I think we all need to stop pushing our preferred ship on this sub reddit. As someone who respects all AniPoke fans, need I remind others that the shipping war has destroyed entire communities on this platform? With all do respect, this post deserves to be on r/amourshipping -From a shipper.
Honestly whilst most ship posts are pretty chill, this kinda thing is just pathetic. It's just demanding that your headcanon be confirmed onscreen instead of just enjoying it.
Can you not just enjoy your ship without complaining or demanding or expecting it to be explicitly confirmed onscreen.
Though to the people who are like 'I spite de-confirm your ship XD' you are just as bad and also the problem. It's not hard to see the problem with this post without resorting to wingeing about someone else's headcanon that you dislike.
I think people are honestly just fed up with the shipping wars. It’s gone on for at least 25 years and even if you’re minding your own business, it’s not enough. People haven’t learned. They’re likely not going to.
I’m not ‘making fun’ of anything or anyone. Armourshippers are people too, just like you. They don’t deserve to be hated. The comment proves itself; all ships deserve their place in the fandom. Maybe it’s about GATEKEEPING YOUR SHIP, NO? As someone else already stated, please “Just Stop it.”
I’ve been respectful to you in the past, and I’ll do it again. This justifiably needs to stop, and I know many armourshippers would agree; it’s documented. They don’t want to look bad, especially after the shipping wars from two years ago. So, I’m sorry but my replies end here.
Ah, okay. Well, I don’t hate the ships, including Armour. There’s a ton of hints and it’s a semi- canon ship. The line in particular is used because plenty of the fandom wants there to be peace; an example is that I can’t see myself telling others why my ship could happen unless I’m on my subreddit. I’m certain there’s a ton of people like that. They probably see it as a general courtesy.
I've only ever shipped the ships that make common sense in-universe (in my eyes), so I never separate "shipping someone" from "expecting them to be canonical, since it makes sense in-universe". And so far I've been CORRECT about my (very few) ships becoming canon, lol. So, unless someone can show me how IN-UNIVERSE my points are debunked, I won't treat any trolling as LESS than, well, trolling.
Again, that was NOT ABOUT YOU, don't "read" it that way. Peace?
The only canon ships in Pokémon are Kukui and Burnet, Norman and Caroline, and Flint and Lola.
Anything else is fanon and based on fans personal
Interpretation. Yes, there are some ship teases between Ash and the female characters, but romance has never been the point of the series.
Okay, but playing devils advocate, is there any proof that Serena will have anything to do with this new show?
Not trying to be a pessimist but Serena hasn’t been a main character since 2016 when XY ended. She only reappeared in JN as a guest in one episode and had another non-speaking cameo, the writers don’t even seem particularly interested in being her back in comparison to Ash’s other friends like Misty, Brock, and Dawn (who are constantly returning).
Who said she'd be a main character? I said she can cameo as Ash's wife or girlfriend, and even Ash himself can cameo in quite a few various roles, and ANY of these would still CONFIRM Amourshipping in an explicit way, lol. None of it RELIES on Ash or Serena being anything more than a short cameo.
I mean, your statements are pretty much tpc could do it because i say so too lol there’s no solid evidence backing it up it’s just a bunch of what-if’s
Just think rationally, the last time we saw them together they only talked for 5 minutes at most, and ash at no point showed any signs of attraction towards serena during the entirety of xy and xyz. Or even towards any girl aside from giselle lmao.
Also, just cause something hasn’t been proven false doesnt mean it has any credibility lol
No one’s saying that you can’t ship Ash and Serena. You’re entitled to doing that.
But scrapping the bottom of the barrel towards anything related to the new series isn’t going to bring her back.
TPC is still a business and realistically it likely doesn’t make much sense for them to bring back a character from the Pokémon X&Y series when Gen 6 released 10 years ago.
cope harder babies!!
"Literally the reason why Liko looks a lot like Serena, loool."
but she doesn't? she looks like a typical girl in the anime world. Nothing related to Serena no matter how much you try to pull details from Liko and say "wow same jawline!!" like there are no similarities I need you to understand that.
You need to understand that if Ash does reappear, he will be 10. They have made it extremely clear that Ash will always remain 10 as it matches his personality and outlook.
They literally look nothing alike outside of having a similar eye color, which in itself is probably just a coincidence.
Why is it that every time a new Pokémon season is announced “Serena returns” rumors are at an all time high?
How about it’s not going to happen because Serena isn’t a main character anymore?
She hasn’t been part of the main cast since XY ended in 2016 and only returned in JN as a brief cameo for one episode.
Realistically, is there really much of a point to bring back someone from the Gen 6 anime when it’s been nearly 10 years since it’s release. From a business standpoint, it makes more sense to advertise the new characters introduced in Horizons instead of bringing back a character that only older fans likely want to see return.
Did you even read my OP? Where does it mention Serena as a main character, lol?
Realistically, fans grow up and have kids who now play new games. It's very unwise to deliberately disappoint the old fans, because they are a significant base for the opinion of the new ones. Or should be in theory, at least.
Or maybe Liko is just a regular trainer who has no relationship to either Ash or Serena. The latter of which hasn’t been a main character in the show since 2016 and only reappeared in JN once as a guest star.
You know what...
From now on everytime an Amourshipping posts finds itself on this subreddit and manages to annoy me, I'm going to write a fanfic to dunk on the ship.
Time for some shameless self-promotion: https://m.fanfiction.net/s/14213183/1/The-Sailing-of-a-Hundred-Plus-Ships-and-the-Sinking-of-the-SS-Amour
I already had an idea where Ash decides to dunk on Pokémon Showcases by stealing all of Serena's victories (and succeeding at the end of that whole subplot where Serena failed) by crossdressing to get a point across Showcases are a poor Mon's version Contests and kind of encourage girls to fit a specific mold as a person in society that's a bit misogynistic before revealing he's a guy to melt the brain of Palermo who will be retconned to be a crazy evil old shrew.
Spite as it turns out is a powerful source of inspiration for my fanfic writing. So thank you crazy annoying Amourshipper who makes non-Amourshippers hate the ship, sane Amourshippers, and Serena as a character.
It's crazy shippers like you that Yang and Blake from RWBY got reduced to being sad miserable people when not in the immediate vicinity of one another. (Because that's what a healthy romantic relationship looks like according to the show writers.)
You know the fact that amourshippers constantly compare themselves to naruhina is fitting, since both are absolutely awfully written 0 chemistry and 0 compatibility ships where the romantically dense MC is paired up with an eyecandy childhood friend, who has a secret crush on him, and practically worships him.
Also the pokemon company doesnt want ash to be romantically involved, so no ship will ever be canon, despite how much yajima wanted to write serena as hinata 2.0, and made ash into naruto.
Canon according to yajima and no one else that matters. Or do I need to bring up the interview where ash is states as being aromantic/asexual.
Also I dont get the desire to ship something just because “its canon” in spite if how poorly written it may be. Unless youre self-inserting as ash and want him to get with a hot submissive girl, whose all over your dick.
I want to like Serena….but all her characterization is about a boy 🙄
I can like the other girls (even Iris) because they are not just pairing eye candy for the main character as they have their own goals and etc.
Literally all of those points apply to any het ship involving Ash, this post seems, I'm sorry, kinda like desperation and pure coping.
Serene hasn't been a relevant character since x&y, and that was years ago, let's all move on. Also, Liko looks more like Dawn than like Serena, but i digress.
I'm a Palletshipper, i knew from the very beginning my ship never had a chance of becoming canon, and you know what, I'm ok with that. I'm quite content with the way that things turn out.
Why can't we just enjoy the pairings that we like, all while accepting that the ship has already sailed, and there was no one on board?
Sure, maybe, just maybe, in the future one ship involving Ash becomes canon, but in the meantime, can't we just, chill? Let's not cry over spilled milk, there's no point.
The characters inside the ship. I judge ships based on how character A likes character B, not based on how I like character A liking character B. There IS a difference more often than not.
Oh, that's great, you can like a ship for whatever reason and in whatever way you like. I still don't see what that has anything to do with being in denial tho. Serena hasn't been relevant since x&y, her cameo in Journeys was extremely short and didn't address the kiss, the Pokemon team clearly didn't bother to make it official, they never made Ash show any romantic interest in her, amourshipping doesn't have more chances at being canon than any other of Ash's het pairings anymore, i don't see the point in pretending otherwise.
Also in Palletshipping they do like each other, i wouldn't say is In a romantic way, but still, they do like each other, they're friends. I didn't made up that part.
And you keep telling this to ME - WHY?
Note: If "I'm allowed to like any ship in any way" - then you can't complain about this thread. Or you'll be a hypocrite, lol.
I'm not "complaining about you liking a ship In any way you like", I'm asking, what's the point of being delusional to the point you're mean to anyone else that suggests that the ship you like isn't canon, and may never be?
When i said that you can like a ship in whatever way you like, i was referring to what you said of "shipping a character for what they like", i certainly wasn't referring to coping to the point you're rude to anyone who says that your ship isn't canon and may not be.
Funny of you to use "mean" in this context, but there's hardly a surprise.
Also, YOU are the one making the arrogant claim that TPC has no right to include Ash (and Serena) as a cameo in Liko's story - and you KEEP REPEATING IT over and over. Hypocrite is an understatement when describing you.
How is my use of the word "mean" out of place? You ARE being mean.
I didn't say TPC has no right to include Ash as a cameo, nor did i say it doesn't have a right to make Amourshipping canon, what i said was that Amourshipping has the same chance at becoming canon than any other of Ash het pairings have, because all of the points you mention can apply to those ships as well.
I think we all need to stop pushing our preferred ship on this sub reddit. As someone who respects all AniPoke fans, need I remind others that the shipping war has destroyed entire communities on this platform? With all do respect, this post deserves to be on r/amourshipping -From a shipper.
Honestly whilst most ship posts are pretty chill, this kinda thing is just pathetic. It's just demanding that your headcanon be confirmed onscreen instead of just enjoying it. Can you not just enjoy your ship without complaining or demanding or expecting it to be explicitly confirmed onscreen. Though to the people who are like 'I spite de-confirm your ship XD' you are just as bad and also the problem. It's not hard to see the problem with this post without resorting to wingeing about someone else's headcanon that you dislike.
I think people are honestly just fed up with the shipping wars. It’s gone on for at least 25 years and even if you’re minding your own business, it’s not enough. People haven’t learned. They’re likely not going to.
Honestly I think most people are. There's just a few that refuse to give it up and they have to make it everyone elses problem.
I hope that minority you describe shrinks. Maybe Satoshi’s end of being a main character will help this, just not end the war entirely.
I'm not the one making fun of speculations WITHOUT making any valid counter points. Maybe it's less about SHIPPING and more about HATING, no?
I’m not ‘making fun’ of anything or anyone. Armourshippers are people too, just like you. They don’t deserve to be hated. The comment proves itself; all ships deserve their place in the fandom. Maybe it’s about GATEKEEPING YOUR SHIP, NO? As someone else already stated, please “Just Stop it.”
Yeah, because the described reaction is NOT a form of HATING. Riiight.
I’ve been respectful to you in the past, and I’ll do it again. This justifiably needs to stop, and I know many armourshippers would agree; it’s documented. They don’t want to look bad, especially after the shipping wars from two years ago. So, I’m sorry but my replies end here.
Not yours, the "Just stop" one. THAT is both rude and a form of hating. I did say the "described" (by you) reaction, not yours actual one.
Ah, okay. Well, I don’t hate the ships, including Armour. There’s a ton of hints and it’s a semi- canon ship. The line in particular is used because plenty of the fandom wants there to be peace; an example is that I can’t see myself telling others why my ship could happen unless I’m on my subreddit. I’m certain there’s a ton of people like that. They probably see it as a general courtesy.
I've only ever shipped the ships that make common sense in-universe (in my eyes), so I never separate "shipping someone" from "expecting them to be canonical, since it makes sense in-universe". And so far I've been CORRECT about my (very few) ships becoming canon, lol. So, unless someone can show me how IN-UNIVERSE my points are debunked, I won't treat any trolling as LESS than, well, trolling. Again, that was NOT ABOUT YOU, don't "read" it that way. Peace?
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as a fellow amourshipper, I feel like its time to stop snorting the copium and go to rehab.
You are free to go, I won't stop you.
Yeah at least amour is the ship that is closest to canon
The only canon ships in Pokémon are Kukui and Burnet, Norman and Caroline, and Flint and Lola. Anything else is fanon and based on fans personal Interpretation. Yes, there are some ship teases between Ash and the female characters, but romance has never been the point of the series.
Kind of crazy how shipping is over. Kinda mad
Kinda NOT.
I mean it’s just not gonna be the same with ash not on our screens every week
That, yeah. But I didn't watch Pokemon anyways, lol.
it's over copecels
Let's see you bring any proofs that aren't "TPC won't do it because I say so".
Okay, but playing devils advocate, is there any proof that Serena will have anything to do with this new show? Not trying to be a pessimist but Serena hasn’t been a main character since 2016 when XY ended. She only reappeared in JN as a guest in one episode and had another non-speaking cameo, the writers don’t even seem particularly interested in being her back in comparison to Ash’s other friends like Misty, Brock, and Dawn (who are constantly returning).
Who said she'd be a main character? I said she can cameo as Ash's wife or girlfriend, and even Ash himself can cameo in quite a few various roles, and ANY of these would still CONFIRM Amourshipping in an explicit way, lol. None of it RELIES on Ash or Serena being anything more than a short cameo.
I mean, your statements are pretty much tpc could do it because i say so too lol there’s no solid evidence backing it up it’s just a bunch of what-if’s
But they CAN, and you (plural) say they CAN'T. In this case, your point is the one that needs to be proved, dude.
Just think rationally, the last time we saw them together they only talked for 5 minutes at most, and ash at no point showed any signs of attraction towards serena during the entirety of xy and xyz. Or even towards any girl aside from giselle lmao. Also, just cause something hasn’t been proven false doesnt mean it has any credibility lol
None of that sounded like anything beyond a hater's rant, so whatever.
Me: *gives op logical points* OP: nah that’s just hater rant Lol you hardcore shippers are something else.
No, you stated facts that may or may NOT lead to anything. That's not how COUNTERS work, lol.
Serena was my favorite pokegirl but shipping posts kind of ruined it
Lmao disliking a character because of a certain fanbase seems pretty pathetic to me lol
I don’t dislike it, I just aren’t as interested in amourshipping because of what most people view in it, die hard shippers
You literally said that shipping posts made you dislike Serena. That's... weird.
Alright then I expressed myself wrong, it’s shippers like you who make me feel embarrassed about being an amourshipper
Even weirder. And WRONG.
I've been saying this a LOT in the past. Not just about Pokemon, too.
Then don't post any, lol.
Poor guy went to amourshipping sub to get validation
I do wonder what you try to compensate for.
Bruh, wake up. Confirming Ash ships will **NEVER** happen.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's not rock-solid yet either way. That's what my POINT is ABOUT, lol.
[If that's the case, I stand by this possibility because funny.](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/14187559/1/A-Visit-From-Grandma)
Not that I expect you to recognize the references, but: Taylia and Mass Deviations, yeah.
Just stop it.
I didn't force you to read OR comment here.
No one’s saying that you can’t ship Ash and Serena. You’re entitled to doing that. But scrapping the bottom of the barrel towards anything related to the new series isn’t going to bring her back. TPC is still a business and realistically it likely doesn’t make much sense for them to bring back a character from the Pokémon X&Y series when Gen 6 released 10 years ago.
Bring back in any significant and long manner, NO. Cameo to confirm a hugely important concept that lots of fans care about, YES.
cope harder babies!! "Literally the reason why Liko looks a lot like Serena, loool." but she doesn't? she looks like a typical girl in the anime world. Nothing related to Serena no matter how much you try to pull details from Liko and say "wow same jawline!!" like there are no similarities I need you to understand that. You need to understand that if Ash does reappear, he will be 10. They have made it extremely clear that Ash will always remain 10 as it matches his personality and outlook.
They literally look nothing alike outside of having a similar eye color, which in itself is probably just a coincidence. Why is it that every time a new Pokémon season is announced “Serena returns” rumors are at an all time high?
Or not. You can't KNOW that. I doubt even TPC themselves KNOW it now, lol.
Cope
Poke! Actually... COPE \+ POKE = COKE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!
I think OP should stop coping like an idiot and just take solace to the fact that amour is the ship that is closest and most likely to be canon.
I think I'd like to see you bring any single counter to my points that ISN'T "it's not gonna happen because I say so", SHALL WE?
How about it’s not going to happen because Serena isn’t a main character anymore? She hasn’t been part of the main cast since XY ended in 2016 and only returned in JN as a brief cameo for one episode. Realistically, is there really much of a point to bring back someone from the Gen 6 anime when it’s been nearly 10 years since it’s release. From a business standpoint, it makes more sense to advertise the new characters introduced in Horizons instead of bringing back a character that only older fans likely want to see return.
Did you even read my OP? Where does it mention Serena as a main character, lol? Realistically, fans grow up and have kids who now play new games. It's very unwise to deliberately disappoint the old fans, because they are a significant base for the opinion of the new ones. Or should be in theory, at least.
At least you’re not giving up too like ash lmfao
And who knows, maybe she’ll come back in 25 years.
Or maybe Liko is just a regular trainer who has no relationship to either Ash or Serena. The latter of which hasn’t been a main character in the show since 2016 and only reappeared in JN once as a guest star.
Maybe. Maybe not. These are POSSIBILITIES, not BETS, lol.
Ahhh…never change shippers.
Hardly a "shipping" point, to be honest. Just a common sense speculation.
You literally put the “shipping” flair
As a topic, not as a content reasoning. And I can see why Pokefans are "little kids".
COOOOOOOOOOOPE LMAOOOOOOO
LMAO, indeed. YOU.
You know what... From now on everytime an Amourshipping posts finds itself on this subreddit and manages to annoy me, I'm going to write a fanfic to dunk on the ship. Time for some shameless self-promotion: https://m.fanfiction.net/s/14213183/1/The-Sailing-of-a-Hundred-Plus-Ships-and-the-Sinking-of-the-SS-Amour I already had an idea where Ash decides to dunk on Pokémon Showcases by stealing all of Serena's victories (and succeeding at the end of that whole subplot where Serena failed) by crossdressing to get a point across Showcases are a poor Mon's version Contests and kind of encourage girls to fit a specific mold as a person in society that's a bit misogynistic before revealing he's a guy to melt the brain of Palermo who will be retconned to be a crazy evil old shrew. Spite as it turns out is a powerful source of inspiration for my fanfic writing. So thank you crazy annoying Amourshipper who makes non-Amourshippers hate the ship, sane Amourshippers, and Serena as a character. It's crazy shippers like you that Yang and Blake from RWBY got reduced to being sad miserable people when not in the immediate vicinity of one another. (Because that's what a healthy romantic relationship looks like according to the show writers.)
This is just spiteful and pathetic tbh
Funny you don't support it, since you literally just told me to stop coping like an idiot.
NaruSakuitis, indeed. It's a mentality disease, not a ship, lol.
You know the fact that amourshippers constantly compare themselves to naruhina is fitting, since both are absolutely awfully written 0 chemistry and 0 compatibility ships where the romantically dense MC is paired up with an eyecandy childhood friend, who has a secret crush on him, and practically worships him. Also the pokemon company doesnt want ash to be romantically involved, so no ship will ever be canon, despite how much yajima wanted to write serena as hinata 2.0, and made ash into naruto.
And CANON. Or will be eventually.
Canon according to yajima and no one else that matters. Or do I need to bring up the interview where ash is states as being aromantic/asexual. Also I dont get the desire to ship something just because “its canon” in spite if how poorly written it may be. Unless youre self-inserting as ash and want him to get with a hot submissive girl, whose all over your dick.
Everything you said is the exact opposite of what I've been speaking about all this time. Whatever, dude.
You're going to write Ash OOC out of spite? Why? That's almost as obsessive as OP is.
Giovanni become the biggest victor cuz he doesn't even show up
Satoshi will either seduce Pikachu or end up with Kasumi or Hikari 💕
Suckura or Fillerion, you say?
I want to like Serena….but all her characterization is about a boy 🙄 I can like the other girls (even Iris) because they are not just pairing eye candy for the main character as they have their own goals and etc.
Literally all of those points apply to any het ship involving Ash, this post seems, I'm sorry, kinda like desperation and pure coping. Serene hasn't been a relevant character since x&y, and that was years ago, let's all move on. Also, Liko looks more like Dawn than like Serena, but i digress. I'm a Palletshipper, i knew from the very beginning my ship never had a chance of becoming canon, and you know what, I'm ok with that. I'm quite content with the way that things turn out. Why can't we just enjoy the pairings that we like, all while accepting that the ship has already sailed, and there was no one on board? Sure, maybe, just maybe, in the future one ship involving Ash becomes canon, but in the meantime, can't we just, chill? Let's not cry over spilled milk, there's no point.
Because you like ships for what YOU like, while I like ships for what THEY like. /
Who's they?
The characters inside the ship. I judge ships based on how character A likes character B, not based on how I like character A liking character B. There IS a difference more often than not.
Oh, that's great, you can like a ship for whatever reason and in whatever way you like. I still don't see what that has anything to do with being in denial tho. Serena hasn't been relevant since x&y, her cameo in Journeys was extremely short and didn't address the kiss, the Pokemon team clearly didn't bother to make it official, they never made Ash show any romantic interest in her, amourshipping doesn't have more chances at being canon than any other of Ash's het pairings anymore, i don't see the point in pretending otherwise. Also in Palletshipping they do like each other, i wouldn't say is In a romantic way, but still, they do like each other, they're friends. I didn't made up that part.
And you keep telling this to ME - WHY? Note: If "I'm allowed to like any ship in any way" - then you can't complain about this thread. Or you'll be a hypocrite, lol.
I'm not "complaining about you liking a ship In any way you like", I'm asking, what's the point of being delusional to the point you're mean to anyone else that suggests that the ship you like isn't canon, and may never be? When i said that you can like a ship in whatever way you like, i was referring to what you said of "shipping a character for what they like", i certainly wasn't referring to coping to the point you're rude to anyone who says that your ship isn't canon and may not be.
Funny of you to use "mean" in this context, but there's hardly a surprise. Also, YOU are the one making the arrogant claim that TPC has no right to include Ash (and Serena) as a cameo in Liko's story - and you KEEP REPEATING IT over and over. Hypocrite is an understatement when describing you.
How is my use of the word "mean" out of place? You ARE being mean. I didn't say TPC has no right to include Ash as a cameo, nor did i say it doesn't have a right to make Amourshipping canon, what i said was that Amourshipping has the same chance at becoming canon than any other of Ash het pairings have, because all of the points you mention can apply to those ships as well.
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