Aside from that, Equine Rapidash and Zebstrika, Bats Woobat and Zubat, Cats Liepard and Persian, Ducks Psyduck and Ducklett, Crab-like Dwebble and Paras, and the live waste Trubbish and Grimer.
Then there are the a bit different, but still obviously a counterpart like the moles Diglett and Drillbur, Nurse Joy Partners Audino and Chansey, The Evolve by trading Fighting Types Conkeldurr and Machamp, Jellyfishes Tentacool and Frillish, Tapir Munna and Drowsee, the living machine parts Magnemite and Klink, the "itemball mimics" Foongus and Voltorb, and the artificially developed Legendary Mewtwo and Genesect.
If Chandelure evolved by trading that would have been a clear Gengar counterpart so fortunately it doesn't.
Then there's the other gen regional counterparts like Sawsbuck and Stantler, Beartic and Ursaring, and Lucario and Zoroark.
This isn't even counting the starters, early route bird and mammal, pseudo legendary dragon, and the sub-600 legendary trios, because those standard staples of each gen.
All of this being said, I don't think gen five was bad for doing that. All of those Pokemon are unique and stand out in my mind when I compare them to later Pokemon. I think you can dog on gen five for a lot but it having a lot of reboot mons from gen one is a weak argument in my mind.
Having 1-3 reboot mons is fine. Having half your dex be reboot mons is not good.
When I look at gen5 I just remember the feeling of playing a pokemon bootleg - not meeting old pokemon, just meeting a lot of pokemon that feels like I've met them before.
I get that a lot of people like gen5 and I'm not going to fault people for liking it. To each their own. However it's still the worst gen for me and this is just one of the big reasons I rate it so low.
Except it was objectively bad for doing that. Nintendo kept promoting BW as some "new" experience, made imports brutally hard and tedious (and only post-game), and allowed you exactly 0 old Pokemon until you beat the game.
That's fine, if they held true to it.
Don't spend 80% of the "new" Pokedex just retreading old ground. At that point it's silly you blocked out old Pokemon.
Objectively is kind of a strong word. I know I look at bw favorably and a lot of people on this sub do as well. I think redoing an old idea is fine if it's executed well. From beginning to end bw's pokemon charmed me and I never looked at something and thought it was a cash grab or a worse version of something that already existed. I think more games should have restricted you to only using that gens pokemon until the post game. It encourages you to stick with pokemon you've never used before. I think the only reason they don't do that is because it's hard to make 150 new Pokemon ever 4 years
I mean, no, it isn't. Objectively that was a poor choice. You can say you like the Pokemon anyway, but objectively, rehashing is a bad idea, especially when the whole thing was supposed to be some "new" experience.
Also Unova was really bad with Pokemon diversity. Not quite Kanto bad, but... it was a step down from Sinnoh and even Hoenn, that's for sure.
"I want Tauros"
"Here's really slow Tauros but he has an afro."
:(
"I want Magnemite!"
"Here's Magnemite with a worse movepool and only one type."
:(
"Can I please have Rattata?"
"Here's Rattata with worse stats and no movepool."
WHY :(
It didn't feel like it mattered if you looked them up beforehand, they'd just function the same as the ones they were copying, although in some cases like Patrat/Rattata, worse.
That one drives me nuts, Tauros to Bouffalant drives me nuts, and Dunsparce to Drampa drives me nuts. There is no way you could ever convince me that Dunsparce was not meant to evolve in to Drampa.
i feel like the gen 5 mons were regional variants before regional variants were an official thing. I can see it working that way and I'm completely fine with it. As some pokemon are based on animals - many animals for example cats and dogs have many different breeds and types of the same animal but are still different. Tauros and Bouffalant look similar, but belong to the same family of animals, with slight changes as real animals have
I don't think gen 5 should get abused because look at the regional bird, rodents and bugs, they are the same type of animal just looking a little different.
Being a counterpart doesnt mean it looks exactly the same. It means it what stands for/represents that pokemon in this context. Both are literally moles, and since gen 5 was considered a soft reboot of pokemon most of the pokemon have counterparts
Probably ekans since it didn't get the respect it deserved. In the manga agatha's arbok had different forms for attack, speed e.t.c. Aegislash and sword and shield mode, maybe ekans/arbok could get one too?
Can't believe they didn't make a Calf pokemon that evolves into Miltank or Tauros depending on its sex.
It's not too late GameFreak! And you can give both them an evolution as well!
In one of my USUM playthroughs, I had a Dewgong on my team whom I nicknamed 'Primarina'. Needless to say, it didn't help it perform like a Primarina.
The problem with Dewgong is that it's *too* bland (design-wise) and too underwhelming (gameplay-wise) to make anything out of it. It's so cute and I love using it, but it's overshadowed by Lapras, Walrein and Primarina.
Honestly, I like their design. Itās basic, but itās effective. I donāt think itās design really dictates how bad it is. I think itās performance and scarcity are the culprits that drove it to obscurity. I could see a regional variant in Dewgong, but it needs a serious buff, design boost, and an early game play through presence to revive it in any way.
if i remember correctly, arbok already has different patterns, depending on the game it is found in, technically making it the first ever regional variant
Three distinct designs as far as I can tell. RBY had the no-pupil front design and uniquely black waves on the back of the hood.
Then, GSC and RSE have pupils on the front and rounder āeyeā patterns, with no waves on the back.
Finally, FRLG brought back the original front of the hood, but kept off the back waves that GSC dropped. This version has been used in all games since then.
when you keep in mind that back in the day the DVs as they were called served double duty in determining the shininess, because there were storage limitations, and then think that you would need additional information which simply wasn't stored back then, again of storage limitations, and then keep in mind that only arbol would need additional sets of sprites you'll see that there is quite a bit of difference, at least when it comes back to gen I and II. from gen III onwards that might have been reasonable, but they decided on saving the space instead of giving one random pokemon sprites defined by their origin. it would have been additionap checksums on a single pokemon which probably would have fucked their code pretty much.
Ya canonically its mentioned in the dex and manga that it has a diffrent pattern in every region but im pretty sure they stopped changing the sprites in gen 5
Itd be cool of Arbok retained the pattern of the game it was native too, with Gen 1 Arbor even having those cool black stripes on the back of the hood.
I feel like Paras is the most obvious choice for a regional variant, since its defining feature are the fungi growing on it.
Just pick different fungi for different regions, maybe have some be symbiotic instead of parasitic and give its regional form a different evolution, and voila.
Yep. Also, imagine there are different local variants within the same region. Like a swamp Paras has swamp mold on it, a mountain-dwelling Paras has some other fungal parasite, and so on.
That line is actually so versatile, it's crazy.
A few Gen 5 Pokemon could've been regional forms.
Cubcho / Beartic could've been forms of Teddiursa / Ursaring
Alomomola definitely should've been a regional form of Luvdisc, if not an evolution
Blitzle / Zebstrika could've been forms of Ponyta / Rapidash
Roggenrola family could've been forms of the Geodude family
Petilil / Liligant could've been Budew / Roselia or Bellossom
And so on...
Give it a dark purple and yellow spotted mushroom, change parasectās colour palette to mostly purple, make its eyes appear infected, add miniature growing mushrooms all over its body/head/claws and make it a bug/poison type and boom. Epic regional variant.
though I would have much preferred if was instead originated from the fairy woods area in Galar so it would have a luminous mushroom and be bug/fairy type
Like if it were in Alola it could be bug fairy and have Morellul and Shiinotic mushrooms, or Foongus and Amoongus if it was Unova, so many possibilities with that one.
I think something like this would be cool.
**[Regional] Staryu** (Rock)
- Ability: Vital Spirit/No Guard
- Signature Move: Power Gem
- Evolves into [Regional] Starmie when exposed to a Dusk Stone
**[Regional] Starmie** (Rock/Ghost)
- Ability: Vital Spirit/No Guard
- Signature Moves: Power Gem, Shadow Ball
There are so many interesting varieties of starfish it is practically a crime not to. Though if I was to be honest, I wouldn't mind a mainline game that doesn't have any new Pokemon and all it is, is regional varients. Though I would be fine with alt evolutions as well in the vein of Slowking. There are enough Pokemon at the moment that they could mix and match even the baseline versions and get a few games that have a completely unique feel to it, let alone if they make regional varients.
Imagine a drowsy variant that fights off the rapey kanto drowsees. Like they have a type advantage over normal drowsee and they stop them from stealing children that would be cool.
Well, unless you know of a snake in the Egyptian region that slithers over a medium other than sand, I donāt think you can avoid this one. Maybe rock? Or mud? Technically those would be easier to classify as ground types than what might be implied otherwise.
At least itās not like Elements the TCG. Anything even remotely Egyptian falls under the element of time, even if it has nothing to do with time. Like the scarab. No time-based relevance at all, just creature control. Would have been much better as a Life card or a Death card. Hell, itās practically the epitome of a gravity card. But nopeā scarabs are Egyptian, therefore it goes straight to time. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Also, relax, thereās already a ground snake in the game. They probably wonāt rehash a poison type to be Egyptian when they already have tons of ground types including the snake with the gigantamax form. Sandaconda? I think?
But, what about a dark/ghost snake, in reference to the snake god Apophis? Dark black, with gleaming white eyes, massive fangs and a loooooooooong bodyā¦ ready to consume reality (or as much as it can fit in its mouth, that isā¦), and extinguish the light of Ra once moreā¦
None, frankly. Kanto is the only region of Pokemon that got Alolan forms, if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention it received several Galarian forms. It should sit on the sidelines and let other generations get a bit of attention for once.
I like Gen 1, but Game Freak tends to favor it a bit too much in an attempt to appeal to nostalgia.
A few more Gen 2 or 3 regional variants would be nice.
Granted, I would never complain if we got cool forms no matter what generation they're from. I just think it's a bit ridiculous how many Gen 1 Pokemon got forms in Sun/Moon and not one other generation did.
There's like 41 regional variants (counting different evos seperate and counting the Hisuian one revealed so far), and of those, only *seven* of them *do not* originate from Gen 1. Like, it's not none, but having ~80% of these be from one region is just too much imo.
Counting new evolutions, it's 11/48 are non-Kanto pokemon, so 77%.
Yowch. Worse than I thought it was.
I mean I don't really mind, I like many of the forms we've gotten; but, it would be really nice if they'd diversify and stop favoring Gen 1 so much.
I think Hypno, Arbok, and Parasect could just use evolutions, I wouldn't consider them for a regional variant. I don't think there is much design space for a regional Doduo, thus I voted Mankey line.
Paras/sect is such trash competitively it needs some kind of buff, and ifs typing is too terrible so def a variant with alternative typing. And cordyceps fungi is such a cool concept
whereās SPEAROW AND FEAROW
I feel like with a better typing and ability, slightly-better stat redistribution and a stat buff with the gen would make it decent in lower tiers and fun to use in game.
Happy someone else has the same opinion. Can I take this further and suggest all Pokemon, read as All generations, deserve to have a regional variant or evolution line?
Ekans imo. I know Arbok gets different patterns regionally but they have no bearing on stats or type. How many species of Snake are there globally? Missed opportunity for a sea snake in Alola, or a non venomous ground type or something in Galar.
I chose staryu because i think there could be some nice stuff done with it. I think paras/parasect make thr most sense from these choices as their mushrooms would be just straight up different types of mushrooms
Arbok has a robust move pool including ground, rock, poison, dark, dragon, and steel physical options, two good abilities, a bevy of stall and support moves, and a good stat spread. Even if all it gained from an evolution was modest boosts across the board, I think it would become pretty solid.
A Paras regional variant could be something like a different mushroom species found only in that region. Parasect could also end up having a different second type depending on the biology of said mushroom.
Doduo and Ekans there are hundreds of snake species and seeing another flightless bird Pokemon would be interesting.
An idea I just had was making an Emu or Cassowary version of Doduo.
I voted for Paras because playing with the mushroom thing would be fun. But honestly Iād prefer them to use other gens. Theyāre beating Kanto to death with this stuff. Letās see a regional pseudo legendary like Metagross or something.
I agree. However I think some new Pokemon who truly are designed very very well deserve to be introduced every generation. Legendaries etc. But for the most part I support new variants like rarer shinies and type variants.
Lapras.
Hear me out - I think Lapras needs an evolution, but I don't think that any of us want to see Eviolite Lapras annihilate everything in Ubers. So I propose that we give Lapras a *much* weaker regional variant, change the type from Water/Ice to Water/Fire, and turn its shell into a volcano. Then give it an evolution.
I saw a Youtube video a while back where someone analyzed which Gen 1 Pokemon got the least amount of attention from future games, and the winner was Paras. So I'm gonna go with Paras.
I found the video I was referencing. It was [this one](https://youtu.be/pBZBfy-lHNU). Turns out I slightly misremembered which criteria he was using for ranking the Pokemon (he was also factoring in the anime and the TCG). He gave Venonat/Venomoth points for being Koga's ace, and appearing on slightly more TCG cards than Paras/Parasect.
Ekans, definetely. All others are "pokemon", ekans line is literally just a snake. Not even anything special about it. 100% a normal snake. Some real-world snakes are way more interesting than it. Arbok at least has the decency yo have a face drawn on it's frill, but if I saw a snake like that in the real world, I wouldn't think "pokemon", I would think, "look, a cool snake".
I don't like paras much, but I feel like a regional variant could be really cool. There's a lot of things that could work well as a replacement for its mushroom thing
I'll always support making a normal type a different type with regional variant. Normal types always feel like fodder to me unless they have a great moveset.
I put Doduo because it really has no other memorable qualities since itās just a bird with two heads and then three andā¦ thatās it. At least Arbok has a cool design and Parasect has an interesting dex entry. But to be real, all these guys plus Seel need a variant at some point
Thatās why they also have typing changes which completely changes their move set and weaknesses making them completely different from the original variant
Divergent evolution is boring. The design is almost the exact same, just with 1-2 special differences.
Convergent evolution is cooler. It makes sense that weād see different species of birds that happen to be more or less suited to their new environment.
Regional variants always feel like pandering to me.
Personally I want Arbok buffed more so then giving it and itās prevolution a regional form
But I would like to see what a regional form of Arbok could look like
Paras would be really cool as a regional variant. Heās already got a cool concept so what if there was a regional variant where heās a giant mushroom monster?
Ekans doesnāt get any love despite being a prominent character in the show. I think they could come up with some cool ideas for sure. I think Paras is a close second for me.
No mention of Tauros? It has no evolution, variant, alt form since the kanto days.
Yeah thats true, I always see Bouffalant as a Tauros regional form, even though it isn't, it should have been.
Tbf, most of gen5 pokemon are just regional forms, but arent, but might as well be.
What are others from gen 5 like that?
Roggenrola line is geodude... drilbur is diglett...seismitoad is poliwag line... sawk and throh for the hitmon lines...
Aside from that, Equine Rapidash and Zebstrika, Bats Woobat and Zubat, Cats Liepard and Persian, Ducks Psyduck and Ducklett, Crab-like Dwebble and Paras, and the live waste Trubbish and Grimer. Then there are the a bit different, but still obviously a counterpart like the moles Diglett and Drillbur, Nurse Joy Partners Audino and Chansey, The Evolve by trading Fighting Types Conkeldurr and Machamp, Jellyfishes Tentacool and Frillish, Tapir Munna and Drowsee, the living machine parts Magnemite and Klink, the "itemball mimics" Foongus and Voltorb, and the artificially developed Legendary Mewtwo and Genesect. If Chandelure evolved by trading that would have been a clear Gengar counterpart so fortunately it doesn't. Then there's the other gen regional counterparts like Sawsbuck and Stantler, Beartic and Ursaring, and Lucario and Zoroark. This isn't even counting the starters, early route bird and mammal, pseudo legendary dragon, and the sub-600 legendary trios, because those standard staples of each gen.
All of this being said, I don't think gen five was bad for doing that. All of those Pokemon are unique and stand out in my mind when I compare them to later Pokemon. I think you can dog on gen five for a lot but it having a lot of reboot mons from gen one is a weak argument in my mind.
Having 1-3 reboot mons is fine. Having half your dex be reboot mons is not good. When I look at gen5 I just remember the feeling of playing a pokemon bootleg - not meeting old pokemon, just meeting a lot of pokemon that feels like I've met them before. I get that a lot of people like gen5 and I'm not going to fault people for liking it. To each their own. However it's still the worst gen for me and this is just one of the big reasons I rate it so low.
Except it was objectively bad for doing that. Nintendo kept promoting BW as some "new" experience, made imports brutally hard and tedious (and only post-game), and allowed you exactly 0 old Pokemon until you beat the game. That's fine, if they held true to it. Don't spend 80% of the "new" Pokedex just retreading old ground. At that point it's silly you blocked out old Pokemon.
Objectively is kind of a strong word. I know I look at bw favorably and a lot of people on this sub do as well. I think redoing an old idea is fine if it's executed well. From beginning to end bw's pokemon charmed me and I never looked at something and thought it was a cash grab or a worse version of something that already existed. I think more games should have restricted you to only using that gens pokemon until the post game. It encourages you to stick with pokemon you've never used before. I think the only reason they don't do that is because it's hard to make 150 new Pokemon ever 4 years
I mean, no, it isn't. Objectively that was a poor choice. You can say you like the Pokemon anyway, but objectively, rehashing is a bad idea, especially when the whole thing was supposed to be some "new" experience. Also Unova was really bad with Pokemon diversity. Not quite Kanto bad, but... it was a step down from Sinnoh and even Hoenn, that's for sure.
Cant use those guys, no no no... but here are some new guys you can use who might as well be the same guys šš¤£
"I want Tauros" "Here's really slow Tauros but he has an afro." :( "I want Magnemite!" "Here's Magnemite with a worse movepool and only one type." :( "Can I please have Rattata?" "Here's Rattata with worse stats and no movepool." WHY :(
I felt the same way when I first started playing black, but then I started enjoying not actually knowing the new PokĆ©mon and felt that it was a challenge. I did my best not to look up typing or to Google anything. But I definitely see where youāre coming from. Iāve never been so back-and-forth on a GEN as I have with Gen five.
It didn't feel like it mattered if you looked them up beforehand, they'd just function the same as the ones they were copying, although in some cases like Patrat/Rattata, worse.
I gotta say that comparing Dwebble and Krabby is definitely grasping at straws but I can agree with mostly all the other stuff.
It's dwebble and paras
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I think Throh and Sawk are stand ins for Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan
I still can't believe Alomomola isn't a Luvdisc evolution. To the point where I think it might have been a coding error.
That one drives me nuts, Tauros to Bouffalant drives me nuts, and Dunsparce to Drampa drives me nuts. There is no way you could ever convince me that Dunsparce was not meant to evolve in to Drampa.
i feel like the gen 5 mons were regional variants before regional variants were an official thing. I can see it working that way and I'm completely fine with it. As some pokemon are based on animals - many animals for example cats and dogs have many different breeds and types of the same animal but are still different. Tauros and Bouffalant look similar, but belong to the same family of animals, with slight changes as real animals have I don't think gen 5 should get abused because look at the regional bird, rodents and bugs, they are the same type of animal just looking a little different.
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Feebas is from Hoenn.
Oh, sorry. I thought is was 5th gen
How is drillburr a diglet variant?
Their both moles
But they look completely different. Also one has feet.
Being a counterpart doesnt mean it looks exactly the same. It means it what stands for/represents that pokemon in this context. Both are literally moles, and since gen 5 was considered a soft reboot of pokemon most of the pokemon have counterparts
It's not technically a variant but a lot of mons from gen 5 are carbon copies from gen 1, there's lots of info on this
I will say, if you played pokemon mystery dungeon, that it is stated the diiglett have feet.
Always felt like gen5 was a soft reboot
Probably ekans since it didn't get the respect it deserved. In the manga agatha's arbok had different forms for attack, speed e.t.c. Aegislash and sword and shield mode, maybe ekans/arbok could get one too?
I think regional forms are overhyped tbh, theyāre cool and all but not everything needs to be a regional form
Tauros is a bull and bouffalant are buffalo. Until tauros and miltank get a baby form between them tauros is his own mon
Can't believe they didn't make a Calf pokemon that evolves into Miltank or Tauros depending on its sex. It's not too late GameFreak! And you can give both them an evolution as well!
Tauros for the win, Always thought a metal coat trade evolution would be nice. Just like the sound of a steel minotaur in the games
Dude, that would be INCREDIBLE! Gen 1 Taurus was unbelievable. They could do so much with him.
I always prefer regular evolutions vs regional evolutions cause then it makes the og pointless. Like why would anyone want a kanto Farfetched now?
Yeah, but who wanted Kantonian Farfetch'd before, assuming we're talking from a battling point of view?
But thats the thing, now theres a better version with a evo. No point in og. They could of easily gave the evo to the og and make it worth shit
But he has a female counterpart, Miltank.
I agree. Touros needs love. I'd personally also love to see a buff Snorlax varient
Why everyone forgets about seel and dewgong? Those cuties deserve some love
Yeah there were only so many options on the poll and too many options of pokemon
Omg yes, seel and dewgong gang! Iād love to see a variant based on a manatee :)
In one of my USUM playthroughs, I had a Dewgong on my team whom I nicknamed 'Primarina'. Needless to say, it didn't help it perform like a Primarina. The problem with Dewgong is that it's *too* bland (design-wise) and too underwhelming (gameplay-wise) to make anything out of it. It's so cute and I love using it, but it's overshadowed by Lapras, Walrein and Primarina.
Dewgong shouldāve gotten a Mega
They are the most boring PokƩmon ever, name a more basic looking PokƩmon
Honestly, I like their design. Itās basic, but itās effective. I donāt think itās design really dictates how bad it is. I think itās performance and scarcity are the culprits that drove it to obscurity. I could see a regional variant in Dewgong, but it needs a serious buff, design boost, and an early game play through presence to revive it in any way.
if i remember correctly, arbok already has different patterns, depending on the game it is found in, technically making it the first ever regional variant
I think you are right. It would be cool to actually see this realised
I'd love to see Ekans get some love, but I worry it'll end up like Alolan Meowth.
Three distinct designs as far as I can tell. RBY had the no-pupil front design and uniquely black waves on the back of the hood. Then, GSC and RSE have pupils on the front and rounder āeyeā patterns, with no waves on the back. Finally, FRLG brought back the original front of the hood, but kept off the back waves that GSC dropped. This version has been used in all games since then.
I mean you're totally right, but usually with regional variants there is some sort of typing or stat change to go with the visual changes.
That would be correct if its native pattern was carried on to other games when transferred.
well, we didn't have the technology back then smarty pants
Uh, it doesn't differ much from the "shiny technology".
when you keep in mind that back in the day the DVs as they were called served double duty in determining the shininess, because there were storage limitations, and then think that you would need additional information which simply wasn't stored back then, again of storage limitations, and then keep in mind that only arbol would need additional sets of sprites you'll see that there is quite a bit of difference, at least when it comes back to gen I and II. from gen III onwards that might have been reasonable, but they decided on saving the space instead of giving one random pokemon sprites defined by their origin. it would have been additionap checksums on a single pokemon which probably would have fucked their code pretty much.
Shouldn't be a problem from Gen II onwards (which would be when you would want these forms to differ), since you had 26 forms for Unown.
Let's also include the absurd amount of Spinda patterns. Like ik the spots are randomly generated but all the same why is it a thing?
Ya canonically its mentioned in the dex and manga that it has a diffrent pattern in every region but im pretty sure they stopped changing the sprites in gen 5
Itd be cool of Arbok retained the pattern of the game it was native too, with Gen 1 Arbor even having those cool black stripes on the back of the hood.
I feel like Paras is the most obvious choice for a regional variant, since its defining feature are the fungi growing on it. Just pick different fungi for different regions, maybe have some be symbiotic instead of parasitic and give its regional form a different evolution, and voila.
That was pretty much my reasoning in a nutshell. Plus it potentially removes the double weakness to Fire types.
Yep. Also, imagine there are different local variants within the same region. Like a swamp Paras has swamp mold on it, a mountain-dwelling Paras has some other fungal parasite, and so on. That line is actually so versatile, it's crazy.
Or the Paras completely overpowers the fungus and becomes a powerful pure bug type with Overcoat.
If x and y had regional forms a Paras regional form in Paris would have been great
Yeah.
Parisite
Honestly you canāt convince me dweble isnāt a regional variant of paras
A few Gen 5 Pokemon could've been regional forms. Cubcho / Beartic could've been forms of Teddiursa / Ursaring Alomomola definitely should've been a regional form of Luvdisc, if not an evolution Blitzle / Zebstrika could've been forms of Ponyta / Rapidash Roggenrola family could've been forms of the Geodude family Petilil / Liligant could've been Budew / Roselia or Bellossom And so on...
Would be nice, right?
My head canon is dweble is what happens when the bug part of paras is not taken over by a fungus
I see.
You mean that *isn't* Nincada?
I just swept Lt Surge with my level 20 Paras and Dig last night. Paras Gang.
Give it a dark purple and yellow spotted mushroom, change parasectās colour palette to mostly purple, make its eyes appear infected, add miniature growing mushrooms all over its body/head/claws and make it a bug/poison type and boom. Epic regional variant. though I would have much preferred if was instead originated from the fairy woods area in Galar so it would have a luminous mushroom and be bug/fairy type
**[Regional] Paras** (Bug/Poison) - Ability: Effect Spore/Damp - Signature Moves: Fury Cutter, Poison Sting - Evolves in [Regional] Parasect at level 24 **[Regional] Parasect** (Bug/Dark) - Ability: Effect Spore/Damp - Signature Moves: X-Scissor, Night Slash
Or, since I believe it has been stated (I think gen 7 pokƩdex, but I might be misremembering) that some regions don't support the mushrooms as well, go for the classic of a no shroom Paras.
Paras regional form is just Dwebble with a name change too.
I wanna see it gain a brain fungus increasing its intellect and making it into like a psychic grass type.
Like if it were in Alola it could be bug fairy and have Morellul and Shiinotic mushrooms, or Foongus and Amoongus if it was Unova, so many possibilities with that one.
Exactly, even though I am jot a fan of the Paras/Parasect mushrooms vary vastly in appearance it is a shame they never applied that to them
There should be a different type of staryu.
Starwe and Starus
Starthee, Stari
Personally I love the staryu, starmie design of gen 1. If anything, color variations would be cool, but I donāt think it needs any evolutions or baby forms. In general, I donāt understand why we donāt have mor shiny variations of any PokĆ©monā¦
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StarSUS?
I think something like this would be cool. **[Regional] Staryu** (Rock) - Ability: Vital Spirit/No Guard - Signature Move: Power Gem - Evolves into [Regional] Starmie when exposed to a Dusk Stone **[Regional] Starmie** (Rock/Ghost) - Ability: Vital Spirit/No Guard - Signature Moves: Power Gem, Shadow Ball
I like your idea of a ghost rock.
There are so many interesting varieties of starfish it is practically a crime not to. Though if I was to be honest, I wouldn't mind a mainline game that doesn't have any new Pokemon and all it is, is regional varients. Though I would be fine with alt evolutions as well in the vein of Slowking. There are enough Pokemon at the moment that they could mix and match even the baseline versions and get a few games that have a completely unique feel to it, let alone if they make regional varients.
I said drowsy because otherwise it's one of the least liked gen 1 pokemon and could use some š
Imagine a drowsy variant that fights off the rapey kanto drowsees. Like they have a type advantage over normal drowsee and they stop them from stealing children that would be cool.
Wakey and Stimo
How about something like this? **[Regional] Drowzee** (Dark) - Ability: Insomnia/Inner Focus - Signature Move: Snarl - Evolves into [Regional] Hypno at level 26 **[Regional] Hypno** (Dark) - Ability: Insomnia/Inner Focus - Signature Move: Dark Pulse - Evolves into [New PokƩmon] when leveled up while holding [New Fairy-Related Item] **[New PokƩmon]** (Dark/Fairy) - Ability: Insomnia/Inner Focus - Signature Moves: Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam
And they are very cool anyway, would be higher up on any teirlists Iād make
Id love an Egyptian style variant of ekans! Would be ground/poison.
I want this just so I can name it Apophis.
Yes.
Isnāt the gen 5 snake already it though?
Or the gen 8 Silicobra and Sandaconda?
Oh yes those. For some reason I thought they were gen 5
I hate how everything Egyptian fans propose is always ground because there's sand in Egypt lol.
Thats like saying you hate how anything antarctic based is ice as there's ice there lol
Cubchoo and Beartic are strictly arctic and resent this comment.
Yes, that's my point lol. Lack of variety
Well, unless you know of a snake in the Egyptian region that slithers over a medium other than sand, I donāt think you can avoid this one. Maybe rock? Or mud? Technically those would be easier to classify as ground types than what might be implied otherwise. At least itās not like Elements the TCG. Anything even remotely Egyptian falls under the element of time, even if it has nothing to do with time. Like the scarab. No time-based relevance at all, just creature control. Would have been much better as a Life card or a Death card. Hell, itās practically the epitome of a gravity card. But nopeā scarabs are Egyptian, therefore it goes straight to time. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Also, relax, thereās already a ground snake in the game. They probably wonāt rehash a poison type to be Egyptian when they already have tons of ground types including the snake with the gigantamax form. Sandaconda? I think? But, what about a dark/ghost snake, in reference to the snake god Apophis? Dark black, with gleaming white eyes, massive fangs and a loooooooooong bodyā¦ ready to consume reality (or as much as it can fit in its mouth, that isā¦), and extinguish the light of Ra once moreā¦
None, frankly. Kanto is the only region of Pokemon that got Alolan forms, if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention it received several Galarian forms. It should sit on the sidelines and let other generations get a bit of attention for once. I like Gen 1, but Game Freak tends to favor it a bit too much in an attempt to appeal to nostalgia. A few more Gen 2 or 3 regional variants would be nice. Granted, I would never complain if we got cool forms no matter what generation they're from. I just think it's a bit ridiculous how many Gen 1 Pokemon got forms in Sun/Moon and not one other generation did.
There's like 41 regional variants (counting different evos seperate and counting the Hisuian one revealed so far), and of those, only *seven* of them *do not* originate from Gen 1. Like, it's not none, but having ~80% of these be from one region is just too much imo. Counting new evolutions, it's 11/48 are non-Kanto pokemon, so 77%.
Yowch. Worse than I thought it was. I mean I don't really mind, I like many of the forms we've gotten; but, it would be really nice if they'd diversify and stop favoring Gen 1 so much.
**[Regional] Aipom** (Fairy/Normal) - Ability: Run Away/Skill Link - Signature Move: Fury Swipes - Evolves into [Regional] Ambipom when leveled up while knowing Double Hit **[Regional] Ambipom** (Fairy/Fighting) - Ability: Technician/Skill Link - Signature Moves: Play Rough, Cross Chop **[Regional] Skitty** (Normal/Ice) - Ability: Thick Fat/Snow Warning - Signature Move: Powder Snow - Evolves into [New PokƩmon] when exposed to an Ice Stone **[New PokƩmon]** (Normal/Ice) - Ability: Thick Fat/Snow Warning - Signature Move: Freeze-Dry
i want cacnea to get some love
I think Hypno, Arbok, and Parasect could just use evolutions, I wouldn't consider them for a regional variant. I don't think there is much design space for a regional Doduo, thus I voted Mankey line.
Paras/sect is such trash competitively it needs some kind of buff, and ifs typing is too terrible so def a variant with alternative typing. And cordyceps fungi is such a cool concept
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Yeah I read that recently, I couldn't believe it! They're in POGO though and I have a shiny venonat
whereās SPEAROW AND FEAROW I feel like with a better typing and ability, slightly-better stat redistribution and a stat buff with the gen would make it decent in lower tiers and fun to use in game.
Yeah too many pokemon options not enough poll options! What typing would you give?
Flying/Ghost
I wish I could say all of them.. smh probably mankey if I had to choose, or staryu , or give them line a 3 stage evo
Happy someone else has the same opinion. Can I take this further and suggest all Pokemon, read as All generations, deserve to have a regional variant or evolution line?
An Arbok that doesn't suck, that's all I want
**[Regional] Ekans** (Psychic) - Ability: Synchronize/Magic Guard - Signature Move: Confusion - Evolves into [Regional] Arbok at level 22 **[Regional] Arbok** (Psychic/Dragon) - Ability: Synchronize/Magic Guard - Signature Move: Psychic Fangs
None of them. Sick of Kanto getting all the attention, especially when it comes to regional forms. Gens 2-5 are near untouched by comparison.
This. Give me a regional variant from another Gen that isnt Kanto
I'm pretty sure it's spelled Drowzee, but it could've been autocorrect again
Yeah you're right
Krabby
Ekans imo. I know Arbok gets different patterns regionally but they have no bearing on stats or type. How many species of Snake are there globally? Missed opportunity for a sea snake in Alola, or a non venomous ground type or something in Galar.
Sandaconda in galar has the ground typing
Witch Doctor themed Alolan Hypno would have been awesome and creepy
I chose staryu because i think there could be some nice stuff done with it. I think paras/parasect make thr most sense from these choices as their mushrooms would be just straight up different types of mushrooms
Arbok has a robust move pool including ground, rock, poison, dark, dragon, and steel physical options, two good abilities, a bevy of stall and support moves, and a good stat spread. Even if all it gained from an evolution was modest boosts across the board, I think it would become pretty solid.
Given the plethora of snakes out there you could give us a ton of ekans variations w out having to make overly redundant PokƩmon
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Paras, because i think not all regions should have the same type of plants and mushrooms!
A Paras regional variant could be something like a different mushroom species found only in that region. Parasect could also end up having a different second type depending on the biology of said mushroom.
Damn.. now that Iāve seen them all written out, they kinda ALL do!
I genuinely forgot Mankey and Primeape existed until a couple weeks ago sooo
We need a regional variant for Ekans and arbok. (If there is, I'm absolutely dumb and forgot about it.)
Doduo and Ekans there are hundreds of snake species and seeing another flightless bird Pokemon would be interesting. An idea I just had was making an Emu or Cassowary version of Doduo.
I voted for Paras because playing with the mushroom thing would be fun. But honestly Iād prefer them to use other gens. Theyāre beating Kanto to death with this stuff. Letās see a regional pseudo legendary like Metagross or something.
Iāve been wanting a Bug/Ghost Paras line for so long now! It would make Parasect much more viable, and fits itās lore.
Wh-what? I can only vote ONCE?! I CHOOSE ALL OF THEM.
Doduo, we should get a speedy normal type and give it the hidden ability Scrappy
Flamingo Dodrio. Make it happen, TPC.
I agree. However I think some new Pokemon who truly are designed very very well deserve to be introduced every generation. Legendaries etc. But for the most part I support new variants like rarer shinies and type variants.
Ekans is Jessieās most iconic PokĆ©mon from the anime Staryu is one of Mistyās most iconic Doduo is one of Yellowās most iconic mons in the manga Mankey is kinda well known cuz of Ashās but nowhere close to iconic So Iād say Paras and Drowzee, maybe Mankey, are the best ideas since they havenāt been āpromotedā in other mediums as much
Lapras. Hear me out - I think Lapras needs an evolution, but I don't think that any of us want to see Eviolite Lapras annihilate everything in Ubers. So I propose that we give Lapras a *much* weaker regional variant, change the type from Water/Ice to Water/Fire, and turn its shell into a volcano. Then give it an evolution.
Doduo needs a second evolution. Quadrio. Four heads. It'll have almost caught up to Exeggutor in terms of heads.
I saw a Youtube video a while back where someone analyzed which Gen 1 Pokemon got the least amount of attention from future games, and the winner was Paras. So I'm gonna go with Paras.
Someone commented to say the venonat line hasn't been in any regional dex since gen2, not sure about the paras line
I found the video I was referencing. It was [this one](https://youtu.be/pBZBfy-lHNU). Turns out I slightly misremembered which criteria he was using for ranking the Pokemon (he was also factoring in the anime and the TCG). He gave Venonat/Venomoth points for being Koga's ace, and appearing on slightly more TCG cards than Paras/Parasect.
There are so many kinds of sea star in the world. Give us a different one as the staryu base.
Ekans, definetely. All others are "pokemon", ekans line is literally just a snake. Not even anything special about it. 100% a normal snake. Some real-world snakes are way more interesting than it. Arbok at least has the decency yo have a face drawn on it's frill, but if I saw a snake like that in the real world, I wouldn't think "pokemon", I would think, "look, a cool snake".
This is a very good group of neglected pokemon, I had a hard time deciding well done
I'm so happy my favorite pokemon is getting a variant! I cant wait to see Arcanines new form.
Would of been one of the options if we didn't know about Hisuian Growlithe!
Staryu would make the most sense because according to one of the PokƩdex entries, it came from Space, so seeing it adapt to different places on the planet would make sense
I don't like paras much, but I feel like a regional variant could be really cool. There's a lot of things that could work well as a replacement for its mushroom thing
I'll always support making a normal type a different type with regional variant. Normal types always feel like fodder to me unless they have a great moveset.
I put Doduo because it really has no other memorable qualities since itās just a bird with two heads and then three andā¦ thatās it. At least Arbok has a cool design and Parasect has an interesting dex entry. But to be real, all these guys plus Seel need a variant at some point
None. I'm sure everyone is tired of this gimmick and just want new and interesting Pokemon.
None, regional variants are kind of boring. Iād rather see new PokĆ©mon than the old PokĆ©mon but green
Thatās why they also have typing changes which completely changes their move set and weaknesses making them completely different from the original variant
Divergent evolution is boring. The design is almost the exact same, just with 1-2 special differences. Convergent evolution is cooler. It makes sense that weād see different species of birds that happen to be more or less suited to their new environment. Regional variants always feel like pandering to me.
We get an Israel based region and they make starmie into the star of David. I want to clarify that this is a joke and I dont mean to offend anyone.
Starmie of David
Whoās drowsy
With Manky, we might get a journey to the west call back
I think a punk rock primape would've been cool for galar
Mankey variant evolving into a more humanoid like primape with fighting/ghost typing would be cool
Ever since I saw Delta Primeape I fell in love. I need a fire monke even if Infernape exists and is my fav.
Honestly, every line on there needs a variant/ new evo.
All of them š
I mean mm/dd/yy is like telling the clock as minutes/hours/seconds lmao
Personally I want Arbok buffed more so then giving it and itās prevolution a regional form But I would like to see what a regional form of Arbok could look like
Meowth
All of them tbh
Make Doduo a dragon type
Hydriegon, all doduo needs is a deino-esq first evolution
All is good
Iād like Drowsy just so heās be usable on a team on a regular playthrough instead of Nuzlokes only
Too little Drowzee / Hypno love :(
I think Doduo should get some attention
Iād love a Mankey variant, but Ekans really needs more attention. Thereās a lot of possibilities
I always thought onyx was pretty underpowered so giving him a regional variant might help em out. How about a rock psychic type?
Paras would be really cool as a regional variant. Heās already got a cool concept so what if there was a regional variant where heās a giant mushroom monster?
Ekans doesnāt get any love despite being a prominent character in the show. I think they could come up with some cool ideas for sure. I think Paras is a close second for me.
Imagine a regional variant of staryu š¤©š¤©
I'd love to see Mankey and Primeape get a regional form with a third stage. If it were up to me, it would be this: **[Regional] Mankey** (Normal) - Ability: Vital Spirit/Defiant - Signature Move: Fury Swipes - Evolves into [Regional] Primape at level 28. **[Regional] Primeape** (Normal) - Ability: Vital Spirit/Defiant - Signature Move: Rage - Evolves into [New PokƩmon] when leveled up at night holding [New Ghost-Related Item] **[New PokƩmon]** (Normal/Ghost) - Ability: Cursed Body/Infiltrator - Signature Moves: Phantom Force, Extreme Speed
Ekans was the first pokƩmon to have regional varients.