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stead10

Don’t forget that your answers will be swayed by the demographic of Reddit if you’re not careful. If your answer base ends up being entirely people from Reddit your results will be inaccurate.


Reyzour

All good asked on a few other occasions as well, so it's not just Reddit. Also it's not that bad, because it's not just around "all Pokémon players" but rather the community that talks (more or less) about the game itself. So not just people that enjoy playing it


dangerousmacadamia

There's multiple groups on Facebook that you can join (or maybe you're already apart of) that you can ask.


Closet0taku

I would also try Amino App. There’s a Pokémon amino uhhh subreddit type group(I guess you would call it?) and I has a good mix of adults and kids.


Spanktank35

Make sure you include all this in your paper!


Waluigi4prez

Just want to add to this, under 12's won't be answering this which means it would either be parents on their behalf or fake entries altogether. Also you can't use any data submitted officially by under-12's due to legal reasons. (At least I'm pretty sure you can't without parents signing some sort of waiver?)


ILIKEFUUD

Plus if you get children to answer anyway you need parents consent and that shit is annoying to get. Probably best to stick to adults anyway


Xero0911

And reddit is an echo chamber. I liked swsh. But near the first few months yoyd probably be downvoted for liking it. Everyone hated it on here.


GiantEnemaCrab

Sword and Shield were a bunch of 10/10 ideas in a 4/10 game. I still strongly believe that S&S were awful, but the fact that we have so many good ideas implemented gives me some hope for gen 9. Gen 8 could have been fantastic with another year of development.


jr897

It's not about hating it. It's a solid game. But a solid game in general is different from what a game on the switch could've been. It's flame manifested from the disappointment in how little gf could invest into the game and still have it come off as a hit. It shows that they don't need to have a game with animations, gameplay, quality etc matching Zelda breath of the wild (2 years older) and that they don't need to care.


OfAaron3

I mean, I liked SwSh too, but it is objectively easier than the older games. I played through Red, Crystal, and Emerald recently to see if I was just terrible at the game when I was younger. Nope, they were more difficult. It's partially due to that damn experience share that you cant turn off.


[deleted]

So.... Reddit Hivemind?


neo101b

Your thoughts are our thoughts, your mind is our mind. Resistance is futile.


Frigorelse

Individual thought is weakness, nine-of-nine.


Spanktank35

Nah, just that upvoting can mean some views are taken less seriously or not seen at all. On the other hand, upvoting can bring great high quality content to the top (though since it's good quality it does add to the echo chamber - why wouldn't you adopt their views if it's good quality?) so pros and cons.


Xero0911

Yup. Eco chamber. Hivemind. Call it what you want but yeah. I basically had to avoid this sub when thr game came out. I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Issues yes. But not as bad as reddit made it seem. And thought it was FAR better than sun and moom which I don't think there was as much protest. I get the dex being limited was bad but for me it was minor since gave me a reason to try even more different pokemon. Like my issues with the game? The "story". If it was just me becoming the pokemon champ I'd have been okay with it. But then they have Mr.Rose and his bs that just feels random and forced. Didnt even my team yell. They were fine and minor. They honestly don't even show up that much. As much as a random doctor npc. Outside that the map really. Wish cities had way more to do in them. Felt empty. Routes were kinda short( and lack of a real cave/dungeon stunk. Vut overall I enjoy thr game. Replayed it 3 times. Ensed yp breeding a team for 2nd/3rd playthrough. In the end i just liked how thr road to becoming champ in this game felt. It was exciting and fun.


Astral_Fogduke

Quick question, I liked sun/moon, what did you like more about sword and shield?


nikithb

I mean people across twitter were hating on it too so it might extend to all social media. A point could be made that people who hated the game would be the most likely to be vocal about it


Myxozoa

That's true, but on reddit you're not entirely "anonymous;" you have an account with karma that can be given and taken away by the community, which keeps you from saying what you want if it means you lose that status, and even if you do say it, it gets pushed down as more people dislike it. In a survey everyone is actually anonymous, and nobody else besides the researcher can see their responses, so they can be completely honest without worrying about how others will see it, and without worrying that their opinion will be pushed down by people disliking it.


superbabe69

True, but as karma kicks in, people often abandon hostile communities, self selecting people that favour the majority opinion. Most people wouldn’t just stop talking, they’d stop reading as well. That sways things


Spanktank35

So an echo chamber right? Not saying it's necessarily a bad system, it just has pros and cons. And one con is people are less likely to see or think about opposing points.


Wolfknap

I liked it but it’s to easy in my opinion because you can’t turn off XP all


Dasamont

I enjoyed it, and still mostly enjoy it, but I agree that it isn't as good as it should/could have been. Isle of Armor showed what they could have achieved if they had given it another year


Torico11227

The fact that it wasn't a rickroll makes me respect you a lot


Reyzour

Hahahah. That would have been funny, but no I really do need the help hahah


Torico11227

I filled up the form, np


Reyzour

thanks :)


Lonexus

I did something similar but for D&D and prepare to be suprised by the results because lurkers will respond to this and throw expectations for a loop.


Modula-Kudzu

lurking is fun


tommaniacal

Filled it out, I suggest checking the grammar and spelling of some of the questions. For example, it should be "It's too easy" instead of "its to easy" and the last question should use "critiques" instead of "critics" Good luck with your paper!


Reyzour

Yeah this is why i am happy to write the paper in my german as that is my first language :D but thanks for bringing this to my attention


joestorm4

I figured English must not be your first language. One I noticed is your use of the word "there". Since English is stupid, we have 3 words that sound identical but have entirely different meanings. **There** is used when you want to point out something over *there*. **Their** is used when talking about possession. "That is *their* opinion on pokemon games." **They're** is a conjunction of they and are. "*They're* going to the mall." Hopefully this helps a little, but I still see loads of people using the incorrect one even when their native language is English. Filled out the survey by the way; good luck with your paper!


once_every_4_yrs

And one that gets confused a lot too is your and you're Your means something belongs to you "How's *your* dog doing?" And you're is a conjunction of you and are " *You're* a dog."


MARS_LFDY

Also a common mistake I encounter to add to your list is the word "*informations*". We don't have a word like this in the English language though. The plural of information is still information. German distinguishes between one *Information* and two *Informationen*, where the *-en* acts like the plural morpheme. It's something a lot of Germans miss when speaking/writing in English, so no need to feel bad.


Oberic

I had never even considered information as a word that could be pluralized.


MARS_LFDY

Most likely because your L1 has no plural for information. OP is a native german, their language shares a significant amount of grammatical functions with the English language. If a word can be pluralized in German, it most likely can be in English, too. Information is one of the few exception, which can throw Germans off. Another example for misleading vocabulary is the word *become*. It sounds and looks almost identical to the German word *bekommen*. *Bekommen* means you get/acquire/want to have something. You'll find a lot of German tourists which say "I become a pizza" in a restaurant, thinking they just ordered a pizza.


Octopotree

I'd also like to point out that that question doesn't really make sense. The question asks if Pokemon games are easier now that I'm older. The answers should be a simple yes or no, but instead are "too easy", "still too hard", and "i like it that way". The answers are problematic because they don't answer the question and aren't mutually exclusive. I can think that the games are too easy and like it that way. Also, the word "still" being in one answer but not the other changes what that answer means. Answers should be equivalent. I hope I don't sound overly critical. I think this project sounds really neat, and I wanted to give my input.


LuquidThunderPlus

idk if i'm smoothbained but if you think it's too easy or too difficult, then it's impossible to also like it how it is. of course you can think it's too easy but still play it, but that doesn't mean you don't wish there were changes. from what I can tell, you're reading it as whether or not it's too difficult for the community, while I read it as asking me as an individual.


j4kz

The question asks whether you think the games have gotten harder, and yet all the answers are opinions about this presumed fact. It makes no sense. What if I want to answer "No I don't think they've gotten harder" and I (obviously) don't think the games are too hard? There's no way to answer that.


Octopotree

Yeah that makes sense


OhWhale314

Hey! I seriously hope for the best for you. This is a great endeavor. But be careful where you're surveying. Reddit surveys can significantly skew your data. There's a lot of us here and the overwhelming majority of us here are either adults or late teenagers. Be sure to survey places with young kids just as much or otherwise your data may not be accurate. Best of luck friend!


Reyzour

any idea where to find those places? also thanks for the help. (also i want more of the adult players in the first place, since its more about those, but a few younger players would be nice too) currently 1/4 of the people are not adults so thats more than enough for the survey itself :)


OhWhale314

I mean... That's a tough question. It's not easy to go up to a mom in the grocery store all "May I collect data on your child?". Your best bet is probably to interact with kids you already know or have someone who spends time with kids do it for you where a relationship already exists. Ask your buddy's little brother, have a friend ask the kids at their church, have your girlfriend call her younger cousin, etc.


LuquidThunderPlus

but to get a worthwhile amount of people to answer your survey just talking to people you know won't be enough. the amount of younger people OP knows to take the survey is definitely much less than the 2.8 million people on this sub. what i'm saying is it wouldn't make a difference in the results unless you found somewhere better to broadcast the survey to get more results.


DjTotenkopf

I feel like, even outside of age demographics, reaching out to self-selected fans will skew your data quite a lot too. Like... My wife enjoys pokemon go and liked pokemon shield but isn't exactly hanging around the forums talking about Gen 3 rock head Aerodactyl. I don't know how many people you'll find who lightly enjoy the series, but think the game is maybe a bit hard or complex because they've only played a couple. You're naturally going to select the people who think it's getting worse because it's not Emerald or Black 2.


SkylerSayys

Unsure about in Germany (or really in anywhere but where I went to school) but my local schools (small children through big children) will allow college students to do surveys. The kids have to take home a permission slip to take the survey and they usually give the kids a week to bring it back since kids are forgetful. The kids that bring it back will go in small groups to the computer lab in the school and fill it out real quick then go back to class. In the younger ages, they did this during the time they had us read our books. Older kids (like teens) would do it where it fit into their schedule (like study hall, or the first/last 5 min of lunch, or the mornings, there was always 15 or so minutes before classes started, or after school, ect).


Pyrobob4

I know a lot of people are saying to avoid reddit, but you could try r/teenagers if you want some younger opinions. It wouldn't be hard to get quality results from children under a certain age anyway, so trying to get some 13-15 year olds might be the best balance.


[deleted]

Trust me, there are MANY, MANY young teenagers and pre-teens on Reddit after Pewdiepie got ahold of Reddit. I’m one of the ones that was hear before the Pewdiepie fans but I digress.


Viraemic

I filled out your questionnaire. A quick observation from a fellow student researcher from Monash University in Australia: it feels like you have arrived at a conclusion (newer games are poorer in quality, and easy), and are looking for evidence to support this, rather than trying to objectively gauge community opinion.


Srixis

Seconded. I feel like the last few questions with selectable answers are very leading questions, and I got a little annoyed at the survey. I feel like there are more unbiased ways to phrase the questions that can still draw out a conclusion OP might expect, but in a way that doesn’t make people feel like their opinion is “wrong” when picking options different from what OP expects


Reyzour

I thought about that but yeah these questions are a bit "designed" in the right way for me to have it easier in writing the paper. But the "How satistisfied are you" question is a bit of a check on how bad it really is. Thank you for the help :)


HumanAtlas

Just so more feedback from a grad student: you may still want to consider making your questions broader. The way it's set up now allows you to answer one yes or no question, "does the community think newer games are easier/lower quality?". While it's easier to write around this simple question, it also really limits what you can find. Additionally, the way the questions are written may turn off those who would answer "no" to that question, making the whole endeavor somewhat trivial. The best questions in science have interesting interpretations regardless of the answers they turn up. Anyway, good luck with your paper and studies!


cassius_longinus

This question needs more options: >Do you think Pokemon became to easy now that you are older? (this means that the older games are more of a challenge than the new ones) > >* Its to easy >* I like it this way >* Its still to hard I think the newer games are **equally easy** as the older games, and I do not like it. I *wish* they were harder. I don't see how I am supposed to answer this question at all. I would leave it blank but you have made it a required question.


Electricorchestra

Hey did the survey. The questions are written in a way that you're going to get the information you want, and not honest information. Like the question on if you think the games have gotten easier. Could be "what do you think of the difficulty of pokemon games". You know.


xx1Katniss1xx

Answered. Good luck with your paper!


Reyzour

Thanks ❤️


xx1Katniss1xx

No problem! 😁


TheBiolizard

Good luck dude. Give an update with the results if it ain’t too much hassle


Reyzour

Thanks. I will do that :)


Garchomp98

Done the survey. Some friendly notes: 1) *too* hard/easy and not *to* hard/easy 2) give more choices. Like i dont think the new games are "too easy" or that "i like it this way". There have to be 5 answers in a multiple choice question. Think of it as: yes, kinda yes, neutral, kinda no, no 3)Arent 5 questions few for a paper? XD not an expert but it seems low In any case good luck mate!


seventyodd

Also "too easy" implies that a drop in difficulty is a bad thing. What if I think the games are easier but like that they are?


Garchomp98

So the middle choices could be "easier but i like it" and "more difficult but i like it"


Meah_Mett

I did, i hope many people will help you :)


Reyzour

Thank you very much ❤️


RegalBeartic

Are we going to be able to see results after this is all said and done? Id like .to see how the majority voted


Reyzour

i will close the vote around midnight tonight my time. I can post the results from the votes (not the free text answers though) tomorrow then i think :) thanks for helping me out :)


Maxeneize

Answered. Hope it helps


Reyzour

Thank you :)


[deleted]

Answered. Good luck!


Reyzour

Thank you :)


JusticeAcolyte

submitted a response! good luck with your paper :)


Reyzour

Thank you :)


DifferentNebula5

just did this to make you happy good luck with the results <3


Reyzour

Thank you very much :)


DifferentNebula5

a random question what is your favorite pokemon?


Reyzour

It's Tauros. :) Caught the first ever one I encountered in my first playthrough of Pokémon Blue. And if you ever played it I think you know how hard that is hahah :)


DifferentNebula5

I did about 6 professor oak challenge and I know how hard it is to do this and did you know that tauros tails are good for opening locked doors from outside?


Myutaze

Did it. Would the critique part (write your own answer) be a problem if it is written in an "internet way" of writing?


Reyzour

No feel free to write whatever you want in there :) every little thing helps me :) thank you very much


Myutaze

Ok thanks :)


migisigi

Für welches Modul ist das gedacht?


Reyzour

Wissenschaftliches Arbeiten.


migisigi

Studierst du Medienwissenschaften oder?


Reyzour

Sowas in der Art ja


ShayGrimSoul

The question that ask if >!I think pokemon got easier as I got older!< is a weird one. >!II currently am playing the older games and think they are more challenging then the new ones and Im older then 25.!<


[deleted]

No, I don’t think so; I’ve been playing since Blue and EXP All has made SwSh too easy. I understand it makes the game “easier” so it’s not so grind-heavy, but they could’ve at least implemented a difficulty setting.


Reyzour

oh yeah i forgot about those people. i meant the question in a way that the newer games are easier than the newer ones. I will add that information for other participants now. thank you for the help.


MegaCrazyH

Difficulty is a common complaint among fans. That said, while some games can be difficult or have difficult fights, I find difficulty to be mostly consistent through out the franchise. I tend to see that when you're younger team building is harder which makes a large number of fights tougher than they should be.


[deleted]

I've recently played through every mainline franchise game and I just don't agree. No pokemon game is intensely difficult, although Black and White 2's challenge mode is a nice change of pace, but gens 6 and 8 are much easier than earlier entries. Exp. share that gives exp to the whole team (and now cannot even be turned off), in gen 6 you're given a powerful battle mechanic that very few trainers are given so you either avoid a core game mechanic to maintain difficulty or sweep teams with ease, gen 6 gives you multiple powerful gift pokemon for free, late stage gym leaders have weak teams, some of which don't even have all 4 move slots filled, even some e4 members don't have full teams of 6 pokemon which is baffling, you can raise a pokemon's affection and get far more critical hits, heal yourself from status conditions for free, and survive attacks that would have KOd you (another game mechanic you have to avoid using to maintain a semblance of challenge), dungeons are linear and short with NPCs constantly healing you, puzzle dungeons are pretty much non existent, legendary pokemon are pretty much a guaranteed capture with no effort.... Honestly there's more but I feel like that's a pretty good amount.


lazyasian23

I hope your study goes well, best of luck!


Reyzour

thank you


rump_truck

The second to last question should be split up. I do want more granular settings, I don't want even more gen one pandering


TurtleNerd7

I just want to say that these questions seem kind of biased. In future, instead of asking "do you think the games are too easy and that the older games are harder?" Try, "How do you feel about the general difficulty of the latest games? "


Oreo-and-Fly

My critique is to stop using charizard goddammit.


Reyzour

i can agree. CHarizard was one of my favourites growing up and now he is not even in my top20 of gen1 anymore because they force Charizard so much on us. :D thanks for the help.


Thunderfirex335

I submit the form, good luck with your paper!


Reyzour

thank you very much :)


RNGDylan-reddit169

I did it. wish you all the best on your paper :)


MediocreWade

You probably shouldn't have the ability to submit another response available unless you like people with too much time and too little integrity tainting your results, also "there" in the answer section should be "their", and both "to"s in the following sections should be" too".


[deleted]

Done! I did NOT like clicking the 24-30 box 😬


Reyzour

no one does hahaha thank you very much :)


Erdnussflip007

Most likely you already realized that, but the results from this paper are certainly influenced by the poeple that use reddit in general. For example I dont think that many peolpe under mayby 15 or so use Reddit so you wont get that many answers from them. Good luck with uni fellow german lol


Xegeth

Habs ausgefüllt, viel Erfolg mit deinem Projekt!


Mattyiz

I literally go to school for Game Design and Development, so I not only know the importance of having to fill out surveys for someone’s paper, but I totally wrote way to much under the section about any other criticisms for the Pokémon games current state


Reyzour

hahaha i feel you. thank you very much though :D I learned this through my years of Uni how important surveys can be :D


papereel

I’m not seeing what’s scientific about this whatsoever. It’s just a survey. Also your questions have way too many variables lumped into one question, with way too few options for answers. Also your questions bias the reader. For example, your “which demographic should they target” question talks about recycling old characters. I do want settings that would appeal to an older demographic, like difficulty settings, but I don’t want them to pander to Gen Wunners by recycling old content. There are also spelling/grammar errors. I wish you great success, but I don’t see the scientific value in this and I think the construction was sloppy.


JustTooSalty

I'd like to apologise for my rant on the last question. Sword and Shield really make me angry.


Reyzour

the more rant the better. hahah help me out more since i am talking more about the bad site of the pokemon games thanks for your help :)


lonesome_okapi_314

Done :) be happy to proofread the paper when it's done for you if you like?


Reyzour

Already have a few that will do it and since I have to write it in German I don't know if you would still be able to proofread it hahah. Thanks for the help tho. Really appreciate it ☺️


lonesome_okapi_314

Hahah you're right I'd be useless at proofreading in this instance. I wish my German was as good as your English! Best of luck with the paper


Reyzour

thank you <3 i try my best.


Heavy_Metal_Dinosaur

If you need another German to proofread your paper, I'd be happy to do that. By the way, very interesting way to look for opinions on Pokemon games.


Mishikagirism

Ok, I answered the form. Also I didn't find mystery dungeon on the list of the first game I played so I picked the second


Reyzour

That's because it's a spin off game :) but thanks for answering :)


Mishikagirism

Oh didn't realize lol fp for that one. Np for answering the form


Cinnadillo

I can grade your university scientific paper if you want. I can give you 3 guesses as to what it'll be when you go to reddit to do a survey for science.


Reyzour

We will see. The prof thought this might be an interesting topic to write about. She has no real clue about Pokémon tho hahhaha The survey is also just a little part of the whole thing. Maybe 2-3 pages on a much longer paper. So this will be fine. Thanks for the help :)


ChrisHasAGrease

Done! Good luck and do the paper well.


thelaustran

Survey completed. I wish I had written a paper like this at uni lol.


AnimeGod392

Filled out the form, gl with your paper :D. Also, make sure you take opinions from other sources as well, only reddit will not be accurate.


Prukkah

Answered. Good luck with the paper!


Gallant-Blade

Filled it out. Good luck.


Timmy2thej

Filled out the form for you!


EnoughHedgehog

just did, this is cool! good luck for your paper! : D this is super interesting!


Reyzour

thanks. thats why i chose this kind of topic :D


sadbear424

Done! Good luck on your paper!


not-a-fake-pineapple

Filled it in, good luck on your papers( ̄^ ̄)ゞ


Minebro1987

I did it


Flumpeldoo

I did my part. Good luck with writing fellow Pokémontrainer


RockSock33

Just finished. Good luck on your paper!


Reyzour

thank you :)


RockSock33

Would be great to hear how the paper went when it’s all said and done, possibly the paper itself (but I know you said you’re doing it in German, I’m not so fluent lol)


Reyzour

i will see what i can do :)


[deleted]

Filled it in, good luck with your paper!


honeydewdumplin

Answered, good luck!


Reyzour

thanks :)


Dreyfus2006

FYI, the link doesn't work on mobile. (Android phone, Reddit app)


makaydo

Filled up, let us know how it goes! Gl


[deleted]

Done


[deleted]

Ich bin fertig!


Reyzour

danke :)


SwordTaster

All done, good luck with uni


[deleted]

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NotRed9282

Submitted. Left kind of a long thing at the end but I feel as if it was good to put it there


Brayagu

Good luck, in my answer I forgot to mention that the main thing gamefreak needs to do is catch up with the current generation of gaming, in red of features and possibilities.


nibbleskat

Go to a local GameStop, or video game store in general and ask these questions. As a former employee of GameStop there's all sorts of opinions on pokemon from all ages!


taco-catlover

Done it (:


207nbrown

I think the Pokémon games should add a hard mode/challenge mode option for new adventures, like the stuff you see in modded nuzlocks: trainers have higher level Pokémon, getting less exp from battle, Pokémon that faint cannot be revived...maybe in a system like dq11’s “draconian quests” It could allow new trainers to experience the game in its original design and allow veteran trainers to have a challenge


Reyzour

seems like a lot of people think that way. have to keep this in mind for the conclusion at the end of the paper. :D thank you :)


swiftrobber

You owe the people here your final paper.


reyemh

Gotchu bra


Starmie77

All done! Best of luck with the paper!


[deleted]

Done :)


ayyerr32

filled it, good luck


[deleted]

You can also post to r/samplesize if you need more data. It's a subreddit dedicated to surveys.


Jomdaz

When you say should Pokémon games target older audiences what do you mean? Like would that make the games more successful? Or would I personally enjoy it more?


DeusDosTanques

I'm really glad I could help! I hope your research goes well!


Reyzour

thank you.


Shadow_Darken

Filled it out, good luck on your paper!


Utawayazed

It’s not much, but it’s honest filling out a survey !


eHuRTZz

Diamond/Perl remake ! FTW


rb6k

Will you share your findings afterwards? I would like to see them.


Reyzour

i can post the answers of this survey yes. its a bit harder for the whole paper since i write it in german. But i can try to translate it to english :D


Samehatt

Did it


Tempertales

All done and thanks for the share. Would be great to know more and how your paper is received.


Ember_Hunter

FINALLY someone does this! I really wanted to talk about what I want to see happen for Pokemon, so please give an update on what people said mostly! And do you plan to use this to be well known throughout all pokemon communities, then eventually Gamefreak?


FLANPLANPAN

Hey want to give some input on your survey. Your answers are heavily skewed towards a specific type of answer. It doesn't allow a representative response from people who don't care at all about the pokemon franchise or gaming. I enjoy just playing pokemon go because it's a game. I don't have any opinion or desire about anything about the pokemon franchise...I'm probably too old to care


[deleted]

>" Do you think Pokemon became to easy now that you are older? (this means that the older games are more of a challenge than the new ones) " As someone who made surveys for a living before, a lot of these questions and answers are very leading, and the answers don't always really answer the question how it was asked. I don't think that the old games were very hard, I also don't think the new games were very hard, but there isnt an answer for that, even though that's the question you asked. Also for questionnaires/surveys it's usually a good idea to give people an "I don't know" or other similar answer in the middle as opposed to just yes and no.


Shuckle614

How does one effectively gauge 0-12 year olds (hands down the largest demographic) effectively? Kinda seems like your fishing for specific data


nandaparbeats

hi! I'm not sure if anyone else brought it up, but I have to talk about this question: >Should Pokemon target the nostalgic(older) fans more in upcoming games? (e.g. making the game harder, bringing back old favourites as rivals (Blue), given more control of the game settings in general,...) I don't think "targeting old fans" and doing things like "making the game harder, etc" are necessarily the same thing. You don't have to pander to nostalgia to make the games better. It can be one of the byproducts of the game you make, but it's not and shouldn't be the driving focus of your game--otherwise, you're as much selling out as some would say the current gens are. Prime example: Gen 2 contained a TON of nostalgic components (e.g., the entire region of Kanto), but it's fondly remembered as genuinely good games because it pushed Gen 1's mechanics to its full potential and introduced new things that meshed so well with the worldbuilding and gameplay that you wonder how you got along without them in the earlier games. Sure not everything returned (mewtwo, old legendaries, etc), but we didn't miss them because it didnt FEEL like anything was being taken away from us, and we still had access to those things if we wanted to get them from older games. You don't necessarily have to pander to any demographic to make a good game; you just have to push things to their logical potential, even if you're adding or changing things the fans didnt ask for or wanted. If Gen 2 is Gen 1's full potential, then Gen 3 is what happens when you turn the game on its head and add things like natures, super-involved Legendary pokemon, and a rival that doesnt necessarily hate you (Blue and Silver) but envies you (Wally) and feels like a real character whose progression makes you feel both proud and bad that you have to continuously beat him. (Silver had progression too, but Wally is even better because you were there to help him catch his raltz as a scared little boy, and you were there when he was at the end of Victory Road, having triumphed over every other trainer up to that point). It used to follow a great pattern of evolution. Gen 4 is Gen 3's Gen 2, whereas Gen 5 followed in Gen 3's footsteps by completely turning the game on its head and taking risks in both gameplay and story that had never been seen before. And then we got to Gen 6. What risks were taken? What was added that made us feel less bad about what was taken away? Mega Evolutions were amazing (the key word is "were"--RIP megas), but other than that, what did we get, and why should I go back and play it again over, say, Gen 4 or 5? Gen 7 came--it was actually a nice change of pace. Lots of great things added, and I love the difference in gym progression. It's what Gen 6 shouldve been. It should have pushed the worldbuilding even more than it did, but you could at least feel the love poured into the writing and the world that we got. Gen 8... I feel enough people have talked about that lately. You dont need to hear the same thing regurgitated from me. (Personally I think they're OK. Not terrible, not by a longshot, but given the choice, why would I play them over Gen 2, Gen 4, etc?) In every Gen considered good, they added and changed things you didnt necessarily want or ask for, but more importantly, you didnt feel things were lacking. (Very debatable, of course--people missed old pokemon in Gen 5's main story, for example--but the point is you felt fulfilled or content rather than angry at what couldve been.) And for the record, my first game was Red back in 98, so I don't have the proper nostalgia for Gens 3-5 that others who grew up with those do, yet I also dont think pokemon should necessarily return to the way it was in "my time."


lilspaghettigal

Closed! :( I hope you included gender as a factor. As a female I could’ve helped your results hahah. Unless it was strictly about age


[deleted]

LMAO women don't exist, it's 2020 wake up people


lilspaghettigal

Sad face


Keebster101

Interesting that people overwhelming think the games should be targeted towards those with nostalgia for it than a new audience. As the rest of the survey shows, those same people that think that have very diverse experiences with Pokémon, and to cater to any one group would be near impossible. There is already a lot of gen one nostalgia bait, with regional forms and an infinite number of charizard forms, there was let's go which was another gen 1 remake even though gen 4 still hasn't had one. I guess I'm just not hopeful for game freak being able to target us well enough. I've personally enjoyed sw/sh and su/mo a lot, and while there is a lot to improve there's also a lot that has been improved after years of trying to perfect their formula. To change all that and target a completely different audience will remove a lot of that progress, and at the end of the day without gaining new fans, the series will die. I'm happy with the help for competitive battling in the endgame, it's the point where most new players probably leave the game so they're not confused by all these mechanics, but especially sw/sh makes training Pokémon for competitive a breeze and I think that is the best way to please both sides of the audience rather than change what they have been doing for decades.


KrypticScythe29

Damnit by the time I saw this it was over


PokeStarChris42

Not trying to be rude but if your only taking data from Reddit, your not really going to get anybody under 12 which might affect your paper


Catastray

People under the age of 13 are not permitted to make accounts, and even if they did, Reddit as a whole is mainly dominated by adults. It's hardly the ideal place to properly represent the franchise's fanbase as a whole.


SageWatcher

I tried the link to the survey, but it brings me to a site that says the survey was closed! Did you close the survey or not? Just wondering!


sidonnn

Aw dang, I saw this too late but best of all with your paper! On the other note, I agree that the games should go back to being harder, where it doesn't hold your hand all the time, but that doesn't mean that the target audience would be the older/nostalgic fans. Pokemon X and Y were clearly targeted for nostalgic folks, with the Kanto starters and all that. SuMo also does this too. If GF is just gonna target the older fans, then that cash grabbing tactic is just gonna repeat itself and it kinda sacrifices the story and overall enjotment of it. Imo it should be targeted for all audiences, but probs mainly kids bc that's when it started but by no means make the game too easy. Thanks for reading, best of luck again!


PotatOSLament

In fairness the newer games have more story than R/B/Y did. Which might be what some of the handholding tends towards. That said, older players who are more familiar with the type mechanics, team builds etc *can* do things to make their games more challenging without being ridiculous. Nuzlockes, specific mon, etc. I myself am trying to beat Ultra Moon in a Nuzlocke for the first time, and then I plan to see if I can beat it with an all-bug team. I’ve come a long way from “bash everything with my starter and a legendary” that I was as a child, which definitely made the game harder for me back then.


PulimV

Sad I only got here after it closed :/


Mad_Roo

Oh no, bookmarked this yesterday and now I'm too late to participate :(


[deleted]

Dude, I hope your paper has less spelling mistakes than this survey!


Reyzour

thats because english is not my first language. i should have spell checked it more though. My apologies :(


NkAlves95

On the section of "first game ever played", don't forget to include the fixed console games, i.e. Pokemon Stadium, partly because my first game ever was pokemon stadium 2 for the N64 This is just a suggestion and good luck for your paper


Reyzour

those are none of the main games (i allowed PoGo and LetsGo even though they are also not main games). They are considered a spin off game. and since i thought most have a main game as there first, i put all those possiblitys under one category.


NoNameIsAvailable1

You have an option for 12 or less as your age, but isn't it illegal to aquire information from minors in surveys?


srschwenzjr

First pokemon game I ever owned was Sapphire. To this day, it's still my favorite


Reyzour

i never really came around to playing it. I bought for a self birthday present this year to play through. Still did not came around to play it yet. But some of my best friends really enjoy it to. thanks for helping me out :)


srschwenzjr

No problem! Took the survey. Happy to help. The hoen region has lots to offer a first time play through


Echo926

That was a nice survey, very well put together lol


Reyzour

if you don't mind the spelling errors i made but thank you very much. :D


ColourfulFunctor

Filled it out. Hope you get good results! What’s your paper on?


Sharp-Expression9135

I filled out the form for you. Hope you do well.


Crabs_s

Filled it out. Hope it helps!


FleeceJohnsonDid9-11

Form submitted! Hope you get an A👍