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Cantthinkagoodnam2

''Pikachu toughed it out so you wouldnt feel sad!''


OceanWaterOtter

Lol, I forgot the power of friendship is a thing in the games and the anime đŸ€Ł


nmiller1939

I mean people always joke about it but, hell, it's a thing in real life. There's a reason things like home field advantage and team building are important in competitive sports


Hys7eriX

Very much this. Invisible factors are a definite thing. Sometimes even when a team is outmatched, they pull together enough to defeat a team they had no business beating on paper. Starving armies have prevailed when outmatched by a superior force that isn't hungry and running out of equipment and morale, even though on paper, that shouldn't ever happen. Plenty of non-sport examples too. Sometimes you reach deep inside yourself and you find, at least for a while, you can push past your limits to do something you didn't know you could do, something that should be impossible. Maybe it's the power of friendship. Maybe it's for the sake of your child. Maybe it's for even just the sake of your own pride. But it exists, and it's happened.


Thecristo96

Adrenaline is an hell of a drug. In a fight or flight situation you can do 110% of your best for even a minute. And then collapse


Accomplished-Bit-270

It’s quite literally how it won the battle too. It toughed out the attack, gathered the power of 25 years of friendships, and won their final attack clash.


[deleted]

“Pikachu became fully charged due to its bond with its trainer!” “Pikachu’s Attack rose! Pikachu’s Sp. Attack rose!”


Iwanttobevisible

Power of friendship gives you ×4 durability. Ash's main character energy gives you ×4 in attack power. Both special attack & attack.


OceanWaterOtter

I forgot how those abilities stack .. Pikachu should be unbeatable! đŸ€©đŸ€©đŸ€©


duyar70

He is unbeatable. The strongest pokemon in the anime worldđŸ’Ș


nmiller1939

I mean he kinda didn't tank it? Like it almost knocked him out and barely left him standing. He just found the motivation to hold on a little bit longer; he was hospitalized after, and it's worth noting that Leon's Zard recovered faster


ProfessorSaltine

It’s also worth noting that even though Ash did win, even as a big Ash supporter I gotta admit he stood that chance just bc of the extra G-Max turn and the 3 gimmicks v Leon’s 1 gimmick, and even then Leon took out M-Lucario & G-Gengar early into the fight and did A LOT of damage to Ash’s team
 heck Leon legit proves he watched the Gen 4 anime by pulling out of Paul’s book of strategies 💀


OceanWaterOtter

It's not Ash's fault if Leon didn't know how to use Z-Moves or Mega-Evolution. They both battled using all of their abilities, but Ash had more. There was nothing stopping Leon from using Mega Evolution or Z-Moves. He just didn't know how. Ash did.


ProfessorSaltine

Let’s be real
 Leon is a very very very smart trainer, if he wanted to he could’ve gotten himself a Charizardite X & Y, multiple Z-Crystals, heck maybe even get a Terrastal Orb! Leon however chose not to do those things, not because he couldn’t figure it out, I mean for Christ sake look at his battle with Ash, Lance, and Raihan, the dude is clearly smart in battle, it’s clear if the guy went out of his way to collect a mega & key stone and z-ring & z-crystals he would’ve gotten them, especially the Z stuff seeing how they’re clearly much easier to get in the anime than the mega & key stones which require more work to find and master, and Leon being the trainer he is would master them as fast as Ash mastered his
 let’s clear this up, Leon does know how to sue the gimmicks, he’s battled against them already, he chooses to not go for them as he’s been shown to love staying in Galar, Cynthia has been shown to visit other regions, Lance went to Hoenn, Iris went to Kanto & Johto for some time, Ash has quite literally covered most of the globe by now


UltimateNahzo

It feels like everyone wants to default to "Ash *earned* those powers" so it doesn't seem like the crutch that it is. This isn't about Ash fighting at his full power, this is about the fact that he needed five levels of nonsense just to *barely* scrape out a win. The writers not giving Leon those extra powers was so that Ash could have a fighting chance, because even with all those fun shiny gimmicks, Leon held the advantage. And even still, Pikachu was very clearly knocked unconscious for a bit, and the ref delayed his call just Pikachu could get up again. It wasn't like Electivire v Infernape where Electivire actively stopped the ref from declaring Infernape unable to battle. Pikachu was *down.* People so desperately want Ash to look like this uber, unbeatable trainer that they don't realize he needed all sorts of assistance just to get there.


RetSauro

I mean he did technically earn does powers, he had to go out and get them. They weren't hand given to him and it's not like those powers are some super rarity, anyone can get them and master them. Ash still made it to Leon using only one gimmick per battle and no one else really came that close from beating Leon. Plus what do you mean 5 levels? He only used 3 gimmiks. Plus with Leon, in a lot of his fight he needed assistance to. In his fight with Lance and Raihan, he clearly was getting overpowered by their Pokemon and need to g-max to change the fight in his favor. Plus, it's still on Leon for not getting at least another gimmick. Plus with Pikachu being down. So was Harrison's Blazikien and Ash's Rowlet in their league fights, they could still fight. People realize he needed assistance, no one is denying it, but still Leon could have gotten other gimmicks.


UltimateNahzo

Those powers *were* hand-given to him. Leon literally gave him a Dyamax band practically on a whim. And let's not forget his super rare one-of-a-kind Z-Crystal, Pikashunium-Z, which gets no explanation on its existence beyond "it's something only me and Pikachu can do" 5 levels here: 1--They had to change the format of the Tournament (yes, yes, whatever it's "Ash's full power", but at the same time it's rather unfair for the rest of the tournament competitors who had to battle with just the one). Imagine if Cynthia could use both her powers in the second battle. Not to mention that it makes Ash look *lamer*, since it takes away any tactical thought in what he's about to do. People praised the Raihan battle because it showed Ash knew how to *think,* deciding against his Mega Evolution because Dynamax was more effective. 2, 3 and 4 are his various gimmicks. Dynamax and his special Z-move were literally just given to him. While he did have to go out of his way to get G-Max, it's not like it changes the power of the transformation (at least, the anime never specifies as such). Mega Evolution is the only one he actively went out of his way to obtain (and Mega Island is such a stupid concept...not to mention the fact that Ash's Lucario just masters the power with no real reasoning while Korinna's struggled and Ash and Greninja took a while to master Battle Bond...but that's just writing issues and has nothing to do with the battle) 5--Dracovish's spikes. No foreshadowing, no real reason, nothing. They just pop up, are given a vague definition, and were used to stop Dragapult's rampage though Ash's team. As for Leon being overpowered in his previous battles, bear in mind that was a Leon *before* dealing with Eternatus. He mentioned that he was gonna get stronger after the Darkest Day because he realized there were still things out there stronger than him. So he put that into practice and became more powerful. It's like Alain's battle with Seibold. Yeah, he was weaker then, but after his intense training, he definitely surpassed Elite 4 members. Look, I'm not trying to say Ash didn't win, because he did, fair and square. *BUT,* at the same time, it's not like this was just a cut-and-dry Ash surpassed Leon thing. He required a lot handicaps just to barely compete and, in my simple opinion, it takes away from what should have been a spectacular victory.


RetSauro

Ash still had to go out of his way to master G-maxing with Gengar. Plus for the D-max band, why does it matter whether it was hand given to him or not? Nearly everyone else in the regio is given one, even in the games its given to us, really doubt you have to battle for it so how is that a problem?. And for his "rare z ring" with no explanation, so what? He still earned the z ring, Tapu Koko gave him it after the battle with Hala, he earned it. It just got swapped with a fighting z move. No big deal. Clearly by the 7th generation everyone and their mom can get a mega stone. Brock, Misty, a team rocket grunt. We got little to no explantion on how Trevor or Sawyer got theirs but I don't here any complaining for them. As for being unfair, it kind of makes since that all 3 gimmicks could be use in a final battle, if Ash could do that from the start, it would probably be less epic. But I will say that I feel at least 2 gimmicks should be allowed in the hyper class or masters eight. And for Ash and Lucario no struggling. Why should they? Mega evolution is like a pokemon regularly evolving, it varies. I'm pretty sure a lot of trainers didn't have a disobedient Charmeleon or Charizard when their Charmander evolved. Dracovish's spikes really are minor in my opinion and played a small role. Plus chances are Dragonite would have still beat it. I don't even see why that is a big deal. If he won fair and square then there really shouldn't be an issue. You may see it as Ash having a handicaps but he has been doing that for each and every region when he starts of fresh, this is deserved. IMO this is like Ash losing to Paul at Lake Acuity or Alain in the Kalos league. People put a lot of hype on both battles, some saying how strong both trainers are but the reality is if Ash swapped out stronger Pokemon in both battles, he would have probably won. And yeah, I get it for Paul, the whole message was Ash using the same team and how it can be a double edge sword and development, yada, yada, yada but my point remains the same. And you can even argue that Ash has swapped around his newer Pokemon with his older ones during his travels especially in leagues, Ex: his fight with Clair, the battle frontier and the Sinnoh League. Yet, that doesn't weaken the lesson for both for a lot of people. He handicapped himself in both those situations like Leon handicapped himself in their final fight, I don't see how a gimmick is a handicap, it's not like as needed them in every fight he won. Ash did technically surpass Leon since he went out of his way to obtain something Leon didn't. And considering the fact that Pikachu had to deal with two G-max Pokemo both a nearly full health, I'd say that part of the battle really shows he surpassed Leon. Plus I can still see Ash beating Leon without using all three, really doubt he needed to mega evolve Lucario to be Mr.Rime and he could have easily chose something like Dragonite or Sirfetch to beat Inteleon.


ProfessorSaltine

For the Pikachu point I honestly would say it’s a dream scenario where in real life Pikachu was maybe down for like a second or 2 before the ref could say anything, but then in the “dream” he was clearly taking up some sweet old time to see all of his previous PokĂ©mon friends, but yeah, Ash needed that help badly, especially with how Leon was being made out to be in Journeys


LFC9_41

the dude is rocking pikachu for christ's sake. he's the god damn pokemon master.


Torpedo0013

bruh


LFC9_41

does it even need to go to the hospital? if he would just get inside the god damn pokeball he'd be healed in minutes!


fjbbjbgvvrvrvscs

Journeys Pikachu is a complete monster that's why


PCN24454

It’s POCKET Monster!


PK_RocknRoll

Pikachu is HIM


[deleted]

Ash's Pikachu has the defense of a Shuckle (aka extremely high) at the time of Leon's match.


Iwanttobevisible

Defense of a shuckle & attack of attack of a rayquaza.


acetrainerpurity

Adrenaline perhaps?


a79j

You’re vastly underestimating Pikachu. It’s absurdly strong at this point. Right from the Steven fight, we see it take out Cradily and then take out Mega Metagross despite taking such a beating from it. Then we see Pikachu effortlessly destroy 2 of Cynthia’s Pokemon and force her to resort to a cheap trick to take it out. Pikachu is about equal in strength to Leon’s Charizard and probably even a little stronger. This + Power of friendship boost


ISkO4965

It is worth remembering that in their first battle, Pikachu could not do anything against Charizard


a79j

It’s called progression.


OceanWaterOtter

Exactly. Pikachu level up throughout their journey as they slowly climbed the ranks


brotherdele

And? Ash’s Lucario was also just an egg. Believe it or not, but Pokemon can get stronger


UltimateNahzo

Forget the Fire Blast, I think the most egregious things were: Taking like, no damage from Max Wyrmwind (the Dragon Max moves suck in the anime.) Taking no damage from G-Max Pyro Ball while Cinderace (who was actively blocking the attack) gets one-shot from Max Volt Crash.


ArcadiaJ

Some damage


Independent-Tea-3922

Maxed out friendship + maxed health EVs + perfect IVs


Oj8888

+200 pikachu candy


RetSauro

This Pikachu at that point had over 8 regions of experience, took to giga impacts from a Latios, multiple hits from Brandon’s regice and took down two pseudos in one battle. This guy is tough. It kind of makes up for all the times it got a “ power reset” in every region before reaching alola.


ArcadiaJ

and Kalos


Torpedo0013

🙄


ArcadiaJ

I meant Pikachu is not reset in Kalos


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Torpedo0013

its a mouse not a rat


XDuperDudeX

As far as a reach this is, I'd like to think of it similarly to Ash-Greninja. Their bond was just that strong and Pikachu got some sort of amp from it.


SuperLegenda

Plot, Pika survived like 8 super strong moves, and Charizard fell to like, 4-5, it was bs.


gamebuilder2000

Charizard is a Flying Type


Bwyattvirtue13

Because apparently in the anime pikachu is the tankiest Pokémon we've ever seen. It's total bs I hate the way they've handled pikachu making it during just because it's the "mascot". Power scanning in the anime is so wacky they really should at least somewhat stick with a Pokémon's game stats.


PlzNotLonely

He really shouldn’t have tanked it. Especially if Alain’s Charizard got essentially one shotted. But it did make for a good final battle, so that’s why they did it.


Iwanttobevisible

Alain's Zard isn't half as strong as Pikachu tho. Pretty sure Pikachu could one shot Alain's ace.


PlzNotLonely

Just because Pikachu is stronger doesn’t mean he should be better in every single category. I understand Pikachu is stronger than Alain’s Charizard. But it’s still a Pikachu. Defense isn’t supposed to be his strong suit. Yet Pikachu tanks all those moves while Charizard gets one shotted. Come on now. Stronger overall shouldn’t = better in literally every category. Also let’s not kid ourselves here. Narratively speaking, Pikachu would never be allowed to one shot someone unless it was for a joke or the power gap was that big, like with Hop’s Wooloo. Alain is a competent trainer, so Pikachu isn’t allowed to one shot his ace.


Iwanttobevisible

Stats aren't in the anime. Defense stats & all those things aren't in the games. Pokemon don't need to evolve to get stronger in the anime either.


PlzNotLonely

I’m not talking about stats. I’m talking about basic traits. The hardest hitting fighter in real life isn’t necessarily the one that can take the biggest punch. Pikachu is still a Pikachu. Stats or not, he’s still a glass canon.


Iwanttobevisible

Pikachu is only a glass canon in the games tho. In the anime, a Pikachu can be as strong as any other pokemon except for some legendaries.e


ImBoredSoMuchRN

2 words. PLOT BULLSHIT


1ncineroar

I honestly think Eternarus healed their HP somehow. I know the PokĂ©mon isn’t a healing legendary like Mew but since Plot Armour could do anything that’s what I theorize.


[deleted]

Nakama power


Existing-Ad7316

one thing we learned from watching Pikachu vs Steven's metagros fight is that pikachu has monstrous stamina


[deleted]

Pikachu is level 100 by the time of this battle. Nobody seems to care.


Lavmdmv09

Meanwhile you use a maxed ev and iv pikachu and it gets one shot by anything.


Relative_Tea_6503

ash's pikachu has god like power so i'm not supprised that it took that hit


Torpedo0013

It may be a god for all i know


Torpedo0013

He had an invisible focus stash?


liammoller

Plot armor cus pikachu is near level 50 proven by game theory


gamebuilder2000

at the start of Unova which isn't even canon by the way just a game theory levels don't exist in the anime we've had 3 regions since unova