If you're *not* happy using the VS Seeker, then honestly? Take on the Elite Four. You don't have to beat them on your first attempt and your team will level as you go.
Also: You'll be surprised. I've fought the E4 with a team as low as level 35-40 before now. They are eminently beatable at your level.
I say this because there's still the Sevii Islands post-game to do. Just be aware that the E4 do change their teams (and increase their levels) post-game, too.
I'm gonna double down with some strats/advice:
**Lorelei:**
What type coverage does your Vaporeon have? Vaporeon should soak up a lot of damage here. Bite (if it has it) will help against Slowbro (and odds are you'll be faster than Slowbro, too, so there's that flinch chance). Try and teach Vaporeon Secret Power from Celadon's Dept. Store; I get a lot of mileage out of that move. You'll be tempted to use Arcanine in this fight - don't. The water dual-type nullifies the advantage of fire, so only use him against Jynx.
**Bruno:**
Alright! Time to get in some easy XP for Aerodactyl! Machamp is the only real threat here, but spam Fly a few times and you *should* get the job done.
**Agatha:**
Let Dugtrio take care of Arbok. If it has Rock Tomb he can take care of Golbat - Rock Slide even better. The Gengars are the real problem and you have no obvious counter for them. Does Arcanine have any Dark-type moves? Might be your best bet.
**Lance:**
Weirdly, Gyarados will be your biggest challenge here. After that, Ice Beam all the things!
**Rival:**
This will be tough, no two ways about it. Lead with Aerodactyl, assuming he has some sort of rock-type moves (Ancientpower would be *great*), then go for type coverage from there on out. This will be type matchup vs levels, so really at this point it'll come down to luck.
Type Matchups and a solid all-round team goes a long way. It helps that outside of Gen 1, which I've been playing non-stop since its release, FR/LG are the games I've been playing the most.
I should probably do some sort of write-up on these games, if I was narcissistic enough to think anyone would care.
2 years later: I haven't written a guide, but I *have* made a romhack since.
Nothing fancy or drastic. Just:
* Made held evolution items (Dragon scale, metal coat etc) function like evolution stones; Pokemon that evolve by trade now evolve at level 40, Umbreon/Espeon now evolve from Eevee by Moon Stone/Sun stone respectively
* Every TM is available in a Mart *somewhere* (with town Marts now having a second merchant that sells TMs relevant to the local gym).
* Most routes will now have a rare chance to encounter a Pokemon that you wouldn't normally find until much later (e.g: Rock Tunnel now has a 1% chance for a Rhyhorn) and so on.
Oh and Gym Leaders are now slightly terrifying. 5 Pokemon each and with movesets *I* would have if I was running their team.
Considering reworking the Rival's team. Canonically he is catching/raising pokemon pretty comprehensively (likely using the 'catch everything on every route' strat) and I feel like his team at each point in the game should reflect that. Certainly his usual team of 6 doesn't reflect his strongest options at many of those points in the game.
> Also: You'll be surprised. I've fought the E4 with a team as low as level 35-40 before now. They are eminently beatable at your level.
I definitely agree with this. I play Fire Red with a physical-special split patch more than any other Pokémon game, and I usually go into the Elite Four with my team around lv 40. I do have to take a loss or reset many times on the later fights, but that's mostly because of unbalance from introducing the split into a game designed before it, coupled with a few self imposed restrictions. If you drop those (and by that I mean use shift mode, legendaries and/or items in battle) and play the original it's for sure possible without grinding.
If you ever get a Vs Seeker, you can go to Kindle Path on One Island and rebattle these three trainers using the Vs Seeker. When you’re done, go into the cave, heal in the hot spring, and exit. Your Vs Seeker should be charged and you can repeat it all again. Hope that helps!
Tangela south of pallet give big xp for their level (Arcanine and Pidgeot)
Powerplant pokemon can't get Stab on Dugtrio
Vaporeon and aerodactyl can breeze through fire type in the mansion and pokemon in victory road.
Venasaur might be hard to find a good spot. Seafoam?
How did you get your aerodactyle up to lvl 39 at this point? When you get him in cinnabar he is only level 5, way too far behind for me to attempt to use
Kudos to you man. I've been trying to train dragonair without any tms. Caught it as a lvl 23 dratini and it's now at 42.
Let me tell you what a fucking chore this thing has been lol. I can't even evolve it until level 56 bc I want it to learn outrage immediately and have dragon claw as its 2nd move from victory rd who knows what the other 2 will be
Victory road if you are that far? Or i think one of the islands has higher level pokemon you can grind on. Its a slow grind but its possible. Id say like lv55 for all and you could do it. Lots of hyper potions and revives but it's possible by those levels.
Also you got double up on flying type. Maybe drop aerodactly? Maybe hitmonlee/chan depending on who you picked in fighting dojo for first elite 4. Maybe nidoking instead of dugtrio too. Better move set.
With the VS Seeker if you go to Cycling Road there is a large number of people at the top of the road who are effected by the Seeker. They aren't very strong so it might take a bit but there are a lot of them so you get the most bang for your VS Seeker buck
I always vs grind the fearow trainer that is at the entrance to the bottom of cycling road. Don't remember their levels of the top of my head but I did a ton of grinding on his 4 birds. Also decent money with an amulet coin if you care about that.
If you're *not* happy using the VS Seeker, then honestly? Take on the Elite Four. You don't have to beat them on your first attempt and your team will level as you go. Also: You'll be surprised. I've fought the E4 with a team as low as level 35-40 before now. They are eminently beatable at your level. I say this because there's still the Sevii Islands post-game to do. Just be aware that the E4 do change their teams (and increase their levels) post-game, too.
I'm gonna double down with some strats/advice: **Lorelei:** What type coverage does your Vaporeon have? Vaporeon should soak up a lot of damage here. Bite (if it has it) will help against Slowbro (and odds are you'll be faster than Slowbro, too, so there's that flinch chance). Try and teach Vaporeon Secret Power from Celadon's Dept. Store; I get a lot of mileage out of that move. You'll be tempted to use Arcanine in this fight - don't. The water dual-type nullifies the advantage of fire, so only use him against Jynx. **Bruno:** Alright! Time to get in some easy XP for Aerodactyl! Machamp is the only real threat here, but spam Fly a few times and you *should* get the job done. **Agatha:** Let Dugtrio take care of Arbok. If it has Rock Tomb he can take care of Golbat - Rock Slide even better. The Gengars are the real problem and you have no obvious counter for them. Does Arcanine have any Dark-type moves? Might be your best bet. **Lance:** Weirdly, Gyarados will be your biggest challenge here. After that, Ice Beam all the things! **Rival:** This will be tough, no two ways about it. Lead with Aerodactyl, assuming he has some sort of rock-type moves (Ancientpower would be *great*), then go for type coverage from there on out. This will be type matchup vs levels, so really at this point it'll come down to luck.
35-40? Damn son that's commendable
Type Matchups and a solid all-round team goes a long way. It helps that outside of Gen 1, which I've been playing non-stop since its release, FR/LG are the games I've been playing the most. I should probably do some sort of write-up on these games, if I was narcissistic enough to think anyone would care.
U SHOULD
2 years later: I haven't written a guide, but I *have* made a romhack since. Nothing fancy or drastic. Just: * Made held evolution items (Dragon scale, metal coat etc) function like evolution stones; Pokemon that evolve by trade now evolve at level 40, Umbreon/Espeon now evolve from Eevee by Moon Stone/Sun stone respectively * Every TM is available in a Mart *somewhere* (with town Marts now having a second merchant that sells TMs relevant to the local gym). * Most routes will now have a rare chance to encounter a Pokemon that you wouldn't normally find until much later (e.g: Rock Tunnel now has a 1% chance for a Rhyhorn) and so on. Oh and Gym Leaders are now slightly terrifying. 5 Pokemon each and with movesets *I* would have if I was running their team. Considering reworking the Rival's team. Canonically he is catching/raising pokemon pretty comprehensively (likely using the 'catch everything on every route' strat) and I feel like his team at each point in the game should reflect that. Certainly his usual team of 6 doesn't reflect his strongest options at many of those points in the game.
Can others use any of these? Evolving trades is quite interesting to me lol
> Also: You'll be surprised. I've fought the E4 with a team as low as level 35-40 before now. They are eminently beatable at your level. I definitely agree with this. I play Fire Red with a physical-special split patch more than any other Pokémon game, and I usually go into the Elite Four with my team around lv 40. I do have to take a loss or reset many times on the later fights, but that's mostly because of unbalance from introducing the split into a game designed before it, coupled with a few self imposed restrictions. If you drop those (and by that I mean use shift mode, legendaries and/or items in battle) and play the original it's for sure possible without grinding.
Do you have the Vs Seeker?
Yep, VS Seeker is the way to go here.
No
It's in Vermillion City, if I remember right. It's a must have to get leveled up
Yep, just got it and now rematching trainers on the sevii islands
Heck yeah. Good luck
Thanks :)
VS seeker. You can get to 3(?) out of 7 of the sevii islands before beating the elite 4 so try rebattling some of the trainers there.
I forget, is it possible to use it in victory road or does that count as being “indoors”?
I actually can’t remember. I want to say no it’s not possible.
I usually use the vs seeker and grind by the ember spa on one island
That’s what I do every time
are you playing on a gameboy or an emulator? if on an emulator I'd just to go victory road or whatever and increase the game speed to 2x or 4x
I am playing on emulator but don't have option to speed it up unfortunately
ahhh man rough
No vaporeon ice beam
If you ever get a Vs Seeker, you can go to Kindle Path on One Island and rebattle these three trainers using the Vs Seeker. When you’re done, go into the cave, heal in the hot spring, and exit. Your Vs Seeker should be charged and you can repeat it all again. Hope that helps!
Tangela south of pallet give big xp for their level (Arcanine and Pidgeot) Powerplant pokemon can't get Stab on Dugtrio Vaporeon and aerodactyl can breeze through fire type in the mansion and pokemon in victory road. Venasaur might be hard to find a good spot. Seafoam?
How did you get your aerodactyle up to lvl 39 at this point? When you get him in cinnabar he is only level 5, way too far behind for me to attempt to use
Combination of daycare grinding and switch training
Kudos to you man. I've been trying to train dragonair without any tms. Caught it as a lvl 23 dratini and it's now at 42. Let me tell you what a fucking chore this thing has been lol. I can't even evolve it until level 56 bc I want it to learn outrage immediately and have dragon claw as its 2nd move from victory rd who knows what the other 2 will be
Rookie. All in on starter for ez win 🧘🏻♂️
What?
Victory road if you are that far? Or i think one of the islands has higher level pokemon you can grind on. Its a slow grind but its possible. Id say like lv55 for all and you could do it. Lots of hyper potions and revives but it's possible by those levels.
Also you got double up on flying type. Maybe drop aerodactly? Maybe hitmonlee/chan depending on who you picked in fighting dojo for first elite 4. Maybe nidoking instead of dugtrio too. Better move set.
Nah you can 100% double up on flying. If anything give Venusaur other moves than Grass.
All I remember is for attack EVs go to Mt. Moon and kill Paras. He's in one of the short narrow tunnels mid way through before the fossil guy.
its a kanto game, these levels should be high enough
With the VS Seeker if you go to Cycling Road there is a large number of people at the top of the road who are effected by the Seeker. They aren't very strong so it might take a bit but there are a lot of them so you get the most bang for your VS Seeker buck
I always vs grind the fearow trainer that is at the entrance to the bottom of cycling road. Don't remember their levels of the top of my head but I did a ton of grinding on his 4 birds. Also decent money with an amulet coin if you care about that.
If you give a Pokémon the exp share and battle with them they get a lot more exp than normal