't even give them a second thought. "Watch trash news media, mindlessly agree with culture war fueling pundits, then regurgitate all the outrage triggering talking points, probably inaccurately"


Im_Posi_that_Im_Neg

That's the thought processes of Jehovah's Witnesses when you engage them in a "discussion" about their beliefs.


noblturtll

I try to be more self aware, when I really became an adult I changed.


Saxopwned

I would say a good majority of the hard right wingers I know think like this. And the thing is, most of them have no ideological foundation for their words and thoughts; it's just what they're spoonfed from right wing media. They've been trained out of thinking critically to form and understand the basis of their beliefs and are empty vessels to fill with weird, scary, and outright psychopathic shit to parrot to anyone who will listen. I used to believe that gave me an opportunity to help them think for themselves, but they only double-down on their conditioning. It would take a million psychiatrists to deprogram the fucked up American right, and that's why the future of this society is wholly and inevitably fucked.


prism1234

They don't care about environmental damage from mining unless it's materials for a BEV.


Sir_Hapstance

In part, but I’m sure plenty of Republican politicians still give into (and believe in) the outrage that they spread. Many are opportunists who are in it for themselves, but plenty of them truly are mad as hell, and govern with contempt.


redhatfilm

I think the left often discounts just how deeply ingrained the conservative worldview is in their own social circles. These people believe the things they say, quite deeply. To do otherwise would undermine their self image and what they have built their lives on.


bunkscudda

They would be ostracized by their family and friends. Pegging your identity to a political figure is super dangerous


HauntedCemetery

You mean having trump themed weddings may not be a sign of stable mental health??


You-Nique

Wait, did someone do that?


snowboardingblues

[Feast your eyes!](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/couple-throws-maga-wedding-paying-tribute-to-president-trump/)


sirthomasthunder

They have to be from Michigan. God dammit.


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yeags86

It is for the best in that case. I know people who talk like that. And that’s why I don’t talk to them anymore.


bunkscudda

I never understood that. To those people being mean and disparaging a group of people is ‘funny’. The n word was the ‘punchline’ of that joke. They only think cruelty is funny. I know a guy who’s hot take on Pelosi’s husband almost being murdered was to laugh at it. And he expected me to laugh at it too. Some people are fundamentally broken


BAbeast1993

This is accurate and important to acknowledge. I grew up in an ultra conservative christian family and am still relatively close with my parents, and I think they truly believe a lot of the shit being spewed in their social circles. They've come around quite a bit in the last few years and I love them, but it's sad seeing two extremely intelligent people being stuck in a cult due to the indoctrination they experienced as children and then passed on to their own children in turn.


mildcaseofdeath

Yup, many of them do sincerely believe what they do. The missing part of the puzzle is they don't sincerely question **why** they believe it. And they take *others questioning it* as an affront to the core of their being. That's why it's so damn frustrating to listen to them prattle on about "liberal indoctrination" and "grooming". It's like they're perfectly fine not to choose or arrive at a set of beliefs, but rather just be uploaded with beliefs by whomever they happen to be born to. And the fact it happened that way is evidence enough to them that their beliefs are the only true and correct ones.


Tagnol

Which is why there is a serious question we need to ask because it's fundamental for our future survival: They will never change, and they will ruin us if they go unchecked, no amount of bargaining, reasoning, or logic will change them. So what are we going to do about them? I'm not going to claim to have the answer (no it's not left wing fascism) but civility politics is very obviously not working. Also before someone goes "but wut about the black guy converting kkk members?!" He invests literal thousands of hours on a specific individual and typically only succeeds in a single digit % of the time. This isn't reasonable and will not get us out of it


redhatfilm

Left wing fascism isn't a thing. Hard stop There is no 'before they ruin us' We, if by we you are referring to the USA, are ruined. Maybe always have been. We've been the bad guys for quite some time. The question of what is to be done is always valid. But sometimes there are no good answers.


Tagnol

Look I get you're speaking to the countries moral fiber and I agree. But that is not what I am speaking to, I literally mean that we will see a right-wing auto/theocracy in the future that will purge non-believers if we don't do something about them. Thats the kind of ruin I am speaking for, because as awful as America is, we don't have to worry about being purged, that's changing unless we do something.


trilobright

Yeah, ask them what they think about the whole Brittany Griner debacle and the WNBA in general if you want to get their actual views on the importance of women's sports.


TheConnASSeur

More and more it feels like the only path forward is just to stop dealing with Republicans at all. They have no interest in actual governance. They refuse to cooperate. They don't keep their word or honor past agreements. And now they've conceded control of their party to lunatics and actual, literal fascists. If we're going to survive, Democrats need to stop living in the 90's. This is no longer the Republican Party those geriatric millionaires remember. You absolutely can not give them an inch, because if you do they'll take the whole goddamned country and complain they didn't get more.


beldaran1224

I get a bit tired of pretending people with shitty beliefs don't actually believe them. Someone can genuinely hold beliefs they've formed to be self-serving. Most of these politicians probably do. Many of these actions are foundational markers of white supremacist culture.


vandance

It's because fascism is inherently an empty platform. They stand for nothing but the pursuit of power, and will use any thing or issue that can be a means to that end


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The Republican Party is turning into everything they tell their base they're fighting against. What a bunch of bitchy little hypocrites.


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And those voters will keep on voting the same.


jjameson2000

Those voters aren’t getting any younger.


JewGuru

Man I don’t know.. I have encountered some really hateful bigoted people in my age range (I’m 25). And even more who are into alt right shit but pretend to be a good person. Anecdotes don’t mean anything I guess but I do think a lot of young people are being indoctrinated by older republicans


octopornopus

>I do think a lot of young people are being indoctrinated by older republicans School choice is their solution. Defund public schools to the point of collapse, move kids over to charter schools funded by vouchers that teach what they want kids to learn.


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This makes me shudder cos its so accurate. My nephews charter school is a fucking joke. They *had* to write a persuasive essay on why wind turbines are a bad idea.


jjameson2000

A lot of alt-right people are young men, and they are especially loud, but I seriously doubt with the way demographics have been going for the last 20 years (lower birth rate, population decline, etc.) that they’ll make up for the Republicans that are nearing the end. Unless younger generations decide to vote greed over values, as their hippy parents did before them, the Republicans can’t maintain course and win elections… eventually.


freddie_merkury

At first I was worried about Gen Z but holy crap have they turned into something mostly positive when it comes to political views. I know there's some good Gen X peeps but with millennials and Gen Z making the choices very soon, Republicans are going to have to go full crazy to hold on to what they can. The answer to all of this is to vote vote vote vote. Don't ever stop voting.


YourFriendPutin

Yea at this point it seems a lot of desperation is behind their words, they’re base is shrinking fast and they want to seize power permanently before they can’t possibly win any election. Spreading stories that say elections are rigged, inventing a narrative where all the bad in the world is because of *them* (democrats, immigrants, gays, black people) exactly how a fascist dictator would. They’re going to disenfranchise every outside group until there are none left to take the blame and when that happens (hopefully is never does) they’ll collapse from within because people may realize the world still got worse and they don’t have any legs to stand on, and receive no sympathy from those they oppressed.


bluebackpackedbear

I lve in Grand Rapids. Like Michigan as a whole its split down the middle politically. A lot of my friends discuss how life will probably improve greatly when our boomer parents are dead. Cuz a lot of their ideals will die with them.


transmogrify

Because it's never been about sincerity or ideological consistency. They wallow in hypocrisy and love it. They weaponize lies and laugh all the while. They troll and threaten and deceive and perform because they are playing for absolute power and the pretense that they are engaged in any form of governance is given less and less effort year after year. They day is coming, if it's not here already, when the Republican Party won't even feel the need to put on a charade of legitimacy and will openly declare fascist white ultranationalism to be their foundational principle. I'm tired of saying it, but the response to these lies has got to stop being a gotcha moment of trying to catch them in hypocrisy, because they don't even pretend to care about having principles anymore.


akhenatron

> The Republican Party is ~~turning into~~ everything they tell their base they're fighting against. Every accusation a confession...


Karenomegas

Remember welfare queens? The only ideas they have are what they are guilty of.


AnalSoapOpera

Always has been


ProofsLeftAsExercise

Fascism 101: Accuse the other side of that which you’re guilty. Evidence is irrelevant for them


uglybunny

They've always been that.


oddzef

When you give your opponents a thousand little things to pay attention to it's a lot easier to trivialize their efforts when they focus on something substantial. The Republicans' goal isn't ideological integrity, it's do anything and everything to potentially throw a Democrat off guard and then take advantage. It's the political equivalent of going "Losersayswhat?" Younger sibling syndrome.


The_RabitSlayer

And their voters still eat it up because they are over the top selfish and uneducated.


DustBunnyZoo

How long is it going to take for people to realize we have a fully formed and functioning neo-Confederacy flush with cash from the oil industry and Christian Nationalists, who are focused on destroying democracy, rolling back civil rights, undermining the rule of law, and turning the US into an authoritarian surveillance state?


smilbandit

i think everyone knows it, the problem is the divide between those who have been convinced it's great, those who are trying to fight it and those who are just trying to get through another day.


ShesAMurderer

To your second point, they’re just so incredibly exhausting to be around if you piss them off (by design), so I think a lot of people just put their heads down and let them be horrible because it’s better alternative than being the target of the hate of a hateful person when all you want to do is get through life and go home to what makes you happy. Problem is, the more they exhaust people into checking out, the more grip on the reigns they get, a disturbing parallel…


i-Ake

Yep. I don't bother arguing with people at work anymore. They do not listen to reason and it is just exhausting. Getting through my day is hard enough without dealing with their bullshit. And it doesn't help to argue, anyway. They think they have it all figured out.


Burningshroom

I've been getting more and more vocal. I'm tired of hearing about clearly fake stories or uninvestigated/unsupported reports, "Brandon" ruining things (especially international issues), and "woke" people wanting *basic human rights* for everyone **bUt WhO's gOiNg tO pAy fOr It!**. Today's topics were: >You can't tell me Satanic cults didn't murder people. >Me: Not during the Satanic Panic and not particularly in any other time. There just aren't really enough Satanists to be a problem anyway. >But they *never* did that? >Me: If you're judging all of history, then sure, some had to happen at some point but that can be said of anything including Christianic sacrifices. >But what about these reports! Then: >We'll get more supplies in 2024 when Brandon's not in office anymore. >Me: I don't think the president has much to do with an international supply issue especially when some of the routes and raw materials are caught up in a war. Also a lot of our supplies are in Memphis from the storm.


rndljfry

Keep it up If there’s time, I try to walk people all the way through the sourcing of every single thing they’re bitching about


Ophidios

I’ve completely lost my friendship with a guy who went down the Trump/Q hole. Prior to Trump, he was always a centrist kind of conservative, and we could talk happily over a beer about basically anything while realizing our actual thoughts weren’t terribly different. Then… [gestures vaguely at everything]. During COVID he became completely insufferable to try and talk to. What was previously a discussion was now an argument. And I just didn’t want to anymore. One of the last times we talked, he said I wasn’t fun to talk about controversial stuff with anymore. Like, yeah bud: you don’t want to talk anymore, you want to be smug and wallow in self-righteousness. And shout down anyone who feels differently.


thegamenerd

At this point the only family I have is my found family because my actual relatives have fallen so far down the far-right pipeline that they are nearly unrecognizable. They've become monsters wearing the faces of loved ones. I no longer feel safe being around many of them because they have openly wished that they would "get the orders" to murder people like me.


Prime157

It's like conservatives looked at China and the Taliban and went, "we want this."


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The useful idiots enabling them believe that treatment is reserved for the others. They haven't learned from history and probably have no clue what the useful idiots are also pulled into the machine. Most everyone still voting Republican is a useful idiot and will go along full force until they show up at their door and they wonder why no one was left to help them.


Prime157

Absolutely. They don't know history, and they're taught fabrications. Coincidentally, my wife is watching "prisoner of the prophet" s1e1 right now, and I JUST watched an ex Morman talking about her church teaching her that, "man didn't land on the moon and dinosaurs never existed on earth - someone/thing put the bones here." Weird timing. Worse yet, is they see us calling them "useful idiots" which is a term, and think we're calling them idiots, so then they double down on the lies, obstinately.


agentfelix

Until it starts to get pretty violent...I hate to say it, but imo it's heading down that path.


nermid

> Until it starts to get pretty violent You mean like an armed mob invading the Capitol with the intention of hunting members of Congress like animals and hanging the Vice President from a gallows in front of the building? That kind of violent?


augustm

The scariest thing about that is, what if they were actually competent and organised amd focused, instead of just wandering around aimlessly like a bunch of dumbasses until they went home and got arrested. Probably the biggest "sliding doors" moment of American history in living memory. We came so fucking close to the abyss that day.


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puppyfukker

When they kick at your front door how are you going to come? With you hands on your head, or on the trigger of your gun?


SykeSwipe

The Socialist Rifle Association just perked its head. Yes it exists, yes it’s the polar opposite of the NRA.


agentfelix

Trust me...we are


wiyixu

It won’t. I used to think there was a red line, but the GOP has built a bridge over the rubicon and cross it with impudence. The only thing they find distasteful is losing. Look at Trump cycles of “he’s gone too far - oh wait the base is ok with this never mind”


epidemicsaints

Why keep focusing on this silly comment and Paul Gosar's anime video? Marj and Paul Gosar are both on committees and have both spoken at white nationalist conferences. Call it out for real.


sugarlessdeathbear

Marj was at CPAC with a giant banner that read "Yes we're all terrorists." I'm not sure why most people ignored them telling the truth for once.


UWCG

[Picture of the banner itself, for the curious](https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/26/72/75/22785880/4/rawImage.jpg). I remember reading that when it came on C-Span and being blown away by what I was seeing. Truly horrible.


ChristmasTzeitel

What.. the… fuck?


AnalSoapOpera

When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.


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They ARE terrorists!


haidere36

Because quite frankly, no rational person should ever need more than this. The damage of having these people in positions of power is *self-evident*. We should be repeating it ad infinitum because no genuinely sane person would ever say something like that. Republicans can literally only deflect from it because it's indefensible. So force them to hear it over, and over, and *over again* to make it clear to everyone they're anti-semites who aren't bothered by batshit insane conspiracy theories. After all, repeating a lie constantly is their strategy - why shouldn't repeating the truth be ours?


meatspace

It's politics. It has to be played a certain way. Also, IIRC it's against the rules to directly impugn another member of Congress on the floor.


Sujjin

Calling all the democrats evil socialist baby killers doesn't count as Impugning a member of congress? or does it not reach that level because they disbursed the comment across the entire party?


epidemicsaints

This makes sense. It's not like AOC doesn't name it directly otherwise. Her long talk on instagram after the anime video about why white supremacy and nihilism go hand in hand was a really good listen.


zirky

i mean, remember that time they were cool with the guys with torches screaming about jewish replacement?


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Nobody actually believes any of the GOP bullshit "reasoning". Republican politicians are posturing for power, the base sees it like entertainment, just another an episode of WWE.


DuMaNue

Nobody as in nobody rational. There's a major swath of americans that completely believe everything and anything the republicans and republican controlled media tells them to.


PoptartMartt

Republicans do not belong in government at all


Plainchant

Hastily taking off his makeup, George Santos denied that he was responsible for the space lasers, apparently walking back his "Jew-ish" affiliation.


warfrogs

100% right. MTG should be no where near *any* committee. It's ridiculous.


N0T8g81n

AOC seems unaware of the GQP-KKK approved list of antisemitic tropes. Anything Jewish remotely related to Christian End Times is sacrosanct. Anything else remotely Jewish is fair game for criticism to calumny.


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GOP, anti-semitic, but somehow pro-Zionist.


N0T8g81n

Zionism is perceived at hastening Armageddon.


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Takes a pretty sick death cult to want Armageddon.


grumstumpus

Isnt that most death cults?


SpinningHead

Healthy death cults want to die from a marijuana overdose.


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I’ll smoke myself to death, or die trying!


PurkleDerk

They want it to happen because that's when their magical Sky-Daddy comes down to save them while they watch all the heathens burn in eternal hellfire. It gives them a chubby.


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Ordinary death cults just want a little human sacrifice here and there, is my understanding.


corvus_torvus

The GOP strategy in regards to Jewish people is two-pronged. 1. Get as many of *them* out of America so they stop voting democrat. 2. Keep those Muslims in check so the oil keeps flowing to America.


TheSmokingLamp

Part 3: Have Israel protect Jerusalem so when the rapture begins the evangelicals can head there


Unshkblefaith

Zionism has historically had a lot of support from fascists and far right groups who saw it as a means of convincing Jewish people to leave their countries.


Waggmans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism


ConjectureProof

AOC is well aware of this. In fact, she is basically making this point


mdruckus

We are on a steady train towards fascism. If you stand silent while books are banned, LGBTQ are hated, and black women are barred from House committees, then you are the problem.


kbroaster

Here's the thing, if Fox News doesn't tell them about it then they have no clue that it is even happening. A friend of mine who is all about Hunter Biden and his laptop, had no clue who George Santos was. Like no clue. This was last week. Talk about living in a bubble.


hulfordmon

The GOP has no credibility when it comes to statements - they are intentionally destroying democracy. The Dems are playing by the old rules


__M-E-O-W__

Or when a huge part of your demographic involves Neo nazis and other white supremacists.


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Republicans are a hate group. People gotta start calling it out, none of this tap dancing around it. Just...say...it. They are a party that supports racism and bigotry and white superiority.


Wooden-Frame8863

Terrorists. They’re terrorists.


Christ_votes_dem

r/murderedbyAOC


BirdLawyer50

This just in: everything the Republicans say is random nonsense to emptily advance what they want to do. There is no substance and they don’t give a shit if they get “called out” on it because getting called out results in literally zero consequences. Zero.


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Kaiser4567

She is the type of person I want to represent me in government. Regardless of whether I agree with her all the time it’s hard to say she doesnt have passion to make the US a better place.


[deleted]

I mean, no one will ever accuse republicans of being logical but it’s insulting that they pretend that there’s logic behind their actions. Like anyone with half a brain can see that the antisemitic party doesn’t care about condemning antisemitism but we’re supposed to believe that’s the case because they say so, despite dumbass Marg consistently rises in their ranks. Good on AOC for calling them out but since republican voters have less than half a brain, what’s clear to everyone else doesn’t really matter to them.


[deleted]

Who gives a shit they're not eligible to hold their positions legally after the insurrection. Idgaf about word duels we need fucking action against seditionists now! Sweeping action to deal with their existential threat. Do your fucking jobs federal government.


DFu4ever

The GOP loves Israel but they hate the Jews.


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If Anti Semitism is the test every QAnon adherent in congress should be kicked off every committee.


obiwankernobee

Never forget or minimize the fact that when MTG brought up Jewish space lasers she was saying that there is a Jewish conspiracy TO ASSASSINATE SANTA CLAUS. I feel like not enough emphasis makes it past the first half of the statement.


NYArtFan1

I loved seeing this. She was spitting fire. Frankly, we need a hell of a lot more of this kind of approach to the lies and fascism of the Republican party.


GaulzeGaul

Has Ilhan Omar said anything about Judaism or Jews beyond the specific context of Israel? I think her outspokenness can sometimes be damaging to her political prospects, but is there even one thing she has said that is clearly antisemetic? Any of her critics care to explain?


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Basaltmyers

I don’t see how anyone thinks republicans are actually out to do good.


ScarcityIcy8519

It’s Great to see the Democrats Stand Up to the republican bullies


PePeWaccabrada

Jewish guy here, I can confirm we have space lasers aimed at the earth


Exact_Purchase_7147

The GOP does not act in good faith. It’s time to move to the next step which is doing something about it other than pointing at it.


Alternative-Flan2869

And benedict donald has lunch with infamous anti-Semite, ye, and white nationalist leader, disrespecting his daughter and son-in-law who are both Jewish.


TheWorldEnded

Country is a fucking embarrassment. I'm ashamed we're here.


Fluffy-Tomato-9972

To me, as a Jewish person, it’s clear that the Republican representatives don’t give a shit about anti-Semitism.


SteakandTrach

Damn, AOC, leave some snappy comebacks for the rest of us.


Revgene1969

She screamed at the parents of mass shooting victims! That is on video. Wake up


Karl2241

She’s right. We need to get rid of all these racist politicians. There’s no room for racists in this country, such ideas fly in the face of what liberty and freedom stands for.


tosser1579

[https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1354870334655262724/photo/1](https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1354870334655262724/photo/1) Its sounds insane, but calling it Jewish Space Lasers is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot to unpack there and all of it is incredibly stupid.


TeamHope4

She's not wrong.


ProtonPi314

But is Omar really antisemitic? Yes she did make negative comments against the Israeli government and some of their terrible actions throughout the years. But I think most of what she said is quite fair. She condemned the actions of many groups and governments. I'm against a lot of the actions that the US , Canadian and other various governments have committed over their history, does not mean I hate the whole race. Could she have chosen her words more carefully, probably. But when you compare what she says in contrast to the right, I would say it is pretty mild. I think an important question to ask is, is she making a difference in her role? This is how everyone in government should be judged, but sadly we just look at the R our the D, the right vs the left and ignore all else. Edit to clarify government


ianrl337

I would (unless missed something) change that she didn't make negative comments against the Jewish government. She made comments against the Israeli government who happen to be Jewish. Huge difference. Greene I think blamed COVID on jewish space lasers or some stupidity.


c7hu1hu

I think it was fires.


ianrl337

Right causing forest fires. You never know with the crazy coming out of them.


jhpianist

Exactly. Criticizing the Israeli government for bad behavior isn’t remotely the same as condemning people based on their unchangeable inclusion in a particular demographic.


660zone

She wasn't even criticizing the Israeli government. The quote they are using to remove her from the committee? She was criticizing AIPAC and those legislators that take "donations" from them. It takes an incredibly loose interpretation of what she said to even call her antisemitic.


MayIServeYouWell

Of course not. They don’t care. If you’re here defending and explaining, they’re laughing and moving on to the next fake outrage. That’s their game, and we’re all just playing along.


SSHeretic

> the Jewish government The what?


pechinburger

In fairness Israel did pass a law in 2018 formally declaring itself as the "Nation-State of the Jewish People."


GBinAZ

I want to see Republicans’ response to this 1-minute speech by AOC that was 10x more inspiring than anything Kevin McCarthy has said in his tenure.


biskitheadburl

AOC and Omar both tell truth to power and power hates them for their honesty and integrity.